Talk:Broken Steel/Archive 1

Original game locations altered by the DLC
Besides the current list of new locations, this page should also include a list of original game locations that have new content added by the DLC, such as Fort Bannister and Springvale. I'd add the list myself if the page wasn't locked to prevent editing.

Sarah Lyon
I just watched the begining of Broken steel. What happend to Sarah. Elder Lyon said that she got sick to. But can someone who has the game give me a detailed raport on what who happend to Sarah.

Lyons tells you that there was some kind of energy spike when you activated the purifier (I went the good way) and that you were both rescued and brought back to the Citadel. He says that they didn't know if either of you would make it, but now they have hope for her to come out of it since you did. She's in the room with you, lying on a bed, and when you try to interact with her she is listed as unconscious. I've finished the first main quest and she has still not woken up. --Abbitha7 00:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

If you finished the main quest, you should have encountered her at Adams Air Force base (she tells you to get on board the copter right before the big event, then sticks around afterwords too).

Hank's Electrical Supply
Under locations, can someone add "Hank's Electrical Supply". Its a new Area to enter in Jury Street Metro area. I edited the Jury Street Article to include it: Jury_Street_Metro_Station --AllTeam 19:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Surviving Past the End
I'm very doubtful that they'll change anything before the activation of the purifier, as this would most like break saves that were done in the final stage, or the saves would break the scripting. Likely, all the DLC's "content" will begin after the player has passed out and replace the scripts that initiated the original ending(the new areas may show prior of course but be otherwise inaccessible until the "end"). I'm speaking from a point as I would think a programmer would do it, of course. I know FO3's scripting system tends to have issues operating mid-save so this would probably be the best method to do it to avoid game breaking bugs.

fubarmonkey 04:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I wish you didn't hve to side with the BoS, i hope that they'll include a BoS Outcast and Enclave route too. or maybe let you reunite the BoS and the outcasts?--24.151.34.75 23:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

According to the article Bethesda is going to CHANGE the ending. So there is no reason to discuss how the player would be able to survive the original self-sacrifice method. (Though Col. Autumn's method is a good candidate). --Clean Up 01:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about you people, but has anyone considered the fact that something goes wrong with the purifier? I mean it wouldn't make sense for it to work, then most enemies will probably die off. maybe the enclave blows up the purifier out of desperation, and then u go after them, or they say it will take a long time for everything to go back to normal. But it's just speculation, i'm not trying to undermine other people's thoughts on this i'm just saying what would more believable for fallout. But if it does work I hope to see a little more color in the wasteland, and some new settlements.Septic101 20:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, think about what you just said. If they blow up the purifier, that means you were inside at the time meaning you die from the explosion 143.238.68.240 04:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The purifier doesn't kill off mutants. The FEV virus caused those. Unless you used the modified FEV virus, then all the mutants are still going to be around. Just turning on the purifier will mean that water can now be used with no radiation penalty. But even then, you're assuming immediate effects. They could just say "The effects are ongoing".

Maybe u get away and go after them as revenge? i'm just saying. cause if the purifier works, then i would expect some enemies to die off, new settlements to arise, and some color to come to the capital wasteland. if that happens then Bethesda is gonna have to come up with a clever way to keep us entertained with new enemies and places, for it to make some sense. For example, a new enemy arises, like the commonwealth, could open up for the next DLC or Sequel. The Chinese begin to take over wasteland America, or hell u get to fight aliens.Septic101 15:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's something like, PC wakes up and someone is like "Whoa, I don't know how you survived that much radiation! You are one lucky bastard!" Or something like that. Or maybe you just went comatose and it takes place later on.


 * "It is confirmed that the player character will still be the Lone Wanderer, even if the "sacrifice" option was taken at the end of Take it Back!." I've not read any confirmation that the player still can take the sacrifice option at the end, anyone have a source for that?  If there isn't a source then I recommend that it be removed. UncannyGarlic 08:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm putting my money on Sarah Lyons automatically entering the control chamber with the players choice in the matter disabled. --Thq95 07:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * They're going to change the ending, so why does there have to be any radiation? For all we know, they might as well simply remove the radiation from the control room ... no mystery drug or miraculous survival necessary. If they don't simply remove the radiation, I agree with Thq95; Lyons or some other generic soldier will probably sacrfice him/herself with no player choice in the matter. --Sentinel 101 15:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You could end up becoming a ghoul and thats how you survive the radation, then you could go on a mission to cure yourself - or not. anny 03:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The purifier will probably not go radioactive at all. It seems to be the simplest solution, it was just an arbitrary "radiation ex machina" event to justify an 'ultimate endgame moral decision' anyways.

In many interviews they said that the PC would still have the same options but also to be able to send one of your radiation resistant followers in such as RL3, Charon, Fawkes possibly even clover with the whole "Love her Owner" thing. I don't see Jericho doing it, he'd say something like go F*** yourself.

-- I think the player will survive this way: after you insert the code, you fall down, after that, ÍF you killed Col. Autumn Sarah will run to his body, and take the little medicine Autumn used during The Waters of Life, which made him survive the radiaton, and insert it in you and pull you out of the purifier. And if the player left Autumn alive, he'll run into the purifier and pull your body out, inserting you with the medicine. After this, you'll survive. Else, if you choose that Sarah goes in, the player will do the same thing with the medicine. Also, I don't think the option to blow up the purifier will stay, ánd I think you can also send companions in. Tedjuh10 17:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

How 'bout sending the Colonel himself in after you told him out of attacking you? 217.85.228.153 17:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Mmm... Also possible, that he'll use The Medicine on himself... Yes... this is also highly possible Tedjuh10 17:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The website "Gamesradar" have some new information, here's the link: http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/fallout-3/preview/how-the-new-fallout-3-dlc-changes-the-games-ending/a-20090421141830609034/g-20070606111037562096 They say you can send fawkes, charon or RL-3 in instead of you or sarah. Fat Man Spoon 18:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't saw that before. But it's kinda' missing sources. And how about the people who have killed all companions? How will the game end for them (for the exception to let Sarah in). Tedjuh10 18:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You can still enter the Control Room yourself, and you'll surivive. Please sign your comments. --Sentinel 101 18:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, forgot :). Anyway, I just posted my theory (Medicine thing), and I think thát will happen if you or Sarah will enter the controlroom, but that you can also send in companions. Tedjuh10 18:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the medicine thing, but will Karma affect anything at the end? Fat Man Spoon 18:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Mmm... Maybe a different ending movie. Tedjuh10 18:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea but stupid me decided to use a glitch fto kill autumn ahead of time due and his body already disapeared. unless it is a goo pile i cant remember.


 * He'll respawn automatically. Tedjuh10 - Didn't want to login

1.thanks but thats not the case 2.he wasnt there now that i downloaded it (wasnt a goo pile) 3. nope all u guyses are wrong it pulls one last TWO WEEKS LATER. lol good time good ttimes your guy is probably like

OMG NUUUU NOT AGAIN.... phew only two weeks

Join Ranks of Brotherhood of Steel
its now clear that after activating the purifier you instead of dying, you wake up in the citadel 2 weeks later and discover that fighting continued after you passed out. now you will do some more official missions with the brotherhood and work up the ranks eventually to paladin? we'll find out!

I think that Bethesda will explain the characters survival somehow. Or maybe they will assume you didnt do it.
 * It would amuse me to no end if one of their Devs was sitting there, reading this page, going... -hmm, that's how we could do it, aha!- --Tisi 06:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll bet they just throw out general ideas, then just use whatever we deduce about them.Dragonjts

I don't think we get to play a new character, since they raise the lvl-cap (for the (probably) capped Lvl 20 Char activating the Purifier) .Kamuikaze

I'd honestly rather join the Outcasts, they have robots, cooler looking armour, and plus they only worry about the true goal of the Brotherhood instead of whining about how big bad mutants are hurting the poor, innocent little wastelanders. PlasmaFox 01:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the Outcasts are cooler, but working for them would be boring. Their missions would be "Find advanced technology", whereas the CWBoS would actually have you fighting enclave. That being said, a DLC where you pick a side in a war between the Brotherhood and the Outcasts would be cool...
 * I wanna join the enclave..

