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Forgot to mention, since the issues with TitleBlacklist extension, I have implemented the same rule set into AbuseFilter to curb these spamming accounts. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I am actually tending to favour using Abusefilter for this for a few reasons. It hides the regex pattern from public view, thus making it harder for them to overcome the filter by knowing what we are looking for in the pattern (I am sure you may have noticed them adapting the user names to overcome this blocking recently). It logs all the failed attempts, so we are then able to review them for false positives (we don't really want to be blocking real account creations). Finally, we can customise the disallow message so a human user can understand the reasons for the blocking and try to create an account with another name, instead of getting fed up and leaving. Something a bot would not pick up on. What do you think? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I actually forgot to respond to this, but to sum up. While it does take up AbuseFilter's condition limit (something that can be increased) I am only looking towards it for this particular filtering of user creation, for all other page creations (i.e. spam bot advertising etc.) I agree that TitleBlacklist is the better alternative due to the benefits you mentioned. The reason I am concerned about false positives on user creation, as opposed to general page creation, is because because we don't really want it to be a arduous process to join up to the site, thus potentially losing contributors due to registration frustrations.
You bring up a good point on server load, but from what I am reading ("As soon as the filter fails one of the conditions, it will stop checking the rest of them and move on to the next filter") Abuse filter would be tracking less than TitleBlacklist due to the ordering of the conditions in that filter. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Inter-wiki Links

What do you think to using something like this File:Wiki-skin-interwiki-link-ltr-icon.png for inter-wiki links in a similar fashion as external links? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 14:48, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Done, uploaded #CCC version. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 09:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Person articles

No worries, I dont know if you noticed but I have added two hidden categories temporarily to the {{Credits table}} and {{Employment history table}} templates (Category:Credits table missing data and Category:Employment history table missing data). Just to aid in cleaning these pages up and adding the data from external sources. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 09:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I dont know so much, if you have the right resources you can gain certain information, as I have done here and here. But I defiantly think that the employment history tables shouldn't be a requirement, not used unless you got something substantial to add to it. Personally, I think it nice to know that some of the key players moved from Interplay to Obsidian, both well known and less well known. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia links

First off Porter, nice to see you back safe and sound. Next, I'm not sure if it was you, but since yesterday evening all the links to wikipedia have gained a white 'off-site' image next to the links. If you added it on purpose, I think it looks scruffy, but if not, can you look at reversing it please? Thanks Porter :) -- GOTW User | Talk 20:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Spam accounts

I just noticed that we now have installed mw:Extension:Asirra, so I am thinking of removing/disabling the rules in AbuseFilter and also TitleBlacklist list and see how things go for a few days. I know AbuseFilter is still capturing and stopping these account creations, but I don't know if that is running with or before Asirra. As for TitleBlacklist, well thats kinda in the dark if that is still doing anything with Asirra. I just want to check to see if we actually needs these rules still, and if we can free up just a little bit of server runtime. What do you think? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, just to update you on this. I left logging on for the AbuseFilter rule, to see if they where still trying to create account. It seems they have been, but been failing due to Asirra. So I have now fully disabled AbuseFilter to save some server load, as it looks like neither AbuseFilter nor TitleBlacklist is no longer needed for this spam bot account creation. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 16:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


Well it seems it generates its own thumbnail if you use the align attribute of the extension. But what I am trying to do is create a dynamic width gallery type template for videos. So instead of wasting all that space and stacking them on top of each as is the case on most pages, it would appear in the same fashion as the image gallery. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I was going to use left floated divs for each video. But it looks like my overall idea isn't going to work anyway, so it is kinda redundant. I planned on reducing the player size to fit 3 per line based on the standard page width, but it seems the extension doesn't like being passed escaped pipeline characters for me to be able to do that via a template. So it looks like they would have to be done the old fashion way. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 14:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
For the template, to size the actual player. It doesn't seem to want to work inside the #if statment. I am going to do a bit of playing around to see if I can get it to work. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that was what I was pretty much what I was looking at achieving. Although you have done it a lot better than I could have ever done, very nice indeed. Just needs expanding to say 10 unnamed parameters and few CSS tweaks. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed, you expanded and added services, something I would never have thought to have done. However there is an issue with the template that isn't present in the your sand box. On IE and Chrome the text is displayed to the side of the video, instead of below it. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 16:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Tracked it down, the template is missing width: {{#expr:{{#if:{{{width|}}}|{{{width}}}|300}}+8}}px; User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 16:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep, it is working perfectly know, fine job indeed. I think it is going to be a nice addition =D User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 16:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

