Talk:Broken Steel

Surviving Past the End

I wish you didn't hve to side with the BoS, i hope that they'll include a BoS Outcast and Enclave route too. or maybe let you reunite the BoS and the outcasts?--24.151.34.75 23:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

According to the article Bethesda is going to CHANGE the ending. So there is no reason to discuss how the player would be able to survive the original self-sacrifice method. (Though Col. Autumn's method is a good candidate). --Clean Up 01:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about you people, but has anyone considered the fact that something goes wrong with the purifier? I mean it wouldn't make sense for it to work, then most enemies will probably die off. maybe the enclave blows up the purifier out of desperation, and then u go after them, or they say it will take a long time for everything to go back to normal. But it's just speculation, i'm not trying to undermine other people's thoughts on this i'm just saying what would more believable for fallout. But if it does work I hope to see a little more color in the wasteland, and some new settlements.Septic101 20:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

• I don't think so, think about what you just said. If they blow up the purifier, that means you were inside at the time meaning you die from the explosion 143.238.68.240 04:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
• The purifier doesn't kill off mutants. The FEV virus caused those. Unless you used the modified FEV virus, then all the mutants are still going to be around. Just turning on the purifier will mean that water can now be used with no radiation penalty. But even then, you're assuming immediate effects. They could just say "The effects are ongoing".

Maybe u get away and go after them as revenge? i'm just saying. cause if the purifier works, then i would expect some enemies to die off, new settlements to arise, and some color to come to the capital wasteland. if that happens then Bethesda is gonna have to come up with a clever way to keep us entertained with new enemies and places, for it to make some sense. For example, a new enemy arises, like the commonwealth, could open up for the next DLC or Sequel. The Chinese begin to take over wasteland America, or hell u get to fight aliens.Septic101 15:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's something like, PC wakes up and someone is like "Whoa, I don't know how you survived that much radiation! You are one lucky bastard!" Or something like that. Or maybe you just went comatose and it takes place later on.

"It is confirmed that the player character will still be the Lone Wanderer, even if the "sacrifice" option was taken at the end of Take it Back!." I've not read any confirmation that the player still can take the sacrifice option at the end, anyone have a source for that? If there isn't a source then I recommend that it be removed. UncannyGarlic 08:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm putting my money on Sarah Lyons automatically entering the control chamber with the players choice in the matter disabled. --Thq95 07:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

They're going to change the ending, so why does there have to be any radiation? For all we know, they might as well simply remove the radiation from the control room ... no mystery drug or miraculous survival necessary. If they don't simply remove the radiation, I agree with Thq95; Lyons or some other generic soldier will probably sacrfice him/herself with no player choice in the matter. --Sentinel 101 15:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You could end up becoming a ghoul and thats how you survive the radation, then you could go on a mission to cure yourself - or not. anny 03:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The purifier will probably not go radioactive at all. It seems to be the simplest solution, it was just an arbitrary "radiation ex machina" event to justify an 'ultimate endgame moral decision' anyways.

In many interviews they said that the PC would still have the same options but also to be able to send one of your radiation resistant followers in such as RL3, Charon, Fawkes possibly even clover with the whole "Love her Owner" thing. I don't see Jericho doing it, he'd say something like go F*** yourself.

Join Ranks of Brotherhood of Steel

its now clear that after activating the purifier you instead of dying, you wake up in the citadel 2 weeks later and discover that fighting continued after you passed out. now you will do some more official missions with the brotherhood and work up the ranks eventually to paladin? we'll find out!

I think that Bethesda will explain the characters survival somehow. Or maybe they will assume you didnt do it.

It would amuse me to no end if one of their Devs was sitting there, reading this page, going... -hmm, that's how we could do it, aha!- --Tisi 06:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll bet they just throw out general ideas, then just use whatever we deduce about them.Dragonjts

I don't think we get to play a new character, since they raise the lvl-cap (for the (probably) capped Lvl 20 Char activating the Purifier) .Kamuikaze

I'd honestly rather join the Outcasts, they have robots, cooler looking armour, and plus they only worry about the true goal of the Brotherhood instead of whining about how big bad mutants are hurting the poor, innocent little wastelanders. PlasmaFox 01:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the Outcasts are cooler, but working for them would be boring. Their missions would be "Find advanced technology", whereas the CWBoS would actually have you fighting enclave. That being said, a DLC where you pick a side in a war between the Brotherhood and the Outcasts would be cool...

