Talk:Big Trouble in Big Town

Lawbringer Perk?
I'm replaying the game with all the DLC installed, I'm level 28, and I just got Red back to town. When the options to talk to her about what could be done to protect the town, I got [Lawbringer] "Lawbringers have been dispatched and are on the way to defend the city." Red was really happy about this. However, I didn't see any Lawbringers after going outside, and ended up having to shoot the crap outta 4 or 5 Super Mutant Masters/Overlords. Not a hard fight at this point but still, not something I've seen mentioned anywhere else. 85.29.99.92 20:56, October 25, 2009 (UTC) Pardon??????tzStrike|PratzStrike]] 22:18, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

People are scripted to die?
I Went back to the town to do "Strictly Buisness" and everyone was gone. I tried moving Bittercup to via the console and she died immediately. she did the same every time i resurrected her to. I fixed the sentry bot when they wanted help, but the mutants never came. Also, pappy ran away when i came back that time for some reason. I found him later dead next to a super mutant corpse.

Fast Travel back to Big Town
I was able to fast travel back to big town with both Shorty and Red in tow. We arrived unharmed, and was then able to complete the Mutants Attack scenario directly after. 199.171.86.151 21:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Quest-specific NPCs usually follow you when you fast travel. It worked the same way in Oblivion. Whomever wrote this article (badly) put far too much himself and his lack of playtesting into it. --FFN 09:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Preparing for the Super Mutant attack
According to this article, I can provide skills training to the NPCs in Big Town after returning with Red and Shorty in tow, as well as repair the two robots. Problem is, I never get the option to train them, and the robots in the junkyard have to options when I select them. I've even tried resorted to trying the resurrect command, which just sends them flying a high speed in one direction before collapsing again. The solution provided in this article is for when the robots have clipped through the floor and have vanished (or something). I tried it anyway but the 'bots still flew away. --FFN 09:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

-- Worked fine for me. Mirar 19:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

--Im using a 360, and I found one robot in the junkyard. But I repaired it and it shot lasers at the super mutants.... so yeah.


 * how do you get the options? how high is high? 50? Onikage01 23:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) For me the protectron was not there in the junkyard so I fast travelled away and then back to big town. The ragdoll protectron fell from the sky and landed in the middle of ig town, that meant the mutants attacked.

Lots of options
I get the following options for defense strategies: Presumably there's also options for Melee and Unarmed? My character are very low in those. Any other options? After trying:
 * [Explosives] You could setup a minefield to keep Super Mutants from just strolling in.
 * [Science] You should have some robot defenders. I can show you what to do with them.
 * [Small Guns] If you can arm yourselves, I can teach you how to shoot.
 * [Sneak] I'll teach you how to sneak and hide. They'll think you deserted the town.
 * [Explosives] Mines: Doesn't stop Mutants at all.
 * [Small Guns]: All the Big Town little people will shoot each other.
 * [Science]: Those bots are pretty efficient, actually.

- Mirar 18:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I used the science option, and restored the bots using resurrect as per this article, but I still had to wait around for the mutants to show up and help the robots out. When I'd killed them, everyone was thankful and they told me I'd helped them. Even if it the quest doesn't show up in the pipboy, this felt like a quest closing speech. If I hadn't waited around, I don't think I would've gotten that message.
 * - Johan 06:40, 12 November 2008 (CET)


 * I have used the small guns and explosives option, and you're still going to have to do the heavy lifting. I usually lay down my own minefield regardless, and stand at the end of the bridge. Big Town residents have a bad habit of running up to confront the Super Mutants in CQB (close quarters battle), and usually end up dead. Shadowgm 15:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Shadowgm

(In response to Mirar: I have melee in the high eighties and didn't get an option.)

Lol I just did this quest today, and (not knowing any of these options) I was expecting a HUGE attack since I was at level 19. However, all that showed up were 4 Super Mutants with Sledges. Very easy victory. 67.55.144.201 05:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Buggy Super Mutant corpse
Whenever I tried telling the people of Big Town, I'd stay and help them (as opposed to helping them help themselves using skills), I've experienced a weird bug. After I kill off a few of the Super Mutants, there is still a threat marker on the compass, and Fawkes seems to be shooting blindly into space.

