Forum:Jet being in fallout 3

Well I played Fallout 2 after I got interested in Fallout 3 and it made me wonder how Jet got in the Capital Wasteland. The amout of time that goes by between the games makes it even more odd. 30 years after Fallout 2 Jet is in the Capital Wasteland and they never explain how or why?If the person who had made Jet(Myron) is killed 1 year after the ending of Fallout 2 then he obviously could not have travelled all the way there. The way Jet is made it would also make it nearly impossible for the people of the Capital Wasteland to discover how to make it on their own. Caravans could MAYBE get there but due to the fact Fallout Tactics is considered cannon or something it would be far too dangerous to make such a long trip. There are only a few ways I can think of it possibly having any remote chance of getting over to the Capital Wasteland:

1.) The BrotherHood of Steel brought it over on their recon mission to find technology on the East Coast(I'm not completely sure but I always thought the BrotherHood of Steel was, you know, clean?).

2.) The Enclave ( They're clean too right?) brought it over to the East Coast when they were forced to evacuate to Raven Rock due to their Oil Rig blowing up.

3.) some how the Shi gained so much power after getting the VertiBird plans that they decided to go to the East Coast for some stupid reason.

Those are the only ways I could think of it possibly happening and even then it seems unlikely so please, can somebody help me with my predicament?(oh and sorry about not being able to put that brick of information into paragraph format. I'm sort of new to forums and when I try to put it in paragraph form it puts it in a small box you have to scroll down to see. any help would be appreciated)

-Bobfart

The logical conclusion would be travelling dealers heading to D.C. from the Core Region. --Solbur 23:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Come one, we all know the brotherhood of steel are riding the red pony DragonJTS 10:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I was thinkin about this, and here is my theory. Perhaps that the jet in F3 isnt the same as in the original Fallout games, but is just named the same thing becuase their affects may be similar?--Blitzkrieg96 12:38, December 24, 2009 (UTC)Blitzkrieg96
 * It looks the same, has the same name and the same effects. Why would it be something different? Ausir(talk) 12:42, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean like Advil, Tylenol, Bayer and Alive? Just because a drug is similar in effect doesn't mean that it contains the same ingredients, or is created by the same process. People have a habit of calling things by 'brand' names, even if it's a cheap knock-off. I've never asked for 'plastic bandages', 'cotton swabs', 'naproxen sodium' or 'plastic storage bags with an interlocking zipper'. Airos the Tiger Talk 14:46, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you do realize the fallacy of comparing real-life globalized culture with the post-nuclear, disjointed society of Fallout? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 21:54, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why must you be so argumentative? I'm just saying that it's entirely possible that 'Jet' from the West coast is different from 'Jet' in the mid-west, which is different from 'Jet' on the East coast. As the 'recipe' got handed off from person to person, ingredients had to change due to locale. Did every single meat plant in the US toy with protein paste, or whatever it was that made super cow poop? It's the fallacy of 'Lincoln's axe'; If you change the handle when it rots, and change the head when it rusts, does it remain the same axe? It's possible that the core ingredients of 'Jet' changed, but people just continued to call it the same thing. The effects remained more or less the same, even though it became a different drug. Airos the Tiger Talk 15:51, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * But there is no reason for the Jet to be passed anywhere. The Mordinos would not share the secret to their power with anyone and there's no reason for anyone to call it so, simply because no one from the Capital Wasteland knows what West Coast Jet is like, unless for some odd reason dealers from the West Coast wanted to go to DC (which is completly out of character for them). Why can't you accept that this is just Bethesda's arbitrary inclusion with little sense in the context of the gameworld, much like many other teeth-grinding elements of Fo3 are? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:03, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I know it seems far fetched but maybe it is made differently, kinda like baking a potato or mashing a potato at the end you have the same result,food. (Anonymous User)