I would really love to join the Enclave. I hope they give something like that for bad Karma players. I mean, a player who kills, steals, lies and cheats is suddenly offered a high place of honour in the Brotherhood?! In Lyon's Pride no less! Eden said: "If you are successful in our little mission, perhaps there is a place for you here in the Enclave." So I've got my hopes up, but somehow, I feel Bethesda won't let us join the Enclave. :< Five Dog 17:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC) All I have to say is the clues in the name. Think about it

That doesn't mean much. It could mean you 'break' the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel as the Enclave or the Brotherhood is broken from the attack on the purifier and you need to help restore it. Who knows.....?

A note in the safe of Elder Lyons points out he is considering retirement and putting Sarah in charge so I believe if something may of happened to her... Hail Elder Vault Dweller!

And Eden says if you succeed in putting the FEV into project purity, you could exceed Colonel Autumn as his confidant. AKA Colonel Lone Wanderer!

The Enclave were studying creatures of the wasteland right. And there were all kinds of creatues in tanks at Raven rock, this could account for the high level mutants & ghouls. But if you destroyed Raven rock the remnant Enclave could have a new base. --Brandon.367 13:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Brandon.367

- While I completely understand your point, wouldn't the increased level cap be wasted if a new playable character was introduced?--ASL93ratjar 23:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Since your now officialy joining the BoS I wonder if they cleared out a room for you in the Citadel, Because the Citadel is awsome and my house is kinda running out of shelfs and lockers to use... I need an armoury. And so comes to mind my warriors fortress in Oblivion, kick ass house, with just about everything, including of course a foom just FULL of beer wine and asorted drinks... good times.

You say Potato I say Patortamyort 01:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Use the Rivet city hotel room if you lockpick it it satys open and kinda counts as a house:D (Bad karma tenpenny tower :good karma megaton: neutral rivet city:

Level cap
Official word for the level cap is now given on fallout official website, that the level cap will be raised to 30 and new perks will be added also. One interesting one is called 'puppies' which will let dogmeat respawn if hes killed at any time as a puppie and will later after hopefully a short period of time become the same old dogmeat(he will respawn at vault 101). a good perk if dogmeat already died,and now you won't have to woory about losing him forever. Dogs rule! Shamrock28 05:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. It was mentioned recently here, as well as in another previous interview/article.--Niksilp 07:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Release date
IT will be released on may 5th 2009 for 800 microsoft points on xbox live, and games for windows! this is a good price for all the new content but bethesda was tempted to raise it up, but its only right to be for 800 because of the prior download mayhem of the pitt
 * Bethesda originally announced it for March but in the latest interview they said the DLCs will be 5-6 weeks apart, making the date for The Pitt early March and Broken Steel mid-April. // Porter21 U 20:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Its LATE April already! When is this thing coming out? I hope it's worth it.--ASL93ratjar 23:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It'll be released May 5th for 800 MSFT Points. --70.150.85.133 01:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Join The Enclave
Alright, I just want to make a list or check how many players would rather join the Enclave instead of the Brotherhood. Please place your signature below if you would rather join the Enclave.

I for one, would like to. - Five Dog 18:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hell Yeah!

Yes, please. U-S-A! U-S-A! --Solbur 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Sounds kick ass for an evil character, be like Autumn

me too! RG (xbox)

I would, so I could destroy them from within, like I did in Paradise Falls. I mean come on, the Enclave killed my dad! I'm not letting that go! TunnelSnake 15:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The Enclave didn't kill him. He killed himself in Project Purity's main chamber by venting in radiation. He could have co-operated and then they *MIGHT* have killed him, but really, he killed himself. - Five Dog 20:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's pretty clear that he was a dead man if he cooperated. Have you ever cooperated with Colonel Autumn when he asks you for the code? You give him the code, and he kills you.

I routinely wipe out Lyons Pride Patrols out of sheer hatred so yes, I would side with the Enclave.

For the good " 'ol USA" as Nathen would say. Just kidding, the Enclave is corrupt.PitifulKnight99.135.162.165 03:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The enclave thought for the good of humanity as a whole, like Outcasts and the original BoS. I would side with them 100%. I think a lot of the choices in this game aren't as clear as the karma system makes it out to be.


 * When I think good karma, I always think corruption, fascism, and genocide. Duncanxxxx 01:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Genocide based on race/religion/nationality, etc. = bad, no argument there. Genocide for the sake of preventing generations of further devolution of the human gene pool = difficult, but ultimately rational choice.
 * Genocide in any form is irrational. What would be the standards to define devolution of the gene pool? IQ, income class,undeveloped countries, etc. And would you really want to make the choice? What if you fell under the definition that described "devolution'? Genocide is never good.Kingclyde 21:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)kingclyde
 * Don't forget that, upon the death of all "Tainted" humans, only the Enclave and BoS will remain, so in other words the only truly organized groups will be left. That has to count for something.
 * Yes, it means it is possible that the survivors will be even more genetically similar, thus further reducing the chances that humanity will survive. I won't even get into how crazy it is to try to use eugenics as a rationalization for genocide. Duncanxxxx 22:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But Genocide in this case is absolutely necessary. The only way to re-unite the United States would be to get rid of the innumerable autonomous villages, raider camps, Super Mutants, etc. Only then can the country be re-united under one (Organized and technologically advanced) Government.
 * What good is uniting under a corrupt oppressive government? It'd be like uniting under communism, ultimately it will be overthrown by another government, just as happens in many 3rd world countries: One oppressive tyrant is overthrown by another.

The only way to restore America would be with a democratic government, and that's not going to happen with any of the powerful groups in the Fallout world. Humanity doesn't need genetic cleansing to survive, it needs things like Project Purity to reduce the radiation exposure and the super mutants wiped out so civilization has a chance to re-establish itself. That's all ignoring the fact that the America before 2077 in the FO world is not the one we know and love.
 * That's not necessarily true. The New California Republic has a democratic government. Furthermore the Brotherhood is headquartered in the town of Maxson, a state in the NCR. Granted, the Brotherhood seems to work independently of the NCR government but the fact that they operate inside NCR borders would suggest they are at least unofficially a partner in the state.

Didn't know that. But it still supports my main point that Enclave isn't what's best for restoring order, society, the American way and all that good shit.

- I pwn noobs, civilians, enclave, or BoS. lol--ASL93ratjar 23:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... Stay loyal to the Brotherhood and do the right thing, or join the Enclave and do the cool thing. Clear buildings with a rusty old 10mm SMG, or send in a kill team and raze the place to the ground. Constantly deal with those pesky Super Mutants and Deathclaws, or get killed by Liberty Prime. It's a tough choice. I pick Enclave! 216.41.198.73 18:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Way I see it: the Enclave are decended from the shadow government that so many consperacy theorists have been looking for all these years, they are responsible for sacrificing the lives of billions in hopes of eradicating communism in the great war (they then failed to leave the planet (for mars?)) before the war they may also have had say in the creation of the New Plaug, the Anexxation of Canada (my country) and disbanding of the United Nations. After the war they tried to kill nearly everyone on the west coast, failing that they moved to the east and are trying again. They cirtainly place no value on the "citizens" of the capital waistland or anywere elce, as their reactions with anyone non Enclave seems to always be hostile in some way; shooting on sight, making them slaves, capturing them for research, "reposesing" any useful technology from them under the athourity of a government that was erredicated 200 years ago. I would say kill them all, but not all of them are bad, some are just doing their jobs and some have simply never learned that non Enclave are not always evil and mutated - this can be seen in an enclave terminal from a soldier's audio log. So: kill the leaders and recondition the followers to not kill everyone elce

You say Potato I say Patortamyort 00:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

James (father) is alive?
It is a possibility. Autumn was revived by that advanced radaway and he considered James a valuable scientific asset. A friend of mine told me he saw a leaked video of the player talking to sarah lyons but all she said was: "We found him. He's alive." and it is NOT the vault dweller.
 * Surely not. You can see autumn breathing into his jacket as he's being irradiated (using the radaway). James meanwhile does nothing, and you watch him die. Spending that much time in an irradiated tank without any treatment would, no doubt, own you (and kill you).--86.143.111.182 00:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't autumn have an anti rad injection?