At first I thought this had something to do with Fawkes being erroneously marked as an enemy Super Mutant, but then I entered VATS and saw a corpse of a fallen Super Mutant. This corpse was always either underground or behind some obstacle, so I could never see anything but the outline, and had 0% chance to hit. The corpse was moving all around the map with Fawkes chasing after it, never being able to hit it.

Eventually, I had to reload and choose the (also buggy) robot option. This bug occurred every time, I tried the stick-around-and-help option, which is something like five times in a row. I'm on a PC.

- Johan 06:48, 12 November 2008 (CET)

Try the tcl command, and chase after it. Firelance 00:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For that matter, are you patched or not? --DarkJeff 16:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Auto quest
Don't know if this was just me but had a saved game before i left 101. Went to big town and the quest was already completed all i had to do was speak to red who was already there. It looked she probaly spawned there. And when i went back to the old save the same problem would occur. Don't know if it was just a one off with me or if the has happened to other people.

this happened to me too. i made four different saves but it always happened.

buggy robots on xbox
tried robot option, not in junkyard.. then i get attacked by 3 enclave. half the town dead.

then i went north east of the town. found a deathclaw killing a sentry bot and robobrain. killed it, went onto house, 2 more enclave soldiers and an sentry bot. this happen to anyone else?

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Ummm.....
What happens if I trained them to use small arms, but then left immediately after. Do the Super Mutants kill them all? I traveled back after I heard a Scavenger mention that "Everybody at Big Town had been killed or captured by Super Mutants"" and no one was there. 68.112.143.25 01:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was there to help and some died, so they'd probably all die...  01:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Bugged on PS3 as well
Just want to note that the robots seem to be bugged as well for PS3. I just selected the option and all the villagers wander over to the junkyard....but there is nothing there to fix. Only thing you can even interact with is an empty lawnmower...guess its time to reload and choose another option. Skitz470 03:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Just wnat to say, the Sentry Bot is now in the junkyard when I play, but not the Protectron. Don't worry though, because if you wait, when the Sentry Bot moves toward the bridge that leads into Big Town, the Protectron will mysteriously appear out of thin air.

Anyway to fix this?
Is there anyway to fix the Robot glitch on th 360? They're not there for me, and I want to know if there's anything I can do.

I wonder why no one documented the caps reward? I was able to get 500 caps total, at the cost of a little karma (300 for asking for a reward, which costs you your original karma bonus, then another 200 if you pass a speech test demanding more money - which costs you a little karma) Red says she was going to use that money for medicine, but that you can have it, then moves on to the "another attack" speech. 66.93.24.19 08:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Where can I find the Police HQ Basement?
I'm at the Ground Floor currently, and can't figure out how to get in--65.255.69.89 23:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)Anonymous

Possible boring ending
Dunno whether this should be mentioned in the article, but players may stumble across the same "problem" I had. I was waiting for the attack to occur and it didn't happen. Reloading a save showed, that apparently a sentry bot spawned right next to Big Town (north of the shack north of the exit) and killed all the mutants for us. There appears a note "karma won", and "quest ended" and you can get the 8-ball but you do not get to see the action. (The sentry bot was weakened enough to be easily taken out when I approached, but did not head for BT at all). --87.155.229.188 20:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Enslaving Red at Germantown Police HQ
On the PS3, I made the mistake of enslaving Red upon rescuing her. After rescuing Shorty, I fast-travelled to Big Town. Here I saw Red running towards the town entrance, presumably to Paradise Falls. I caught up with her and I had the option to remove the slave collar with a high enough science skill. Afterwards, the slave collar is returned to the PC inventory as an essential item. The next dialogue options were about the reward for rescuing Red followed by the options to help defend Big Town (or to leave it to themselves).

On PC i enslaved Red while still in the police station. Anyone know how i can get her back or kill her so i can complete this quest?

...In order to complete this quest (assuming you enslaved her in Germantown), Red must be freed or killed. You can find her in Paradise Falls with the other slaves. {Jukie}

Super Mutants Don't Attack
On the 360, I fixed the broken Sentry Bot for the people. The Sentry Bot moves around the town and the people follow it but the super mutants never show up so the people seem to be stuck following the robot forever. I know the mutants appear because first I taught them to lay mines but somehow Timebomb walked on one and died right before the mutants attacked so I started over and taught them to fix the bot.