May have spoken to soon, doesn't seem to work in ... can you guess which browser.... yup IE. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 16:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I never noticed that before with the gallery gap in IE, but what can you say, it is IE after all. There will be a reason why, just not a logical reason. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Just noticed another issue, if you have 2 videos, one with a caption and one without it doesn't align the video vertically. Example below. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 18:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Lonesome Road - trailer

Infobox quest

I think the current revision is going to work the best, especially for long named achievements like Ain't That a Kick in the Head. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Defiantly #3. I like the dynamic nature it uses to utilise the space, while maintaining a certain format to the display within the line. The other all suffer from wasted space/excess lines depending on the length of the quest name. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Just came across this page, looks like the same addition/fix might be needed for the challenge infobox as well. What do you think to adding it? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


I'm back, fortunately I finally got my computer back. And I bring good news - Curse devs have tested the Wikilogs extension in the dev environment and have okayed it for deployment on the wikis, so it should be live soon. Ausir 23:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikilog is now live on Wasteland Wiki for testing. Can you see if everything works fine? If yes, we can deploy it here as well. Ausir 19:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


What do you think to adding this mock up template to the consumables page, examples can be seen here. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 04:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I have adjusted accordingly, and it is much better now. Thanks for the feedback, just need to refine the coding for it now. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh and while you got a minute, can you have a quick check other the code for the template before I implement it. I think I am all done now, but just wanted it checked to see if I have missed anything obvious. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Problem is, it now has an inherit issue where it can suffer from the following formatting in certain circumstances.

10+4 Attribute 1, +6 Attribute 2, +6 Attribute 3, +6 Attribute 460+8 Attribute 1, +11 Attribute 2, +11 Attribute 3, +11 Attribute 4
20+5 Attribute 1, +7 Attribute 2, +7 Attribute 3, +7 Attribute 470+9 Attribute 1, +12 Attribute 2, +12 Attribute 3, +12 Attribute 4
30+6 Attribute 1, +8 Attribute 2, +8 Attribute 3, +8 Attribute 480+10 Attribute 1, +13 Attribute 2, +13 Attribute 3, +13 Attribute 4
40+7 Attribute 1, +9 Attribute 2, +9 Attribute 3, +9 Attribute 490+11 Attribute 1, +14 Attribute 2, +14 Attribute 3, +14 Attribute 4
50+8 Attribute 1, +10 Attribute 2, +10 Attribute 3, +10 Attribute 4100+12 Attribute 1, +15 Attribute 2, +15 Attribute 3, +15 Attribute 4

This was something I wanted to try to avoid cropping up, hence the reason for picking the layout I did. Is there a solution you can think of that resolves both issues. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

P.S. The 1 px shave from the top corner only accord in FF. In IE it occurred on the bottom corner and Chrome had no issue. If any of that helps.
I do believe I have resolved the issue, seen here, by adding a unused table row at both the top and bottom of the table and formatted so it works for all browser. Do you want to double check and confirm for me. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I tell you it was annoying to resolve. Started to hone it down to a solution a few times, then one of the browser would throw a fit and just go crazy when rending the borders (and not just IE this time). What I find really strange is that, while this fix works, other solutions that should have the same results - like one long colspan or just separate td entries - have a varying range of weird results on one or the other browser out of the main 3. But I am glad it finally worked and I have added it to the template. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Header v3

Yeah, I noticed the change, but didn't realise it wasn't JavaScript powered. As a fall back for JS disabled viewers, I got to say it is damn good indeed and I am a bit surprised at how well it has turned out. As for issues, you guessed it, IE again. There is an issues with the personal tools drop down, it is still showing the bullet points on the drop down menu, other than that I cant see any other issues. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:44, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

IE 9 in compatibility mode, in other words IE9 displaying the page as IE7 document type. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Yep, it was the list within the p-personal div and it is fixed now. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
The hoverintent script seems to be working fine and I much prefer it. The only suggestions I would give is that it needs to be extended to include the toolbox pop-up menu in the floating tool bar.
Additionally, I would probably also add the delay on closing as well as opening, this should help be less fiddly. As the menus don't close so easy if you hoover off the menu by that 1 px, which can become annoying at times, plus it helps to seamlessly transition the drop-down menus if you are scrolling across the top bar. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


I just noticed that the PurgeButton gadget is adding two instances of purge to the floating toolbar. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Achievements and trophies images

I noticed that you uploaded some hi-quality images for Dead Money, as seen here. I was wondering if there was a particular source for these images, as I have been looking to update the images for the later add ons like GRA, but with no success at finding a good source for decent sized images. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 22:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, looks like it is just what I wanted. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Which map?

