Forum:Bye bye Monaco.

Due to Sarah Manley's evil empire, Monaco will be killed in 9 hours. Oasis will take over.

Oasis is just a stupid scheme to get more ads, and more money. Wikia is just turning into a dictatorship, as we are not even allowed to vote on this. Wikia wants a community that is nice to them, but for that to happen, the community must have what they want. Wikia isn't listening.

That's why i'm leaving Wikia forever tonight. I'm not making edits for Wikia to make money from. Bye bye Monaco. Tezzla Cannon 16:53, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * See ya! Don't forget to write. 16:54, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean, you didn't know that Wikia was for profit and every edit you made here gave them monies? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:56, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Tezzla Cannon 16:57, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you think Wikia just did all the hosting out of the goodness of their heart? Agent c 17:00, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. They have money ad money.

Also, they've increased the speed of Wikia. Thanks! Now we can leave faster when the Oasis comes! Tezzla Cannon 17:01, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * That ad money is precisely what keeps Wikia free and open to all. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:07, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Then leave. You're un-needed, unwanted and useless. Stealth Cl0wn 18:27, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, he's so useless that he has 232 times as many edits as you. Oh, wait, that's pretty much the opposite of useless. Don't insult other editors. -- 18:30, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have an issue with Wikia making money; it used to be a fair exchange (we get free hosting and the ability to run our wikis as we wish, they get ads and therefore money). I do have an issue with how Wikia is unilaterally changing this agreement by increasingly infringing on our ability to run our wikis as our communities wish, and how they disregard any arguments and feedback from the people who have actually made the wikis what they are. -- Porter21 (talk) 19:15, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikia has a team of experts in website design make the new skin. I'm 99% sure that they know more about functionality and attracting users than most of the people who opposed that changes do (including myself, although I support the changes). The main issue I have is the ToU changes, but those might be lessened at some point. Ajraddatz Talk 22:22, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're assuming that
 * A. Wikia has such a team of experts.
 * B. The Vault doesn't.
 * I'm not convinced on either point.
 * More importantly, this is a case of building business relationships well or not. And just because we don't get paid for our part doesn't mean this isn't a business relationship. Wikia generates revenue by making use of our efforts and in return gives us free hosting. That is a business relationship, and it is one that right now I would not characterize as a good one.--Gothemasticator 22:42, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Just get over yourselves. Your all being really annoyed by this. Just deal with it, as Porter said, it is a fair exchange. Being butthurt about it isn't going to do anything and Wikia will look at us like someone would a child throwing a tantrum. Nukey  ☢ talk 22:24, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * So much controversy over this point. One the one hand, Porter raises the point that Wikia is not allowing for Wiki contributors to hold it's core values: to have a website run by the people, not forced on them. And then there are the people squabbling over the new skin, and it's differences. I don't look at it with such villainy; it is a decent look, for what it's worth. However, replacing the most widely used skin (Monaco) with Oasis so quickly, and without valuing the vast majority's objections, is unjustified, as expressed by most people. I want a middle ground; I want for someone at Wikia to consider the possibility of only adding Oasis as an option, instead of it being a "progressive change for the better". They have to realize by now that they have unsettled a large portion of their editors, which will hurt their profits, no doubt.


 * I just want to see how this unfolds for this following month. If Wikia decides to stay course with the new skin, then I will honestly be disappointed, because Monaco is so much more navigable. Regardless, I'll continue editing at a slow pace, whenever I can find sufficient time. - Ghouly89 (Talk) 05:56, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

This is just fucking out or order. They've just removed Monobook. Wikia staff, are shitheads. I cannot word it any better than that. They are being completely unreasonable. Sannse said they are doing this to make it appeal to teenagers, but 1:They don't care. 2:They think this is crap.
 * Still there, they just removed the skin tab and placed the option under the main User preferences tab until November 10th then it goes bye bye for goodGhostAvatar 18:22, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Why is Wikia going ahead with this? They know they are making people leave. Runescape, Wow, and Wookieepedia have left, and many other big ones. They're retarded. They know this is a crap idea, but they are still doing this.

