Talk:Fallout 3 cultural references/Archive 2

Removal of Star Trek reference
I noticed that someone removed my "talking Eden to death" reference to Star Trek. I thought that was a pretty clear reference, as the plot device of "talking a computer to death" was practically a running gag in the Original Series. Unless there's some documentation or someone can convince me otherwise, I'd prefer to keep that one in. Toad of Steel 15:28, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Day the Earth Stood Still, The
The design of the Enclave Eyebot Helmet greatly resembles the helmet worn by the alien protagonist Klaatu at the beginning of the film.

Starcraft Expansion
The "Please state the nature of the medical emergency" that was attributed to the good doctor in Star Trek Voyager is also said by the Medic in Star Craft Brood War.
 * In that case, Star Craft Brood War is referencing the same thing that Fallout 3 is: parallel reference. We don't cover those on this wiki.--Gothemasticator 06:30, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

It
Recently, I watched the movie 'It' and found that the character Henry Bauer was very similar to Butch; they both have the same hairstyle, they both have leather-jacketed gangs, they're bullies and Henry uses a switch blade to threaten kids and as a weapon, very much like Butch and his 'Toothpick'. So, could Butch Deloria be a reference to Henry Bauer from Stephen King's movie It?--A friendly contributor 14:16, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * 1950s-style leather-jacketed switch-blade-wielding bullies with that haircut are a stereo/arch-type. They're a dime-a-dozen - present in innumerable works of fiction. No reference.--Gothemasticator 02:03, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Billy Idol?
I feel like the unmarked missionA Nice Day for a Right Wedding is a reference to Billy Idol's song "White Wedding," not only in title, but in content. In the music video for the song Idol forces the bride to marry him much like the woman in the mission. I think it should be added. Snydertrumpet5 03:21, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That's legit. Go ahead.--Gothemasticator 03:28, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * It won't let me edit the page. It says it has been locked to prevent editing. Snydertrumpet5 07:36, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I put it in for you. But, something wrong with your user account?--Gothemasticator 08:20, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

V for Vendetta
I know the Guy Fawkes reference has already been added, but I think that the whole purpose of Vault 87 as well as the character Fawkes in Fallout 3 are a reference to Alan Moore's 1982 comic book V for Vendetta. Here's why: There are some other minor resemblances between the two stories, but these ought o be the most obvious.
 * In the comic, people were incarcerated in a government facility, where they were injected with a new biological compound called "Batch 5" for testing purposes. This compound caused massive cellular anomalies killing all but one of the test subjects. Indeed very similar to the inhabitants of Vault 87 being injected with te FEV.
 * Also, the sole survivor of these experiments and main protagonist of V for Vendetta is the prisoner from cell number five. This also applies for Fawkes, as can be seen when accessing the panel next to his cell.
 * Lastly, the protagonist in V for Vendetta uses a mask that resembles the appearance of Guy Fawkes (hence the name of the Fallout 3 character) to conceal his identity, is heavily disfigured and has most likely enhanced physical abilities due to the effects of "Batch 5".

All the information can be found and verified in the Wikipedia article for V for Vendetta. --Gabriel 217.6.145.246 10:21, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Raven Rock
The Enclave Base, "Raven Rock," has the same name as the Solstheim Colony from the Bethesda game Morrowind. This is definitely an easter egg.

I cant believe i didnt see this immediately.Would someone care to add or give permission for me to add this to the article? DisturbiaWolf13 19:23, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Recycling of materials (names, quest plots, voice actors, etc.) from past Bethesda titles does not constitute a cultural reference.--Gothemasticator 19:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Whack a Mole Rat
Outside of the Arlington Bridge entrance to the County Sewer Mainline I found a Super Mutant Master with a Sledge Hammer running around trying to kill Mole Rats. I killed the Mutant and, even though I had Animal Friend the only Mole Rat left was hostile. But instead of attacking he would run a fwe meters away and then look at me and... laugh. I don't take too kindly to a Mole mocking me, so I shot him in the face. Anyway, I found that to be a reference to the game Whack a Mole as you try to whack a mole with a hammer. I couldn't find anything about this on the site, so I put is here. P.S. I don't really know if this is a reference, I find it more of an Easter Egg.--I'm not a user 11:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing this out, there is an even more direct reference to whack a mole in the game where, compleeting the molerat repelent segment of wasteland survival guide, your pc has the optinon of saying "I like explosive whack a mole, can I get it in bullet form? for humans?" also do you think the picture in the animal friend perk might be a reference to something, maby loonytoons?Superinsomniac 03:49, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Guidelines
The guidelines on the page are way too extensive. They are editing advice and as such should be here on the talk page and not in the article itself. The current setup is a bit like starting a newspaper article with a one-page section about how to write newspaper articles. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Moved them. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a little late, but thank you. Page looks much better now.--Gothemasticator 23:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Winthrop
The name Winthrop may be derived from the '50s B movie, Fiend Without A Face. I thought I'd query it here before an edit.

