Talk:United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

UK or this article? BTW I can't find references to the UK in Fallout sources.--dotz 15:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There are some mentions in Van Buren stuff and Tactics. Ausir 08:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Any more clues, please? I am going to improve this article.--dotz 05:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I have not heard much about Britain's influence in the Fallout universe. The only one I can really think of is if you say that Mr. Tenpenny is of British descent.--MercZ 21:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

i would pay good money for a fallout game set in britain (london most likley but it would also be brill to see how any of the other big cities survived the great war). i imagine the destruction wouldnt be as bad, but essential resources (ammo , laser weopens etc.) would be lot more rare !

also likin the sound of the resource wars game (probly never get made though) Rippa1889 17:24, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Flag
Its the Union Jack, not the Union Flag. Ive changed it and it is right. --Mary roc 17:51, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Union Jack's the one on warships, flag's all the others. Least read the wikia page. ¬¬

Two countries
India and Nigeria became independent after the WWII, after the divergence happened. Could this mean they are still UK territory? Tezzla Cannon 10:43, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible, this could also apply to other territories still held by the UK after WWII, including Hong Kong, which, in the fallout world, would give China a reason to attack the UK considering they were already launching nukes at the US Clueless93 13:09, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Overextrapolation?
I don't really see that the presence of characters possessing names from related ethnicities is relevant to the topic of the UK as a location in these games. It seems like a bit of a reach. If they had the corresponding accents (Tenpenny doesn't either, but evidently his origin is sourced) it would add an interesting twist; now that I think about it, I do seem to remember Moriarty in Megaton having an accent of some sort. Still, I thought locations in this context were meant to indicate places one can travel or that are featured in some sort of in-game media, like a newspaper report or cutscene-style video of, say, London being nuked (which doesn't exist, of course, at least to my knowledge). That issue aside, I think this article states the obvious in more detail than appropriate; I doubt anyone would seriously challenge that England exists in the Fallout world, which is, after all, our world up to a historically recent period. --75.14.211.239 06:31, October 7, 2010 (UTC)Gryphon

ireland is not uk
i am irish and outraged by the fact that i got redirected to this page when click on ireland in collin moriartys page i think this should be changed as only northern ireland is uk and we do not consider ni as a part of ireland we consider it part of the uk. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Fallout has a different history, It's perfectly logical for all of Ireland to be in the UK in the Fallout world. 17:06, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Really it should be changed to UK and Ireland with them as two different headings and while maybe Ireland once again became part of the uk it may not be the case also *cough* war of independence of 1919-1921 *cough* which is before timeline split. Knight Captain Kerr 11:52, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

I just reorganised the page and noticed this, and I agree, there is no real reason to suspect that the ROI would be part of the UK. I don't think the Irish references belong on this page, but in saying that I don't think there is enough info on Ireland in fallout games to make a page on Ireland, so for the moment we may as well just keep them here?--GreyMullen 05:12, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Saying whiskey originates from the UK is dubious. Most people would tell you it originates from Ireland off-hand. Come on, guys, the least you could do is do a Google search or look up whiskey on Wikipedia. It wouldn't hurt to broaden your knowledge a bit. 24.139.59.183 11:25, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree and "whiskey" is also the US spelling, so it has no place on the page.Bwilderbeast 17:04, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

That said, this whole article is dubious. It's unknown whether the UK still even exists in Fallout, much less its history. Ireland could just have easily taken back the six northern counties as it could have been conquered again by the British. We don't know. Furthermore, the whole article refers to it as if it is an existing country in Fallout. Check out the U.S.S.R.'s page. It's referred to in past tense the whole article. As far as I know, there are certain guidelines to follow in wiki pages, and this one fails to follow such guidelines. I will be editing it accordingly. 24.139.59.183 11:33, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

One last thing to speculate on. Since the Fallout world is essentially the mirror of a nuked 1950s, the Fallout Ireland would have to reflect such a thing. 2070s Ireland would either be a place of much conflict between the IRA and UK forces or it would be fully liberated from the British by then. You have to take into account that the Irish never give up the fight. As long as one square mile of Ireland is in the hands of the British, there will be violence. 24.139.59.183 11:47, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't mean to cause you any offence here but maybe you should restrain yourself from editing this article too much. You seem to have a rather one-sided view point and I would really hate to see this turn into an argument. You are correct to point out that the UK (or any other country for that matter) should be referred to in past-tense as nation states wouldn't have survived the war. There is however, no point in speculating on the fate of Northern Ireland as it would be just that, speculation. There is no clear evidence in regards to who would have de facto control of the six counties before the war, and after the war, well it wouldn't matter when everyone living there was dead now, would it?--GreyMullen 19:52, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

The UK does not have counties. Trolly Polly Olly 20:09, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

The U.K. does have counties, more than one type, in fact: Political and Postal (I verified this on Wikipedia).DarthOrc 02:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)DarthOrc

The 'six counties' (local dialect: sax coowntays) refers to the six counties of Northern Ireland: Fermanagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Londonderry/Derry, Armagh and Downe. You are correct that it is an Irish system Trolly, but as part of Ireland is in the UK the above counties are also used as administrative divisions within the UK, exclusive to Northern Ireland.--GreyMullen 22:20, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, right. Btw, in December, the Irish Government said that European Union (Commonwealth) are charging them a large amount that Ireland will have to end their campaign for independence after ninety years.