The map itself is called "Arlington/Wasteland Metro", not "Flooded Metro". The map marker is simply mislabeled.

Its Flooded Metro in game , do you mean the local map?--Ant2242 15:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I will get on it. Any more help you can give is apreciated.--Ant2242 17:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
This just occured to me, what if the interior stations themselves get there own pages and are included onto there exterior map marker locations? I ask this because Mason District South and Flooded metro (Minuteman metro station enterance have the same interior.--Ant2242 00:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
What if the interiors of these locations were transcluded to the other pages?--Ant2242 21:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Table classes

Just to let you know, I have added a new class to the common.css, it is va-table-float-right to float small tables such as used here to the right with 10px left margin. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Very nice indeed, that has been something that has bugged me for sometime now, that there was no kind of colgroup support in MediaWiki. Seems like you got yet another nice and simply fix. I am going to be glad when this is implemented, as there are a few tables that require it, plus some that could do with slimming down as well. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I edited your CSS page by mistake a few time, trying to find an issue with the CSS that was preventing Chrome and FF from rending it (got my tabs mixed up). But I figured it out in the end once I started using the right tab hihi, anyway I applied the correction to your CSS as well, it was missing a * in the col8 selection. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Just one last thing, it does seem more natural to me to have it as va-table-center-col1 instead of va-table-col1-center. I don't know why, I guess I am just used to va-table-full-infobox. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


I dont know if you want to take a look at this topic and give some input on the matter. I have made some changes to {{yes}} and added {{temporary}} in addition (for the FNV character page). Also looking at replacing the {{no}} with a similar solution. As such I have also added some classes to the main .css file (.va-check and .va-check-temp). Personally, I don't like them, but they do have a big impact on page load times for pages with a large amount of check marks i.e. project pages, FNV character page etc. What do you think, any other solutions? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Tried it out, and I am getting between 0.5 to 1.5 second difference between The HTML and CSS. I think that is more than an acceptable variance for the addition of a unified cross browser image, instead of the browser rendered HTML check (which was my biggest dislike) and also tooltips. I was looking into things like CSS image sprites for such a solution, never occurred to me to do something as simple as a background image on a span. Guess sometimes if you look at things in to complex a manor, the simple answers just pass you by. Now I have just got to convert the FO3 character page so its load times are reduced. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I had noticed all the changes made to the template. It defiantly works much better now in those cases. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


Sorry for gloating, but I'm damn satisfied that I've finally, after nearly four years, figured out what kind of patch is located on the Chinese jumpsuit's sleeve. Hah. Tagaziel 20:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


The extension that allowed me to have that small player has gone AWAL again. This time it is the same size, but I can play it and it just links it. See on my page, with the Beethoven piece (so much for waiting for someone to guess it). ;) I guess it was Curse again though? -- GOTW User | Talk 13:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Addendum - It doesn't even link it it seems. -- GOTW User | Talk 13:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll just get rid of them then. Thanks Porter :) -- GOTW User | Talk 17:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Tables and CSS