Maybe they rushed James and Col. Autumn back to Raven Rock, restored them then and then demanding informtion from James just like they did to you? But would he tell them? I mean James would be worth alot to restore him because of the information he knows about Project Purity and his body is gone in Take It Back! When the purifier is activated or not....

I bet, enclave turned him in to a uber-mutant ;).

Frank horrigan MK II perhaps?That would be AWESOMESAUCE! Werewolfhell 13:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd say the chance of James being alive is roughly a large number to a small number. What the game really needs is a liam neeson follower. Dragonjts 22:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I bet when Sarah Lyons says "We found him. He's alive." she actualy IS talking about the lone wanderer. Unless you have any evidence to suggest otherwise, im just going to assume that. It makes sense after all.--Greig91 19:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The movie in HD shows vault 101 with someone wearing a vault scientist uniformMikill 22:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Why it might be called Broken Steel
During the end of the game when the Brotherhood does an all out assualt on the Jefferson Memorial some Enclave went to the Cidetal and drove the Brotherhood out. The Brotherhood have no one to turn to except the Outcast. The Brotherhood and Outcast make an unlikely alliance to drive the Enclave out of the Cidetal and Wasteland. Just my theory.I also believ you are able to join the Enclave. it would also be cool if they released a co-op DLC for the players that completely finished the game. Like I have completed every quest and Play on the save before Take it Back!. I have all the items from the Pitt and Anchorage. I want to show off all my stuff to people online. It would also be awesome to play co-op with people on Windows Live.PitifulKnight 21:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What is it with all the stupid theories? Multiplayer in Fallout 3 would be impossible to implement. I mean, come ON.TunnelSnake 20:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Speaking of stupid theories, I wonder if the game will include the western main branch of the brotherhood of steel. The Outcasts at Fort Independence do clearly state that should the original brotherhood return contact with the D.C Brotherhood, Elder Lyons would be put in his place. Perhaps the game will include a Brotherhood of Steel civil war. The plot at the moment seems kind of weak; the Enclave where pretty much destroyed on vanilla Fallout- the remainder of the Enclave would probably take around 10 minutes of gameplay to crush. Bethesda will have to come up with something new and exciting to give this game more meaning.--Drifter 20:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

It states that you round up and destroy the enclave in the description, and this dlc has been announced to be as long as the Pitt and O;A, which were short, i think the entire time youll being dealing with the enclave, for an expansion that lasts roughly 4 hours if you dont rush through, they just couldnt include an multi-outcome quest dealing with the outcasts when the differences in them are so important to the atmosphere of the game in a dlc thats only 4 hours when your also dealing with whats left of the enclave, which could be alot of people, not all of em followed autumn to the purifier.

So I guess the Outcasts or possibly the western Brotherhood will have a major role in this DLC? And hey, none of us have good hard facts on what this DLC will have other than the Brotherhood and Enclave fighting each other and it will be part o fthe main quest. All we can do guess, right?PitifulKnight 99.135.162.165 03:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

They're adding 10 levels to the game, right? 10 out of 30 is 33%. They should add in enough game play to accommodate for this. It would make more sense.24.164.74.84 01:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really, there's already enough content in the Vanilla game to accomodate that many levels. I know my character, at least, is still running around completing quests at max level. --62.30.222.230 15:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This is just speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the main quest brought you back to Vault 87 at some point -- since the player does have a dialogue option with Elder Lyons to alert him about its role in creating the mutants. Remember the BoS only had two objectives when they arrived in DC: Acquire technology and investigate the Super Mutant sightings. Although, the presence of upgraded Ghouls and Super Mutants doesn't necessarily mean they will be tied into the main quest. They could simply "appear" in random places based on the player's level, the same way the current system works. As it is a level 20 player has a higher chance of running into Super Mutant Masters than a level 10. The trend will probably continue so that a level 30 player will be running into these upgraded enemies.

Maxed out
I have all my skills maxed. I fear, that when this is released, I will be stuck in the level up screen, unable to progress... I ask you, people of the wasteland, what would happen?Jetholt (Jetty) 21:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be impossible to max out all your skills(tel me how) maybe they will add new skills or when you level up ot will skip this section. DO you use PC or 360PitifulKnight 21:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The only way to max out all skills would be skill books.

All that would probably happen is you skip the skill improvement screen and go straight to perks, no way Bethesda would ignore that possibility and just let the game freeze. Also, my memory may be faulty, but I seem to recall an interview about Broken Steel where one of the devs said skills would be able to be increased above 100; just don't take my word for it. -- Commdor /{Talk} 00:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This problem is fixed by the 1.1 patch.BSMaker 00:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sadly that patch broke vats
 * Now THAT is an off-topic comment if I've ever seen one. --81.183.145.154 09:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

- Co-op play would be cool i guess, but then you wouldn't be "the lone wanderer". you'd be "the lone duo". WOMP!--ASL93ratjar 23:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Personaly i think its called "Broken Steel" because the BOS and the Outcasts will have to unite in order to defeat the enclave, thats just my take on it. But like you said it could also mean joining the enclave. Your idea would make much more sense, and it would definitly be the best way to go. But i honestly don't think joining the enclave is going to be an option. I just really doubt Bethesda would put that much time into it.--Greig91 18:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Enclave and choosing the FEV Virus
Wouldn't this make the whole point of fighting on the side of the BoS moot? I mean if you were to let Eden live and actually use the FEV Virus, wouldn't that mean most of the BoS at the Citadel (after all, they are mostly wasteland initiates) would die, along with every non-pure human? So it would essentially be the Lone Wanderer, The Enclave, Vault 101 Dwellers, Outcasts, and a few Citadel BoS running around?

Furthermore, I have a feeling the name of this has a double meaning to imply that you could side with the Enclave, thus making the name "Broken Steel" just that; that you destroy the Lyons Pride at the Citadel (hated them anyway.)

The lone Wanderer would die too from the FEV

Maybe,he was born OUTSIDE a vault in project purity,and its never specified if james or catherine are PURE humans.however,being in a vault for so long might have turned the LW pure..............Lets jsut wait and see what bethsoft say.........

( a day later)

Bethesda:Oblivion sucks and we will die for it...........

me:good slaves...............

Werewolfhell 13:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, coming to think of it, the Lone Wanderer WAS born outside a Vault, and James and Catherine AREN'T pure humans. Alex 0:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

So it'd be like this..........

