Template talk:Navbox antagonists

It should be reduced to main Boss. Eg. President Dick Richardson with 55hp is not a challange. F3 Overboss is Behemoth probably, it is known Enclave President's name also.--dotz 08:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Richardson is the main boss, because he's in charge of the Enclave. He's not a killing machine himself, but he's the main villain as the mastermind behind the Enclave. He might not be the main boss in terms of gameplay, but he's definitely the main villain in terms of story. As for FO3, we don't know yet whether the Enclave or the super mutants will be the main villain, or something else altogether. Ausir 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Bit forced explanation. What about main villain in Fallout demo?--dotz 14:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO MAIN VILLAIN IN THE DAMN DEMO!!!!! Ausir's explanation is exactly what I had in mind when I made the lists. Darkman 4 15:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * How is the explanation forced? As the leader of the Enclave, the president is clearly the main villain, even if he's not a boss in gameplay terms. Ausir 20:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the Overseer should be included for Fallout 1. And Behemoth is clearly a determined enemy in Fallout 3, as well to correspond with the other lists, Fallout 3 should be before the spin-offs. voluntas 05:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added Fallout 3's Enclave president, John Henry Eden. Ausir 08:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wernher as a bad guy
I think Wernher should be added as an antagonist. He isn't initially the bad guy, but based on decisions in the DLC, he can turn against you. When he becomes an enemy no karma is lost for having made him your enemy or killing him. In fact, given that he used to be Ashur's lieutenant, his motivations for helping the slaves appear to be mainly in the interest of revenge against Ashur. It's ambiguous sure, but you can just as easily say Ashur was a good guy for wanting to one day free the slaves and giving them the cure once The Pitt was rebuilt, and that he didn't want to take the slaves to begin with. It looks like the bad guy can be either one, based on which path you follow, so both warrant inclusion. 74.215.110.151 02:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Pitt and Op: Anch.
I believe that the characters from these DLCs shouldn't be counted as true main antagonists, as first two DLCs only expand the story, not continues it. So I deleted Jingwei and Ashur from the Template... Anyway, if you people disagree with me you could always put them back.