Forum:Page naming update

Currently our Page naming policy is as follows;

Naming

 * Article and category names should be as precise and at the same time as short as possible.
 * For characters, titles and ranks should not be included in the article title. For example, if a character is called "Paladin XYZ", the article should be named "XYZ". Full names are preferred if possible.
 * Article names should not be overcapitalized. They should be "Fallout series" and "Fallout setting", not "Fallout Series" and "Fallout Setting", regardless of in-game spelling. Proper names, such as Pancor Jackhammer should be capitalized, but common words, like combat shotgun, should not.
 * If it's not clear whether a name is a proper name or a common one, naming should be discussed and decided on a case by case basis.
 * If the spelling used on the wiki is different from the in-game spelling, a redirect from the in-game spelling should be created.
 * Names should generally be singular (i.e. "Mutant", not "Mutants"). Overview article names should be plural (e.g. "Fallout 3 items").
 * Overview articles should be named "  " (e.g. "Fallout 2 factions").
 * Category names should generally be plural unless this is impossible or awkward to do.

Disambiguation

 * If a given term can refer to multiple articles (i.e. if it is "ambiguous"), the articles should be moved to non-ambiguous (or "disambiguated") titles. A disambiguation page, i.e. a page which links to all possible articles this term may refer to, should then be placed at the ambiguous title.
 * In absence of other possibilities to disambiguate the titles (like a surname for a common first name), a term in brackets should be appended to the end. The terms should be chosen from the following list; the first characteristic in which the subjects differ is to be used.
 * full name of the game the subject appears in (e.g. "Fallout 2" or "Fallout Tactics")
 * type of subject (e.g. "character" or "item")
 * location (e.g. "Shady Sands" or "Arroyo")
 * other characteristics of the subjects
 * If a term is disambiguated by game and an article refers to multiple games, the term in brackets should only contain the game of first occurrence. Disambiguated titles for the other games should be redirected to it. For example, if an article refers to both Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 the article should be called "Example (Fallout 2)" and "Example (Fallout 3)" should redirect to it.

I wish to change it to add a section dealing with Nicknames, expand our Character naming parameters, and expand our what our overview page name policy.

Examples;
 * "Klamath Bob" "Jagged Jimmy J" "Madame Modjeska"


 * If a given term can refer to multiple articles (i.e. if it is "ambiguous"), the articles should be moved to non-ambiguous (or "disambiguated") titles. A disambiguation page, i.e. a page which links to all possible articles this term may refer to, should then be placed at the ambiguous title.
 * In absence of other possibilities to disambiguate the titles (like a surname for a common first name), a term in brackets should be appended to the end. The terms should be chosen from the following list; the first characteristic in which the subjects differ is to be used.
 * If a character is of enough notability, (ie Harry) then the disambiguation page will be titled (Harry (disambiguation))
 * full name of the game the subject appears in (e.g. "Fallout 2" or "Fallout Tactics")
 * type of subject (e.g. "character" or "item")
 * location (e.g. "Shady Sands" or "Arroyo")
 * faction (e.g. "Character (faction)")
 * occupation (e.g "Smith (employer)")
 * A combination of the Game and other Parameter(s) of the subjects
 * If a term is disambiguated by game and an article refers to multiple games, the term in brackets should only contain the game of first occurrence. Disambiguated titles for the other games should be redirected to it. For example, if an article refers to both Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 the article should be called "Example (Fallout 2)" and "Example (Fallout 3)" should redirect to it.
 * "Combat shotgun" or "Combat shotguns"

--Ant2242 (talk) 01:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion
Nicknames: I feel that as an encyclopedia, it is important to note nicknames wherever possible. However, in most cases, I believe nicknames should only be noted within the article-space itself. Only time I can see a nickname being used as the article's name itself, is when the nickname is considered more notable than a NPC's actual name. No ambiguity - this ought to be something that is clearly evident in-game.

Overview Articles: I honestly do not think we need any rules governing this at all, except something general to lay out a foundation. We should name our articles, including directory pages attached to them, depending on circumstance and proper English conventions. The English language can be pretty flaky, so I feel that it would be necessary to tackle names as they pop up, instead of lumping everything together into over-specific rules. GarouxBloodline (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Same views as Garoux. I also think nicknames can be included if there are multiple of character with a name, like Sarah for example, Instead of "Sarah (Fallout: New Vegas), it can be Pretty Sarah so it can. And Overview pages seem fine to me as is, no strict rules are really needed, but a base layout doesn't sound bad. Shadowrunner(stuff) 09:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

On the subject of nicknames, I feel they should be used as article titles when they are prominent enough. I.e. Johnson from Redding should really be Painless Doc Johnson, because that's how everyone calls him in Redding, as he specifically notes. That's why I also moved Modjeska to Madame Modjeska and Magnum Tom Goddard and Scorpion Joe Cornelius are where they are.

In general, these are all fair points across the board, Ant. I've already explained my position on nicknames above. I do think that we could use a more concrete policy for naming disambiguated pages, though I think it could be more specific. Rather than use generic terms (employer), narrow it this way:


 * Game (Joe (Fallout 2))
 * Location (given that only Fallout and Fallout 2 share locations, this isn't as much of a problem as it might appear) (Joe (New Reno))
 * Location and occupation (Joe (New Reno tailor))
 * Faction (Joe (Desmoines))
 * Faction and occupation (Joe (Desmoines stripper))

How do you feel? Tagaziel (talk) 09:41, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

As long as we can add the consensus to the policy page, then I'm fine.--Ant2242 (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I've updated the section.

On another note; I've noticed while reviewing the REF guidelines and noticed that we should review all of the Redirects and Shortcuts to them.--Ant2242 (talk) 00:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)