Lw:eh ill eb safe from this (Inserts FEV virus into the water) Lw:im thirsty (Lone wanderer walks over to the water under the purifier,ignoring sarah lyons corpse and drinks the water) Lw:Hey this tastes funny
 * Dies*

Werewolfhell 15:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

That was the most retarded thing I've ever read, Werewolfhell. Abbitha7 00:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ummm. No. Alex 21:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Well given you are tasked with delivering water to Megaton, I'd say the only people that would be immediately effected by the FEV are those who drink from the Potomac near Project Purity. So the only people that would really die from it would be Rivet City and any super mutants/ghouls in the immediate area.67.211.81.140 16:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Hey don't forget you can recive several mutations through the course of the game, the ones from survival guide, those and oasis so even if you were pure to start with you proabably aren't when you get to the purifier the second time. 124.148.111.111 08:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't wait to see this addon
Damn, maybe there will be some stuff I expecting to see. 1. The good old enclave armor from F2. 2. Explanation on where the hell super mutants took their armors and weapons, who leading them and what happens to them after the visit to Vault 87. 3. A nice ending to the main quest which includes a boss fight... Hey, bethesda said that there will be new enemies, including ghouls and super mutants... does this mean the new quest will be somehow binded to them? Maybe, the purifier will be broken and will only lead to new mutations? Remember the cancelled FOBOS2 and Tactics 2? Maybe something is very wrong with the Geck and after it's implementation some unforseen consequences will unfold. Master Mold 17:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Bethesda isn't using other companies plans for games. FOBOS2 and Tactics 2 were developed by other companies and are not a canon for the Fallout 3.

info
is it me or are the developers a bit silent about this one? i mean, only a week after OP:A came out, the page for the pitt was filled with screenshots and info, but we don't even have proper info about what BS is going to give us.The great molerat. 12:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed this as well. Maybe they're watching out before they leak anything out, due to the problems with The Pitt. Once information is released people will demand Broken Steel more, possibly causing them to rush and create something less than Fallout quality. --The Incendiary (talk) 02:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I just hope when finally the first shots and info will arise, there will be something to IMPRESS us and make as expect it even more. Another thought about the 3rd DLC: maybe they will bring back ("resurrect") The MASTER? :)

What're ya gonna say next,resurrect the orignal vault dweller as a final battle companion and make him invincible casuse of the radiation shit he has..................hey.............. Werewolfhell 13:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not?? The Dogmeet is already here! :) Just kidding... It was my long-time idea that the master could survive the cathedral blowing up... he is a goo, you know, so... anyway, we all know he is dead and won't appear in the Broken Steel. Master Mold 20:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

What about something like the cafe of broken dreams,or............A lost souls palace! everytime you kill a named character,you can go there if a random encounter happens,pay a fine and get that person back alive (Heck id be able to finish blood ties cause i sorta exterminated arefu and the family.......hehe oops) Werewolfhell 13:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"Hunt down enclave supporters in the capital wasteland?"
this dlc was argued at bethesda on what price on xbox live would be, but they are releasing it for the usual 800 mircosoft points. only fair because of all the mishap opn the first 2.

this caught my eye on the page,could it mean you have to kill people like nathan? HOT DAMN!!!!!

Heh, when I read that line the only thought that visited me was something like seeing tough Lone Wanderer talking to some children and telling them "Enclave is bad". What kind of supporters the Enclave could have other than their own members?Master Mold 20:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Nathan?Unless you fed him a bullet to the brains,oh wait,he must be a boss character,you cant shoot him in the brains................Oh an..............were fucked......were fucked Werewolfhell 10:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well that means that the Lone Wanderer will have kill himself if he has chosen to use the FEV in order to get a position in the Enclave. Alex 16:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually its never said whether the lone wanderer does that to get a position in the enclave,only dialogue options are " Ok ill do it mr.president" or some shit,i dunno,also,who knows?Maybe the lone wanderer was genocidal (if he used the FEV virus) and wanted only "Pure humans" to live,but thats sound like a load of shit (like mikael grizzlys fallout 3 bitching.) Werewolfhell 13:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Eden said that the Lone Wanderer may get a position as his second in command (so instead of Colonel Autumn it will be Colonel Lone Wanderer I guess). It could be possible that he accepted it because he wanted a position in the Enclave. Besides, it doesn't sound like a laod of shit to me. The Lone Wanderer's personality won't be known until we hear of him from another perspective (possibly his memoirs in FO4). Basically we'll never know if he was good or bad. He could be described as a guy who was actually a Super Mutant fan, and never hurt any Super Mutant. Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Yes. Alex 16:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

If FO4 pulled a mass effect 2 and uploaded moral choices from fallout 3 into "Lone wanderers memoirs" mine would be:

"Ok memoirs............................Fuck you lot im going home.

Back Alive?
I heard that the Lone Wanderer might be cloned or injected with the mysterious Rad-X medicine Ozzie 1 13:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Where did you hear that?George bush?A friend?Some arsehole on the internet?Until bethsoft confirms anything,believe nothing! Werewolfhell 13:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

You heard? From who, Aliens? Bigfoot? Wait, wait, it was that goddamn Lochness monster? I AIN'T GIVEN' HIM NO TRREEE FIDY!

But seriously, every troll on the net claims to know a developer or have an inside source when honestly leaks like that are about as rare a snow-thunderstorm. Sadly there are plenty of people stupid of enough to believe them, even in this the information age. So like the Werewolf said, until Bethsoft says something, believe nothing.Cavesloth 05:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Mudkip will be in the next DLC...Or so i herd...Also, the Lone Wanderer grows some wings and turns out to be a hermaphrodite. Hessen 14:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Im guessing that was sarcasm......................... Werewolfhell 15:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

It all makes sense now... wings are how the LW fast-travels, being a hermaphrodite is how the story remains canon regardless of gender, and Mudkip... well, I'm not sure about that one. 216.41.198.73 18:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Release Date
Wiki says late april/beginning of may, and links to an interview. IGN says Q3 2009, or 30. September 2009. Anyone got any thoughts on this? Any evidence on what IGN claims? -=KAG=-Discussion - the VaultNO 08:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * They also said 01.01.09 for OA and 01.02.09 for Pitt and 01.03.09 for BS. I woulden't trust them. Gabriel77cortez 08:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * IGN said that or Bethesda said that? I don't want to trust them, but it's a shocker. -=KAG=-Discussion - the VaultNO 16:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Bethesda first said that it would release DlC's in the first three months of 2009 (the dates Gabriel77cortez posted), but later they moved The Pitt to march and Broken Steel to April-May. Since it's nearly late April now, and we still don't know anything (release date, screenshot, ...) we might as well assume it's going to be May (if not later). --Sentinel 101 17:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Achievements!!!
Look at the picture at the achievements! I bet the new story will be about a new weapon (probably a tesla-thing or mind-controling), aquired or already had by the Enclave. What do you think?Master Mold 13:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It could just mean a twist in the plotline, I wouldn't get to excited till they release pics. 67.211.81.140 17:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

They can be seen under the achievements list of the PC version at xbox.com LeMans 20:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Release date is May 5th.

First Broken Steel screenshots
I take it these new screens and yesterday's update mean Broken Steel's release is near. I'm thinking it might hit around May 5 or so. Anyway, the latest pics from Gamespot (the Bethesda site hasn't been updated as of this posting), featuring an unknown military base, some sinister-looking new power armor, and Liberty Prime's return: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fallout3/images/0/1/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;1 -- Commdor /{Talk} 00:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of 'Countdown'. PositronicSpleen 00:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * And a general note: I'll re-upload the new images with unmarked ones from the official site whenever Bethesda puts them out (don't wait on me though, I tend to procrastinate). The Gamespot logo ruins the aura of "Fallout-ness" and awesomicity. I wonder how GS got the images before anyone else anyway... -- Commdor /{Talk} 01:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Who knows, it's just great to finally have some news, even if it only comes with 3 screenshots. Interesting to hear about a new flamethrower, guess those who took that perk that ups your flame damage will love that. I like the fact that they are mentioning BS will affect the wasteland, instead of being just a separate map (even though apparently it's both). I'm also glad they took some serious consideration into the perks, I've already got max skill points, so anything with that would be worthless for me, and just about anybody since adding 10 levels would make easier than falling off a log to max out your skills. I'm also glad they are looking into harder enemies, instead of just more of the same. All in all it sounds like it'll be great.