I'm with Solbur on this, dealers just took it there, and someone probably figured out how to reproduce it. Due to the abundance of pre-war material in the Arlington Library, as well as numerous copies of the D.C. Journal of Internal Medicine strewn throughout the wasteland, I'm sure anyone would have plenty of material to work with as far as the chemistry and reverse engineering goes. I mean... What else would the raiders be making with those chemistry rigs of theirs? Metalfrenchtoast 03:55, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Dealers? What dealers? Why on earth would West Coast dealers take Jet to DC if they had pre-existing, demanding markets on the West Coast? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:03, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily dealers, but anyone coming to the DC area from the West Coast. BOS could have brought it, the Enclave, who knows? Why is it that cocaine is available pretty much anywhere in the world today? Drugs spread around pretty quickly, especially under harsh circumstances, due to the fact that people like them. Also, I'm sure someone could pretty quickly figure out an easier way to make the same drug without having to collect brahmin farts. Regardless of all that though, the presence of Jet in unopened vaults or other areas unexplored since the GW is just dumb. I think the designers of FO3 were under the impression that Jet was a pre-war drug. Metalfrenchtoast 18:35, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would the BoS or the Enclave bring highly addictive recreational drugs with them? Also, drugs spread not because people like them, but because criminals want to get people addicted to them. And given that New Reno has already a market available on the West Coast (New Reno itself, NCR, any settlements in the area), there's absolutely no reason for them to go east.
 * Finally, if making Jet is so easy, then tell me, why didn't any New Reno family break the Mordino monopoly? OR develop an antidote? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:35, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * what if they were just idiots? there are plenty of scientists in D.C. not to mention in operation anchorage simulation jet is used as something to get you over the pain and keep shooting your gun, keeping soldiers more out there, idc if it isn't exactly right i doubt the guy who made that place probly 200 years before would've just "thought up" jet, I'm pretty sure it was in production all over America before and this mordino family just stumbled upon some recipe in a office, and who cares if u got a demanding market begging for drugs, if i sold drugs(FYI i don't) i could care less as long as u get as much people as possible to buy the drugs, money IS an object, you can never have too many "caps" and therefore of coarse the mordino family would want to spread the seeds and get even more money, drug dealers would love to control an entire market of say, cocain, and then control the entire us population selling every ounce in America, and therefore getting richer and richer.Toolazytomakeaaccount 21:26, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, what? The only excuse you can come up with is "maybe they were idiots"? The West Coast has an abundance of great minds and in New Reno, if there was even the *slightest* chance that the Mordino Jet empire can be undermined, the families would do it (except for Wrights, because they are pussies). John Bishop could hire a chemist from the NCR, while the Salvatores would just have to use Renesco. But they didn't, because the Jet formula was completely secret.
 * Also, East Coast scientists are smart? Don't make me laugh, they couldn't figure out for two centuries how to decontaminate water, which is pathetically easy if you have a shovel and a tin can.
 * Next, the drug used in the Anchorage sim is the Psycho. Pay attention when you play next time. This invalidates your argument pretty much entirely.
 * And you seem to not understand that the USA was blasted to smithereens with nukes, so the Mordinos would not risk a lot of money for very little and not even sure return. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:51, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

All I'm saying is, some random BoS soldier could have easily gotten his hands on some jet from the Den or elsewhere, and taken it with the expedition to the east coast. Next thing you know, jet is in DC. Maybe he even cut a deal with someone in New Reno? Really though, a drug dealer anywhere in post-war US, but especially with or working for the Mordino family of New Reno, would have no reason NOT to expand his market, as this would increase their already present hold on the market. I mean, even in this day and age, with guys like the DEA around, any guy can drive clear across the country with a bag of joints with no problem at all. Without any real law enforcement to speak of, I'm sure someone could somehow make it to the east coast with some Jet. Once the Jet gets there, it's only a matter of time 'til someone figures out how to synthesize it. Come to think of it, it's a wonder there are only a few different drugs to speak of across the whole US Wasteland.Metalfrenchtoast 22:38, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * What? Did you play the original Fallout? Or even the latest one? There's no way in hell a brother of Steel would consider taking Jet, much less on a cross country expedition. Next, do you have any idea just how much distance is there between New Reno and Washington DC? No? Here's a tip: 2614 kilometers. Two thousand six hundred fourteen kilometers of blasted, irradiated road that takes a fuckload of time to travel through. Now, please, do tell, why would the Mordinos waste money on a pointless trip to Washington DC for no foreseeable gain? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:51, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Just a funny side note... Does anyone see a logical hole in this statement, from the Jet article:

"...the climate was far too ravaged and irradiated to grow anything but the hardiest of plants. So, Myron began delving into growing mushrooms."

Mushrooms are seriously hard to cultivate at all, let alone in a radioactive desert. Maybe Myron wasn't as smart as he let off. Metalfrenchtoast 22:49, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hydroponics, foo'. Myron's a boy genius, certainly a cut above the supposed "scientists" on the East Coast. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:51, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Right, but without a water filtration system capable of removing any radioactive particles, Myron would be using irradiated water to cultivate his fungus. Also... I don't like the BoS, so I don't have any problem imagining the occasional BoS peon getting secretly hooked on some junk, but for those who seriously buy into all that BoS ethical crap...
 * Let's see: because every single Brotherhood member in Fallout 1 and 2 is adhering to that ethical crap? Check Talus' dialogue file, who sends you to the infirmary to get cleaned up if you're addicted to anything. Second, purifying water isn't really that hard: http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p919.htm and "radioactive water" is a myth: http://www.ki4u.com/survive/myth5.htm.

That still doesn't make sense. Call me dumb, but I'd probably stick to the waaaaay cheaper, easier job of growing vast quantities of Peyote. Not only can you grow it outdoors in an unsterilized, unsealed environment, but you can harvest from it without killing the entire cactus, rather than investing craploads of money into a huge hydroponic mushroom lab. Also, the difference in "trip duration" between Mushrooms and Peyote is only about two hours, even completely nil in some cases. Metalfrenchtoast 08:30, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, did you actually read what Jet is about? Here's a helpful read: Myron. Check his dialogue file. Jet ain't 'shrooms and the point of developing an addictive drug is a short, intense, highly addictive trip. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 11:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

