Talk:Horowitz

What is Horowitz's refid or prid? How can that info be found? I can't find him in Vault 34, and when I reroute control, they don't show up in Aerotech Suite later either? TheTrueBlue 20:40, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should wait a few days. He and about four others will show up. 20:46, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * But why should I save them at all if I don't even know if they exist? I go through a deserted vault filled with ghouls, see no sign of human life, find an SOS log that could've been from decades ago. Was I supposed to see or hear these survivors at some point? How should I know if they're alive or not? TheTrueBlue 21:07, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe because they are real? I, personally, have a sweet-spot for pre-war stuff, I couldn't stop myself from saving them. Few days later, I take a look at the Aerotech park place and there they are, five people in Vault 34 jumpsuits. Want me to take a shit picture and show it to you? 21:12, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * So as far as the story goes, the game wants the following to be a reasonable choice: that the player would take a gigantic leap of faith and risk the entire NCR sharecropper operation on a few lines of text? I got Horowitz's formid from the GECK editor, but I don't know how I'm supposed to find his refid. Were they supposed to be behind the glass in the room that leads to the reactor controls? I only saw some glowing ghouls in there. TheTrueBlue 21:20, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're actually in Vault 34. But yeah, that's what they expect you to do. 21:24, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'm already idolized by the NCR, I want to take over the Strip with Yes-Man, and Ortega said that the crops mainly go to feed troops at Camp McCarran and the Dam. So it's not a big loss if the farms go, those fat cats at the Ultra-Luxe and Tops probably have more than enough for the people of Freeside, etc. Under the cirucmstances it seems the best choice would be to let the survivors go. Interesting how doing so results in no Karma gain or loss either way. TheTrueBlue 21:44, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reference
Anthony Horowitz. De Accipitre Deserta 20:41, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Saving Horowitz & Co.
Yes, I agree that the introduction of the Vault 34 survivors is rather clumsy. The note at the reactor forces you to make a decision that seems out of the blue. I had a guide so that I was able to make an informed decision regarding their fate and so I had the Courier save them. So far my character is benign so I thought that he would sacrifice property rather than lives. Also, I would like to think that knowing there were lives at risk in the first place the NCR would not penalize the Courier for making what I believe is the moral decision.

By the way, I set this up as a separate topic rather than edit the above thread since the latter is a more cumbersome edit.

Growl-tiger 17:33, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

True, however you must remember that it isn't simply irradiated property; it's irradiated farmland. Almost certainly, this farmland is much-needed in feeding citizens of the waste. Indeed, this is a hard choice. What makes it harder, however, is knowing that if you choose to save lives (the vault dwellers) over property, you might also be taking lives away elsewhere in the waste through starvation. This is probably why there is no Karma involved. Either way you'd be saving some lives and taking others away. I guess the major difference between the choices is whether or not one would want to side with the NCR.

71.190.225.116 22:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Where is the Vault trinket?
A dialog option is to ask Horowitz for a vault trinket as a memento of the rescue. I am guessing that this has something to do with Sarah's (from Vault 21) free quest. Horowitz seems happy to comply with the Courier's request but there is no inventory update. What gives? Is this a defect or did I miss a step somewhere?

Growl-tiger 17:38, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Looked through the game items with GECK. The Vault Trinket doesn't seem to exist, and the Horowitz dialogue doesn't do anything. I'm sure this is a defect. --69.22.179.181 02:05, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why is the 34 on his vault uniform upside down? Cane1994 18:42, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

vault suit
Did anyone else notice that in the picture of horowitz, the 34 on his collar is upside down? Robco Man 16:58, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I never noticed before you mention it. I just posted a fix on New vegas nexus for PC users. Not very important but it took 5 minutes to fix. But I also noticed I used this template to create other vaultsuits for mods I made and they all show the number upside down... Arrgh--Croquignol 18:36, October 21, 2011 (UTC)