I wanna join the enclave..

I would really love to join the Enclave. I hope they give something like that for bad Karma players. I mean, a player who kills, steals, lies and cheats is suddenly offered a high place of honour in the Brotherhood?! In Lyon's Pride no less! Eden said: "If you are successful in our little mission, perhaps there is a place for you here in the Enclave." So I've got my hopes up, but somehow, I feel Bethesda won't let us join the Enclave. :< Five Dog 17:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

All I have to say is the clues in the name. Think about it

That doesn't mean much. It could mean you 'break' the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel as the Enclave or the Brotherhood is broken from the attack on the purifier and you need to help restore it. Who knows.....?

A note in the safe of Elder Lyons points out he is considering retirement and putting Sarah in charge so I believe if something may of happened to her... Hail Elder Vault Dweller!

And Eden says if you succeed in putting the FEV into project purity, you could exceed Colonel Autumn as his confidant. AKA Colonel Lone Wanderer!

The Enclave were studying creatures of the wasteland right. And there were all kinds of creatues in tanks at Raven rock, this could account for the high level mutants & ghouls. But if you destroyed Raven rock the remnant Enclave could have a new base. --Brandon.367 13:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Brandon.367

- While I completely understand your point, wouldn't the increased level cap be wasted if a new playable character was introduced?--ASL93ratjar 23:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Level cap

official word for the level cap is now given on fallout official website, that the level cap will be raised to 30 and new perks added also. one interesting one is called 'puppies' which will let dogmeat respawn if hes killed at any time, what better reward for mans best friend! Realek 01:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. It was mentioned recently here, as well as in another previous interview/article.--Niksilp 07:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Release date

IT will be released on may 5th 2009 for 800 microsoft points on xbox live, and games for windows! this is a good price for all the new content but bethesda was tempted to raise it up, but its only right to be for 800 because of the prior download mayhem of the pitt

Bethesda originally announced it for March but in the latest interview they said the DLCs will be 5-6 weeks apart, making the date for The Pitt early March and Broken Steel mid-April. // Porter21 ^{U | T} 20:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Its LATE April already! When is this thing coming out? I hope it's worth it.--ASL93ratjar 23:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It'll be released May 5th for 800 MSFT Points. --70.150.85.133 01:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Join The Enclave

Alright, I just want to make a list or check how many players would rather join the Enclave instead of the Brotherhood. Please place your signature below if you would rather join the Enclave.

I for one, would like to. - Five Dog 18:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hell Yeah!

Yes, please. U-S-A! U-S-A! --Solbur 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

me too! RG (xbox)

I would, so I could destroy them from within, like I did in Paradise Falls. I mean come on, the Enclave killed my dad! I'm not letting that go! TunnelSnake 15:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The Enclave didn't kill him. He killed himself in Project Purity's main chamber by venting in radiation. He could have co-operated and then they *MIGHT* have killed him, but really, he killed himself. - Five Dog 20:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear that he was a dead man if he cooperated. Have you ever cooperated with Colonel Autumn when he asks you for the code? You give him the code, and he kills you.

I routinely wipe out Lyons Pride Patrols out of sheer hatred so yes, I would side with the Enclave.

For the good " 'ol USA" as Nathen would say. Just kidding, the Enclave is corrupt.PitifulKnight99.135.162.165 03:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The enclave thought for the good of humanity as a whole, like Outcasts and the original BoS. I would side with them 100%. I think a lot of the choices in this game aren't as clear as the karma system makes it out to be.

When I think good karma, I always think corruption, fascism, and genocide. Duncanxxxx 01:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Genocide based on race/religion/nationality, etc. = bad, no argument there. Genocide for the sake of preventing generations of further devolution of the human gene pool = difficult, but ultimately rational choice.

Genocide in any form is irrational. What would be the standards to define devolution of the gene pool? IQ, income class,undeveloped countries, etc. And would you really want to make the choice? What if you fell under the definition that described "devolution'? Genocide is never good.Kingclyde 21:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)kingclyde

Don't forget that, upon the death of all "Tainted" humans, only the Enclave and BoS will remain, so in other words the only truly organized groups will be left. That has to count for something.