Those PS3 fanboys over at Gamespot are vindictive bastards though, daaaaamn. 67.211.81.140 06:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Death From Above
The achievements lead me to believe you play as a brotherhood character. Probably a airborne thing, as Death from Above leads me to believe. --Cerebral plague 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No, Bethesda is changing the ending of the game with Broken Steel so you will play as the Lone Wanderer --MaulYoda 01:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, the Death from Above simply means a threat of Vertibird bombings... Master Mold 05:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Death from above might refer to Liberty Prime. The player may be able to take control of the robot and reak havoc across the wasteland in one of the missions--ponchmasta

New Power Armor
Does anybody besides me think that the new power armour looks somewhat like a possible re-make of the Advanced Power Armor from Fallout 2? (dont look at the picture of the helmet, look at the sprite instead, especially the shoulders, and you might see it) CarlOnFire

The sprite yeah, but otherwise no 166.109.0.180

The Name has been given to the power armour now, so i MASSIVELY doubt that it will be now. CarlOnFire

Yeh, but we dont know what that name is yet do we? Although i agree, i dont think it is the MK II armour. It will be something totaly new no doubt..--92.10.83.213 00:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Now I think about it, probably wont be, as its supposed to be a better armour, and the MKI isnt going to be better then the MKII, oh well, find out tomorrow CarlOnFire

Broken Steel gameplay
Someone on the fallout forums said that XPLAY is featuring gameplay from Broken Steel tomorrow 8:00 et now im not sure if this is true, but keep an eye out for any videos or stuff like that on tv and the internet if you have the time! 74.170.163.209 02:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Gah. Videos can either ruin the experience or add to the anticipation. If they do as well as the Pitt video, I'll be happy to watch it.--Ecksplisit 03:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There probably will be some game footage and I'm pretty sure they mentioned that there was going to be an interview with Pete Hines. Mr. Sully 22:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

There was gameplay videos. Adam Sessler interviewed Todd Howard for it. He said you (the player) will work with the Brotherhood of Steel more directly to finish off the Enclave/ User:Cris773 6:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Anyone get this on YouTube? Me goes to look...67.211.81.140 02:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Damn, no vids on YouTube, just some whiny punk bitchin' about PS3 not getting DLC and some cocklord showing Tranquility Lane claiming it was Broken Steel gameplay.67.211.81.140 02:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

Awesome
Fucking rock on, its released on my birthday Bbcode 07:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Dogmeat reincarnation
Will the dogmeat puppy be like this? Gabriel77cortez 11:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it. It's probably going to be the same race as before, only a puppy instead of an adult. Alex 13:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Challenge
I think the challenge of the addon isnt just gonna be the new enemies, but just imagine how hard it will be fighting tons of Enclave troops, I mean inside of Olney Powerworks, you might not have any teamates inside of the building, I fought a camp of Enclave soldiers in close combat with all of my new tech and I died two times even with Charon! Spoiler Alert!! STOP READING IF YOU HAVE NOT BEAT THE GAME YET!

Do you think you will lose your tech temporarily after you wake up from being asleep for two weeks? 74.170.163.209 18:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

No way. What purpose would it serve? In Operation: Anchorage, you couldn't use real-life weapons in a simulation, and in The Pitt, it wouldn't make sense for you to become a slave and still keep an arsenal capable of nuking the whole town. Here, you've merely been out cold for a while, but it's not like the Enclave recaptured you. Even if your weapons were taken for no reason, the Brotherhood couldn't plausibly prevent you from leaving and fast traveling to wherever the rest of your weapons are stashed. 74.215.110.151 22:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure that Bethesda will find an answer. The weapons would have been blown and you somehow magically survived or something. Alex 13:48, 23 April 2009


 * I see no reason why you'd need to lose your gear anyway. Besides, it doesn't sound like your being kept in one area until you finish your job, as opposed to the pitt or anchorage. DragonJTS 18:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt you will lose your gear - Broken Steel will likely just have gear that will be vastly better than the 1 to 20 gear that you can get, so you will probably end up replacing it.

I personally hope the damn thing IS challenging - my level capped characters can easily kill large squads of Enclave troops (Thanks Grim Reapers Sprint!) so I need something worth fighting.

OOOOOHHHH trust me it will be tougher.....damn reavers

Altered Ending
Any idea as to what, exactly, this is going to do to a save file that has Liberty Prime waiting outside of Project Purity already? Because I've played about 20 more hours since then and I'd hate to find out that I have to load a save BEFORE I activated Liberty Prime and done all of that crap.

So any idea how it's going to work when you download it?

Also noticed Broken Steel footage during today's X-Play special that had Liberty Prime in it, so they obviously didn't just scratch him from the story.


 * As long as you haven't gone into Project Purity, it should be fine. The DLC will upload into the game, with the only immediate changes being the raised level cap and possibly new, harder enemies if you're past level 18. You won't get to do the actual Broken Steel quests until you finally enter Purity and activate it; after the final cinematic and credits roll, you wake up two weeks later, ready to tackle the new quests. 74.215.110.151 21:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you have to play the ending again, before you start Broken Steel quest? That means that whole long drawn out fight again?

Who's leading the Enclave now?
If both Eden and Autumn are dead when you activate the Purifier, I wonder who takes charge of what's left of the Enclave in Broken Steel? I'd think there would have to be someone, a general or whatever that Eden kept in reserve for just such an emergency. From the videos, the Enclave looks too organized to not have an interim leader, and there has to be some new boss or final bad guy to cap off the DLC, like Jingwei in Anchorage and Ashur or Wehrner in The Pitt. All speculation, but I don't want to fight a faceless Enclave army; I need an antagonistic figurehead to channel my righteous fury on. 74.215.110.151 23:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Also keep in mind President Eden can still be alive and kicking (figuratively) depending on how the player handles the encounter. If Eden survives and the player lets Autumn escape Project Purity we then have three potential Enclave leaders in play: Eden, Autumn, and whoever Autumn's replacement would be. I'm interested to see how Bethesda handles that. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it also possible for Raven Rock to not be destroyed? ~Unsigned 24 April 2009


 * Well yeah, I think there's a way you can just leave and there's no self-destruct, but you can't re-enter it. I think Raven Rock's old hat, and all of the Enclave retreated to Adams Air Force Base. Anyway, as in my file, if both Eden and Autumn are dead (or will be when I play through again), then who is left to keep things in order? Autumn, if spared, could conceivably return in the DLC, but that would push any new character out of the limelight; Eden is a stationary supercomputer and Raven Rock is locked out, so I don't see another face-to-face with him happening, unless Bethesda got extravagant and made him a remotely-controlled robot body or something. I think we've seen the last of those two, but Bethesda could surprise us (if the voice actors return). I really just want to see someone new. 74.215.110.151 02:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * President Eden takes over an innocent body of Liberty Prime... ouch... Well, I want to see a new bad guy too. Hope he will be more that "just human", maybe secretly a mutant. And hope he will be integrated into storyline not only by a character who say something like: "Oh, and one more thing, there is a one last commander of Enclave forces". Damn, I want boss battle. And hey, both Eden and Autumn, if survived, could be wiped out by this new Enclave leader... Master Mold 04:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * We've seen the President, and the Colonel is the leader of the Enclave Armed Forces. The only other thing that makes sense is... The Secret Service. There's no doubt that some of their personnel survived the defeat back in Fallout 2, and they would have likely gone with the Colonel when President Richardson died, if only to protect Eden. Therefore, I'm very sure we haven't seen the last of Frank Horrigan. Eden has files on every president, including Richardson. It's no stretch to say that he has files on the rest of the Enclave. And, Eden's personality is an amalgam of that of the previous presidents, so he likely has their memories on file. Upload Horrigan's personality into Liberty Prime's CPU, and you've got yourself a final boss. 216.41.198.73 18:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Good/Evil Choices?
Any good DLC by Bethesda would allow you to have the decision to make either a good choice, or an evil choice (such as in the DLC The Pitt) What would be the good or evil choices in this? I have a feeling the "Evil" choice would be to let The Enclave live by allowing them to escape to some undisclosed location (why they are probably at Adams Air Force Base.)