This is because there is 2 robots to fix. The protectron has a bug when it spawns (partially in the landscape) and if you look up right after you fast travel you will see it go flying across the map (when it spawns the landscape collision sends it flying). When you fix the 1 robot pappy wanders to the protectron (wherever it may have landed) to fix it and may end up dead in route. The attack never happened because the trigger was waiting for the protectron to be "in position" in front of the bridge... I'm told that it will happen edventually...  if you want to wait that long.

I'm told that if you goto the junkyard and move the protectron under a nearby porch before or right after recieving the quest, when he respawns he respawns under it after you complete the quest and bounces around and comes to a stop allowing him to be repaired there instead of out in the wastes somewhere.

Enemies spawn in Big Town when helping them defend.
One I used my science skill to reapir a sentry bot for the Big town residents, it worked well but the oddest thing occured, a Protectron spawned in the center of Big Twon and attacked me. I quickly destroyed and dispacthed the mutants, but it is odd for random enemies to spawn in Big Town.

Enclave attack
So,the other day i went to enslave red,i enslaved her and walked out of her clinic,and i saw a usual enclave squad(2 soldiers and an officer) killing the bigtown residents,i used a stealth boy to kick and watch the action,when my characters tempoary blindness kciked in(i had a crippled head).once it finished,i saw all the people dead,in usual mvovies poses(smped against walls,hung over a bench) but there was a fully crippled,hostile enclave solider with a laser pistol standing in the carnage,it would appear he tried to survive(i pickpocked gatling lasers and tesla on the big townies) and turned on his comrades to survive,unfortunately the super mutants respawned and shot him in the kidneys,his right leg and left arm flew off and he almost got nailed to a wall,so i didnt have a chance to lincoln-arize him.Werewolfhell 19:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Everyone's gone?
I rescued the two folk from the police station, then revived the two bots to guard the town. Then a single super mutant attacked and I killed it. I hung around for a while and nothing happened, so I figured (stupidly, I admit) that the "attack" was one mutant. So after hanging around and nothing happened, I left. That was ages ago (I think I've gone up like 8 levels since), and I just went back there and triggered what I assume to be the proper attack; the two robots were at the bridge, and four mutants spawned and attacked. But the thing is, no one is in the town. It's deserted. All the buildings are empty. The bots still roam around, though.

Any ideas?

Finally, someone who had the same result as I did. I've been reading all around trying to find someone with the same problem... The difference between your result and mine, however, is that after I activated the Sentry Bot, I did get an attack, and I helped fight off the Super Mutants. Afterwards, the quest ended, and I received my karma. Similarly, I leveled up 8-10 levels, and decided to visit Big Town again, and I noticed that the Sentry Bot and Protectron still walk about the town, but all the residents are nowhere to be found. I'm told that if they were killed in a Super Mutant attack, the bodies of Red and Shorty would be found in the City Hall. But nothing... They're all just gone. I'm afraid I have no solution to this -- but I think it's fair to say that Big Town is one of the glitchiest places I've visited in the Capital Wasteland. -JL

I had the same issue. -football

Same thing here, I came back after about 8 or 10 levels and saw only the two bots. I helped the bots fight off about 4 or 5 mutants and a random raider but there were no people. I also couldn't find any corpses in any of the buildings.... weird. - wildtootight2

Are they hiding?
After I finished the quest I tought them how to sneak, I come back 13 levels later and there is no one to welcome me back, just a scavenger. Could they be permanently hiding?

about the bug with Super mutants that never appear...
Solution says to enter a house, Wait, and exit.

Confirmed, it works.

NO ROBOTS in Big Town
I saved Red and the cheeky little teenager at the Germantown Police Station, Fast Travelled back with them to Big Town and there was NO ROBOTS TO FIX in the Junkyard, now everyone is standing around slagging me off LOL. Any ideas when the BOTS APPEAR and no Super Mutant attack is happening.

First time round this went fine on the Xbox 360, now its messed up.

Any Ideas?????? When these broken BOTS appear????