No, jet ain't shrooms. I'm just trying to say Myron might not be the brightest guy in the world. Let's grow hydroponic mushrooms and catch cow farts. 97.123.41.180 17:00, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hydroponic mushrooms work. See: Adytum. Also, processing compost gasses from brahmin dung isn't that outlandish once you consider where penicilin came from. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:35, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it was fuckin' Harold? Metalfrenchtoast 20:54, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Harold's not doing drugs. There's not a single mention of it in any of the Fallout games, from Fo1 to VB. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe some people dont stay in one place all their lives and go out to explore the world bringing Jet with them. Sec 19 21:14, December 27, 2009 (UTC) Sec 29
 * Because the US doesn't have anything interesting for 2,614 km it takes to get to DC, riiiight. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * i agree with sec, either someone brought it to D.C. or w/e or maybe the mordino family spread it to D.C. to increase monetary gain, either way both are highly possible.Toolazytomakeaaccount 01:36, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, why won't you elaborate on this? I already pointed out that Mordinos would not risk cash on a pointless expedition which would not give them nearly enough profit to pay back for the costs (2614km, hello?). And why would people suddenly develop the want to go to DC, hmm? Most 23rd century Americans don't know much about their immediate surroundings, much less what's on the other side of the continent. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * look, if this mordino family is truly powerful and wealthy, who's to say they didn't pay some enclave grunts to take vertibirds in all directions to spread the wealth? and if the enclave aren't anywhere near them well then honestly u get a population hooked on drugs it will end up making money at some point, and it isn't just D.C. they'd want to spread the jet EVERYWHERE so that they could make more and more money, whether its dc or even california, they'd want more money.Toolazytomakeaaccount 10:51, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't really understand how business works, do you? Or what I'm writing for that matter? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 12:24, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Since Myron died 1 year after the end of Fallout 2, the 'secrets' of making Jet had to be passed on to somebody. I believe it's highly unlikely that Myron would have foreseen his own death in time to verbally pass the information along, so it would likely have been kept in writing, either on a computer or on paper. There's a 36 year gap between FO2 and FO3. How do we know this new person didn't sell the secret on the side? How do we know that someone, perhaps some rival of the Mordino family, didn't sneak into Myron's lab and steal the secrets. For all we know, an angry mob of Jet addicts could have killed the entire Mordino family. Maybe one of the slaves working the dung vats said something to someone who said something to someone else about how they got 'high' from the fumes, and the 'secret' got leaked out from there. Pass that along word of mouth from trader to trader, and it makes it across the country after a few years. Hell, Myron didn't seem to have a problem blabbing most of the 'secret' to the Chosen One to begin with. Who knows how many other people were able to figure it out. Airos the Tiger Talk 12:40, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why should they be? The only people who would have them are Myron's immediate scientific team and they're under strict Mordino supervision. Any squealer would be put down quite quickly and quite efficently, since there's so few people that actually know about the drug. The problem with your reasoning is that you must have an answer, whereas (Occam's Razor) Jet is simply an arbitrary placement in Fallout 3 with little regard for cohesion.
 * And no, slave mentioning he got high on the fumes is not an answer. Why do you think Coca-Cola is guarding the recipe for the drink so feverishly and no-one cracked it yet? That's because the end result is not going to be achieved without perfect proportions and very specific ingredients. It's the same thing with Jet. Except the world of Fallout is blasted out and (on average) stuck in the Dark Ages, so the chances of someone figuring out a very specific formula by chance are even slimmer than in our world.
 * Last, I sincerely hope you do realize the difference between a random stranger and the guy who now employs you and can blow a hole in your head the size of a fist. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that you must have an answer as well, it's just that my answer is an attempt to find an in-game reason for the existence of Jet on the east coast, while your answer is bashing Bethesda for 'screwing up'. Like it or not, (and I gather that you don't), FO3 is the official sequel to FO2, and the presence of Jet in the Capitol Wasteland is canon. It doesn't matter how much or how little sense it makes, no matter how logical or illogical it is, no matter if it flies in the face of everything you love about the previous games, it's just simply there. Jet somehow made it to the East Coast. Unless a developer goes public and says 'oops, my bad', there's nothing that can be done to undo that fact.
 * You have your reasons for it being there, (stupid developers). Please stop trying to take away our fun of looking and discussing an in-game reason for it to be there. Some of us actually like FO3. Airos the Tiger Talk 06:46, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be "canon", but it doesn't mean it's illogical or inconsistent with the setting. Which is something you can't really comprehend, apparently. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 11:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well now I'm confused. You've been saying that it makes no sense for Jet to be on the East coast. I said that no matter how illogical it is for Jet to be on the East coast, a canon source says that it is. Now you're saying that it's not 'illogical or inconsistent with the setting'?
 * Honestly, though, I'm thinking the best thing I can do is just go about my business. You have your opinions about me, and obviously I shouldn't bother trying to discuss anything with you. Your opinions and mine aren't going to see eye to eye. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'm not going to try and defend my posts against you in the future, because I would like to keep my presence here peaceful. Airos the Tiger Talk 11:49, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Bethosdta should have gave the east coast their own jet like drug. Different ingreidents, different names, same effect Sec 19 16:35, December 28, 2009 (UTC) Sec 19
 * FOT did it. See: Afterburner Gum. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 23:48, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is, all water in the science fiction game, Fallout, is irradiated unless otherwise purified. This isn't a debate on reality anyway... Kinda seems like you're trollin'! No, it wouldn't be likely to see someone get jet clear across the country, but consider many of the other HIGHLY unlikely events which do indeed occur in the science fiction game world of "Fallout":

- A device which can transform a nuked-ass wasteland into an oasis, the GECK.