Yes, it means it is possible that the survivors will be even more genetically similar, thus further reducing the chances that humanity will survive. I won't even get into how crazy it is to try to use eugenics as a rationalization for genocide. Duncanxxxx 22:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

But Genocide in this case is absolutely necessary. The only way to re-unite the United States would be to get rid of the innumerable autonomous villages, raider camps, Super Mutants, etc. Only then can the country be re-united under one (Organized and technologically advanced) Government.

What good is uniting under a corrupt oppressive government? It'd be like uniting under communism, ultimately it will be overthrown by another government, just as happens in many 3rd world countries: One oppressive tyrant is overthrown by another.

The only way to restore America would be with a democratic government, and that's not going to happen with any of the powerful groups in the Fallout world. Humanity doesn't need genetic cleansing to survive, it needs things like Project Purity to reduce the radiation exposure and the super mutants wiped out so civilization has a chance to re-establish itself. That's all ignoring the fact that the America before 2077 in the FO world is not the one we know and love.

That's not necessarily true. The New California Republic has a democratic government. Furthermore the Brotherhood is headquartered in the town of Maxson, a state in the NCR. Granted, the Brotherhood seems to work independently of the NCR government but the fact that they operate inside NCR borders would suggest they are at least unofficially a partner in the state.

Didn't know that. But it still supports my main point that Enclave isn't what's best for restoring order, society, the American way and all that good shit.

- I pwn noobs, civilians, enclave, or BoS. lol--ASL93ratjar 23:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

James (father) is alive?

It is a possibility. Autumn was revived by that advanced radaway and he considered James a valuable scientific asset. A friend of mine told me he saw a leaked video of the player talking to sarah lyons but all she said was: "We found him. He's alive." and it is NOT the vault dweller.

Surely not. You can see autumn breathing into his jacket as he's being irradiated (using the radaway). James meanwhile does nothing, and you watch him die. Spending that much time in an irradiated tank without any treatment would, no doubt, own you (and kill you).--86.143.111.182 00:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't autumn have an anti rad injection?

Maybe they rushed James and Col. Autumn back to Raven Rock, restored them then and then demanding informtion from James just like they did to you? But would he tell them? I mean James would be worth alot to restore him because of the information he knows about Project Purity and his body is gone in Take It Back! When the purifier is activated or not....

I bet, enclave turned him in to a uber-mutant ;).

Frank horrigan MK II perhaps?That would be AWESOMESAUCE! Werewolfhell 13:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd say the chance of James being alive is roughly a large number to a small number. What the game really needs is a liam neeson follower. Dragonjts 22:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why it might be called Broken Steel

During the end of the game when the Brotherhood does an all out assualt on the Jefferson Memorial some Enclave went to the Cidetal and drove the Brotherhood out. The Brotherhood have no one to turn to except the Outcast. The Brotherhood and Outcast make an unlikely alliance to drive the Enclave out of the Cidetal and Wasteland. Just my theory.I also believ you are able to join the Enclave. it would also be cool if they released a co-op DLC for the players that completely finished the game. Like I have completed every quest and Play on the save before Take it Back!. I have all the items from the Pitt and Anchorage. I want to show off all my stuff to people online. It would also be awesome to play co-op with people on Windows Live.PitifulKnight 21:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What is it with all the stupid theories? Multiplayer in Fallout 3 would be impossible to implement. I mean, come ON.TunnelSnake 20:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of stupid theories, I wonder if the game will include the western main branch of the brotherhood of steel. The Outcasts at Fort Independence do clearly state that should the original brotherhood return contact with the D.C Brotherhood, Elder Lyons would be put in his place. Perhaps the game will include a Brotherhood of Steel civil war. The plot at the moment seems kind of weak; the Enclave where pretty much destroyed on vanilla Fallout- the remainder of the Enclave would probably take around 10 minutes of gameplay to crush. Bethesda will have to come up with something new and exciting to give this game more meaning.--Drifter 20:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

It states that you round up and destroy the enclave in the description, and this dlc has been announced to be as long as the Pitt and O;A, which were short, i think the entire time youll being dealing with the enclave, for an expansion that lasts roughly 4 hours if you dont rush through, they just couldnt include an multi-outcome quest dealing with the outcasts when the differences in them are so important to the atmosphere of the game in a dlc thats only 4 hours when your also dealing with whats left of the enclave, which could be alot of people, not all of em followed autumn to the purifier.