See here:

and here:

Any thoughts before I edit?

--Darkdesign1961 21:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems reeeeeally sketchy, but conceivable. Be nice if anything could be turned up in Winthrop's dialogue that hinted at the movie. &mdash;Chaos5023 21:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Point taken. I'll leave it, I think. No need to bloat the page.

--Darkdesign1961 21:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

To re-open this, note that the plot of the film I mentioned above concerned an invasion by disembodied brains, somewhat like Professor Calvert.--Darkdesign1961 09:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sergeant RL-3
I took the liberty of adding a reference to US General of the Army Douglas MacArthur. After telling Sgt. RL-3 to wait, talking to him again, and telling him that you were just checking to see if he was still there, he will state, "Old warbots never die! We just rust away." This is an obvious reference to MacArthur's farewell speech after being retired by President Truman.

--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 01:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Princess Bride
When you activate the potectron in the Old Olney sewers, it will state "Pests of unusual size detected". this seems like a referance to the "Rodents of unusual size" found in the Princess Bride.

Tek Jansen
If I understand correctly, the entry is based on a)If you plant eyeglasses on him so he'll wear them, he looks like Colbert; b) He is gung-ho and gets captured; c) His name is Jensen. A) He doesn't look like Tek Jansen, and I don't think the resemblance to Colbert is "uncanny" or indeed anything to write home about. B) He is captured when you meet him; I don't think that counts as a "propensity." And he's Brotherhood; they're gung-ho. His voice doesn't resemble Colbert's. His vocal mannerisms don't resemble Colbert's. He lacks any of the charachteristic lines of Colbert or Tek Jansen. C) Being named "Jansen" or especially "Tek" would've taken the argument farther. "Jensen" just doesn't add up. Anyone else care to weigh in?--Gothemasticator 11:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I moved this up from the archive page because the entry has just been reinserted on the article page. I still hold by the above argument. Would the author of the entry or anyone else care to weigh in?--Gothemasticator 09:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed.--Gothemasticator 02:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Jansen has a nasty habit of getting captured. So does Jensen.

Jansen has a very Colbert-ish hairstyle. So does Jensen.

There's not enough Colbert references. Nitty 02:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Half-life
I was thinking about adding this into the real list, but i didnt know how to do it.

The Prototype Medic Power Armor is presumeably a reference to the H.E.V (Hazardous EnViornmental) suit used by Gordon Freeman in the half-life series, in which Gordon Freeman's suit is known to also vocalize the player's current health status, as well as administer medicine at appropriate times.

This has been brought up before. I wouldn't put it in. Suits that perform these functions are pretty generic in sci-fi settings.--Gothemasticator 02:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Catcher In The Rye
The current entry says that Tom and Mary Holden are quoting The Catcher In The Rye before they run to their deaths. I just played through, and all I heard them saying was something close to, "We can make it out of here, just like the doctor." "Tom, don't!" "It's me, Tom Holden!" Bang bang. Am I missing something? Without some confirmation, I'm going to take it out in a few days.--Gothemasticator 02:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I think those lines are the reference. I haven't read the book, though. Nitty 02:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * removed. I have read the book and have no idea how those lines can be construed as quoting. It's been some years since I read it, but without any confirmation I don't buy it.--Gothemasticator 04:53, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Catcher is my favorite book, and I don't recall any lines like that. Jack "the drifter" vance

I think the reference is to the scene in the book when Holden goes on his date with Sally Hayes and tells her they can run away. Far away. She tells him its not a good idea, but he still wants to do it... that is the reference there. 1/1/15

