Forum:What constitutes a "Pure Human"?

Of course, obvious detremental mutations could define a "lesser human", but consider that all living things on the planet are a long string of mutations, not all of which are immediately beneficial. For instance, loss of over-all muscle mass and a larger brain in early man may not have been immediately realised as a benefit. Honestly, I find it that people managing to live in a radioactive wasteland for 200 years might be a little genetically superior to those... other guys (EG. Daniel Bird). At least some of them, anyhow. Nuka Kulcha 04:59, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

In the fallout universe, the Master and the Enclave knew/know that Vault inhabitants are pure strain, untouched by radiation, FEV, and Radiated FEV strain. What you are talking about with muscle mass and brian size is natural mutation, i.e. evolution. The master, however, thought that FEV was the purest form, like himself. But because he was from Vault City as a human, he beat the odds and became an advanced form of life. Almost all the wastelanders were affected by the mutated FEV, so they became the mutants, promting the master to find Vaults, like number 13. The Enclave knew about the mutated strain, and their new FEV would eliminate them, leaving only pure strain humans, like themselves, to rule the planet. They tried to do the same thing again, except this time with water.

Each species has it's pros and cons. Don't jugde, or I'll go PC on yo ass. Big McLargeHuge 05:25, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sure those were "natural" mutations, but any kind of mutation has to do with removing or replacing genetic information, no matter what the cause was. 97.123.40.161 14:43, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Mutated FEV is not the deciding factor. The deciding factor is radiation count and radiation damage in DNA. That was the key variable in the creation of supermutants - a radiation-affected organism would not survive the mutation, which was designed for pure, pre-war humans. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 18:00, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

I just don't understand how the Enclave or the BOS could do anything based on pure/non-pure humans. Pretty much, as soon as you step out of the vault, drink a beer without leaving the vault, smoke a cigarette in the vault, or breathe in a tiny little dust particle in the vault, your genetic structure begins to change. Walking outside, for instance, causes mutations. I could see "Purer than", but not "Pure", because it would be impossible to determine. Any single individual, compared to the official map of a "Pure" human genome, would fail. I don't care if they floated down from heaven. Nuka Kulcha 04:44, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you're making Nitpicker look bad. A dust particle re-arragning DNA? Sure. Ok. And the mutated FEV is crucial. The Glow was hit, modifying the FEV, so that humans would not react to pure FEV the same way that pure-strain humans would. The FEV effects the DNA, so the mutated strain will also. But you are right, radioactivity also plays a part. Big McLargeHuge 07:09, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * The original developers weren't sure what to do of it, however, given that e.g. Radscorpions exist all over the USA in more or less unchanged form, as do ghouls, the key to determining a pure/non-pure human is his radiation count and radiation damage. FEV isn't a self-replicating various, there are only finite amounts of it and they are not reusable, since they stay with the host, so there wouldn't be nearly enough FEV in West Tek to affect the entire West Coast. Not to mention that FEV attacks the reproductive cells and "corrects" them, making the subjects infertile, which makes the "mutated FEV" theory even more implausible, as everyone affected by it would be unable to reproduce and humanity would die out. Thus, radiation. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:29, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

No no no no, the mutated FEV comes from Fallout 2, and in a way 3. The Enclave tried to use it to kill off mutants (ghouls, mutants, 'dirty' humans, beasts) via new fev in the air, and water, respecively. The mutated FEV 'infects', the wastelanders, but it is dormant, so no mutations of the people. The new FEV attacks whomever has the mutated strain. I don't think it plays much in fallout 1, where the mutants are dumb due to radiation as humans. But yes, the FEV hyper-evolves, with that one detrimental side effect: no angle in the dangle. Yes you can get Marcus laid, but that's just splitting hairs. Big McLargeHuge 16:21, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong. The Enclave FEV attacks everyone. Why do you think the Enclave citizens die when you release their own FEV into the Enclave's air conditioning? Bad hair day? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:15, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The mutants are dumb because they aren't constantly exposed to FEV. The Lou has FEV coursing through his bloodstream as a result of his armor, and the Master has more FEV in him than in Mariposa. Sure, there are a few highly-intelligent mutants already, but they aren't as common. Nitty Tok. 16:56, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

LoL that's a question thats hard to answer even in real life.Azzaman 07:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think a "pure human" is just a matter of opinion. To the Enclave, an "unpure human" is any human but them.  Even the humans in the vaults, untouched by radiation and the FEV, would be tainted by inbreeding.  --MadDawg2552 20:26, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. Vaults handle insemination by AutoDocs, which guarantees that no inbreeding should occur. At least, those that have an AutoDoc (e.g. Vault 8) do. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 22:42, April 22, 2010 (UTC)