So I guess the Outcasts or possibly the western Brotherhood will have a major role in this DLC? And hey, none of us have good hard facts on what this DLC will have other than the Brotherhood and Enclave fighting each other and it will be part o fthe main quest. All we can do guess, right?PitifulKnight 99.135.162.165 03:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

They're adding 10 levels to the game, right? 10 out of 30 is 33%. They should add in enough game play to accommodate for this. It would make more sense.24.164.74.84 01:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really, there's already enough content in the Vanilla game to accomodate that many levels. I know my character, at least, is still running around completing quests at max level. --62.30.222.230 15:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

This is just speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the main quest brought you back to Vault 87 at some point -- since the player does have a dialogue option with Elder Lyons to alert him about its role in creating the mutants. Remember the BoS only had two objectives when they arrived in DC: Acquire technology and investigate the Super Mutant sightings. Although, the presence of upgraded Ghouls and Super Mutants doesn't necessarily mean they will be tied into the main quest. They could simply "appear" in random places based on the player's level, the same way the current system works. As it is a level 20 player has a higher chance of running into Super Mutant Masters than a level 10. The trend will probably continue so that a level 30 player will be running into these upgraded enemies.

Maxed out

I have all my skills maxed. I fear, that when this is released, I will be stuck in the level up screen, unable to progress... I ask you, people of the wasteland, what would happen?Jetholt (Jetty) 21:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be impossible to max out all your skills(tel me how) maybe they will add new skills or when you level up ot will skip this section. DO you use PC or 360PitifulKnight 21:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The only way to max out all skills would be skill books.

All that would probably happen is you skip the skill improvement screen and go straight to perks, no way Bethesda would ignore that possibility and just let the game freeze. Also, my memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall an interview about Broken Steel where one of the devs said skills would be able to be increased above 100; just don't take my word for it. -- Commdor /{Talk} 00:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

• This problem is fixed by the 1.1 patch.BSMaker 00:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sadly that patch broke vats

Now THAT is an off-topic comment if I've ever seen one. --81.183.145.154 09:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

- Co-op play would be cool i guess, but then you wouldn't be "the lone wanderer". you'd be "the lone duo". WOMP!--ASL93ratjar 23:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The Enclave and choosing the FEV Virus

Wouldn't this make the whole point of fighting on the side of the BoS moot? I mean if you were to let Eden live and actually use the FEV Virus, wouldn't that mean most of the BoS at the Citadel (after all, they are mostly wasteland initiates) would die, along with every non-pure human? So it would essentially be the Lone Wanderer, The Enclave, Vault 101 Dwellers, Outcasts, and a few Citadel BoS running around?

Furthermore, I have a feeling the name of this has a double meaning to imply that you could side with the Enclave, thus making the name "Broken Steel" just that; that you destroy the Lyons Pride at the Citadel (hated them anyway.)

The lone Wanderer would die too from the FEV

Maybe,he was born OUTSIDE a vault in project purity,and its never specified if james or catherine are PURE humans.however,being in a vault for so long might have turned the LW pure..............Lets jsut wait and see what bethsoft say.........

( a day later)

Bethesda:Oblivion sucks and we will die for it...........

me:good slaves...............

Werewolfhell 13:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, coming to think of it, the Lone Wanderer WAS born outside a Vault, and James and Catherine AREN'T pure humans. Alex 0:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

So it'd be like this..........

Lw:eh ill eb safe from this (Inserts FEV virus into the water) Lw:im thirsty (Lone wanderer walks over to the water under the purifier,ignoring sarah lyons corpse and drinks the water) Lw:Hey this tastes funny

• Dies*

Werewolfhell 15:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ummm. No. Alex 21:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Can't wait to see this addon

Damn, maybe there will be some stuff I expecting to see. 1. The good old enclave armor from F2. 2. Explanation on where the hell super mutants took their armors and weapons, who leading them and what happens to them after the visit to Vault 87. 3. A nice ending to the main quest which includes a boss fight... Hey, bethesda said that there will be new enemies, including ghouls and super mutants... does this mean the new quest will be somehow binded to them? Maybe, the purifier will be broken and will only lead to new mutations? Remember the cancelled FOBOS2 and Tactics 2? Maybe something is very wrong with the Geck and after it's implementation some unforseen consequences will unfold. Master Mold 17:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

