Talk:The Cloud

Should we really be calling it a location? I'd use the same terminology as a pocket of radiation.

Toxin or Organism?
It is interesting to note that, according to Elijah's notes on the Cloud sample in his chemistry set, the Cloud grows or propagates in some manner which necessitates the removal of the residue at one jar worth a day. This may lend some weight to the thought that The Cloud is some sort of mold, fungus, or bacteria that was released from the confines of the foundations. It is a rare and not widely-known risk of salt and other types of mining in the real world already. Given how little we know about The Cloud and the Ghost people, it really is just speculation, interesting as the idea may be.

This opens another line of thought that the Ghost People could be either hosts to a parasitic or symbiotic infestation that grants them a limited regenerative ability, or more akin to Spore Carriers. Either one offers an explaination for dragging others to The Cloud as a means of reproducing and spreading out. Very interesting possibilities. 75.90.96.15 18:06, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Magmarashi

I thought the ghost people were the cloud stuffed inside their rags and masks, as their name implies. This would explain why taking a limb off - ripping their containment suit - and fire and disintergration work so well on them. The spores inside would 'reanimate' the suit, gathering others from the toxic air around it unless they couldn't get pressure inside. The cloud residue could be either ghost people crap and/or spores or eggs or whatever (maybe the cloud poison works on ghost ppl because they get prion diseases like GJD; mad ghost syndrome). Either way, it has an high FE content which might explain its colour, if it was rust from the air and substances the cloud touches, making it taste like metallic blood (copper and iron rust do taste a bit similar i reckon). Reckon in that it has some intelligence to create and clumsily manipulate weapons and tools, it's some kinda toxin-producing organism like my ex-girlfriend Saccade 15:31, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

ice cream?

The elders plan
Where is the source about him using the cloud as a weapon with moddded REPCON rockets?

in the ending where you side with him, it says that a short time later a modified repconn rocket hit hoover dam killing and engulfing everyone within, it should be known that Eijah modified the rocket after reproducing the cloudTozzler 11:40, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

He has a purity = emptiness obsession, as his remarks when you first enter the Sierra Madre indicate. In other words, a very literal interpretation of "wipe the slate clean." Wunengzi 03:29, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Rad Child / Solar Powered
I haven't tried this yet, but it would be interesting info to have on the page - how does the cloud interact with health regeneration abilities like Rad Child? Would a character with Rad Child and a decent amount of radiation be effectively immune?

Why wouldn't power armor protect the user? It encases the person in metal which would be protected by the cloud like other technologies. I think it's only the breathing that causes the issue and because you can't get power armor in dead money they never programmed it in.

It would protect the user, but you aren't in Power Armor in Dead Money because DLC's like taking your shit away for some reason. The main problem with the Power Armor schtick is when you're first gassed before starting Dead Money, but that's necessary.


 * And remember that power armor doesn't protect you against a lot of things: cazador stings, for instance. Power armor users should be untouchable by cazadors but I guess that would make things too easy, so they took the lazy way out and popped in another blatant absurdity rather than thinking up something that would hold together at least in the terms of the game universe. Wunengzi 03:32, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or maybe the cazador sting is really fucking big and sharp, like the the Cazador? Or maybe it attacks in between blates of the armour? Power armour isn't a perfectly spherical metal suit, it's made of individual pieces that are put together. Essentially, plate mail of the 21st century. And guess what - plate mail could be defeated with a dagger if you knew where to stick the blade. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 06:35, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Regenaration Glitch
Anyone else have a glitch where no matter what, the player loses health as if in the cloud? Kevinsux909 10:02, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently that's meant to only happen if you saved while inside a concentrated cloud (due to a glitch), maybe that's why? AR700SAW 14:09, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's why, thanks for the help. Kevinsux909 05:48, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Is there any solution to this other than a new save? 74.215.105.44 20:49, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think i have the same glitch. I've already tried everything: Turn Hardcore mode on and off, god mode on and off, go into another cloud, go through a door (with autosave) So far nothing worked =(

Stim-ply Amazing achievement
Since I've been playing a survival hardcore, hard combat character, I've used 2 stimpacks and 3 super stimpacks, healing about 300 points, carrying around 500 of them "just in case" (386 in Dead Money). The Cloud made it so I could heal 10,000 damage in about 4 minutes of standing in it and spamming stimpaks. (sounds like some dodgy sales pitch for washing detergent, that...)

Guess cazadors could do it, too, if ye left one maybe. Even still, I was wondering if I'd ever get to use 'em all instead of selling them but never came up - they're worth caps. Took just under 60 to do it. Saccade 15:20, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

"Air tastes like copper..."
I'm pretty sure God says "Air tastes like copper, old world gold" in a way that he means copper was the old world gold, not that the cloud tastes like copper and old world gold.

Anyone agrees?  K1LL 00:45, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * He says "Air tastes like copper, or Old World gold." 01:00, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Copper and Oil don't really taste similar, and neither does Copper (Cu) and Gold (Au). However, they're both solid transition metals, in the same group (11) at 29 and 79 along with Silver (Ag) 47 so maybe they taste the same to Night-Kin. This is one comment I don't really get in the game :/ Yea, the air tastes like rust and blood - tastes of the cloud - but I don't get the Oil or Gold bit. Gold Toxicity is pretty low, the only way you can really get poisoned by Gold (which is an allowed food additive and is even in some commercial drinks) is by imbibing something like Potassium Gold Cyanide that's used in some Electroplating. Copper is a lot more toxic by comparison, and plenty of evil shit can be made with Oil - mixing copper pigments with oil, you can get some substances that you're not allowed to paint walls with these days as they're lethal. IDK why the cloud is so interesting for me, but I wish that more was explained about it, instead of people harping on about Ulysses and the Big Empty over and over. Always saying the same stuff about it, when I wanna know about what's happening NOW - not later! D:

I hate it when games force you to get the expansion packs and sequels to find out how it's gonna end. Dead Money kinda felt like it wasn't a complete episode, rather just a vehicle to get the Courier to purchase more DLC so he can have a 3 second VATS fight with another Courier, while flogging a dead horse over some hashed out story. Saccade 11:54, July 7, 2011 (UTC) Fallout 2 was a hell of a lot better than the new Fallouts for plot and atmosphere.


 * The cloud interests me too, but back on topic I'm 100% sure he means "air tastes like copper...old world gold". As if he was saying that Copper had a high value so today it would be considered as the old world gold. I should check the game later to see if he actually says "copper...old world gold" or "copper or old world gold".  K1LL 15:29, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as how he barks that particular line half a million times and you can clearly hear him say OR and see it with captions, I'm not sure what the confusion is. Magmarashi 21:20, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

The title
Would the in the title be considered redundant?
 * It's not just any cloud, it is *THE* Cloud. Nitty the Kitty! 19:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Like THE Den. --Languorous_Maiar 19:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)