- Prolonged exposure to radiation can turn you into some kind of intelligent (Or not) zombie that can live for up to two centuries (Or longer?).

- Self aware supercomputers that use vacuum tubes, but are somehow only up to a few stories tall.

- Highly mutated cows have somehow managed to retain viable genetic material for over two centuries (They haven't gone sterile and died out... Like almost everything else has), and people can eat them without dying.

- Radiation makes living things stronger, bigger, more dangerous or just plain cooler.

- Some douche from an underground vault society which has managed to survive for almost a century (Underground), travels all over post-apocalyptic California in search for one specific computer chip, finds it(!), then goes on to destroy an entire army of super-mutants and their even-more-super-mutated leader, and after all that, manages to travel all the way to Oregon and start a settlement.

- Someone directly related to the previously mentioned character travels all over California, Nevada, and almost even goes to Utah... Accompanied by only up to five people...

And you mean to tell me someone couldn't get to the east coast with some freakin' drugs? I mean... Is that harder to believe than giant mutated sentient chameleons? Go distill your water and take some potassium iodide, man. Metalfrenchtoast 07:37, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, you do realize the difference between a drug dealer and a Hero-type character? Not to mention that what you list are part of the scientific background on the world of Fallout, a world in which science works on principles of 1950s sci-fi, not part of the universal laws governing the universe right? People wouldn't travel 2614 km in our world just to sell a drug and they wouldn't in Fallout either. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 11:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Simple, as some dealers moved it eastward, other dealers got it and developed it. It slowly made its way to D.C. in that fashion. Sort of how roving traders pass things along from city to city. --Kleiner352 19:47, December 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like to think that the east coast jet started out as the one from the west but as little to no supply was coming through druggies and dealers created their own under the same name to supply demand Sec 19 20:37, December 30, 2009 (UTC) Sec 19
 * Handwaving isn't going to cut it. Either explain thoroughly or admit you have no idea. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:46, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

whoa, this is a long forum discussion. sorry, but I haven't played any of the Fallout games except for Fo3, so how exactly is Jet made again? maybe I could come up with some sort of answer to this dilema.Rainman222 17:12, January 8, 2010 (UTC)Rainman222

Jet is made, put simply, from collecting brahmin farts. More specifically, the fumes that rise off of their shit. 97.123.41.180 02:59, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

wow...so, people breathe in poo fume, and...wow. anyway, it's not totally imposiible that Jet made it's way to the East in 30 years. It could have been from word of mouth, some group bringing it over, OH, maybe that one band of Raiders( I think it was the Jackals) that got pushed eastward brought some jet with them, and that helped speed up the process of spreading jet across the wastes.Rainman222 17:18, January 9, 2010 (UTC)Rainman222

Man, I'm freakin tired of Mikail dissing Fo3! Just shut up dude! I found out about the Fallout series from Fo3 and then I found out about this wonderful site but you get on my nerves! Fo3 is a great game and if you don't like it then don't talk about it! I've yet to play Fallout 1 and 2 but I bet they are great and I bet Black Isle did great but the series needed some change and Bethesda did that just fine! So please shut the heck up! I've seen you in the Fo3 forum before complaining about how much it sucks and crap but that part of the forums are for Fo3 fans, not douchebag Fo3 haters!- Andromada101

Azzaman9

"made me wonder how Jet got in the Capital Wasteland"

In the same way cocaine got to the US

In the same way heroin got to the US

In the same way pot got to the US

In the same way Got to

You get the picture right? If not i will tell you. It was trafficked, like any other drug... If you don't know Chem is the PC word for drug in the fallout series (MeDX was supposed to be called Morphine but they didn't want a game where you could get addicted to morphine TY to my Ausfag bretheren). Short for chemical really but that's all drugs are chemicals natural or man made used for a purpose of altering the body. Azzaman 09:13, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Drug trafficking doesn't work the same way in Fallout. I hope you do realize the inherent difference between our world and the nuked-out, incredibly hostile environment of Fallout USA. A drug dealer, hell, a drug cartel wouldn't cross an entire hostile continent just to sell drugs in a place they have no guarantee exists, if they have an accessible and guaranteed location (AKA NCR). Simple economics. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:26, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm you might be right about the trafficking of Jet, at least it wouldn't have been directly trafficked from east to west. Not being a native of USA i didn't realise the locales of both FO 2 and 3 are essentialy on oposite sides of the US. Still the "recipe" for jet could have traveled just like the "recipe" for a lot of real word drugs do. Who's to say it wasn't slowly trafficked over the time span of FO2 to 3 and the spread of a drug and the sale of a drug are linked but totaly different things.

Azzaman 10:54, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The recipe was a closely guarded Mordino secret. It was the key to their power. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:48, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Not closely enough so it seems. It did a flip side and jumped to the other side of the country...