1) First time i play this i'll do it on my good character. I've "killed" Eden and blown up Ravenrock, and i also plan to kill Autumn.

2) But for my second go at it, i have another character saved before entering Little Lamplight. So i've still to do all of the parts at Ravenrock e.t.c. that shape the games current ending. On this save im going to agree to help Eden, and also allow Autumn to live.

I can only hope they've figured out a way to account for both of these possibilities, otherwise anyone who has used "option two" are probably going to have their saves corrupted judging by the previous DLC. I hope im wrong about that though.--Greig91 18:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, in interview on XPlay Bethesda said something about different endings meaning different state of Wasteland, and progress of BS...we'll see soon. (Just thinking...if FEV was supposed to kill pretty much everything living, why would Scribe give us quest to give it to people at Megaton?...) --D4rkSh4d0w 20:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Clean water...uhm, around purifier
Well, I hope Bethesda will actually do some parts of the water around Purifier clean aswell (0 rad when drinking)... It'd be stupid not to do so, but you know, lazy Game Developers... --D4rkSh4d0w 20:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping to see some development with the water beggers. DragonJTS 17:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point about those beggars...atleast remove them from around the Purifier (the bridge to Rivet City for example). D4rkSh4d0w 18:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

This whole purifier thing is going to make the Lead Belly perk even more useless..lol. But i think the water around the purifier will be clean, its kinda the whole point. Also i read theres a sub quest where you need to clear the way so that purified water can reach megaton, so they have thought about it.--Greig91 18:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea they said something about multiple deliver water type side quests, so the player will actually revisit some old zones or discover new...->more side quests he didn't done yet. D4rkSh4d0w 18:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

But what if you blew up Megaton? Would you just skip that and move on. My thoughts are maybe rewards for so many deliveries of fresh water, and missing Megaton, you might miss out on some gear. Although I don't want that to happen because I blew up Megaton....Remember theroies not facts, wont know until the 5th.

Perks?
Are Nerves of Steel and Puppies! the only 2 perks for the expansion or the only two announced so far? Has this been mentioned in any interviews?
 * They are the only announced ones.. Why would there only be TWO when your getting 10 more levels..? //--Teh Krush 01:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they changed it so you only get one perk every 5 levels?--92.234.175.62 02:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt it. Look at the Pitt. Before it was released, they announced 2 new weapons and no new armor (though 1 was shown in screenshots). We got several new weapons, and a bunch of new armor.

So I'd say they are just telling us about the two to get us excited, while leaving some for us to discover once we get it.67.211.81.140 03:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth

I'm hoping for a couple level 30 perks, now that the choice aspect of the level 20 perks is negated. DragonJTS 18:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind at all if those were the only new perks, it would just mean i could go back and get some of the good ones i missed out on before. If they do add new perks its just a bonus for me.

But i agree it would be cool to see some new ones for reaching level 30.--92.10.83.213 18:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

A few more would be nice, but honestly I'm probably going to use several of my levels after 20 to bump up my SPECIAL stats a bit higher.67.211.81.140 18:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Cavesloth
 * Same here. After applying a mess of equipment bonuses some of my better specials have gotten pretty low. DragonJTS 18:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't see Nerves of Steel being all that useful if you have Grim Reaper's Sprint unless you're fighting extremely tough characters or creatures that take more than one session in VATS to kill. I guess it's useful if your total AP is low or your weapon uses a lot of it. If I hadn't killed Commander Jabsco on both my characters, I would wait to test it out on him :p.

fubarmonkey 17:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Im going to use the new levels to get my last 3 Intense Training perks and bump my PER up to six so i can get the Better Criticals and Sniper perks. Then i'll be getting Puppies. That leaves me with four more perk slots, so if there aren't any new ones i'll just get some that i missed out on before reaching level 20.--Greig91 18:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Just use almost perfect if your desperate to get your special up high in one perk as it raises all skills below 9 to exactly nine,skills at 10 are unaffected Werewolfhell 16:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Confrontation
hey,who do you think will be the boss to cap the expansion off,id say autumn(if the player let him live) or frank horrigan,he'd be powerful,I mean who else can survive for at least a minute with no lower half,in fallout 1 and 2 as soon as someone lost there bottom half they died. Werewolfhell 14:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Aliens. Oh yeah. Fat Man Spoon 14:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Some sort of Enclave version of Liberty Prime that you need the Telsa Cannon for (called the "Vice President")? No idea... --Captain192 21:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Captain192

Hehehe, "Vice President"! That's some funny stuff. I can see it now...
 * Eden - And now my beautiful America, let's chat shall we? Let's talk about government shall we? Or more specifically, your government, dear America, the Enclave. Every President needs a successor or a right hand man, if you will. I have one, America. I give you... Vice President Prime!


 * "Vice President" Liberty Prime - Thank you Mr. President. Embrace Enclave rule or you will be terminated. The Brotherhood of Steel fails! Elder Lyons will fall! Embrace democracy, better democratic than problematic!


 * Eden - Very good, Prime. Very Good. So there you have it, my darling America. The Enclave is gaining in strength and America... is gaining in confidence. Till we meet again, this is President Eden - and our beloved Vice President Prime - signing off.

-- Five Dog (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC) Or maybe they'll use the chinese version... commietron. Who turns into a tank, because turning into a gun is too violent. "DEMOCRACY MAY WORK IN PRACTICE, BUT COMMUNISM WORKS IN THEORY" DragonJTS 13:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry guys, but my bets are on Liberty Prime getting destroyed by an orbital missile strike in the beginning of broken steel. Just look at the trailer.--Falubii 23:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

What about if you blew up Megaton?
What I'm wondering is what choices evil characters will get as far as water delivery. I don't want my evil chick to have to be a delivery person. It's degrading. Also, she blew up Megaton, so who would be receiving it? Or what if you didn't so much blow up Megaton as just kill all of it's citizens (although it seems the generic Megaton Residents respawn even after you've killed all it's residents of note).
 * I think this quest just don't turn up for you. The game is...intelligent enough...I think... --D4rkSh4d0w 17:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised they did not add a similar quest for Tenpenny Tower just in case you did blow up Megaton. It's... not really complete that way I believe. On the other hand, Megaton in involved in main quests, Tenpenny Tower is not. But still, doesnt feel right. --Radnus 81.205.186.16 15:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

finishing broken steel
So what if you finish broken steel? Is it still possible to roam the Capital Wasteland with Project Purity activated or is the game going to end? Anyone have ideas? —Preceding. Please sign your posts with ~ !

