Talk: Battle of Willow Beach

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What?

What is this? This has never been mentioned in Fallout at all, and whoever added it was obviously just trolling. I would delete the page myself, but I do't know how to. I know that no-one at all would be bothered. --Wiseman of the Wastes 11:25, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sources

This page needs some hard sources in order to stay intact. Also we need more than just the vague speculation that is listed. Where did it come from? Look at this chunk "location called Willow Beach which was seemingly controlled by the New California Republic", really? We need details with sources please. If none are listed in 3 days I will delete this page. Thanks.--Kingclyde 09:29, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn I already put this page up for deletion a few days ago. Last time I saw it, though, it was just a single, badly worded sentence. Unless someone can give proof of it's existence, I'd appreciate it if you delete it Clyde. 09:40, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

To be fair I am going to give it until the 20th. Or tomorrow. Whichever comes first.--Kingclyde 22:44, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

• It was mentioned on the 1st battle of Hoover Dam page, as the next event, with a reference tag to the FNV official Game guide. A registered user added this page, which is why its back up.
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The problem with sourcing the game guides is that they are in no way considered canon because they are written by non-beth people. They tend to expound and speculate on several things if it makes for good reading.--Kingclyde 22:54, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

But Bethesda approves all official guides for all it's games. The Canon article states that Fallout: New Vegas, being published by Bethesda, is canon, as are all officially released supplementary materials, like the All Roads comic. veryblackraven 23:28, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

It would still be nice to have some sort of source footnotes at least. Is it just noted in one line? We need some sort of validation. Just a simple footnote would work but the rest of the page is pure speculation. I mean "location called Willow Beach which was seemingly controlled by the New California Republic" is not very accurate. It's speculative at best. Whomever created this page is adding on to what ever is mentioned in the game guide. I need page numbers and whatnot. And it is not in the Prima e-guide which is an online version of the guide.--Kingclyde 00:18, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'd try cleaning the page up and removing speculation. It would help if we had the source(s).--JacktheBlack 00:30, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I've found the exact mention of the battle in official guide. It is stated that "The NCR has been holding the dam continuously since, and have fortified positions along the dam and up and down the west side of the Colorado River. Recently, the Legion pushed the NCR off of the east side of the river at the Battle of Willow Beach (which destroyed an NCR military camp) and the Battle of Arizona Spillway." (p. 372 of the E-guide) I'm to add this info and make a reference to the guide. veryblackraven 06:19, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Malpais Legate

I think that Malpais Legate should be removed from the list of Caesar's Legion leaders. Since the battle took place after the First Battle of Hoover Dam it's most likely that Joshua was already "executed" by Caesar at that moment. veryblackraven 06:16, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

To be fair, we don't really know when this battle took place, it could have happened immediately after the First Battle of Hoover Dam, where Joshua Graham was still the Malpais Legate. Unless it does state somewhere that this took place a while after and I'm just spewing out garbage. Xplode441 06:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Should we remove the NRC commanders too since we don't know if the President was leading NRC at Willow Beach, campaign wise I agree with adding his name on the page. --JacktheBlack 06:43, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about reverting before, JB. I didn't think that page was ever going to be made. As for the leader, if it isn't confirmed, might as well remove it. 06:46, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

N/P mate :). But on User:Ausir talk page I'd made a mention on a new new template. I'm wondering what you guys think about it.--JacktheBlack 06:50, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I say remove the leaders, they could have all died during the main storyline and saying that they were definitely present at the battle is speculation. Also, on the First Battle of Hoover Dam page it lists the conflict following it as this. How is that even possible?-- 06:54, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Same goes for the Arizona Spillway page..

Nobody has any input on this?

The battle is told about in past tense in the Official Guide. So it took place before FNV main quest stared. So leaders should stay. veryblackraven 07:20, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm talking about battlefield commanders.--JacktheBlack 07:21, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up raven, keeping the leaders would be fine if that's the case -- 07:25, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

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Well, if we talk about battlefield commanders they are really unknown. veryblackraven 08:19, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Template

What do you guys think about this template? I think we should have one for ALL of our articles about wars and insert them in all the battles/wars pages.--JacktheBlack 07:04, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Article naming

I'm to rename this article to Battle of Willow Beach. It should meet the common naming standarts. veryblackraven 07:05, July 18, 2011 (UTC)