Talk:T-45 power armor

Help?
I seem to have a permanent effect of -2 agility +2 strength etc. And I can't remove it. Any help? I play a stealth character. =[ Paximilian 18:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Clear all rad, visit a doctor and remove all addictions, make sure you dont have any gear attached, which has influence to the SPECIAL. --Odypus 11:48, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

On the Subject of T-4x vs T-45d
To my knowlege there is no official word on FO 3 PA designation. Until now the closest to an official designation was the "T-47" derived from the "MP-47/A" Prototype Medic Power Armor. The info in the article is itself contradictory as it states the T-45d ran on Small Energy Cells, but then again it states the ones found in game have buit in MicroFusion Packs (a la T-51b). There must be a different designation for it, indicating the modifications. Unless its a retrofit, but again it has never been stated anywhere, if so please cite any references that have lead to this. Zorkins 18:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I originally assumed that it can't be the T-45d because of the MFC issue, but then I concluded that it's the simplest explanation. After all, the Ripper and the Power Fist ran on energy cells originally, yet they don't in FO3. So it's safe to assume that FO3's engine doesn't exactly allow for melee weapons and armor to be powered by any energy sources. Also, there's the fact that four designations of power armor are mentioned in-game: T-51b, MP-47/A, Advanced Power Armor Mk II and T-45d (in the museum of technology). And 4 power armor models appear in-game: T-51b, Medic Power Armor, Enclave Power Armor and this one. I'd say it's also reasonable to assume that each of the four mentioned models is one of the four in-game models. Ausir 22:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry but there is no actual suit in the museum, also the entry says "the original T-46d", since "d" indicates the variant it pretty shows its NOT the one used on the game because the d model would be energy cell operated as later models would likely use a Microfusion Pack, also there is a jump from T-46d to T-51b, that gap can be several prototypes that never enter production but that is assuming and I do not like that and naming thus article as T-45d is assuming and assuming in only ONE source of information that is not talking about the Power Armor itself, also the MP-47/A makes a stronger case over the T-4x being the T-47 considering they look exactly the same (with the MP-47/A being a specialized version of it) Its not the same case as the Advanced Power Armor Mk.II were, like it or not, the game does make a very clear reference to the Enclave Power Armor being it.
 * Well, just to correct: The terminal entry says T-45d, not T-46d. See User:Mirar/FO3 notes (which is a dump of all notes in FO3), it's in there. All we know is that the Power Armor in FO3 is old enough to be ineligible to provide repair parts for T-51b, that the Brotherhood of Steel already used it when they travelled to the Capital Wasteland (evidenced by Ashur's Power Armor in the Pitt DLC), that the Prototype Medic Power Armor is designated MP-47/A and that a suit of T-45d was slated to be delivered to the Museum of Technology in 2078 (i.e., it never arrived). Ausir's point about FO3's game engine is fair but not really conclusive as is the one about Power Armors mentioned in FO3; after all, there is a lot of stuff mentioned at the Museum, a good chunk of which doesn't appear anywhere (like the Supersonic Airliner, if I'm not mistaken). Neither is the designation and outward appearance of the Medic armor conclusive proof as changes in version number don't necessarily mean the outward appearance changes; version numbers can simply change because there are enough "under the hood" alterations to warrant it. Personally, I'd say the number of this armor is somewhere between T-45d and T-47 (not even T-47a as the Medic Armor is a different "line" of armors which might use its own suffixes). But unless Bethesda tells us the number and/or includes more proof in a DLC, we'll likely never know. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I vote for T-47. That Furry Bastard 16:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would as well, simply for the reason that only one armor out of the "family" (Medic, Power Armor, Ashur's, Linden's) has a numbered designation given and it has 47. In addition, why make it somewhat contradict canon by not having the T-45d run on MFCs if there's no need? :) -- Porter21 (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Bumping this, I still think T-47 would be better. -- Porter21 (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC) I think so too. That's two votes for T-47. That Furry Bastard 16:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't, and I'd remove the mentions of "T-47" from the article. Such designation was never mentioned, and it's possible that only the medic armor was numbered "47" as an improvement over the T-45d. And it's not as if they didn't ignore the "powered by MFCs" requirement in case of power fist and the ripper. Ausir 01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