I'd imagine so, since broken steel was partially made to address the complaint you couldn't explore after the ending. DragonJTS 11:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think they already said they're removing ending and Broken Steel will not end the game. D4rkSh4d0w 11:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I did some searching on google and found this article: http://gamesblog.ugo.com/games/exclusive-fallout-3s-broken-steel-to-change-the-end-of-the-game. I think it answered my question. thanks for the input guys! Fallout-dude 206 23:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Conjecture on what will be accessible...
...Before the purifier is activated. Granted, we would have to activate the final quest to "access all that Broken Steel has to offer", but what do you think will be available to us immedeately? Overlords, Reavers, and maybe the fabled Albino Scorpion, or maybe the Enclave camps backed by a Hellfire Trooper or two? Wanderer Lao 01:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, as a tangental question, doesnt anyone think that this DLC is cloming out somewhat soon? The Pitt was already released not too long ago, and though they say they've been working on Broken Steel for a while, they had ample time for The Pitt, and that came out not too well opening day. I don't want to take down anyone's hopes or anything, but we ARE talking about Bethesda...Wanderer Lao 01:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's coming out on the 5th if that is what you mean.. //--Teh Krush 01:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are we talking about Bethesda? The Pitt DLC met my expectations, it was apparently Microsoft's fault for distributing the original corrupted version without checking it. The clean version of The Pitt turned out fine, completely glitch-free for me. I'm sure Broken Steel will also turn out well. -- Commdor /{Talk} 01:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Touche, sir, you have allayed my fears. I didn't know that the initial Pitt bugs came from Microsoft. I must research that further. 68.239.239.220 13:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's out tommorow yay <3 can't wait...xD D4rkSh4d0w 19:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I think my head will explode
Cause that trailer looked so damn awesome!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Then stay well away, I don't want that mess on ME. Fat Man Spoon 14:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Too late, it just did.

Dammit. And this was a new shirt. Fat Man Spoon 10:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

And this was a new head. 74.170.163.209 16:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Holy crap, WHAT ARE YOU???? Fat Man Spoon 16:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I am a clone, I killed all of the garies and found the way to clone myself. 74.170.163.209 18:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

O.O HOLY COW! eeerhm...I mean BRAHMIN! D4rkSh4d0w 19:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

HOLY FLYING FRANK HORRIGANS! 74.170.163.209 19:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Where? WHERE?? WHERE??? Fat Man Spoon 20:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

RIGHT HERE BIYATCH! Frank Horrigan 21:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

HOLY MOTHER OF Gob! Fat Man Spoon 21:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Is that it?
Any idea if the confirmed new enemies are the only ones added with Broken Steel? I hope there's more than just some ghouls, muties, and scorpions.173.76.39.31 15:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Ach, it's TunnelSnake, I can't sign in for some reason.

I'm sure there will be new raiders even though as you know they're all just named raiders.. I don't think we need a higher lvl deathclaw or a yao guai so what is there to add? Maybe a new Mirelurk or a mid-level buffed up molerat. My guess are that the Overlord, Reaver, Albino, Hellfire are about it. But I'm hoping on new versions on everything even a buffed up cockroach. 81.234.140.17 19:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

YEA, a radroach hopped up on buffout!

Lol, my ideas: Nukaroach, Jet-o-rat, Deathfingernail, Raider Beerbearer, Polar Yao Guai, Trihmin (3 headed brahmin), Super Mutant Overjerk, Enclave Buffout Trooper, etc D4rkSh4d0w 19:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

But im being seroius here, Buffroach or something like that, a radroach who got into a bottle of buffout and was permanently mutated, like it is a bit bigger, it is a bit green, and it's bites are stronger, feel free to improve if you want. 74.170.163.209 19:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

NUKABRAHMIN Vs BLOATFLY BOHEMOTH! This years ultimate fight! Who will win? I don't know! Place your bets. Fat Man Spoon 20:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

A bloatfly behemoth? I think i would be sick lol. The small ones digust me as they are, i don't want them any bigger. They look too real lol.--92.9.32.94 02:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Orbital strike imminent?
During the trailer you can hear liberty prime (or some robotic thing) Say, Warning: Orbital strike imminent, though others might have came up with this theory already, i think "death from above" may involve the use of the B.O.M.B space station,(read through the van buren page) launching missiles against the brotherhood or capital wasteland. --92.234.175.62 02:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought of that as well MaulYoda

You've seen the Old Olney Radar dishes, maybe that's why the enclave controls them. To bomb the Brotherhood of steel

Maybe there trying to kill liberty prime because he's is too powerful but by the looks of the video it doesn't look like a normal missle.Mikill 12:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the vertibird in the video (I saw the cockpit, it was the shape of the cockpit on the outside of the vertibirds) I think after liberty prime tells you to get your ass out of there, you get in the vertibird to escape, but if you dont then the orbital strike comes down and kills you, giving you the achievment! 74.170.163.209 16:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

except it's a quest achivement. Yuo get it for completing the quest.

ORBITAL SHOOP DA WHOOP!!!

BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

sorry, I just had to :) You say Potato I say Patortamyort 23:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I BAWWWWWD at the orbital strike. - Bot

Achievements
I went ahead and deleted the citation from trueachivements.com because the achievements are now listed on xbox.com which means they are legit achievements.--Falubii 21:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The 3:16 Vertibird to Olney Powerworks?
Yes, the title's an attempt at humor. But watching the trailer again, it's clear you're transported somewhere on a Vertibird captured from the Enclave; I think the destination is Olney Powerworks. Here's my idea: the Capital Wasteland is essentially unchangeable. The devs can change small things with the DLC, like NPCs or creating "doorways" to new areas (like the Train Tunnel to The Pitt and that collapsed metro tunnel to the previously nonexistent Bailey's Crossroads on O:A). They can't however, add in large areas, since that would distort the original Wasteland and upset the suspension of disbelief (you don't walk over a patch of land one day and come back the next to find a skyscraper). Therefore, Olney Powerworks won't be just outside Old Olney, but rather north of it, far enough to be outside the map. To get there, you ride with a Brotherhood assault force on Vertibirds. Hopefully in a matter of hours someone can confirm or disprove this. Unfortunately for me, my brother purposely deleted my Fallout 3 files, so I have to start from scratch just to get to the new stuff. -- Commdor /{Talk} 01:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a pretty solid theory actualy, i guess we'll have to wait and see. Oh and kick your brothers arse for deleting your save games. I would never stand for that lol.--92.9.32.94 02:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Confidentially, I already went and messed with his GTA IV games. Revenge is sweet. And I forgot to mention, if the rest of my theory is correct, then it's also likely that Olney Powerworks is a one-time location; i.e. you visit it, beat it, leave, and can never go back. It makes sense if the Brotherhood only needs to raid it for Tesla Cannon parts, there would be no real reason to go back, and I doubt they would have a fueled-up Vertibird waiting in front of the Purifier just to shuttle you back and forth on a whim. -- Commdor /{Talk} 02:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention the fact that at one point in the trailer it appears as though liberty prime lands from a large fall, possibly after being flown out to olney powerworks, and dropped on site?

Perks
Who else thinks the new perks kinda suck? //--TehK 11:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I read ya. Many are seriously ridiculous, and overpowered. Or otherwise useless, as they undo many limitations that otherwise make the game more challeging and fun. --Radnus 13:20 April 5 2009 CET (and BS PC download is corrupted at this moment)

The Karma ones are USELESS! And, the No Weaknesses is useless if you get Almost Perfect (which nobody will), and Nuclear Anomaly sounds kindof fun, aslong as the boom in kinda big and you don't die from it. //--TehK 11:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The only ones that seem useful are puppies, nuclear anomaly and the rad reducing ones.. others are just..meh--85.234.187.120 12:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Overpowered? That word doesn't make sense in this context. What could possibly be overpowered about any of this garbage? The only perks that are even worth considering are Nerves of Steel, Almost Perfect, and maybe Rad Absorption. The others are next to worthless. PositronicSpleen 13:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually Nerves of Steel is useless since grim reapers sprint pretty much beats it. And Almost Perfect is just plain unfair, it completely breaks several other perks (Intense Training and No Weaknesses).--85.234.187.120 14:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nerves of Steel is useful for things that can't be killed in one round of VATS or those wonderful times when the Mysterious Stranger shows up and kill steals.