Azzaman 12:47, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it did not. It's just arbitrarily placed there by Bethesda, contradicting estabilished canon. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:06, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

And FO2 didn't do that to the 1st? lol! Just look at the Cannon page on this wikki man, it will tell you why none of us are right or wrong. For the games to retain their sand box feel we Know and love(i assume) The "lore" has to be flexible even to the point of being somewhat detached from the previous installment/s (so long as the word remains a constant). As for Jet in FO3 Beth. May have wrongly though it would be a nice bit of nostalga to the old school fans (so yeah they "arbitrarily placed it there" So what really...). Little did they predict you'd instead be shitting bricks forgetting it really doesn't matter. Actually no i think most oldschool FO 1-2 fans probably don't care that much. (Also if you are just pissed that its not isometrical take turns and become Morrofagged. that enough should be grounds to hate without analy picking at FO3's "story" or lack there of)
 * Nope. Fallout 2 did not do that, it expanded on what was provided in Fallout 1 in a way that's certainly far more versimiliar and credible than what Fallout 3 does. Throwbacks to previous games are generally consistent and fit in with the fiction in Fallout 2. Not so much in Fallout 3. Also, watch your tongue. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

When it comes to fiction there was a time where we had to use our imaginations a little bit to help explain meaningless inconsistencies. Now its called the evil suspencion of disbelife and it is seen as a slap in the face to readers/ Veiwers. Becasue it means they have to spend precious effort useing their imagination to even the smallest of degrees, Instead they want the writer doing it for them all of it every little thing explained so the audience doesn't have to try. But go ahead keep rubbishing others possible explanations for jet being in D.C and that Beth. Is an evil company that takes your nostalgia and turns it in to their discusting filthy money whore not even New Reno would take in due to over use. What ever helps you enjoy life/ The Game to the fullest man.
 * I like filling in gaps, but only if it makes sense and I have actual basis to do so (the Pitt is very consistent in that regard and gives a lot of room for your imagination, without jarring, immersion breaking items like Jet on the other coast without any reason nor explanation). If the writer doesn't provide even the flimsiest of foundations for speculation, it's very, very bad storytelling. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I stick to my trafficking idea though or the formula being cracked (I Mean if some Vault Doctor knows enough about it to synthesise an antidte this isn't that far out) or distributed. Or The FO3 Jet is a different substance named after it (or a falsely named crack attempt) Not that this is explained or needs to be. Don't give me that cola excuse either as the effects of Jet on FO2 and 3 have waaaay different effects. Old Jet used to give stats and action points preatty much let you take on a raider army with an SMG if you hit it twice but FO 3's jet just gives an insignificant Action point buff that hardly lets you get a second burst of an assault rifle. (so the "taste" is in fact Different.) Also the secret of modinos "power" Would have diminished with the discovery of the Jet Antidote After that Jet may as well be as powerfull as a any other chem. Even if they cornered the antidote bussiness it still would effect the "power" it had. Then again is the jet antidote cannon.
 * Heh, no. Fallout 2's Jet and Fallout 3's Jet are almost identical in function (AP increase), except for the permanent addiction part. Also, my Cola analogy stands - just because you have the end product doesn't mean you're going to crack the formula. After all, what's the chance you're going to figure out that Jet is actually condensed brahmin dung gas, coming from a very particular type of brahmin who was fed with contaminated protein extract just going by the gas and its effects?
 * Plus, the Jet antidote was key to breaking Mordino's grip on Redding, if you haven't noticed. With the Jet antidote Redding goes to Vault City and the Mordinos fade into obscurity. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also What is the official cannon ending for FO2? can't find it on this wikki... I suppose the devs of that VanBuren project where supposed to be the ones decideing that huh? Azzaman 02:45, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Myron dies, as that's the only ending for him. The rest depends on the player's actions. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Or it could have been there for the past whatever years during the events of Fallout 1-2. Nukey (Talk) (User blog:AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke? 09:09, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps when they switched over to the Havok engine at the end of FO2, a bunch of jet containers glitch-jumped all the way over to the east coast, trying to share the same space with a tin can or some such item. Metalfrenchtoast 12:31, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