J.E. Sawyer calls it T45-d on his twitter. Considering that, IIRC, he came up with the "T-45d" designation for Van Buren and that he's now in charge of Fallout: New Vegas, I'd call the case settled. Ausir(talk) 22:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

these are my 2 cents and my understanding(feel free to tell me i'm wrong. I accept all criticism if it means furthering my knowledge). the MP in MP-47/a stands for 'Medical Prototype'. The T in the other variations of power armor stands for 'Troop'. As in 'Troop version, variation 45, model D'(This is from usually military classification methods). Jericho

Speculation
A version of power armor that might be the T-45d appeared in the Fallout 3 teaser.

In 2277 BoS should use at least the same armors as in 2180's and 2240's (T-51). The only explanation for this speculation is Pentagon looting (still it is speculation).--dotz 22:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the speculation is based on them probably looting some prototype armor from Pentagon or other DC location. Ausir 23:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you ask me, Power Armor in FO3 is so underpowered because it's everywhere, and it's everywhere because Beth doesn't want to/know how to uncode the bit of the engine that makes dead enemies drop everything and anything they're carrying. The existence of T-45d in the Fallout Bible is merely happy coincidence. 207.216.50.68 23:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As for why they lack T-51b power armor (and why they lack plasma weapons, for that matter), even the Western BoS had an extremely limited supply of T-51b armor, and issued it primarily to officers (whereas the Capitol Wasteland BoS issues power armor even to Initiates), and to personnel stationed at their bunker. They probably didn't issue such rare and irreplacable armor to Lyon's troops because they were afraid of losing it if things went poorly, instead giving them older models, or perhaps not giving them power armor at all. ComradeJim270 01:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WRONG. The Power Armor was the standard suit of Paladins, the defenders of the Brotherhood, and there were quite a lot of them. It's supply was limited, yes, but not greatly, hell, you can easily get two suits in the first game. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/5/5c/Scribe.jpg/15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 07:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Flashlight
The reason the you probably can't use the flashlight mounted to the helmet of this armor is because it wouldn't work the same way as the Pip-Boy light would. The Pip-Boy functions as a lamp that barely goes farther than a few fear whereas the light on the helmet seem to look like a regular flashlight, which emits a beam. The light wouldn't work the same way and would make the game look more like some kind of horror game with a beam rather than a lamp effect. J5689 23:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? Then take a look at this: a mod that lets you activate the helmet light.--Amitakartok 13:40, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but that would also make dunwich building a living HELL. "It's time for another episode of Charon! The Nuclear Rocket Jumper!"--Master of cheeZ 23:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

items
"Does Lyons' Pride Power Armor have a unique helmet?"

A full list of all armor in the game, from the esm file, is here: User:Mirar/Armors  (very raw)
 * /Mirar 21:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Vendors?
Do any traders regularly stock power armor other than crow when you have invested 700 caps into his caravan. If so, I think this should be mentioned in the 'Fallout 3 Locations' segment.

The Quatermaster of the Citadel does have a set every now and then as does Seagrave Homes and possibly even Flak and Shrapnel. I'm pretty sure I saw sets there but don't quote me.--KnightNapier 19:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, which is superior, Enclave(Mark II) or T-4x Power Armor
I have found that T-4x is superior due to the fact that it adds +2 strength points, allowing you to carry more. Mark II(Enclave) does allow more agility but has less strength. They both offer similar damage resistance, but T-4x is better when looting because you can carry more.