Actually, I can't see that any of them are useless for everybody. Rather, many of them seem to be circumstance-specific. How does Almost Perfect "break" anything? You have to be LEVEL 30 to take it. You can take Intense Training at level 2. All this makes you do is decide how many perk slots you invest for early vs. late benefits. If you start using plasma rifles late in the game, does that make the Small Guns skill "broken?" The Karma ones are certainly not useless if you figure out how to use them properly. I can see them being very useful if you want to, say, nuke Megaton without having everybody think you're evil. Given the fact that the DLC has been out LESS THAN A DAY, maybe we should play around with them before passing judgement?

Only about 4 of them would serve any real purpose with a power gamer. The rest are things that would have been nice in the early level but serve no real purpose at this point in the game, or just flat out unnecessary. It really seems like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel with them.

They are completely useless. I spent a lot of time crack headin my character out so all his skills hit 100 and the SPECIAL were mostly at ten. Now i find out that they just threw you a perk so the 9 intense trainings i took became completly obsolete. I thought, "Hey I can just make a new character and recompensate so i dont waste so much on intense training." Thatd be fine if i hadnt put 70 hours into my current game. I feel lost.

What I'm wondering is if you use almost perfect and then wait to find all the SPECIAL bobbleheads, can you effectively max out all of them? I already collected all the bobbleheads so I'd feel jipped if they didn't count at all and all my skills just go to 9

The almost perfect perk reads "All main SPECIAL stats are raised to 9.". What are the main stats? Is it all of them, or just some? I'm starting over and saving the bobble heads for the end. Is this all for not?--173.25.131.162 01:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

wanna know what i think? i think that many people bought this game(i had) because it looks realistic and i also can go with plasma rifles(because its the future(AND IT LOOKS AWESOME!!)) but the perk ""nuclear atonamy"" is just plain fucking stupid because there is no ******* reason for it, it doesn't make sense, if you're low on health you'll explode without harming you with the power of a mini nuke? forget it(thats just like waking a perk were you have pshycic powers and you can control people and make there heads explodeHalfgod 19:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you could be a superhero with that power, yea, ever think of that before writing this? Oh btw, the master from fallout 1 had psychic powers, which I think he could kill with.

so that is the game in the fallout 3 ultimately becoming a superhero? i thought it was about survival. and those perks don't have a logical reason, nuclear anomaly? whats the story just because you have a perk explains it all? and it doesn't even fit in the fallout genre(having superpowers (and its useless if you have followers and most enemies that can drop you're hp to that point arent melee) so chose your perks wisely Bethesda because: THIS         IS                 SPARTA!!!!! Halfgod 17:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The perks are pathetic. Almost Pefect makes several quests irrelevant (No reason to do those or big trouble in big town now since the stat increases don't matter) and is pretty weak for a level 30 perk - compared to Grim Reaper's it should be called "Almost Useless." Party Boy / Girl is useless (how often do you really use alcohol?), Puppies is useless (Dogmeat is extremely tough even at high levels - if he is dying, you shouldn't be bringing him with you), Nerves of Steel sucks (Grim Reaper's is better and you now get to choose 2 level 20 perks, so you can have both Grim Reaper's and Ninja if you want it), Nuclear Anomoly is retarded (at level 30 how many times are you really going to get dropped to 20 health? At that level your character should be functionally invincible). The Karma perks are beyond retar4ded because there are already ways to achieve what they do in the game without perks very easily (donate to the church to gain karma, kill / enslave people for karma loss). The ONLY, and i mean ONLY perk worth taking from Broken Steel is Quantum Chemist, and even that perk isn't all that great - it just lets you use more Nuka Grenades, which should one shot anything you fight since you can easily skill cap in every skill well before level 30.

Maybe the perks are inconsistent because they weren't planned for during development. Raising the level cap by 10 involves more than code if you're going to keep balanced gameplay. I'd have liked a perk that allows multiple followers (Cult Leader?) but having the GAME OVER ending replaced is good enough for me.

Named Brothers of Steel Missing
What happened to most of the named Brothers of Steel that used to be around? Paladin Bael is missing, as are my Lyon's Pride survivors, Glade, Kodiak, and Vargas. As well as the Initiates of the Citadel. Where are all of them? Anyone know? --- Fireman0504
 * I found Kodiak in the Great Hall. Have been unable to locate the others, so far. --Abbitha7 00:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I found Kodiak and Glade in the Den. Rest are still missing. --- Fireman0504

Avoid listening to GNR if you don't want spoilers
Bug: Three Dog spouts info related to the assault on project purity and the its aftermath even before it has happened. *sigh* Bbcode 15:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Good thing I killed him. 74.170.163.209 17:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Have they fixed the bug that stops him from talking after you hit level 20? --65.101.153.31 01:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

All Clear Signal for xbox 360 players?
I am waiting for the all clear signal to download Broken Steel for the 360, IS IT SAFE!??!

There's believed to be isolated cases of bugs but it's generally ok.

I have gotten 60 achievement point from the DLC, yet my gamerscore still only displays 1200/1200 and the 60 have not been added to my total gamescore. Anyone else have this happen? ~TinyPenguininja

Yup... but I don't really care about gamerscore... the expansion is SWWWEEEEETTT!!! --- Fireman0504

To TinyPenguininja: Bethesda has stated that the achievement matter has already been reported and will be solved (patched?) ASAP. Lurking around, i found a BS employee interview stating that "No one will lose his/her points". Still, they have probably have more urgent matters to take care of, like the PC version failboat. Maybe it wouldn't be all that bad to start the game all over to try and get them again... ~Mister C.

I have yet to run into any type of bug so far after a couple hours of game play. I'd go ahead and buy it. ~McRad

I hope they release a patch soon. Many of the scripts and speeches are off in the Citadel. The Initiates who usually do pushups are stuck sleeping, and there are a bunch of characters missing. They aren't major issues... just annoying little glitches.

Off topic question: where are the overlords, they are a bitch to find!

yeah its safe finished main quests and side quests without any problems--rtxh

I dont have the script clitch, everything is fine. GREAAAAAAAAAAAAT ADD-ON!

I beat it in three hours, didn't get any glitches at all, and the gamerscore is working fine for me.

Well, my fails to work, during Take IT Back, Liberty Prime just stands still and won't move for anything. Also, half of the Enclave soldiers are swimming in the river.

I haven't had any problems after playing for 4 hours, besides the fact that I can't find a few people at the Citadel. I'd download it. It's great! Abbitha7 00:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

After downloading my game crashed several times. Let's face it though, Fallout likes to crash if you're standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only new bug I ran into was inside project purity towards the end of the main quest. After talking to doctor Li on the intercom Sarah Lyons just stood there and kept saying "lets secure the area before doing anything else." After plugging in my ethernet cable and restarting the console, however, an add-on popped up. After downloading the game progressed normally. And props to Bethesda for totally unscrewing the ending! I was able to use Fawkes to start Project Purity! The add-on began normally with Elder Lyons stating that I'd been knocked out when the energy spiked. The only down-side is Ron Perlman made me sound like an asshole during the end-clip following Project Purities startup. He said I allowed a true hero to make the sacrifice (even though Fawkes survives). It was worth watching Fawkes kick the console in frustration though!

I'm running into the same issues as the above player stated... After the download (even w/ connection to internet) Lions just keeps saying, "lets make sure the area is locked down"/ "lets make sure the area is sucure before we do anything else" and I cannot advance past killing the people inside the purifier... 98.234.79.168 20:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Neospyd3r

To fix the Setinal Lyons "Let's make sure the area is secured" glitch; just download the 1.5 patch.

house?
maybe a stupid question but will there be a new house in broken steel? heard it on a forum in this wiki (with a long titel)