My personal take on it is that some drughead raiders made their way eastbound. These raiders happened to know how to make the stuff, so they told other drughead raiders along the way, and eventually bumbled into the capitol wasteland. Voila, jet for all! The core region also has functional vehicles(A two day trek by Highwayman if you luck out on the roads en-route, and honestly what are the chinese gonna aim at in Kansas anyways?), and on both coasts flyable Vertibirds exist(12 hours cross country, no problemo), so I can't see why it's so difficult for Jet to make it's way cross country. TestECull 14:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I believe that a lot of U.S. missile bases are located in large, flat states such as Kansas because there is so much flat, open ground that can be used to build missile silos in. Knight Captain Ski (talk) 16:06, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Most of the bombs in the Fallout timeline were delivered by fixed-wing aircraft and oribtal strikes. ICBMs were only just starting to come into use. This can be somewhat confirmed by Fort Constantine still having a missile in it's silo by the time the Lone Wanderer stumbles in there. It's perfectly plausible that there would have been nothing of interest to the Chinese in the midwest. TestECull 03:59, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean to be rude, but where is it stated that ICBMs were only just coming into use? I'm not sure about that. Especially since every military base seems to be equiped their own missile silos and those things don't just appear overnight. Knight Captain Ski (talk) 04:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Took me a few days, but I found my source on the bomber V ICBM debate. TestECull 16:29, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yep It's not too far fetched that Jet in DC. Then again those canisters of jet in areas presumeably undisterbed since the Great war are a little harder to explain (if not impossible). The enclave could have seen it's usefullness as a battle stimulant and synthesised it for use in combat. Then again would The enclaves best minds factor in the addiction rate and sevarity you wouldnt want a army fueled soley on jet. Then again a vault doctor was able to make an antidote with just a sample.Azzaman 06:45, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already disproved most of that in the above posts. That said, the Enclave doesn't need Jet, it has its own battle drugs and can create more. They have no need for unclean wasteland trash. On the doctor part, Troy was one of most brilliant physicians in the wastes and had access to highest tier medical equipment necessary to synthesize a cure. Hardly "just" a doctor. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:52, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Look at Bigsley. He's totally selling drugs. It's funny that the page describes him as an "Overworked Genius". He's not... that smart. Maybe in the fallout world, people who can multiply and add are considered geniuses. Sorry, that's not important. I still think it was doper BOS underlings. I understand everyone's trust in the BOS's ever-shining purity crap, but everyone is vulnerable to temptation. Nuka Kulcha 17:56, April 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * SHHHH Tagaziel will hear you! (well... read you)Azzaman 11:31, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * You guys do realize that almost nobody can get across the wasteland in the first place? The Brotherhood did it by airship, and Caesar's Legion relies on luck. Tycho and Cassidy both mention the radioactive cyclones. Nitty Tok. 11:44, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Where is that mentioned at? Knight Captain Ski (talk) 19:03, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Precisely, Nitty. BOS, all the way. Caesar's Legion doesn't even really exist yet, other than a canceled game. Nuka Kulcha 04:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Tactics (and therefore West Coast) Brotherhood are very strict on a no-drug policy. Afterburner Gum was as addictive as they could get. Nitty Tok. 02:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Jet is in the Pitt ( alot of jet can be found in the mill) if it made it there couldn't it go through one more tunnel and get to DC maybe as a deal between the Pitt raiders and the slavers "Hey we don't have money so here are some drugs for those slaves over there.The slaver you have to talk to does say something about no more bartering for them. Jbsnicket 02:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

The point here is that jet being on the east coast of North America is rational or not rational. For all we know, The Pitt might have been the epicenter of it all. Stimulants and servile construction go hand in hand, you know. Nuka Kulcha 07:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, no. Play Fallout 2 and visit Redding. Jet isn't a stimulant, it's a drug designed to addict permanently. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:11, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ummmm... I'm sure jet could pretty easily be considered a stimulant... considering the effects and what-not. Oh, and it's a "powerful methamphetamine", which is a stimulant. That's a pretty silly thing to disagree with, honestly I'm pretty surprised. Designed... By accident! Nuka Kulcha 14:51, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The effects wear off after 10 minutes, creating intense withdrawals that completely destroy any working efficency. Not a stimulant. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:54, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * How long would it have to last before you consider it a stimulant... Heck if it wasn't a stimulant what type of drug was jet in the classics?Azzaman 01:43, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Longer than when the creator says "high addiction and fast turn-around". Nitty Tok. 02:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

A stimulant is any drug that temporarily boosts physical/mental performance. The amount of time the effects last and withdrawal symptoms don't have anything to do with what a stimulant is. Hahaha, no. Nuka Kulcha 04:36, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * By that explanation, even the alcohol in Fallout 3 is a stimulant because it boosts physical performance. Alcohol is most certainly not a stimulant. Nitty Tok. 02:45, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Metalsomething, typically, tries a strawman argument, by trying to argue semantics and definitions, rather than facts. So, fact time:
 * {| class="fallout table sortable"