No Country For Old Men
I removed this once before. Someone please convince me if I am wrong. But in the movie, the shootout does not remain in the hotel room. The two men shoot it out all over the street. Also, shotguns and a suitcase in a hotel room is a pretty generic scene in all sorts of fiction. I'm failing to see the close connection to No Country. I'll let it sit for a few days, so people can weigh in. But without further confirmation, I'll remove it.--Gothemasticator 02:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It sounds plausible, a guy with a suitcase full of money that has a sensor hidden in it does sounds very familiar to no country for old men to the suitcase in the movie, and even then it could just be a soft reference not copying any particular scene in the movie just having the important items the characters in the movie, or as close as they can copy with the items in the game like a sawed-off shotgun, the main guy in the movie he didn't actually use a double barrel sawed-off he used a pump shotgun that he sawed the rest of the barrel off of. And Sugar, he didn't actually use a double barrel, he used a silenced pump shotgun so the double barrel had to sub for the silenced pump shotgun. Shadowrunner56 03:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of what you just said is my point: it may sound familiar, but men with guns fighting over a suitcase of money is not specific to No Country. It is in movies back to the 1920s! And, as you have pointed out, none of the details are exact matches to No Country. They're all just similar. I remain unconvinced.--Gothemasticator 09:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can delete if you want then as it seems no one else is objecting to it's deletion. Shadowrunner56 21:43, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * removed--Gothemasticator 04:52, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

The Running Man (movie not book)
In the start of The Running Man there is the scene where Ben Richards is in prison, in this prison the prisoners each wear a special electronic collar similar to the ones used by the Slavers of Paridise Falls, when the prisoners pass through the perimeter of the prison the collars activate and blow the escapist's head off just like the Slave Collars

Not particular to The Running Man. Also present in many many works of fiction, including Battlefield Earth and MacGyver. See here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.ExplosiveLeash.--Gothemasticator 23:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Also the line "You can't stop the signal!" originally comes from this movie, when the rebels are trying to take over the broadcast.
 * Care to back that up? The rest of us know that it is from Serenity. But if it is originally from Running Man, I'd be glad to learn. And please sign your entries.--Gothemasticator 18:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

also after carefull inspection i noticed the presumed Sugar skeleton had a brace on its leg just like the injury in the movie i think this is with out a doubt A no country for old men refrence

Numerous... Questionable Entries
Besides a couple of repeated "references" (which I don't have time to correct, heck, I don't currently have enough time to find my login), I found a couple references that seem far TOO specific. As in, anyone could say these remarks or perform these actions, and not be labeled as referencing obscure works. These are:
 * Armitage III (They only share name and race (android). I think it could be the US's 13th United States Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage.)
 * It couldn't actually be the Secretary of State, since he is not an android. I am not familiar with Armitage III, but I am familiar enough with android fiction to know that there aren't any other androids named Armitage out there. So, it seems likely enough to me.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Frisky Dingo (Let me quote Wikipedia's Character synopsis to show how ridiculus this is: "Her radioactive exposure splits her personality, creating the alter ego Antagone. Antagone has strength proportional to that of an ant, commands ants, can spit formic acid, and has substantially larger breasts than Grace." Where are the Antagonizer's larger breasts?)
 * My guess is that it is a coincidence. Having a woman who can control ants be named something like Antagone, the Antagonizer, Antithesis, etc., is just too easy of a move for the writer. But again, I am not familiar with Frisky Dingo at all, so I have left it in, because at least the similarities are there.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lost (If it was the full sequence of numbers, that would be convincing, but it could be a coincidence)
 * Have you lurked on any boards where Lost is discussed? There are no coincidences, man. Seriously, I don't watch the show, but I'm prepared to buy this one from what I know of the show.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Music Man, The (Far too general a term.)
 * This one is right on, actually. Just play through that scene in the game. I think the reference is clear and funny.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Schindler's List (Anyone can shoot from a tower at those they deem less than (see Charles Whitman)).
 * I agree that this one is also iffy. But, saying anyone can is very different from saying that it so common a cultural trope as to be generic. I personally don't buy it, but I can't argue against it. So, I haven't removed it.
 * Yogi Bear. Yao Guai means "monster" in modern Mandarin Chinese, and it's similarity to Yogi Bear is only a coincidence drawn from a mispronounciation. It is pronounced "yow-gwigh" not "yow-gwee".
 * Look on the archived page for numerous arguments about this entry. I have come to the conclusion that it is meant to be a reference/joke. I think it's a bad pun, one that I would respond to with a stern look or a groan, but I think it was meant as a pun, nonetheless. Why? Because "yao guai" doesn't mean "bear." It means, as you said, monster or demon. So, why make them bears in the game if not to try for a bad Yogi Bear pun?--Gothemasticator 22:59, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