Never mind Wikia "Oh, but some people like it!". Yeah, there's only 5 or 6 people who post a positive comment on the blogs.

Infact, maybe i'll make a vote where we vote for a new leader of Wikia. Tezzla Cannon 17:01, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wookieepedia is not leaving nor forking. Ausir(talk) 20:18, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I say the best option is to move over to another provider and clear this whole site leaving a simple redirect to the new site.

GhostAvatar 18:46, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's out of the question. Any redirect or "We've Moved" sign meets the Wikia definition of Vandalism. Admins who try it get demoted and/or Banned.  Wikia won't let you shut down a site, only fork away; Its like Hotel California - you can check out any time you like, but you can't ever leave.  Agent c 00:01, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I noticed that after reading the issues with WoWWikki GhostAvatar 01:25, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

WTF!!!!!!!!!!! Hit preview and it all went grey making most of it impossible to now read. I don't think they are trying to attract teenagers, they are a bunch of teenagers. EDIT: My bad, seems to be a conflict between CSS files for here and WoWwiki.


 * Instead of saying "fork away from Wikia" I prefer to use the phrasing "fork off Wikia" as in "Wikia wouldn't release the wowwiki.com domain name so they just had to fork off Wikia". And yea, WoWWiki is dealing with a lot of staff interference due to the fork. Admins are getting demoted without direct cause, for example. -- 00:36, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, just been reading that whole debate over there with Sansa. What happened there I think is way beyond uncalled for by the Wikia staff GhostAvatar 01:25, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

it raelly cant be helped. I dont know why people would have a problem with someone making bank off of a edit, i geuss its because im a real fan and care more about haveing good info then if wikia makes cash. hell i like the idea of them geting paid off of a edit if thay did not then it could cost us to just edit. All i can say is good bye to the people that are going, just remimber you choose to go no one is making you. not to be mean but its a good thing you did not make admin if your just going to go over something as little as Wikia makeing money --MrDot01 01:56, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

one more thing why did you think that Wikia was a democracy :P --MrDot01 01:58, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Companies would be very wise to listen to their customers... Have you heard of New Coke? Funny, not too many people have either. a couple of decades ago Coca Cola, worried about the rise of the Pepsi Challenge deciced to put their labfolk on an amazing quest - to make a Cola that is better than both Coke, and Pepsi.  According to the marketing folk and the focus groups, they succeeded.  Their customers were shocked. but Coke was unrepentant - old Coke would go, and New Coke would stay.  Coke fans bought up all the old coke they could, and when it ran out, they bought Pepsi.  Eventually Coke was forced to bring back "Classic Coke" and abandon their plans to launch new coke Internationally.  Not so long later, New Coke was gone, now only available in tiny places like American Samoa (where its sold Side by Side with the real thing, and taught in Marketing class as one of the greatest Marketing Disasters in History.  In Summary, it doesnt matter if Oasis is better than Monaco - its new Coke. Agent c 02:53, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I dont really have a problem with wikia making money, I just think that the new skins are absolutely horrible. Rootmars 02:39, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. In my opinion I don't care if Wikia chooses to cover our layouts with ads. It's not about ads to me, it's about the look, and Oasis looks horrible. I know it was set as the default so I just set Monaco as my layout in my user preferences and when I would log on everything was fine. That option is now gone leaving only MonoBook as a possible alternate. MonoBook slightly resembles Monaco but it doesn't have the recent changes bar on the left (that was one of my favorite features in Monaco). In Oasis the edit page button at the bottom of articles and the edit button next to main sections is gone (only subsection edit button and edit at top of page). The new skin is frustrating and oddly setup. I'm only 17 years old (a technical teenager) and I find the design repulsive! I know 13 year olds who could design better pages. I can't believe the complete lack of care coming from companies lately (I.E. Bethesda/Obsidian with the release of the broken NV). It's disgusting and the fact that these companies are getting away with it (paid services or not) is asinine! SuDoX 3:22, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Dammit! they took away Monaco. i just noticed today. it's the only one that makes sense. it's simple. i hate the new wikia look.... oh well, FUCK WIKIA. i'm still a happy member of The Vault though.Dunmer999 04:51, November 6, 2010 (UTC)