LT_Jones


 * Read the bugs section of this article. They should be there. If they are not, they have likely been fired off at a random angle and will be very hard to find. Re-loading your save file and choosing a simpler option such as 'teaching them how to shoot' or 'sneak' is recommended. Radithor 10:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

A huge bug when killing everyone in Big town and still have the quest
I have it active and It doesn't show the location where to find their freinds capture.OutcastNeedhelp 21:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Shorty
I found Big Town and left, came back later and no one would tell me what was going on, but then Shorty was still in Big Town and half of his dialogue is Big Town like what happens in big town and half is Police Station like wait here until i get back Red is still in the Police Station

robots disapearing completely
The bugs section states that the protectron would likely fire off in a random direction. In my case neither the protectron nor the sentry bot was present in the junkyard. The command player.move moved me just outside the the big town walls, but the protectron was still nowhere to be seen...

Yeah, the same thing for me. I found the protectron near the river. You might want to check there.

Robots are not attacking the Super Mutants!
I chose the [Science]-option, repaired both robots and then waited around to see the Super Mutant attack. But when it finally happened, both the Sentry Bot and the Protectron just stand around while the Super Mutants kill everyone else!

I already reloaded twice, once from a save just outside Bigtown and once from before I got the quest!

unconfirmed bugs
--Kingclyde 23:05, September 28, 2009 (UTC) --ArmeniusLOD 17:01, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are doing the Strictly Business quest while doing Big Trouble In Big Town, if you speak to Red and go through the dialogue with her in the Police Headquarters you can then mezz her and turn her into a slave. She will then run to Paradise Falls. If you then rescue Shorty and return to Big Town it will say get your reward of Red when she is in Paradise Falls. The quest marker while aimlessly guide you around the area of Big Town and just keep randomly moving across the Wasteland, meaning you can not finish this quest.
 * When you enter the police station, Red will sometimes be seen running around outside of her cell. You can't talk to her at this point, and she will continue wandering through the building, so it may be a good idea to follow her to make sure she doesn't get killed by Super Mutants. Once the mutants are dead, if you exit the area and then go back in, she should be back inside her (locked) cell.
 * When selecting the "looks like you could use a weapon" option with either Red or Shorty, you have access to their apparrell. You can give them different armor, or switch their clothes even. Whatever they are wearing when you enter Big Town will remain on them. You can dress them up rather amusingly.
 * If the player enters Bigtown (Without already speaking with the guard at the bridge) via jumping on a mailbox, then onto a roof, the quest will appear upon landing in Bigtown. Shorty can be found wandering around Bigtown with dialog as if he is still in Germantown Police HQ. Red, however, will be at the police station. Upon entering you will (possibly) hear gunfire and fail the quest because Red died.
 * In my game, I defended against the attack. However, when I returned to Big Town, 4 non hostile Super Mutants were standing in the middle of the town and all the residents had disappeared.
 * Did you only kill one wave of the mutants? --Kingclyde 05:19, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I showed up in Bigtown and they were all already carrying small arms, I have never seen this before. Later when I did the battle I had ressurected the robots yet the Bigtowners "attempted" to fight with thier weapons as well. If anyone knows how I bugged it this way that would be great information. Everything else worked as expected. I was level 25 at the time and Stinkey was left to fend for himself on the run over(consequently he was not in Bigtown when I arrived).

more bugs

 * There is a way to complete both Strictly Business, or Big trouble in Big town at the same time without having to free Red from the slaves. Simply put the collar on red, and have Shorty follow you. Travel to Big Town, and you will get the Big Trouble In Big Town quest completed. Then you will see red, with the collar on, run off towards paradise falls. Travel to paradise falls, and you shall reap both rewards.


 * If you elect to teach the residents shooting, leave before the target shooting begins and place a string of mines along the road such that the number and power of the mines will kill all attacking mutants near their spawn point, then return and start the target practice session: the residents will fire at the assorted targets indefinitely. The mines will kill all the mutants so far away from the bridge guard that he will never run over and announce the attack. The quest will continue to be active until you run away from the target practice area and toward the center of Big Town (near the fire in the barrel), where the quest completion trigger will activate and stop the target practice.


 * Red may somehow escape from her cell and get chased by her super mutant captors into big town completing the quest without you doing anything.


 * If you kill the Mutant talking to Shorty before he's stopped talking, sometimes the voice will still stay and Shorty will respond. This is solved by talking to him.