I have made this change to the common CSS. This is because the first line of text inside a cell isn't wrapped within a <p> element by the MediaWiki software (bug or by design I don't know). But basically what should be the second paragraph, is actually the first paragraph. I have made the change so the styling goes from the first element onwards (which is the second paragraph onwards). Looking at it, there are others you have placed within the same styling that might need some attention as well. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a bit of an issue some unwanted inline CSS styling in pages. Last night Gunny commented on when had we gone to justified text for the The Vault. I, of course told him we had not as we had made no changes in this respect. After a bit of leg work we managed to track the issue down to inline styling injected into the page header, you can see the results here; Media:Screenshot.png and Media:Screenshot2.png. After some more leg work, we found that it only happens on one of his machines while logged in. This kinda sounds to me like A/B testing, except for the fact it doesn't do it on the other machine he has while logged in, are they that specific for testing that it has to be the account and IP? Needless to say we tried all the usual things of hard refreshing and cleaning the cache to no avail.
On another note, today, both me and User:Languorous.Maiar (see my talk page) where experiencing issues with the quotation template. I have applied a fix to .va-quotation-center, by adding display: block; which solves the issue and doesn't seem to have any negative impact on other browsers I have tested. I am just waiting to hear back from Languorous as to whether they use Chrome as I do. Since it may be due to a browser update, that happened this morning for me; which might be bugged. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I checked today and I'm getting justified text on both machines, one using Firefox, one using IE. I must not have logged in last night on the IE machine, or some other silly mistake. Sorry for the confusion.The Gunny 20:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
I had not noticed that, as all the pages I checked on was where the quote was long enough to overlap the infobox. Using display: block; fixes the issues of overlap, but kills the styling. So where do we go from here, as I cant seem to find a fix which doesn't also kill the styling. Do we suffer the bug in favor of the center styling, or suffer the lack of center styling in favor of the bug fix - until Chrome gets there act together and patches the browser? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, I will leave it in your hands since JS might be involved in the solution. Also, since you are updating the template, you might want to know that the quotation template also suffers from the same issue as table cells. As in the first block of text isn't wrapped in the <p>, only with the additional issue that the last block is also not being wrapped. This means the template wont split text blocks until there are at least 3 different text blocks. Just incase you might want to look into that also. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Seems to be working fine for me in all browsers I am able to test. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

(Porter, we are having the same issues with the quotations template over at Nukapedia. As I'm not experienced enough yet to fix this on my own, I would like to ask your permission to import the correction from The Vault with proper accreditation. I would rather see your fixes and learn from them rather than asking Wikia to take care of the issue for us. I understand if you would rather not.The Gunny 18:50, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.The Gunny 14:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for {{Inlinequote}}, I had actually been thinking about that and the different styles used for quotes on character pages (notable quotes section). Not to sure about the renaming of {{Quotation}}. It may be consistent in the naming, but it just doesn't feel natural to me. I will have to think it over a bit more before I decide which side I fall on, as I might just be looking at it through rose tinted glasses from using Quotation for so long. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Starting a Fallout fanon wiki here

In this discussion, we're working on creating a Fallout fanon wiki. GOTW suggested that you would be able to help style and setup the wiki. Would you be able to help with that?

I also have a question about setting up a DPL forum at another wiki, similar to the one here.

Sternkreuz.png Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus dem Sturmkrieg Sector (Contributions) (Edit Count) 18:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'm probably not going to host at Wikkii, since that would cause linking problems, so that leaves here or Sturmkrieg. I think it would go better here since it would fit better as an official Vault website.
I was wondering if you had any advice for creating the same forum layout here (each forum) as the forum for The Vault.
Sternkreuz.png Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus dem Sturmkrieg Sector (Contributions) (Edit Count) 16:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
You have new messages at User talk:Inquisitor Ehrenstein.


Thanks for the heads up, just an FYI - the gallery problem is no longer an issue since the upgrade to 1.18. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 09:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan to me. The only question I have is the embedded blog listings per game in The Vault name space, would they be in chronological order and auto generated by the server? Also, will the embedded listing show the comments, or are you thinking more of solving this with a simply 'click here for me' at the bottom of each listing, taking the user to the blog listing in question? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
To be honest, I have never viewed the polls to actually be news. To me they are just a bit of fun to fluff out a small news post, due to things being slow. So in all honesty, I saw them as pointless from the start. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Just wanted to say thanks for the quotation template fix. They're working dandy. I really appreciate it. The Gunny 22:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


This thing that came with the MediaWiki update, starts with an A... Arista maybe? (the spam blocker), doesn't seem to work as well as the filters you set up from Wikipedia. Could we not rearm them? I know I come across as an idiot at times, so thanks for bearing with me :) -- GOTW User | Talk 13:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see that now. What I did suggets to GA just now on his talk, in short, is having something that blocks nonsense edit summaries, as spambots never produce seemingly legitimate ones. -- GOTW User | Talk 15:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Arraymap infoboxes

Hey, thanks again for the work on the arraymap infoboxes, we're close to finalising the new infobox code. However, I hate to be a bother, but there's just a small task that I'd like your help for.:P

I've sent messages to your message wall on SporeWiki (yes, we use that thing, sadly), so you'll be able to see the problems. Thanks!-- 13:20, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, just one quick thing; of course I know I shouldn't be asking you too much for tech support, but when you removed the "games" part of the supertitle, this sadly broke the supertitle function and I'm not sure how to fix it. Anything you can give me that can? Again, I'm really sorry, you're just the only person I know with knowledge on this template.-- 20:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Expandable content

