Talk:Great Khans

Leader
The question that was here has been moved to Forum:Great Khans. -- 20:09, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Origins
I added a blurb about the likely origin of the Great Khans as a group: PreWar biker gang. In-game evidence and external links to support the theory are under the Notes section. ~Anonymous of the Wastes. December 4, 2010

UPDATE: I would appreciate it if whoever keeps deleting this reference from the Notes section stops. The connection between the Khans and a motorcycle club is fairly obvious for anyone who has the slightest bit of knowledge on the subject of gang culture. I will continue reposting the info until someone provides me with concrete evidence to the contrary. ~Anonymous of the Wastes. December 23, 2010
 * No, we know the origins of the Khans from Fallout 1, and they were not a biker gang. See the main article about the Khans. Ausir(talk) 19:12, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I really appreciate taking the time to explain the theory's fault rather than just deleting it outright. As I've never played Fallout 1, I had no idea of the Vault 15 connection. I still think they may have been "inspired" by biker culture, but I'll leave that unsaid =). ~ Anonymous of the Wastes.


 * Is it worth noting that the Great Khans are connected to the original Khans in name only, as all of the original gang apart from Darion were killed in fallout 1, and Darion himself was killed later on in fallout 2? I would assume if the Great Khans are related to the Khans they would have ben set up by survivors of the New Khans.--GreyMullen 04:40, December 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just realised that either the article on Darion or this article must be wrong. It states on Darion's page that he was 'the sole survivor of the Vault Dweller's massacre when the latter came to the rescue of Tandi'.  Yet on this article it states 'After the Khans were nearly eradicated in 2161, some traveled to the Mojave Wasteland and formed the Great Khans'.  I don't have any references to state which one is wrong however.--GreyMullen 05:07, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's likely that Darion was the sole survivor of the massacre of the "Raiders" location, NOT the sole surviving Khan. There must have been Khan raiding parties far away from Garl and Darion when the Vault Dweller was killing them.--Alexmikli 05:42, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair point, now that I think about it there were apparently 200 odd vipers at the start so I would assume there would be a similar amount of Khans, the 10 odd at the raiders location probably isn't all of them.--GreyMullen 17:00, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Conditions for becoming leader?
I'm looking into the required conditions for becoming leader of the Great Khans. One of my couriers succesfully did this, but another failed to initialize the conversation with Papa Khan. It is clear to me that "We are Legion" is a requirement, but there are other conditions. Just having sufficient rep with the Khans and the Legion doesn't do the trick. So far I've tried (via the console) to complete "Render Unto Caesar", set NCR rep to "vilified", Legion rep to "Idolized", and that didn't do it. Does anyone know what other conditions need to be met? I believe these should be found and added to the article, because as it stands, the info is incomplete / incorrect. --DanTheHitman 12:19, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

-I just got the dialogue. I did the "We are Legion" quest, and did "Abba Dabba Honeymoon" quest, as well as killing the NCR in Boulder City and letting the Khans walk away, all without talking to Pappa Khan. I then went into his longhouse with a Khan rep of "Liked", an NCR rep of "Vilified", and a Legion rep of "Neutral". I talked to him about everything except the alliance, then left his longhouse. I waited an hour, walked back in, started dialogue, and he named me his heir. After I killed him without alerting the Khans, Regis recognized me as the leader and asked what I wanted to do, however Karl never gave me his special dialogue. I hope this helps you, and anyone else who wants to become the leader of the Khans. -Anonymous

Reputation.
What ways are there to earn positive reputation with the Khans? So far, I've helped the ones get out of Boulder City, done the drug running missions for Diane, given Jack all recipes except one, and finished Cry Me A River. I can't start Oh My Papa, as I want to keep this save available to side with the Legion or NCR (and having the khans with either at Hoover Dam). I killed one Khan in a quest for Bitter Springs, and that brought my rep down a bit. Are there any other ways than what I've said here?--86.42.248.200 19:31, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Khans everywhere!
I went and killed Papa Khan for the NCR,now unfortunately wherever I fast travel they are there! An unnamed Khan appears and says "What will we do without Papa?" Its really annoying nobody even saw me do it. Same thing has happened with my friend. HELP!, PSN Dusty_Hammer