--Kingclyde 05:19, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Another thing to consider (PS3) - I chose to repair the Sentry Bot and Protectron (the residents did this one). I also had Charon with me when the attack started - the bots (and my bridge mines) dealt with the two Super Mutant attacks easily, however once the fight was over Charon considered the Sentry Bot to be hostile and they started fighting each other. Naturally, I had to side with Charon and kill the robot. Therefore, its a good idea to have followers wait in a nearby building until the fight is over. I'm not sure what will happen to Big Town now they are unprotected once again.86.133.160.240 11:22, April 25, 2010 (UTC)gavgav77


 * Repaired robots can step on mines you set up and cause the whole town to turn hostile

GNR Report
Hey, does anyone know how to get the evil karma GNR report for bigtown because Three Dog said that I saved it rather than ditch it. And I basically left it to die. Oh, and the robot glitches are usually associated with the protectron, just drag it under one of the houses canopies.

Easier way to have Big Town survive?
So, I came up with this idea in school 1 month ago, problem is my sneak sucks. Anyways, the idea is reverse pick-pocketing the better weapon with their corresponding weapon. Also the weapons should be fully repaired.

Ex. Chinese Pistol or 10mm Pistol users get 10mm Submachineguns Sawed-Off Shotgun users get Combats Shotguns .32 Pistol users get Hunting Rifles

I think it would be fun and a truly amusing situation. But then of course you could just equip them with miniguns and missile launchers, but of course it would use lots of ammo. But, I think the only problem is that 10mm Submachineguns run out of ammo and additional ammo would be RP-P'ed.

--68.50.119.75 01:33, December 2, 2009 (UTC)Anonymous soon-to-be wiki member

Ask about Shorty before giving Red a weapon
I gave Red a weapon first thing after unlocking the cell door and there were no dialog options about Shorty, just "wait here" and "come on". Reloaded the save and asked "is there anyone else?" first and it worked fine. (PC GotY) 97.73.64.152 03:08, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Red/Shorty (Xbox)
If you rescue Red only and complete the quest, can you go save Shorty at a later period?

thanks!

[mailto:-cowsgrazeingrass@yahoo.com -cowsgrazeingrass@yahoo.com]


 * Nope, he's there, but you can't free him. You gotta leave him there or kill him. SuSpence95 (Talk) 03:00, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

ID for Big Town robots
2C11A

5AC77

Base-Id's for the Robots helps if you already activated them but the quest failed somehow because of a bug. you can reset all chars and show them how to repair it again.

For reference, incase they dissappear before activation. Eddo36 14:03, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * PRID 2d934
 * kill
 * resurrect
 * disable
 * enable
 * PRID 2c11b
 * kill
 * resurrect
 * disable
 * enable

Big Town civil war
(PS3)So after getting Red and Shorty back and helping them defend of the mutants with Small Guns option. When the first 2 mutants come, everything goes smoothly. But when I saw the next to come from the distance, I decided to pick them off from there. Well I killed one and for whatever reason the other mutant gets knocked down (I wasn't using Paralazing Palm, Victory Rifle or Guass Rifle). So that mutant just stays there motionless but still alive. Then for some strange reason everypne in Big Town including Fawkes start firing at Bittercup, Flash and Kimba. The strange thing is that there was a red compass marker looking at them. But I saw nothing, so I walk away to where that mutant was and I look back. Magically a mutant spawns in the middle of town and gets ripped apart. 76.172.249.120 01:26, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Super Mutant Guard
While I was rescuing Shorty, the Super Mutant that was talking to him was, to my surprise, an Overlord (I play the PS3 GOTY edition). I saved Shorty, but it was a difficult battle. I think the Overlord was there because I was a mid- to high-level. Should it be added that the type of Mutant guarding Shorty can vary depending you the player's level? RolandWolfheart 20:38, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most likely, I had this happen half the time. Same platform. 76.172.249.120 13:41, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fast travel [please respond]
Is it possible to fast travel to big town or do you have to walk there after you find red and shorty?

yes, yes it is. Provided you have the map marker.

Buggy Super Mutants
I fixed the Protectron (since it flew off outside of town) and then waited twice for 1 hour when I was back in town. The Super Mutants appeared but wouldn't attack. My attacks and Dogmeat's didn't harm them, but the others did hurt them. When their health reached 0, they would just disappear with their weapons still in the holstered position floating there by themselves for a second or two (Cheshire Mutants). The quest counted as completed as soon as the third one was killed by them. Did anyone else ever have this happen to them? Ganondorf 00:43, September 9, 2011 (UTC)