• Bethesda isn't using other companies plans for games. FOBOS2 and Tactics 2 were developed by other companies and are not a canon for the Fallout 3.

info

is it me or are the developers a bit silent about this one? i mean, only a week after OP:A came out, the page for the pitt was filled with screenshots and info, but we don't even have proper info about what BS is going to give us.The great molerat. 12:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this as well. Maybe they're watching out before they leak anything out, due to the problems with The Pitt. Once information is released people will demand Broken Steel more, possibly causing them to rush and create something less than Fallout quality. --The Incendiary ^(talk) 02:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I just hope when finally the first shots and info will arise, there will be something to IMPRESS us and make as expect it even more. Another thought about the 3rd DLC: maybe they will bring back ("resurrect") The MASTER? :)

What're ya gonna say next,resurrect the orignal vault dweller as a final battle companion and make him invincible casuse of the radiation shit he has..................hey.............. Werewolfhell 13:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not?? The Dogmeet is already here! :) Just kidding... It was my long-time idea that the master could survive the cathedral blowing up... he is a goo, you know, so... anyway, we all know he is dead and won't appear in the Broken Steel. Master Mold 20:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

What about something like the cafe of broken dreams,or............A lost souls palace! everytime you kill a named character,you can go there if a random encounter happens,pay a fine and get that person back alive (Heck id be able to finish blood ties cause i sorta exterminated arefu and the family.......hehe oops) Werewolfhell 13:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"Hunt down enclave supporters in the capital wasteland?"

this dlc was argued at bethesda on what price on xbox live would be, but they are releasing it for the usual 800 mircosoft points. only fair because of all the mishap opn the first 2.

this caught my eye on the page,could it mean you have to kill people like nathan? HOT DAMN!!!!!

Heh, when I read that line the only thought that visited me was something like seeing tough Lone Wanderer talking to some children and telling them "Enclave is bad". What kind of supporters the Enclave could have other than their own members?Master Mold 20:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Nathan?Unless you fed him a bullet to the brains,oh wait,he must be a boss character,you cant shoot him in the brains................Oh an..............were fucked......were fucked Werewolfhell 10:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well that means that the Lone Wanderer will have kill himself if he has chosen to use the FEV in order to get a position in the Enclave. Alex 16:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually its never said whether the lone wanderer does that to get a position in the enclave,only dialogue options are " Ok ill do it mr.president" or some shit,i dunno,also,who knows?Maybe the lone wanderer was genocidal (if he used the FEV virus) and wanted only "Pure humans" to live,but thats sound like a load of shit (like mikael grizzlys fallout 3 bitching.) Werewolfhell 13:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Eden said that the Lone Wanderer may get a position as his second in command (so instead of Colonel Autumn it will be Colonel Lone Wanderer I guess). It could be possible that he accepted it because he wanted a position in the Enclave. Besides, it doesn't sound like a laod of shit to me. The Lone Wanderer's personality won't be known until we hear of him from another perspective (possibly his memoirs in FO4). Basically we'll never know if he was good or bad. He could be described as a guy who was actually a Super Mutant fan, and never hurt any Super Mutant. Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Yes. Alex 16:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

If FO4 pulled a mass effect 2 and uploaded moral choices from fallout 3 into "Lone wanderers memoirs" mine would be:

"Ok memoirs............................Fuck you lot im going home.

Back Alive?

I heard that the Lone Wanderer might be cloned or injected with the mysterious Rad-X medicine Ozzie 1 13:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Where did you hear that?George bush?A friend?Some arsehole on the internet?Until bethsoft confirms anything,believe nothing! Werewolfhell 13:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

You heard? From who, Aliens? Bigfoot? Wait, wait, it was that goddamn Lochness monster? I AIN'T GIVEN' HIM NO TRREEE FIDY!