 * This highly depends on what your character and play style. If you have strength of 9 or 10, the bonus is cut. Regardless, the AG and ST bonus of both armors are somewhat useless anyways - 10-20 weight really doesn´t make much of a difference on an average char and the AG bonus is measly too (2 AP, 2 SGuns, 2 Sneak). I´d take the Tesla Armor instead, it offers the best Rad Resistance, DR and a good bonus to EWeapons. Golan2781 08:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Another thing to consider is that Enclave armor degrades at a slower rate than the T-4x suits, 20% slower based on their in game hitpoints.

And the Enclave armor looks awsome.--Дикий Человек Вампира 04:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Well personally i do think that the t45d power amror is too old to contend with the enclave armor even though i prefer wearing the t45d armor the t15b is a better solution but t45d is a better travelling power armor bcoz when you put it on it adds strenth meaning you can carry more. Both armors weigh tons so if you usually carry alot like i do t45d is a better choice but if your a light traveller go with a stronger or more agile armor like t15b or enclave armor--I-HATE-IAN 15:58, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Outcast vs. BoS vs. Standard Power Armor
Do all of these armors have the same stats? And in general, which power armors have similar stats? --Naldoxcore 18:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, unknown person.
 * Sorry, I'm new at this--Naldoxcore 18:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

All T-45d power armours in Fallout 3 have the same statistics, those being 40 DR, +2STR -1AG, and 10% Rad Resistance. Prototype Medic P.A. however, has +25% Rad Resistance and -1AG, and Linden's Outcast Armour has +5 Big Guns, +1 STR, - 1 AGI, and +10 Radiation Resistance. Ashur's and Tribal have their own articles that you could look at. Wanderer Lao 07:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up for me. --Naldoxcore 18:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

tactics
you can also pickpocket the some better armor go out of the room and then get in the room and they will wear the better armor then you just pickpocket the armor from them.

It is possible to reverse-pickpocket the armor. One way is to get a fully-repaired Tesla Armor and slip it in one of the above-mentioned NPC's. Exit the room and come back and they'll be wearing the armor. Then pickpocket the armor. It's win-win for everyone! ***SPOILER AHEAD!!!!!*** In the DLC Broken Steel it can be looted off Sentinel Lyons if you blow up the citadel at end of Who Dares Wins. She will attack you; just kill her.Also another way to get it is to have the Mysterious Stranger kill them. I wanted the Gatling Laser from one of the Paladins and I tried shooting it out of his hand using V.A.T.S.The last shoot I took he popped up and killed him, and no one attacked me. So that is another way of getting it so save before this and keep loading until the Mysterious Stranger kills the Paladin of your choice. The easiest way is to take a stealth boy go into the round table room make sure your hidden then sneak attack knight captain dusk with the mesmetron causing her to frenzy an the others to kill her!! then just take all her stuff =] moved from article--Kingclyde 00:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hex modding - Army power armour
is this for consoles? could any body explain how this is done

it very complicated, look around other sites

Deletion
I deleted Lyons Pride power armour as it isn't a special type it's just standard power armour.

Well yeah its almost the same but it has the lyons pride emblem on it's shoulder instead of the regular BOS emblem. --Odypus 11:50, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Classic T-45d Power Armor Bug ?!
I have a bug on the "Power Armor", the classic version that is not brotherhood or Lyons. I have the insignia of the Brotherhood of Steel and while as marked on the page, it should have no insignia. Did you also this bug ? Thanks in advance for your help ! Itachou 10:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Its not a bug. Its like that on all versions of Fallout 3 (PC, Xbox, PS3). I dont know why its got a different name than brotherhood power armor.--Дикий Человек Вампира 05:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Not a bug. I think that "Power Armor" should have the same textures as the Prototype Medic Power Armor or Army Power Armor (which was cut) instead of Brotherhood Power Armor.--Hollow Points 20:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Hollow Points