 * Name
 * Duration
 * Recovery
 * Mentats
 * 24 hours
 * 7 days
 * Buffout
 * 6 hours
 * 7 days
 * Psycho
 * 4 hours
 * 7 days
 * Jet
 * 0.12 hours (5 minutes)
 * Permanent addiction
 * }
 * As the table clearly shows, Mentats, Buffout and Psycho are stimulants. Jet is not - it's effects have a whooping duration of five minutes, with a permanent addiction following its use. Thus, any claim that Jet is a stimulant merely because it boosts a statistic, without regard for its duration, is an invalid argument. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:13, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 0.12 hours (5 minutes)
 * Permanent addiction
 * }
 * As the table clearly shows, Mentats, Buffout and Psycho are stimulants. Jet is not - it's effects have a whooping duration of five minutes, with a permanent addiction following its use. Thus, any claim that Jet is a stimulant merely because it boosts a statistic, without regard for its duration, is an invalid argument. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:13, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Alright... Page 1 of Logic 101. Impressive (Innuendo). By the definition given above, I could say that nicotine isn't a stimulant, because its effects don't last long enough. Same with cocain. The problem with that is that they are stimulants. My main reason for arguing that Jet is a stimulant is that, once again, it's described as a "Powerful methamphetamine". Methamphetamine is a stimulant. Therefore, Jet is a stimulant. That's pretty fucking sound. Also, one should note that what we call "Facts", are always based on semantics and definition. A stimulant has a specific chemical structure. A stimulant is never defined by the duration of its effects. No drug is classified that way. That completely flies in the face of reason. It'd be like classifying a species based on its average lifespan. Nuka Kulcha 20:06, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * See what I mean? You are trying to argue semantics instead of facts. Fact times:
 * You said The Pitt might have been the epicenter of it all. Stimulants and servile construction go hand in hand, you know.. You are not using the dictionary or medical definition of what a stimulant is, but stating that Jet could've been used in the Pitt, since it has a stimulating nature, implying it is long lasting and actually useful for a workforce. I challenge that notion and your use of stimulant. I'm not disputing the medical definition of the term, but rather, your implication that Jet is a stimulant on par with other drugs mentioned by me above. It is not.
 * As such, since the Jet rush last only five minutes, it cannot be considered a stimulant, understood as chem with positive effects that last long enough to be considered an useful tool in increasing the efficency of a common worker, which is what you were trying to invoke with your post. If you didn't, you wouldn't have written what you wrote. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:22, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure jet is more like a type of acid than anything else seeing as how some people say they didn't have anything better to do so they did jet.....so rather than a stiulant than a source fo entertainment......In the Pitt it is owned by the raiders not the slaves. Jbsnicket 02:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's not useful for the workforce, it's useful for the people controlling the workforce, as a device of control. Of course, the workforce would be better off without it. New Reno, anyone? To clear things up, I meant "Stimulant", as in "caffein meth and cocain are stimulants", or, "Stimulants are widely used to control populations and hold them in a servile position". Sorry for any ambiguity? Kinda thought you would take the word at its face value. Once more, let's go through my chain of reasoning. Jet is a powerful methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is a stimulant. Therefore, jet must be a stimulant. Sound. Nuka Kulcha 05:32, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's useful as a tool of control, I'll give you that, but it makes the workforce weaker. Ashur has a set goal for the Pitt and he considers the slaves to be worker to be eventually freed, so making them junkies and snapping their chance at a better life in the future conflicts with his goals. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:23, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as how the Jet in Fallout 3 isn't as addicting as the Jet from Fallout 2, it's obvious that it isn't the same substance. Maybe the Jet in Fallout 3 is just regular brahmin dung emissions mixed with whatever else, giving the same effect as East Coast Jet, but it doesn't have the same addiction quality because it's natural brahmin dung and not contaminated brahmin dung. It's entirely possible that the means to create Jet passed to the East Coast, but not the ability to make it addicting. To use the Coke analogy: I have a recipe for Root Beer and can make it on my own. However, my Root Beer doesn't have the "Bite" that Barq's has. It's still Root Beer, though. --MadDawg2552 19:44, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * In-game effects aren't really relevant. Compare Psycho drugs of Fallout 1 and Fallout 3. Same drug, magically altered effects. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 21:33, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You could say the same thing about every drug in Fallout 3, though Psycho was changed the most (probably because they added Med-X to the game). Given the nature of the creation of Jet, they should have at least added some kind of reason for it to appear on the east coast, or omitted it entirely and created a different drug with the effect they wanted. It kind of reminds me of the Evil Dead series where they kept changing the events of the previous movie to fit in better with the new one. --MadDawg2552 17:07, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you MadDawg, people are putting far too much faith in the word of Myron, a slimy little drug chemist. The name "Jet" is a bit of a giveaway since a jet would not be something people would be particularly aware of more than 150 years later. What seems likely is Myron used the name of a pre-existing drug for his version which is less potent in effect but much more addictive. The Jet found in the Capitol Wasteland is more like a military drug as it gives 4 times as many (scaled) action points as Myron's version without the terrible addictive qualities They're different drugs with the same name. Too bad Bethesda screwed up Psycho so badly. Perfesser 19:36, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

As I remember there was a friendly ghoul in the a metro station I had to go through in order to finish Blood Ties... I remember him talking about making UltraJet. With the knowledge that someone can make a drug like that, why not make something with a similar effect of Jet? The name would probably either be a bit of fanservice or just a "great minds think alike" kind of coincidence. Jet is a stimulant of some kind, yes? The effect can be associated with the drug.