But seriously, every troll on the net claims to know a developer or have an inside source when honestly leaks like that are about as rare a snow-thunderstorm. Sadly there are plenty of people stupid of enough to believe them, even in this the information age. So like the Werewolf said, until Bethsoft says something, believe nothing.Cavesloth 05:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Mudkip will be in the next DLC...Or so i herd...Also, the Lone Wanderer grows some wings and turns out to be a hermaphrodite. Hessen 14:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Im guessing that was sarcasm......................... Werewolfhell 15:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Release Date

Wiki says late april/beginning of may, and links to an interview. IGN says Q3 2009, or 30. September 2009. Anyone got any thoughts on this? Any evidence on what IGN claims? -=KAG=-^{Discussion - the VaultNO} 08:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

They also said 01.01.09 for OA and 01.02.09 for Pitt and 01.03.09 for BS. I woulden't trust them. Gabriel77cortez 08:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

IGN said that or Bethesda said that? I don't want to trust them, but it's a shocker. -=KAG=-^{Discussion - the VaultNO} 16:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Bethesda first said that it would release DlC's in the first three months of 2009 (the dates Gabriel77cortez posted), but later they moved The Pitt to march and Broken Steel to April-May. Since it's nearly late April now, and we still don't know anything (release date, screenshot, ...) we might as well assume it's going to be May (if not later). --Sentinel 101 17:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Achievements!!!

Look at the picture at the achievements! I bet the new story will be about a new weapon (probably a tesla-thing or mind-controling), aquired or already had by the Enclave. What do you think?Master Mold 13:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It could just mean a twist in the plotline, I wouldn't get to excited till they release pics. 67.211.81.140 17:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

They can be seen under the achievements list of the PC version at xbox.com LeMans 20:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

First Broken Steel screenshots

I take it these new screens and yesterday's update mean Broken Steel's release is near. I'm thinking it might hit around May 5 or so. Anyway, the latest pics from Gamespot (the Bethesda site hasn't been updated as of this posting), featuring an unknown military base, some sinister-looking new power armor, and Liberty Prime's return: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fallout3/images/0/1/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;1 -- Commdor /{Talk} 00:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Reminds me of 'Countdown'. PositronicSpleen 00:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

And a general note: I'll re-upload the new images with unmarked ones from the official site whenever Bethesda puts them out (don't wait on me though, I tend to procrastinate). The Gamespot logo ruins the aura of "Fallout-ness" and awesomicity. I wonder how GS got the images before anyone else anyway... -- Commdor /{Talk} 01:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Who knows, it's just great to finally have some news, even if it only comes with 3 screenshots. Interesting to hear about a new flamethrower, guess those who took that perk that ups your flame damage will love that. I like the fact that they are mentioning BS will affect the wasteland, instead of being just a separate map (even though apparently it's both). I'm also glad they took some serious consideration into the perks, I've already got max skill points, so anything with that would be worthless for me, and just about anybody since adding 10 levels would make easier than falling off a log to max out your skills. I'm also glad they are looking into harder enemies, instead of just more of the same. All in all it sounds like it'll be great.

Those PS3 fanboys over at Gamespot are vindictive bastards though, daaaaamn. 67.211.81.140 06:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Death From Above

The achievements lead me to believe you play as a brotherhood character. Probably a airborne thing, as Death from Above leads me to believe. --Cerebral plague 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No, Bethesda is changing the ending of the game with Broken Steel so you will play as the Lone Wanderer --MaulYoda 01:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, the Death from Above simply means a threat of Vertibird bombings... Master Mold 05:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Death from above might refer to Liberty Prime. The player may be able to take control of the robot and reak havoc across the wasteland in one of the missions--ponchmasta

New Power Armor

Does anybody besides me think that the new power armour looks somewhat like a possible re-make of the Advanced Power Armor from Fallout 2? (dont look at the picture of the helmet, look at the sprite instead, especially the shoulders, and you might see it) CarlOnFire

The sprite yeah, but otherwise no 166.109.0.180

The Name has been given to the power armour now, so i MASSIVELY doubt that it will be now. CarlOnFire

Broken Steel gameplay

Someone on the fallout forums said that XPLAY is featuring gameplay from Broken Steel tomorrow 8:00 et now im not sure if this is true, but keep an eye out for any videos or stuff like that on tv and the internet if you have the time! 74.170.163.209 02:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Gah. Videos can either ruin the experience or add to the anticipation. If they do as well as the Pitt video, I'll be happy to watch it.--Ecksplisit 03:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

There probably will be some game footage and I'm pretty sure they mentioned that there was going to be an interview with Pete Hines. Mr. Sully 22:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

There was gameplay videos. Adam Sessler interviewed Todd Howard for it. He said you (the player) will work with the Brotherhood of Steel more directly to finish off the Enclave/ User:Cris773 6:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone get this on YouTube? Me goes to look...67.211.81.140 02:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Damn, no vids on YouTube, just some whiny punk bitchin' about PS3 not getting DLC and some cocklord showing Tranquility Lane claiming it was Broken Steel gameplay.67.211.81.140 02:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Awesome

Fucking rock on, its released on my birthday Bbcode 07:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dogmeat reincarnation ==

Will the dogmeat puppy be like this?

