Forum:Level 20+ just too easy...

Is it just me or do you think this game is too easy on high levels?

I think character building is not very interresting when you are godish in all skills and even have skillbooks to spare. With this stupid overuber 'Almost Perfect' perk all chars end up the same ubergods at lvl 30. I find it very little interresting to play at levels 20+ at the moment. I go VATS and kill everything with a plasmarifle or whatever weapon I choose, then I have full VATS again.. I feel I should be fighting hordes of behemoths to even have a slight bit of challenge on hard setting.

- reduse skillgains - new perk every 2. level

Then building chars would be so much more interresting.

If you don't like it, then stop putting 9 points into INT on every character and getting the bobblehead at level 2. Stop complaining and actually work towards specializing your character. Broeman 16:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

And stop using Almost Perfect. And the game isn't too easy, Overlords and co are ridiculously strong, how can those be easy? Here is one example, I know that a reaver is easy as hell to kill if you shoot it's leg's with the tesla cannon a few times, it becomes so slow that you can beat it with no problem, that's why I don't shoot them in the leg's, for more difficulty, I don't shoot tribeams out of overlords hands either. Gabriel Cortez 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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I have to agree. Early on the game was challenging... I remember being absolutely terrified wandering the wastes, not sure what was going to come at me. I had to use my wits to survive, it was awesome.

Now, I have 200 + stimpacks, if I ever even need them because practically everything only takes one round of VATS headshots to drop, repleneshing my AP and moving on to the next thing. I find myself spending more time repairing my crap and trying to carry stuff then I do actually trying to play the game intellegently in order to survive.

And I don't like the answers to this that involve limiting yourself. I don't buy that. I haven't done any overexploiting of the game, i.e. finding items from info on this wiki or collecting skillbooks and bobbleheads, I'm still a god in this game. I really hope that Bethesda makes the next one more difficult... I'm looking for a slower level progression and more difficult NPCs. So far the hardest thing I've fought is a Behemoth, and there's always a place to duck and take potshots. I need the average supermutant to be able to kill me, if I don't use my wits.

--SpiderJerusalem2 17:59, September 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * I could remember when all i had was a crappy pistol and actually fearing low level raiders. Later I got a CAR and had to actually shoot in bursts and wait so all my bullets hit because I had to conserve ammo and I had no caps and stimpacks were waaay too expensive! Now, it doesnt matter, I could buy out a whole trader, whereas before I may have to pickpocket a low level citizen in order to get their goodies and risk karma, and again, i can just buy karma (water/donations). Although it was hard and frustrating, it was actually fun. I do try to limit myself (by not using stimpacks etc.) but then I could just say try beating all muties with a rolling pin...it's still not the same as it was early on in the game. I guess this is a problem with these types of games where you can store items, and seeing as how low level enemies can be harvested for trade as well. Anyhoo I think FOOK maybe be a worthwhile shot. 90.212.31.120 16:32, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

In the beggining the game ARE challenge, I agree with the others. Problem is, Bethesda rushed you until level 15, is extremely easy to progress from level 2 until 10 with a lot of XP points (even with Inteligence 7), so you became very powerful very fast. For those complaining try "Welcome to the Wasteland (WttF)" mod, you'll be surprised for what you have do to survive. Stimpacks, drugs, meds and food have weight, so no more 200+ stimpacks, 100 Med-X and 150 Jet and sleeping don't heal crippled injuries, so be prepared to visit the doctor A LOT. Also, a simply stimpack costs you 100 caps and you don't have money in the beggining of the game (when you came out of the Vault you have a simply 10mm, 32 bullets and a baseball bat. And that's it) You have, for example, let the BoS patrolling the Washington Monument die for vicious dogs attacks, since then you can steal their weapons and meds. Animal Friend perk finally make sense, BTW, since you progress very slowly from levels and have to explore a lot for gainning XP points. The mod is very good, I recommended a try (they say that FO2 was that way). Brfritos 19:11, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yes the game is too easy at the higher levels. Point Lookout DLC seems to have tried to resolve this by making the local "Swampies" tougher and more dangerous but this is just stupid when some half dressed yokel with a shovel can kill your fully loaded character which is wearing T51b power armour!

A simpler way to resolve this would have been to respawn Ghouls/Raiders and make Raiders tougher and more orgainsed in their attacks on you. Gunner Bill 19:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yea it does get too easy, only thing you can really do is to download mods, modify enemies in Geckk or create new one's. But on 360 and PS3 only thing to do is to limit your stuff. I started using Autumns Rick-coat and his pistol only and started roleplaying. I only carry 5 stimpacks but pick up all the food and drinks and use them instead. It makes it a bit more challenging. 81.234.140.17 19:57, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

This may sound a bit philosophical but.. In history things that are all powerful tend to be destroyed rather quickly. For example the Bismarck was a battleship so powerful that it was hunted from the get-go and destroyed before it could play any part in WWII. In the game world our level 20+ characters should become feared and reviled by all and in some respects targeted like the Bismarck was. To counter this the character should dress down and go in "disguise" on all but the most important missions. Gunner Bill 20:05, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I use the mod survival of the fittest, which is a lot like WTTW, fook 2, which adds a large amount of weapons, armours, ect, it makes raiders scary to fight! and Mart's Mutant Mod with all plugins, there is know 20-30 raiders in super duper mart equipped with SAWs, Axes, AK-47s and a lot more awesome, dependable Russian tech weapons (p.s I'm not russian, I just agree that their weapons are more durable than their western counterparts.) A handfull of rounds can kill me, and they have full-auto weapons. To make it harder, I only use what I scav. (usually walk around with merc advernturer armor and a gas mask, the only things that I could readily repair.--124.169.124.13 05:12, October 4, 2009 (UTC)Charon_The_Ghoul