What do you guys think? --174.103.224.13 04:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you think it's sketchy now, look back about a month and a half. Right now this page is no longer an embarrassment.--Gothemasticator 09:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hitler Youth
Everyone getting a pipboy at age 10 may be a reference to children in Nazi Germany being forced to join the Hitler youth at age 10.
 * The whole personality of the Overseer may be a refrence to Hitler, such as his total control of the vault, and probably most notably, his 'trying to keep the vault pure' (ring a bell with Hitler?) --TheFrogger 19:51, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * HMM, I can think of forty thousand OTHER things that have to do with the age of 10, from Pacific island rituals to every kid getting their starter Pokemon, but of all the things that one could troll about on the Internet, it has to be Hitler. Absolutely not. Nitty 00:33, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, Godwin's Law, what would we do without you?

I believe that the overseer is more likeley a reference to stalin, or another communist dictator (fidel, he is hispanic) in that he tends to rule with an Iron Fist, and I don't think the pip boy at age 10 is a reference to anything, they needed a reason to put such an essential item into the storyline so they added the tenth birthday party to the mix, however the pipboy it self might be a reference to something, however, I don't know of what.Superinsomniac 03:40, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

There's a thing called 'overanalyzing'. You're doing it right now. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:40, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

New Easter Egg Found!
I can't believe this hasn't been noticed before, but the whole doctor (hold still this wont hurt a bit) scene of fallout 3 is from half life! it does the exact same thing in half life when you get one of the doctors. It may just be a coincidence, but i seriously doubt it.

You know what is also always a reference to Half-Life? ==> Crowbars!!

Palmer Soviet spies
Palmer wad a russian immigrant in the usa with the troubles in the country and other stuff palmer went against russian politics in the us govermen which then deported more than 200 russians accuse as spies trying to overthrow the goverment With chinese communist spies and mama dolces being a recruiter maybe old lady Palmers name was taken from the russian woman Palmer i dont know her 1st name

Only Cultural References?
I was under the impression that an Easter Egg was an intentional hidden message, in-joke, or feature. It seems that this article only includes cultural references, which are only one type of Easter Egg. I was going to add the teddy bear with a bottle of whiskey, shot glass, ashtray, and cigarette, found in Old Olney Underground.


 * And I just realized the pages title was Cultural References in Fallout 3. Easter Eggs redirects here, however, so it might be a good idea to start a separate page for non-cultural reference easter eggs.

Protectron is featured in Gremlins the movie
you can see the Protectron that sits outside megaton (the one with cowboy hat) in the movie Gremlins. when the dad call from the inventor convention you see it in the phone booth behind him. --98.150.253.51 08:49, October 27, 2009 (UTC)Picky33
 * The Protectron is "inspired" by 1950's sci-fi style robots, like this one: http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&source=hp&q=robby+the+robot&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=. The movie Gremlins is hearkening back to the same robots from the same era. This is what we call a parallel reference.--Gothemasticator 09:06, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

The Protectron doesn't look like a generic 1950's style robot, it just looks like Robby the Robot from The Forbidden Planet. It's a pretty clear visual reference and a very strong resemblance. Robby also starred in The Invisible Boy made a year later and went on to make quite a few cameo appearances on film and TV, including Gremlins.


 * Yeah. And the link I provided above is to Robby the Robot. And, Robby the Robot is now on various article pages, having replaced less-informed references. And sign your posts.--Gothemasticator 20:24, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Abraham Washington and lincons repeater
I added a couple of references and made some changes to another one, and just wanted to make sure that I am ok with the guidelines, the change involves the "Lincoln, Abraham" section where it origionally said the dogs name four score, I added the word Abolishionists (not sure if I spelled the right one) to point out that four score is the abolishonist's dog as the origional was a bit vague in which dog was being referred

I also added lincoln's repeater, to that section because I believe that it is a reference to Abraham Lincoln,

I also added Abraham Washington to the Lincoln section and created a George Washington section with Abraham washington added as well, since his name is odviously a reference to both Abraham lincoln and George Washington.