After a talk with Tag about quotes and the over use of (something I used to solve with the <choose> tag, to keep both sides of the argument happy), we have come up with a new solution and created {{expandable content}}. Thought you may want to take a quick and see if anything needs adding. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

From what I have found with a bit of testing, using just the script we can either have costume labels or a remote toggle, but not both combined at the same time. However, with a bit of CSS you can give the effect of both, plus no need for unique class names. You can see the examples here and of course the CSS is in my CSS page. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 12:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I suppose I could change it to 1.5em just for you =P But on that, a quick question, I take it other elements (i.e. <ol></ol>, <dl></dl> etc.) are all styled to the same? So it would align to those also and just be indent for normal text flow (which is pretty much the desired result I want).
And yes I was trying to style the toggle like normal links, although I didn't go into it to much. I was more interested in getting the mechanics right and just giving the idea of it being a link before going any further. As with the third one, that is what I wanted right from the start, but could not find any kind of details on being able to make costume toggles (as you mentioned, there is a lack of documentation on the subject). So I am glad you pointed me in the right direction =D Now to tweak it and update the template. Also I take it, Common.css is where you would want the CSS for this template to go? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 13:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, now I am at a loss. This might be something really simple I am missing, but how do I make text-decoration underline for :hoover, without being able to add in a anchor element. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 14:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
And that would the very simple thing I am missing. I kept adding an extra 'o' in every attempt (even in the message to you) lol User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 14:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

CSS/Template Help

I know you're busy, but I felt like I'd take a chance and ask you for a little help if you manage to find the time. I've recently tried importing a template over to Nukapedia, and I am currently having issues with it.

Not sure how to fix the problem with my very limited knowledge, and so I was hoping you could help me out here, or maybe even point me in the direction of someone better suited for the task. Thank you for reading and I hope to hear back from you soon. :) SNM Crier 03:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. :) Any specific reason(s) other than a personal disliking? If there is, I just might drop the idea. Ghost mentioned his disliking before as well, but I hadn't asked for specifics. SNM Crier 07:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Oooh, I see now. I can certainly see why that would be a hassle for everyone else. (Especially if it becomes a popular feature.) I appreciate you taking the time out to reply. :) Have a good day/night Porter. SNM Crier 08:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Ugh, that's an annoying one. I was able to successfully transfer my account over to here, only to forget about my password later when I was trying to upload the Strategic Nuclear Moose blogs here. Tried recovering my password, but I never seem to get a new password request in any of my e-mails. Actually, just logged out now to try it again, and I get this message:"There is no e-mail address recorded for user "GarouxBloodline"." Not entirely sure what's going on there. SNM Crier 08:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
That would definitely help me out. Edit count I don't really care about, but I would certainly like to have my name back. :D SNM Crier 08:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. ^^ Err... have you noticed the recent edits? Seems like a group of vandals have slipped past the auto-ban system. SNM Crier 08:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Working perfectly now. Haha, I wonder if that group was an intentional one or not. I find it interesting when I see people who work so hard at vandalizing like that, even probably knowing that it will be removed within seconds. It's kind of disappointing though, looking back at the days where hacking and internet vandalism usually took the form of something clever and artistic. GarouxBloodline 08:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
It's hard to tell, unfortunately. Almost makes me wish I could step in people's shoes at times so I can learn what motivates them to do what they do. Or have one of those perspective guns from Hitchhikers' Guide to the Universe. ;) GarouxBloodline 09:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Combat armor (Fallout)

Thanks for the heads up, was wondering why someone went to the effort of all that when it was kinda pointless. Guess someone was planning on implementing the same kind thing as with the skill book pages. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing it.--Ant2242 21:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


I was just wondering if there is any reason for not using the noscript.css. Was considering using it to prevent the annoying popup effect of hidden elements that happens while waiting for the script to run. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 21:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I have done a bit of testing and found that while some script blockers kick in the Noscript.css and other dont. It is always the case that Noscript.css kicks in with .client-nojs and Noscript.css dosnt load with .client-js. It seems the dynamic element that switches the .client-js/.client-nojs CSS classes also controls the loading of Noscript.css.
So it seems both methods have the same advantages and fall backs. Since that is the case it seems, I think I am with you on keeping it simple and maintaining fewer MediaWiki pages. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:40, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

New message

Hi Porter, could you check the PM I sent you at the community site please? I need your help urgently. Thanks -- GOTW User | Talk 12:05, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't get more secret agent than that. ;) -- GOTW User | Talk 17:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Replied. -- GOTW User | Talk 17:27, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Straight back at-cha. -- GOTW User | Talk 20:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


Just a few things, we had are first comment here, as you can see from the page there are a few issues. Firstly I didn't use the reply, but instead started a new comment. When I corrected it by replying and deleting the first comment, the deleted comments has left the signature part still intact. Is there a sub page I am missing that controls this or needs deleting etc.

