Talk:The Kneecapper

Disarming
Just noticed that it says you obtain the Kneecapper by killing Ronald or having him die. And in the weapons page it states that you MUST kill him or have him die. However this is not true, Any weapon that is equipped by an NPC in combat can be disarmed from them (by shooting the gun or their right arm) causing the weapon to fall to the floor for you to pick up. You can also sometimes exit combat from some NPCs by yielding. This allows you to steal a weapon equipped by an NPC without killing them and without them being hostile to you.68.4.139.30
 * I got it from second successful pickpocketing from Ronald. The first time it is not available in his inventory, you have to steal the ammos first and leave/rezone.

Just a quick statement, I killed Ronald as soon as I left Sierra's house, I took the Kneecapper, and Sierra didn't even notice The Chosen Vault Dweller 20:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Weapon effect?
I tried it and found the damage to be pretty disappointing, until I started aiming it at knees. There's not just a higher rate of crippling, but more damaging crits in general, many of them lethal on humanoid targets.

Is the Crit-multiplier right? x0 would mean 0% Crits.

Yep. Some weapons don't crit. I haven't seen it written anywhere yet, but, it became pretty obvious to me when my character was [HIDDEN] and I *still* couldn't get a critical. (Xbox360) --AshRandom 15:31, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure i've seen a normal sawed-off shotgun score a critical before, and they have 0 critical modifier too. Could it be that the weapon just uses your base modifier, so you don't score criticals nearly as often? -anon
 * Please confirm it, test it and report which system you're on. Thanks ;) [[Image:Ash_Nuke.jpg]] AshRandom (Talk) 03:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused about the 0x crit too, because I have gotten sneak attack criticals with the Frag Grenade before, which is 0x. - Ashran111 04:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've gotten criticals with grenades as well, but its obvious they do no extra damage. I was referring to ranged weapons above. [[Image:Ash_Nuke.jpg]] AshRandom (Talk) 04:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I get sneak criticals with this thing all the time, and it definitely does more damage. It normally took 2-3 shots to kill a Mutant Master, but sneak attacks only required one shot, which hit all over the body. At it wasn't random, either, I stormed all of Roosevelt Academy with sneak and it was consistently doing sneak criticals when I was sneaking. PositronicSpleen 23:21, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Sneak attacks double the normal and critical dmg, so a sneak attack with this weapon will do (75 + 0)*2 = 150 dmg 68.192.9.90 02:04, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
I edited this, coz in Mad Max, Max is kneecapped by a revolver, not a sawn-off shotgun. Major T0m 14:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The general idea of shooting someone in the kneecap as a non-lethal, yet very painful, way of disabling someone is found in countless different movies, books, and other media. I don't really think all of the "Also..." sentences in the section are really necessary.173.89.176.50 01:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Double Kneecappers
Hi there, Just thought i'll contribute a small thing here and probably u could post it up in the "Kneecapper" faq...

I pickpocketed Ronald in Girdershade according to the way you wrote. Successful n i persuaded Ronald to go find some nuka cola quantums n have a threesome thing (Black widow perk). He happily ran off to find them. Then i went about my own business for some days doing other quests. And so i decided to explore the Nuka Cola Factory. At the main door inside the factory, i saw Ronald's corpse and lo and behold, another Kneecapper was there for the taking. Not sure if this is a glitch or what...

Have a nice day!

Mike Lee
 * If he makes it inside the Plant, he will wait there. If you wait long enough he will drop dead.--XxKanin 13:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I was also able to double my Kneecapper count. I first tricked Ronald into going to the Plant with Black Widow and chased him the whole way, once he got there Ronald was eventually killed by one of the Plant's Security Protectrons. After a little exploring, I left the Plant; when I returned, Ronald's body had spawned at the door with a second Kneecapper. -- Nymphonomicon 19:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You are right. One can get 2 kneecappers because the dead Ronald found in the Nuka Cola plant is not the same character as the one you meet in Gildershade. It is another already dead character initially disabled ( enabled by Ronald's script while the living one disappears). Then, if you obtain the gun from Ronald while he is alive AND DON'T kill him in any way AND persuade him to seek Quantum himself with the blackwidow dialogue, as soon as you enter the Nuka cola plant the dead copy of ronald will be enabled, carrying another kneecapper. But of course, the living one is disabled forever, so you must get the gun from this one first.Croquignol 13:30, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

ronald missing
i used the black widow perk so he would go get me nuka quantoms and i was told he would die and i could look for him near the plant and get his gun but i cant find him i have looked around the plant and inside but he's not there what should i do

He is very easy to find, just at the entrance door (inside). If he is not here, try going back to Gildershade to see if he is still around. If he is still there you missed something. In fact he is disabled, and his corpse is enabled only when he reaches the Nuka Cola plant. If he is killed on his way his body don't appear in the factory. Croquignol 13:45, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Pickpocket while sleeping
I was able to pickpocket the kneecapper along with 20 shotgun shells from ronald while he was sleeping....i guess he unequips the weapon when he lets his gaurd down....THANKS RONNIE

75.24.117.120 00:12, September 7, 2009 (UTC)Raelik

easy way
i got the kneecapper really easy i went in2 ronalds house and a sentry bot had spawned inside and it killed ronald! so i killed the sentry bot and looted ronalds corpse and got the kneecapper will no karma loss but i wuz on the nuka cola quest @ the time so he couldnt pay me double wut sierra was gonna give me :( Chiefsean16 11:10, April 5, 2010 (UTC)