The reason I am leaveing this message is that I simply want to confirm that these addithios are ok Superinsomniac 03:33, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your additions to the page! Some notes on using links... I took the word "abolishonists'" out because Four Score is linked. Anyone who wants to know more can click the link. I also added links to Abraham Washington and Lincoln's Repeater. If you could link to something, prefereably wikipedia, regarding Lincoln's Henry Rifle, that would make the entry even better. Effective linking helps keep this page uncluttered and informative at the same time.--Gothemasticator 09:18, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Flags of Our Fathers
I'd say this reference is unintentional, since it's more likely it's a literal reference to the anchorage war memorial, which is a statue of the photo. So in my opinion it's an ingame reference more than a reference to Flags of our Fathers.


 * Your're right about noticing this but I think you can take it even further. It is a reference to the news paper picture which was published when Iwo Jima was conquered after a long and bloody fight. If there was a reference to D-Day in the game you wouldn't say it is a reference to the Saving private Ryan movie. The picture of the marines raising the flag was likely posed some time after they had conquered the island to get a nice picture for the press and the people just like the photo of the Red army soldiers putting the Russian flag on the Reichstag. I think in the flags of our fathers movie they also notice that. So I would change the reference to the historical moment since that formed the base for the flags of our fathers movie, the scene in the game and the in-game anchorage memorial.87.211.193.250 21:44, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the original flag was raised by Marines and then taken down and sent to Washington. The photograph was taken when a second flag was being erected. Oh, and the fighting on Iwo Jima was still very much going on when it was erected. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 02:02, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the history lesson ;), but don't you think i should edit it?87.211.193.250 19:02, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Cultural Reference
Our Little Secret acquired from Old Man Harris in Andale. Possibly a reference to the '89 movie Parents starring Randy Quaid as the father. It is a story about a young boy who questions the meat his parents cook for dinner. Turns out his suspicions are correct. His parents are cannibals, and in the Andale quests, the "strange meat" found in the shack/basement belonged to humans at one point in time. 75.60.6.181 08:22, November 5, 2009 (UTC)AC
 * Spoiler Alert!*
 * There are only generic similarities. There's no actual reference to the movie.--Gothemasticator 09:09, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

possible reference to futurama (though more likeley an unintentional coincidence)
I am talking about the church of atom, and how they worship an unexploded nuclear bomb. I was watching an episode of futurama last night and they came across some sewer mutants who worshiped an unexploded nuclear bomb, though to them it was more of an easter and christmas thing. Though I do think that this reference is unlikeley, I think that it might still be a reference to some other movie, though I don't know what.Superinsomniac 00:46, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Beneath the Planet of the Apes. It's already referenced in the article. Also, Futurama is a show which exists almost solely to make cultural references, so pretty much anything from that show would be a parallel reference.--Gothemasticator 00:48, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Red Army Propagand's
Few propagand on the wall (Civil defensse administration "where will you be when the holocaust comes?") are the same than soviet red army recrutement ("Ты запишешьсия в доброжим")
 * Oh, that is wonderful! I have no time right now, nor am I any good with pic files on the wiki, so if someone else can resize that file and make an entry on the article page, that would be great.--Gothemasticator 23:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I re-sized it on the talk page, just copy it in. - RASICTalk 00:17, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Entry added.--Gothemasticator 10:06, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yao Guai is Yogi Bear?
I think the one who comes up with this ideal is totally nuts, i dont see any link between Yao Guai and Yogi Bear, not even the meaning and the words itself, actually i'm a chinese and in chinese Yao Guai Means Monster(妖Yao怪Guai）, Yao Guai is the "Hanyu pinyin" of "妖怪" of chinese language. And by the way i forgot to mention, "hanyu pinyin" is a way of pronouncing chinese with english letters. So in the end....hm... Yogi Bear Still?
 * Please read the bottom two sections on Talk:Yao Guai page. If you can shed any new light on the issue, please do.--Gothemasticator 20:33, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Grognak the barbarian cover
Am I the only person who noticed that the axe being wielded by Grognak on the cover of the comic looks almost identical to the Iron Battleaxe from TES 04: Oblivion?