Secondly, since it looks like we cant edit the signatures, is there an option to disable pseudonym for anons and just have it post there IP instead.

Also, if you are interested, I have done some formatting to the blogs in my CSS if you want to try it out. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 18:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Finally a concern, it seems anyone can edit any others persons comments. I am thinking of blocking this with AbuseFilter. But wondering if you know of a better way, as this would still display the edit button to those who shouldn't be able to edit it. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 19:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

With the anon pseudonym, that was my first thought. Hide it with CSS and change the MW message about pseudonyms. But after testing, if no name is entered it doesn't post the comment and gives the error message: Provided name is invalid. If there isn't an option in the source files to change/allowing posting without an in-putted pseudonym. The only options I can think of is either: Hide the input field and MW message about pseudonyms with CSS, then change the error message to you must be logged in to add a comment. Effectively blocking anon comments, don't know if that is such a bad thing. But if we went down this route might as well prevent it in the software, if such an option exists. Use CSS .client-js to hide said elements and use JS to automatically input the name as anonymous, which still leaves it open to non-JS clients, so only semi effective. Or just bare with it it, which wouldn't normally be to big an issue, if it wasn't for the fact that signatures are persistent even after comments are deleted, as we could just delete comments with offensive names.
As for the editing side, I can use AbuseFilter to block edits to both namespaces, unless the user is an admin or appeared in the last 10 edit history entries (i.e. the comment/blog creator, unless of course there has been 10 edits by admins). Since I know little about JS and its capability's with MW. I don't know if it would be a better option, so I will leave that down to your judgement.
For the persistent signatures, those can be hidden with CSS. div.wl-comment div.wl-comment-footer:first-child {display: none;} seemed to work for me when testing, but still leaves behind the div.wl-thread container. Which is only an issue if the container is formatted, as I have done in my personal CSS. But the fact is the mess is still left behind and just swept under the carpet, don't know if you got any better ideas since you're more familiar with Wiki logs. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Just found the configuration page for Wikilog and it seems we have 2 options available to use with anon edits, Either block the edits via $wgGroupPermissions and wl-postcomment, or switch on moderation of anon edits with $wgWikilogModerateAnonymous. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I have done a bit of looking around and based on MediaWiki:Wikilog-comment-deleted and the authors wiki about Wikilog styling (mainly the .wl-comment-deleted class), I get the impression that the container and footer is designed to remain if a comment is deleted. But the actual comment is replaced with the MediWiki message and the .wl-comment-deleted class added (presumably for easy CSS formatting, i.e. hiding deleted comments which makes sense). So it seems that the bug isn't a persistent footer element remaining, but is the fact it isn't adding the class or MediWiki message (so it can be optionally swept under the carpet, as I put it earlier, with ease). So it seems your nice CSS fix is mimicking what should be happening any way, which makes the bug less of an issue as first though.
With the comment editing, I also think AbuseFilter is probably the best way forward. I was more wondering if the solution could be augmented with JS to disable/hide the edit link, for those who would not be able to edit it based on the AbuseFilter rules (i.e. everyone except the comment creator and admins). Something in a similar fashion to the ghosted edit tab on archive pages. Again, I don't know the limitations of JS in this respect.
Finally, looking at your suggestions I think the mix of 1 and 3 seems like the best way forward. Although I do agree that blocking anon comments would lead to a more mature discussion in most cases, the merits for allowing them to comment is also a valid point of view. In the long run, that might actually have to be discussed in the forums as a community depending on how it goes. But in the interim, I think changing the MediaWiki page for anonsig to not display the pseudonyms is by far the best option. But to reduce confusion of the pseudonym not actually being displayed, we can also include the JS option of hiding the input field and automatically fill it in "behind the scenes" when they press the "submit" button. This way only those anons with JS disabled would be left confused as to what the input field purpose is. Although, for those users, we could probably pretend it is some kind of basic math captcha, by changing the displayed pseudonym message, even though it would be a static question that doesn't actually do anything. What are your thoughts on this solution? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I have added the abuse filter to restrict editing, as well as adding the CSS styling for the comments - since they are getting spammed and are left with a large amount of deleted comments. Which brings up another issues, it seems blocked users are still able to post comments. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