Northern Ireland would now therefore be still part of the UK, and Ireland would have been dead financially and let the UK take over them. Trolly Polly Olly 22:23, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity what do you mean by 'campaign for independence'? The ROI is already independent from the UK and it is unlikely that the ROI would rejoin the UK, it is also unlikely that the UK would give up Northern Ireland. It will just be a situation of carry on as normal.--GreyMullen 22:50, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

They've been trying to diplomatically get NI for 90 years. Trolly Polly Olly 07:03, June 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * LMFAO, I love the title of this topic and the topic starter, who is ultimately is trying to say that Ireland is the ROI. If they just consider NI to be part of the UK, then Ireland (in part) is also part of the UK, considering that NI is located on that land mass. And we can also take the same logic as the topic starter and also consider ROI not to be Ireland and only part of the ROI (or all of the ROI in this case). So this topic starts off as complete BS. Lets get this straight thought, Ireland is a land mass and not a sovereign state, so suck up that national pride and leave it at the door.


 * While we are at it, lets dispel some other rubbish here. Firstly, "Really it should be changed to UK and Ireland"... err you are mixing nation and land masse terms. Not really a good idea since part of Ireland is also part of the UK, this dosnt work to well. You would be better off with Great Britain and Ireland. Yes there is a difference between GB and UK, one is a sovereign state of nations and the other is a geographical term (once a sovereign state).


 * "*cough* war of independence of 1919-1921 *cough* which is before timeline split." Really, well considering Sunset Sarsaparilla was established in 1918 and doesn't exist in our world, there is a lot of room to argue that.


 * "Saying whiskey originates from the UK is dubious. Most people would tell you it originates from Ireland off-hand. ". No, I would say it came from Scotland just as much as Ireland. Since Scotland is part of the UK as much as NI is, saying it comes from the UK isn't any more wrong than saying it only came from Ireland, since both statements exclude certain areas of equal claim.

-You aren't most people. Take a look around the internet and do a little research. It's easy enough to see Whiskey originated in Ireland. Furthermore, if you knew your history, you would know that the Scots are themselves Gaelic, Alba (Scotland) being a unification of the Irish kingdom of Dal Raita and the Picts. Everything Scottish developed out of Irish culture, including whiskey. 72.171.0.149 06:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * "The UK does not have counties". And you say you are form the UK sigh. While in some areas they may no longer exist in terms of local government (Wales and Scotland), they however do still exist for other purposes. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 21:33, June 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * ^^^ What 'e said. I fear you might be fighting a losing battle here GhostAvatar.  Although you are talking a lot of sense the whole NI issue is touchy and people are often very opinionated about it to the point of stubbornness.  Trying to have a mature discussion about it, never mind adding in all the extra possibilities in a Fallout context due to divergence, is almost impossible over the internet.--GreyMullen 02:13, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Monarchy
Could it be possible that in 2277 the united kingdom still had and was ruled by a female monacrh, as the bottling robot in the sunset sarspiralla hq shouts 'for queen and country' while attacking you Clueless93 17:07, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Also, i know its only a factory but the possibility is there Clueless93 17:07, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

They're pre-war though, so ot would have been in 2077 or before, as there would be no one to reprogram them. Also, the defective one in Nipton says that as well, and, I think in REPCONN hq. 17:08, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, i only just realised, i did mean 2077 Clueless93 18:51, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Pedantry
Am I being excessively pedantic (or indeed wrong) if I point out that places listed after England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland in the first paragraph are actually British Overseas territories?

[on a side note, can't you just picture Deathclaws roaming the rolling Welsh hills, super mutants guarding ridiculously named train stations, a surviving Enclave (maybe pushing it!) stronghold based out of Cardiff? Just me then? Figured] Monkoii 15:55, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would best be suited in Scotland actually. The mighty glens could have all sorts of creatures in them, and Edinburgh Castle would be the best BOS Outpost yet...

Monkoii has a point though, a fallout set in Wales would be fantastic, if only for the sake of originality. Everyone would lunge for Scotland, but come on. The New Welsh Republic, the possibilities are endless. --Owlbread 14:09, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Overseas Territories
Just for the information of whoever keeps adding it in; Australia, Canada and New Zealand are not British overseas territories, they are part of the Commonwealth of Nations, that is all.

The State of Europe

i was just wondering, if Alistair Tenpenny thinks the Capital Wasteland is actually a better place than Britain, what would it look like? D.C. was one of the hardest hit places in the U.S., so Britain must be really messed up. What do you think it would look like?