Go to http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/6/6b/OB-items-Battle_Axes.jpg to see the iron battleaxe from Oblivion (It's the axe on the top left)

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/a/a2/Hubris_Comics_(company).png/235px-Hubris_Comics_(company).png now look at the axe on the comic cover See the identical axes?


 * Aye, I've added that in. I thought it was already here, but it might just be on the Grognak page... Nitty Tok. 16:38, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I took it out. It's another re-use of previous game assets, not a reference. In this case, if I had to guess, I would suppose that the artist(s) responsible for the Grognak cover also worked on Oblivion, so I'm not much surprised if they draw him with one of the Oblivion axes.--Gothemasticator 20:46, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a re-use, it had to be "cartoonized" for the comic book. Nitty Tok. 20:47, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it was put there as a "Hey that looks familiar..." easter egg. --MadCat221 06:29, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * definetly agree, you might want to put it back87.211.193.250 21:45, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * See the section directly below this. We will not be covering any similarities to past Beth titles.--Gothemasticator 22:09, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Snubbing the Elder Scrolls references?
Why are the Elder Scrolls references completely omitted? I can understand the bit about voice actors, but I hardly think something like the Sweet Roll Scenario or the Grognak iron weapons is just a "re-use".

By this logic, the fact that the Interplay logo is the Chevy Chase statue should be omitted too since it is just as much a 're-used asset' as the Elder Scrolls iron weapons on the cover of Grognak.

--MadCat221 06:28, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Including assets, materials or content from one's own past games is not a cultural reference. It's just re-using in-house materials. All of Bethesda's games do this, and it is not notable. We will not cover it on this wiki.--Gothemasticator 07:08, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Interplay logo is not material from past Bethesda titles. It is the logo of the company Bethesda bought the game license from. Not a re-used asset but a deliberate homage to the parent company of Fallout.
 * In addition, the one exception to the Bethesda rule is the unique plate found on the telephone pole outside of Big Town. It is listed and pictured on this article page. That was not a re-use of anything but a deliberate naming of a past work of which Bethesda was proud. Like George Lucas including the inscription THX-1138 in every one of his works as an homage to his own first film. Not a reuse of ideas or content, but the inclusion of a hard-to-spot, but direct naming of another title.--Gothemasticator 07:14, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Dinosaurs
Apparently Point Lookout holds the skeleton of a T-rex in the water, as seen by this video. Worth mentioning? Tzaro the Outcast 21:30, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would we mention it here? What is it a reference to?--Gothemasticator 21:36, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't see any real "Easter Egg" page, so this was the only place I could think of mentioning it. Tzaro the Outcast 21:38, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is really just for specific cultural references. The dinosaur skeleton could be entered under "Notes" on the appropriate Point Lookout location page.--Gothemasticator 21:50, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Little Boy
In the Fallout 3 ad for the Fat Man, a little boy is seen holding and firing it. Might this be a reference to the nuclear bomb dropped over Hiroshima, as "Fat Man" was the bomb dropped over Nagasaki? 85.3.226.106 17:09, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Cool Hand Luke
In Paradise Falls, the "box" seems to be a reference to the punishment of the same name in the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvwqK2gn3S0
 * "The box" is common prison slang (at least in fiction) and not particular to Cool Hand Luke. No reference there to the movie.--Gothemasticator 06:18, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

wtf happeaned to star wars?
there used to be a star wars section, whered it go? i rember some distinc refs. to star wars. like in mother ship zeta theres “What an incredible smell you’ve discovered!” and it think some where on the map, theres TK-421 wich is the storm trooper luke stole the armor he used in the death star from. and i think theres something near it on the map that said somthing like dba23, which leai was trapped in detention block aa 23. i think theres a couple other as well, but im no expert

never mind about the tk-421 and dententione block thing, those were fallout 2.