It happens to all of use from time to time, the real world always takes first place in our efforts. How did the testing go for blocked logged in users and being able to post comments? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 14:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
That is very concerning, where do we go from here then? Ausir? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 11:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Another issues I have found, not even Abusefilter can prevent/block comment creation, only the editing of existing comments. Which leads me to believe that the comment creation merchanics is using it own code to create the page and bypassing all the MediaWiki core code. Hence why nothing can block it. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 20:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I have added the issues to the talk page od the extension in a hope it will get answered. But the developer does seem to be a bit inactive on MediaWiki. I have however tracked them down to here, as being the site they are most active on. Do you think it would be worth while sending them a message there also, or do you think that might be pestering them to much? User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 00:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


Hello Porter, my name is Andrew.

I was directed here by someone who knows you on Nukapedia; here is my original question:

"I'm an admin over at the Metro 2033 Wiki, and we've been preparing articles for a sequel due out next year. I've proposed that we create a Metro 2033 Portal, and a Metro Last Light Portal, similar to what The Vault uses for it's games, and I was wondering if you could offer any help, or point me in the direction for help, in regards to the creation of portals on a wiki."

Thank you for your time. Teddy Picker 23:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, we're still deciding if we'd like to use portals but your previous tips will be extremely helpful. Again, thanks. Teddy Picker 18:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Image issues

Thanks, I'll report it and hopefully have it repaired. Ausir 16:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

On behalf of Jspoel

Mediawiki 1.19

Hi Porter, I have a request. Yesterday we've been upgraded from Mediawiki 1.16 to 1.19 and we're experiencing some problems. You can read about it here. Would be willing to take a look at the recent changes script? It's causing the most problems at the moment, like edits on the same page not collapsing. And after the upgrade I noticed some new red links to Help-pages we don't have but The Vault does (like Help:Categories). Would you mind if we copy missing help pages to Nukapedia? Btw, I tried to post this message as an anon on The Vault, but it didn't allow me to save the message, so that's why I'm posting it here again. Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 22:08, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

-- GOTW User | Talk 23:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Can you also change the Wiki Activity button in the top right corner of the screen so that it leads to Recent Changes instead of Wiki Activity? That's how it was before the upgrade and I'd like that reinstated. And I noticed some strange gibberish to the right of Hide my edits in Recent Changes: <r> Do you know what causes it?Jspoel Speech Jspoel.png 17:04, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
-- GOTW User | Talk 17:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC) Edited (-- GOTW User | Talk 19:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC))

Abuse filter 11 (new user/anon adding external link)

Asirra captcha is only set up for account creation, there currently is no captcha for anon edits. The only measure we have to prevent spam bots adding links is this filter. Personally I would like to have it set up the same way as Wikipedia, with the same captcha instead of Asirra. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 15:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Now I understand you. Since we have effectively locked out the spam bot account creation, we should limit the filters to anons only. That I agree on and will change the filters accordingly. As for the captcha, you are indeed right. I just personally don't like Asirra, as it looks tasteless and cheap in my view, and would prefer it changed site wide. However, I cant argue with its effectiveness in preventing the spam bot account creation. So I guess I just have to live with it. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I am more than happy to disable it, once captcha editing have been enabled for anons. But I would hold off on it at present. I have found an issue with Asirra not working with..... yep IE. I tried it the other day, by trying to create an account and each time it failed. Seems it dosnt want to pass on the users input for Asirra. I have left a message for Ausir, just waiting to hear back. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I swear I most be losing it, when I read through the extension on the first activation here, I cant remember reading the part about addurl parameter. I remember all the others, even the user groups part, just not that one. Well since it is enabled, yeah I more than agree we should give it a shot. If it is anything like the the user creation I foresee no issues. And since it is already enabled, the Asirra is going to be an issue either way, so I cant see that as any reason not to try it. I will disable filter 11 and change filter 10 to tag all added links and see how it goes from there. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 10:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

The Fallout fanon wiki

It's just been set up.

I'm wondering if you want to help with the setup for it.