Dogmeat!

Gabriel77cortez 11:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. It's probably going to be the same race as before, only a puppy instead of an adult. Alex 13:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Challenge

I think the challenge of the addon isnt just gonna be the new enemies, but just imagine how hard it will be fighting tons of Enclave troops, I mean inside of Olney Powerworks, you might not have any teamates inside of the building, I fought a camp of Enclave soldiers in close combat with all of my new tech and I died two times even with Charon! Spoiler Alert!! STOP READING IF YOU HAVE NOT BEAT THE GAME YET!

Do you think you will lose your tech temporarily after you wake up from being asleep for two weeks? 74.170.163.209 18:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No way. What purpose would it serve? In Operation: Anchorage, you couldn't use real-life weapons in a simulation, and in The Pitt, it wouldn't make sense for you to become a slave and still keep an arsenal capable of nuking the whole town. Here, you've merely been out cold for a while, but it's not like the Enclave recaptured you. Even if your weapons were taken for no reason, the Brotherhood couldn't plausibly prevent you from leaving and fast traveling to wherever the rest of your weapons are stashed. 74.215.110.151 22:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure that Bethesda will find an answer. The weapons would have been blown and you somehow magically survived or something. Alex 13:48, 23 April 2009

I see no reason why you'd need to lose your gear anyway. Besides, it doesn't sound like your being kept in one area until you finish your job, as opposed to the pitt or anchorage. DragonJTS 18:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Altered Ending

Any idea as to what, exactly, this is going to do to a save file that has Liberty Prime waiting outside of Project Purity already? Because I've played about 20 more hours since then and I'd hate to find out that I have to load a save BEFORE I activated Liberty Prime and done all of that crap.

So any idea how it's going to work when you download it?

Also noticed Broken Steel footage during today's X-Play special that had Liberty Prime in it, so they obviously didn't just scratch him from the story.

• As long as you haven't gone into Project Purity, it should be fine. The DLC will upload into the game, with the only immediate changes being the raised level cap and possibly new, harder enemies if you're past level 18. You won't get to do the actual Broken Steel quests until you finally enter Purity and activate it; after the final cinematic and credits roll, you wake up two weeks later, ready to tackle the new quests. 74.215.110.151 21:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Who's leading the Enclave now?

If both Eden and Autumn are dead when you activate the Purifier, I wonder who takes charge of what's left of the Enclave in Broken Steel? I'd think there would have to be someone, a general or whatever that Eden kept in reserve for just such an emergency. From the videos, the Enclave looks too organized to not have an interim leader, and there has to be some new boss or final bad guy to cap off the DLC, like Jingwei in Anchorage and Ashur or Wehrner in The Pitt. All speculation, but I don't want to fight a faceless Enclave army; I need an antagonistic figurehead to channel my righteous fury on. 74.215.110.151 23:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Also keep in mind President Eden can still be alive and kicking (figuratively) depending on how the player handles the encounter. If Eden survives and the player lets Autumn escape Project Purity we then have three potential Enclave leaders in play: Eden, Autumn, and whoever Autumn's replacement would be. I'm interested to see how Bethesda handles that. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it also possible for Raven Rock to not be destroyed? ~Unsigned 24 April 2009

Well yeah, I think there's a way you can just leave and there's no self-destruct, but you can't re-enter it. I think Raven Rock's old hat, and all of the Enclave retreated to Adams Air Force Base. Anyway, as in my file, if both Eden and Autumn are dead (or will be when I play through again), then who is left to keep things in order? Autumn, if spared, could conceivably return in the DLC, but that would push any new character out of the limelight; Eden is a stationary supercomputer and Raven Rock is locked out, so I don't see another face-to-face with him happening, unless Bethesda got extravagant and made him a remotely-controlled robot body or something. I think we've seen the last of those two, but Bethesda could surprise us (if the voice actors return). I really just want to see someone new. 74.215.110.151 02:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)