Black Isle
Hey, have the Isla Negra Holdings and the USS Ebon Atoll been mentioned or removed for the references to Black Isle Studios at all? Nitty Tok. 23:53, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly not removed. Guess they just never made it onto the main article page.--Gothemasticator 03:40, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoo! I'll put those in. Nitty Tok. 03:42, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Judge Dredd
The Regulators sometimes say the line "We are the law" and Judge Dredd's catchphrase is "I am the law". Ordinarily I wouldn't think that there was an intentional link with a line like this, but considering the Regulators essentially do the same work as the judges...
 * Saying "I am the law" or "We are the law" did not originate with Judge Dredd. It's as old as laws and lawmakers. No reference.--Gothemasticator 09:05, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

So to play devil's advocate, hypothetically if Fallout 3 contained a robot or android that said the words "I'll be back", you wouldn't accept that as a Terminator reference? Because people have been informing each other of their desire to return to a set destination for a while I should think.
 * Right. If they said it with an accent, you've got yourself a reference. If they said it straight, probably not.--Gothemasticator 18:09, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Full Metal Jacket Reference?
Hey in Point Lookout in the detention center I found a skeleton on a toilet with an assault rifle beside him. It was in one of the buildings there.

Would that be a reference or did I just drop that there by mistake?
 * I'm skeptical, simply because of the way the game distributes loot and objects. I mean, it's possible that the devs had something in mind when they placed things, but if the result is that we the players can't really tell if it's specifically a reference or just a random similarity, then it remains just an in-joke in the mind of the guy who placed it there. I really don't think we should be listing things that just might be, possibly, a reference. We should stick to things that are pretty clear and definite.--Gothemasticator 18:56, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cram/Spam Reference
I believe cram is the food ingested by men in the hobbit, sorry that my memory is vague but im 100% sure that its in the book somewhere described along the lines of "bland and tasteless". It is also available to pick up in the computer game "The Fellowship of the Ring", I think only when you play as Aragorn. I apologise for my vagueness but if anybody finds this to be an accurate reference could they please add it?

Star Trek: Miri (Original Series)
In the original Star Trek series, an episode called "Miri" centered around a world where the entire population was children. They referred to anyone older than 16 as "grups", and ostracized them. While the reason for this hostility toward older people is different from Little Lamplight (upon turning 16, people developed a horrific disease and went insane), I can't believe it's a coincidence. Everything about the area reminded me of the Star Trek episode - I had to go look up the original reference just to see if they weren't called "mungos" in the Star Trek episode too. Just a note.
 * This same idea is present all over scifi, as well as in more "classic" literature. See, for instance, Lord of the Flies, a wonderful book if you haven't read it. Star Trek was certainly not original in the use of this plot device, and it has become so prevalent as to become "stock." Little Lamplight is not a reference to any particular antecedant.--Gothemasticator 08:29, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I saw someone else noted the "Rodents of Unusual Size" reference from Princess Bride. That wording is a little too cumbersome ("Pests of Unusual Size") to be anything but a nod to the Rob Reiner classic.

Howard Hughes Reference and a weigh in on the Full Metal Jacket soldier.
One I haven't seen mentioned. There are a line of empty nuka-cola bottles outside Alaistair Tenpenny's (I believe its his suite, one of the rooms) suite in Tenpenny Tower. Howard Hughes was an eccentric, fabulously wealthy pioneer and capitalist that made an astronomical fortune taking advantage of the events that unfolded around him. He eventually went all but entirely insane and became a fanatical germophobe, going so far as to urinate in bottles and line them up outside his door to be collected by his staff for fear of leaving his room to use the washroom. Pretty sure thats an exact match.

As for the Full Metal Jacket soldier I find it surprising you have any doubt whatsoever that this is a direct reference.. Being arguably the most recognizable scenes in one of the the most recognizable war films of all time and given that the positioning of the entire scene is nearly identical to the supposed aftermath had Pyle's body not been removed after his suicide, I find it to be a pretty dubious claim that it is not almost certainly a direct reference.

I challenge you to find any similar scene in any other popular media that is in no way referencing FMJ to prove me wrong.


 * The Howard Hughes thing is written up on Allistair Tenpenny's page. No one would object to it being reproduced here.


 * As to Full Metal Jacket, let's see some comparison pics, if your point is striking visual similarity. If screenshots and movie captures really are similar, it'll stand.--Gothemasticator 07:57, April 29, 2010 (UTC)