Sternkreuz.png Инкуиситор Саша Ехренстеин аус дөм Стурмкриг Сектор (Contributions) (Edit Count) Contact: CW - SK (de) - 23:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Images column

I've noticed that multiple infobox images no longer neatly align in a column, even with the Column parameter set. Fix? :( Tagaziel 10:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I originally put in the 1 value due to Tags recent panoramic images for locations. But since then I have found a few where the images are not panoramic. This resulted in a poor image display in the infobox, that was best served by having them side-by-side, instead of on top of each other. So the only way I can see to cover both circumstances, is to make it a variable of the template and override the default. However, I do agree that the default should be set at 1, as this will most likely be the best option for the majority of cases. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 23:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

<3 and kisses. Tagaziel 07:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

FNV locations project

We have the project page, but I noticed that it needs an update. Could you plese write up a macro for your bot that adds the project tag to all FNV pages? Thank you for your time.--Ant2242 06:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Terminal edit screen

Thanks. Currently I am using costume CSS that makes (or did until a Chrome update) the scale lines a click through overlay. User:AvatarUser talk:Avatar 17:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Fannon Wiki

RE: yes--Ant2242

Do you know what the good browsers are? If its not I.E.--Ant2242 17:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Code for creating a banner

Hi. I was wondering if you knew how to write code to create a banner exchange using a widget with mw:Extension:Widgets, or would be able to provide advice on how to do so. I have banners for various websites that I've included in widgets here . I'm wondering if there's a way to make a widget that would randomly display them, to make it easier to display all banners without needing to manually change them. I'm also planning to include a banner for The Vault to help direct people here, especially since it moved. Sternkreuz.png Инкуиситор Саша Ехренстеин аус дөм Стурмкриг Сектор (Contributions) (Edit Count) Contact: CW - SK (de) - 11:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

FEatured image

Hey Porter, thought we could do a "Featured image" section? File:Caesar2.png this one's too pretty not to feature! ;) Tagaziel 18:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Will do. Hope everything turns out ok :) Tagaziel 16:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Just a Thought

Sorry I didn't mention this before, but I'd like to make amends now. I had asked you before on your thoughts on the Template:Talk. I remember your strong opposition to this template, and you raised some very good points on why it's more of a hazard than anything for a wiki. I did some work on it though, with some help from JBed at the FF wiki, and I've added it to Nukapedia for now as a private template with a strict set of guidelines for anyone that might want to use it. I am taking everything you said into account still, and I will be doing my best to improve upon it before making it a a public option. Just wanted to mention this because I don't want to seem like I wanted your advice just to turn my back on it. If you'd really like, you may find this template here. See you around, Porter, and I apologize in advance if it seems like I'm trying to alleviate my guilty conscience. :P GarouxBloodline 06:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Haha, guess I was just being paranoid then. I just know how much I personally get annoyed when someone asks for my opinion just to not take it into account afterwards. It's a good experiment for me though. It's kind of fun playing around with basic coding. Have yourself a good one. :) GarouxBloodline 15:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
My Mum and little brother's most annoying habit ^ XD -- GOTW User | Talk 15:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


As you may know (I believe I told you once before) I've wanted to make a parody religion with you as its messiah for a time, but before I started writing it up, I wanted to see if it was okay with you and if I could have some input from you (in the form of Q and As and some of your opinions on things). I'll understand if you don't want to do those seen as I know your a very private guy, and so if that extents to your opinions on things, then fair enough :) Just tell me what you think -- GOTW User | Talk 15:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Well it was more of a joke than anything, but I completely understand. Besides, I saw it coming ;) -- GOTW User | Talk 20:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Strategic Nuclear Moose

Hey Porter! I come to you again in hopes that you can help me with a technical problem that has been plaguing me ever since I started expanding my social blog. One of the additions I've made with my recent overhaul of the Moose is the addition of a 'backdrop'. This has allowed for me to create a general atmosphere for my blog, along with removing those pesky side-bars and adds. (Yeah, yeah, I know. But I've asked for Wikia help as well, and they haven't said anything so far about me breaking ToU.) The problem is, the backdrop appears to be taking z-indexing priority, and it's covering up the comments section. This has obviously been received with a negative response, especially from me, and I have been actively searching for a way to keep the backdrop, while have the comment section at the same time. Is there any possible way you can help me out here? You may find an example here: ( I'm looking forward to your response! GarouxBloodline 00:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to have bothered you, then. :) Enjoy your vacation! GarouxBloodline 17:56, 1 September 2012 (UTC)