User talk:CompleCCity/The Vault:Table layout guideline

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Hmm... I disagree with mandating that numbers always be aligned right, but otherwise it seems ok. There are times when you should and there are times when centered is better. Editors should have the choice. I'd definitely like to see us have a list of those va-table alignment commands for editors though. I've been stuck pasting "align="center"" hundreds and hundreds of times because I didn't know you could do things like "va-table-center-col5" in your example above. I only knew about centering all of the columns and then doing "align="left" to the columns I didn't want centered. --Trifler500 (talk) 07:47, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh I guess I should also mention that any such sort of policy should keep in mind that requiring sorting on something like the mods on Robot armor, for example, would be detrimental. --Trifler500 (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree that in the case of values in one column, which all have the same number of digits, center alignment could look good. But, c'mon, figures are by default right aligned. ;)
 * Not really... I mean if there was a center align right options, where it centers the value while simultaneously aligning the right digit, that would be cool. Still, most of the time you have lots of whole numbers and only a few with decimals, an then the align right doesn't work regardless. Right now everything is aligned left except the tables I've worked on. :) --Trifler500 (talk) 09:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I understand this right… If all figures have the same number of decimal places, right alignment works totally fine. And another point in my guideline just is, to give all values in one column this same number of decimals. -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 09:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ugh... I really hate this. It's horribly ugly and doesn't really help anyone. I tried aligning the Weight column right on the apparel page and it's just awful. It's not like anyone's doing addition or subtraction between rows. Centered is better except for special situations. --Trifler500 (talk) 09:28, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry I re-read this and it sounds a lot harsher than I intended. I was just trying to apply emphasis. --Trifler500 (talk) 10:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. :) Take a look on my new layout below (and follow some of my virtual changes, especially capitalization). -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 10:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, you've definitely made it look a lot better than it did when I tried it. :) I would be amenable to updating the apparel page to this. I still don't like the idea of a mandate for all tables though. I fear it wouldn't look nearly as good if you hadn't changed the resistances to be text-less. Maybe make the Weight and Value columns the same width? How do I virtually follow your changes? I tried to left-align the Name column earlier, but was unsuccessful. --Trifler500 (talk) 10:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Because the entries in the first column are handled as headers, starting with the . That makes them automatically bold, but also centered, no way around.
 * I wanted to say, "follow my virtual changes", not "virtually follow my changes". :) My changes to the table are yet "virtual", because I don't want to implement this new layout until further discussion about this topic here, by some other people. But making Agatha's dress a link and de-capitalizing some words should be done nevertheless.
 * If you want change "Weight" to "W" or "WG", and "Value" to "V", as in some other tables, then you should add a legend to the beginning of all the tables, explaining the icons, too. Until now we don't have a weight icon, as far as I know, for value sometimes $ has been used.
 * And if you want to do the maths, you could add the column "V/W" ("V/WG" respectively), the "Value to Weight ratio". Important for some people as an overall indicator for the "real" value of an item. You know, you don't need to carry some piece of armor to the merchant, weighing 100 lbs with a value of 1000, when you could instead carry two items for 600 each, but only weighing 50 lbs. -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 11:30, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That must be a wiki-specific or Gamepedia thing. I've worked on other wikis where just using the ! was left-aligned by default. I'm pretty sure I didn't add Agatha's dress, unless you just mean in general? --Trifler500 (talk) 11:48, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's Vault specific. And I'm not going to change it without discussing it with some other people.
 * Yes, in general. You can make a link out of it, even if it was added by another contributor, couldn't you? ;) -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 11:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. I have to notice it first though. :P --Trifler500 (talk) 12:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * It can be added that to tables, listing an increasing order of things, as in your example, sortable shouldn't be added as attribute. Unfortunately it seems impossible to make only certain columns sortable – either the whole table or nothing. But perhaps only better knowledge of CSS than mine is required to achieve this…
 * Again: some disadvantage, some restriction by these class elements, setting a column alignment, is that it's impossible to alter this for specific cells. (You'll find the desired information in the Vault's custom table classes.) -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 08:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally, I wouldn't even mention sorting in a table policy. Give the editors discretion. --Trifler500 (talk) 09:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Fallout 4 apparel: Outfits – Current state

 * This section refers to items that occupy all slots except for the head

Fallout 4 apparel: Outfits – Current state
Changes:
 * Removed some column headers, replacing them by icon description
 * De-capitalized these descriptions (it's a rule!)
 * Removed column widths
 * Linked Agatha's dress
 * "De-headed" first column, thus left aligning it
 * Right aligned all columns with numeric values
 * Removed general center alignment
 * Added consistent decimal places to the weight column
 * Changed the common.css so that right aligned cells have more padding to the right
 * Unfortunately the first column now isn't bold anymore; if this is really desired, we should think about some general changes in table classes, or simply make the content in the first column bold manually