Besides, FO people in the Capital wasteland could also make Psycho and a couple of other drugs (which I am unaware if they were in the original 2 games... and then the 2 spinoffs), so why not have the possibility of another drug? ~Thoadthetoad (please tell me how to properly sig)
 * You now, if you're not sure, it's easy to simply type Psycho or Buffout into the search box. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:43, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * well i think someone would have written down the ingredients because if you are making something and then you forget how much of something you need to make it you either ruin it or you blow up and die and you can make money making liquid tic tacs or being you know...dead so i think someone wrote it down then when myron died someone copied or stole it started selling then someone copied it from him and then they started selling copies the reason i say copies is because its a really common drugPeters 007 23:29, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * well i think someone would have written down the ingredients because if you are making something and then you forget how much of something you need to make it you either ruin it or you blow up and die and you can make money making liquid tic tacs or being you know...dead so i think someone wrote it down then when myron died someone copied or stole it started selling then someone copied it from him and then they started selling copies the reason i say copies is because its a really common drugPeters 007 23:29, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, seriously, the idea of a dealer going to the east coast isn't that crazy. Imagine this: A chemist is able to figure out the jet formula (maybe he used to work for the Mordinos or he reverse-engineered it). Anyways, he has the formula. So all he has to do is sell to all those addicts on the west coast and make huge profits right? Sure, if he wants the Mordinos to kill him. Drug dealers are highly territorial, and the Mordinos would not approve of any business rivals, so the only logical choice is to find another market. Hence, drug migration. Simple economics. RadRuler 21:44, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

The hypothesis about Myron is very interesting. He's a cocky slimeball and it's totally in character for him to plagiarize something half assedly and call it his own.

The current incarnation of Jet seems to be a bit like PCP.

Since there is no real explanation, the Jet on the east coast is the original military grade stimulant. The kind Myron cooked up was a copy that was made into something instantly addictive.

Or, it was Bethesda getting lazy. Honestly though it's not a mistake worth fighting over. Scannerfish 06:19, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

This page is way to fucking long... listen guys, the idea that merchants took the secret of Jet with them makes sense. HAROLD made it all the way from West Coast to East Coast. so i believe either merchants or Enclave brought it Dunmer999 05:31, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

i had hoped this little rage bomb had been killed by now...please don't resurrect it. Sounga 06:12, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not. i'm trying to help keep it dead. it's annoying how so many people talk so much about this.Dunmer999 19:56, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I never really cared how or why Jet made it to DC. I just accept that it is there. That said, I think it is perfectly reasonable that it simply was brought there, perhaps by drug dealers, perhaps by addicts and other travelers. Hell, the Enclave were working with the Salvatore family, supplying them with drugs--so maybe THEY had something to do with it too. Either way, Jet is in DC. Does it really matter HOW it got there? --SergeantDornan 01:51, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not much the matter, Seargeant, but the explanation. Imagine that George Lucas suffers an accident, die and the rights of Star Wars is selled to Fox. Then Fox create an spin-off in wich the forces of the Empire discover Earth! Then, the empire conquers Earth, but Earth "somehow" acquires technology of the empire and begin to manufacture modified Tie-Fighters that have shields and is never explained how we did it. Well, you can imagine where this would lead. LOL The point is not "having Jet in DC", but how it got there, if the setting is a contradiction of the long and well established lore? Bioware did this in Mass Effect 2, contradicting A LOT of things that were introduced in the first game. That's why a lot of people thinks that the first game is better than the second. Brfritos 12:51, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

The definition of this thread. 18:37, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Can't we just accept that Bethesda was lazy, didn't read into things and placed it in the game for gameplay purposes, with little to no regards to continuity? It doesn't have to be justified; people can screw up. Deal with it.--Kleiner352 21:25, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

As somebody stated above, it is quite possible that a similar drug was invented on the East-Coast and called "jet" by some travellers from the west coast (don't say that it can't happen, because it can) YuriKaslov 21:27, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps "jet" was a common pre-war drug. Perhaps on the west coast pre-war stocks were used up before FO1. Perhaps when the Mordino family developed the formula for a substance that replicated the effects of pre-war jet (although in a more addictive form) they adopted the name "jet" for marketing purposes. This would not only explain how "jet" can be found in sealed vaults on the east coast but also why it is not as addictive as Mordino "jet".75.67.224.12 06:41, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

@Kleiner352...Problem is, when you say that people get angry, because "Bethesda is FTW" (rolling eyes). Brfritos 12:45, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think it was just Bethesda going "Look! This was in a previous Fallout, it's CONNECTED!" It's glaring to me because there was an alternative; granted I don't like the art direction of Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel but it had After Burner gum. After Burner was a stand-in for Jet that didn't have the limiting back-story elements that Jet had. Fallout 3 could have had that or made up their own thing.--OvaltinePatrol 19:54, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think we are all underestimating the 'sharability' of chems. I mean what do people that get high do? They share their experience with others if they like them. So it's not entirely crazy that Jet was able to be shared enough times to not only be able to cross the continent but was used so much that someone figured out how to make it.

Whether or not Bethesda was scrambling for a consumer group is irrelevant, as I would be a lot more surprised that concentrated shit fumes couldn't make it across the continent of an anarchaic society of chemed up raiders and junkies galore.--98.243.106.164 21:19, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Murphy, a ghoul in the seneca metro station , can make ultrajet , and has lots of jet with him .. being a ghoul he is no doubt able to live long periods of time ... he could have made a trip from the west coast ... but most importantly, if hes able to understand the properties of jet enough to enhance them with suger bombs , why would he not be able to crack the mystery of their discovery ? honestly, this isnt that hard to understand ... there are many logical explanations .. 79.173.229.125 11:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)