Forum:Phasing out achievements

Do you think that category-specific achievement tracks should be phased out after some time, or remain available indefinitely? For example, the FO3 and FNV creatures tracks were created to aid the creatures project, and are no longer needed for that purpose. On the other, a wiki is never really finished, and there's always some room for improvement even there. And I think that e.g. the looong list of custom achievement tracks at Elder Scrolls Wiki is a bit over the top. Of course, everyone who already has earned the achievement would keep it even after it's been disabled for new users. Any thoughts?

BTW, two edit tracks that will need to be phased out are the FO1/FO2 non-player character ones, because the categories themselves are being replaced with just "characters" and I can't find a way to change the category for an existing edit track. Fortunately, at least someone already got the highest achievements in both tracks, so they won't go to waste. Ausir(talk) 10:21, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's kind of a toss-up for me. I agree that a wiki is never finished, but there really is only so much that can be done to a page before the changes start getting sloppy and counter-productive. However, some users will want to keep going on their track until they advance to the highest level. While leaving tracks up indefinitely would encourage people to make more edits to a category over a long period of time, it would make for some of the edits far-fetched and sloppy. Kastera (talk) 17:01, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * For my perspective, the creatures track was in place for the project. So while the project is still active then so should the achievements. Once the project has finished then again so should the achievements. This is why I think achievements are great for projects, because they get the projects done. But most projects have a clear objective to achieve with a end point, I don't see why the achievements for that track should be any different. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 18:50, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think they should be phased out after a while or once the project has been completed (if applicable); otherwise they would be less good at helping to focus editor attention.
 * Regarding the changing the category for an existing track, I don't think that's possible for us end-users. After a quick look at the extension code, it seems the categories are only stored in the database (unlike the achievement names etc). -- Porter21 (talk) 06:45, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. The creature pages are complete and any minor omissions do not require a separate achievement track. The point of achievements is to encourage editing. My opinion on disabling the Fo1/2 achievement track is not really relevant, since as the holder of both the Vault Dweller and the Chosen One achievements I'm kind of biased towards their removal, so that my position as the top Fo1/2 character geek is not endangered :P http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:14, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I trust that you mean when the project is finished, right? --233345-cartman1_tiny.gif Avatar talk.png 15:45, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

The FO3/FNV creature pages are not being edited too much anymore, and although there's still some work to be done (like overview pages, peering) I don't think that's work the vast majority of the normal users will get to. That will be up to the admins and some roll-backers. More or less the same thing for HH quest pages. They aren't being edited too much anymore either. I suggest give the creature pages 2 more weeks (let the community know by wiki digest, and the HH quest pages a little longer. That also makes room for new projects like generic character, armor and clothing or misc items. Once they are up, I'm sure much more editing will be done again in comparison to the creature and quest pages. Jspoel 12:48, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, perhaps it's better to wait for the next DLC (should be soon) before creating a new category track. People first need to focus their attention to the DLC. And we already have the Fallout 3 locations track in place, should be enough work to bridge th gap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jspoelstra (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * I intend to replace the HH track with an OWB one on the OWB release day. Ausir(talk) 15:12, June 21, 2011 (UTC)