Why do they have three versions of the same thing? At least for me Brotherhood, Lyon's Pride and Power Armor all look exactly the same: only the BOS emblem on the shoulder pad. Is that the way they are supposed to be or are is my copy bugged?--KnightNapier 18:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This is speculation, but the Lyon's Pride power armor is for Lyon's Pride, the BoS power armor seems to be on only important BoS members(other than the pride). Regular power armor is worn by most other members of the brotherhood. I think that the regular power armor has the emblem because, those suits bought from scavengers and traders were taken from dead BoS members. Again, this is only speculation so only believe this if you want to. JerichoRCDF

I do not think it's a bug. It's normal, that the "normal" Power armor has the BOS emblem on it. Well Lyons Pride Power armor has a diffrence. It has the Lyons Pride emblem on it instead of the normal BOS one. --Odypus 11:52, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

TOO MUCH PASSIVE VOICE
The People who write for this site must not understand the English Language. In English, we do not use the Passive Voice. For Example: "Bob was hit by Mark" is WRONG, "Mark hit Bob" is RIGHT! Writing in passive voice makes you sound stupid and makes your writing nigh unintelligible. If you don't realize you're writing in passive voice, check to see if you're describing the person who is doing something with the word "by".

The Subject is the one doing the verb, the verb is what's happening, and the object is what the subject is doing the verb to. In the previous two examples, "Mark" is the subject, "hit" is the verb, and "Bob" is the object. Since English is an SVO language, that means that the only sensible arrangement of that sentence is the second example's.

I don't want to have to go through and fix all the god awful writing I'm seeing. I've already fixed a few pages, and trying to decode that nonsense was annoying enough as it was. Fixing the rest of all of this verbal garbage isn't worth my time.

In Conclusion, if you want to sound smart, if you want people to understand your writing, then stop using passive voice. Something isn't done by someone, someone does something, and that someone is you. --Me 19:46, September 4th, 2009

if i'm the subject who is the verb. click on it. Paladin cross 23:59, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you were annoyed by my bad grammar. 68.192.9.90 01:57, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * While passive voice is sometimes overused, it's silly to say that it's not used at all in the English language. Ausir(talk) 02:46, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Read here for information on the passive voice in the English language. Using the passive voice is not grammatically incorrect and its use affects what a reader may infer. In your example, "Bob was hit by Mark" focuses on the receiver of the action, whereas, "Mark hit Bob" focuses on the person doing the action. "Mark hit Bob" tends to invoke negative emotion towards Mark because it sounds like he did it on purpose, but the passive voice presents uncertainty on whether Mark did it on purpose or not. For our purposes, passive voice is preferable for maintaining neutrality. Please do not start burning people for things you do not fully understand yourself. You have already misled 68.192.9.90 into thinking passive voice is bad grammar.--207.112.46.197 03:19, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Power armor training
I can't find the guy who train you to wear Power Armor...

I know he is in the Citadel,he is named Gunny and I have to ask permission to elder Lyon but where Gunny is in the Citadel,I looked everywhere ten time each!

Can someone tell me where it is?Please...Sergeantaegis 14:54, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

You can read about him, including where he is usually found, here. If you're desperate, you can use the console command, "player.moveto 26C58", to teleport yourself to him, if you're playing the PC version.--207.112.65.78 21:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

He is mostly in the courtyard of the citadel. But sometimes you can find him inside. Just search a bit. --Odypus 11:53, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

How would Power Armor be Worn?
I've been trying to work out how Power Armor would be put on in real life, not like in the Fallout games were you just equipt it. I no Recon Armor is the under armor and looks pretty simple to wear but how would Power Armor be worn? Is it in differnt parts, like you put the torso piece on seperate from the greaves. It looks a bit confusing to put on manualy, if it was real. --Chiefsean16 12:50, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you played Fo1 you'd know. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 13:10, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Id say there must be some kind of opening seams that allow the armour to be put on So yes it would be very complicated

by the way why does a helmet need power armour training? http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User:Outcast115 9:47 EST


 * Its covered in pipes 'n' gizmo's. You'd need to learn how to hook 'em all up! Pog 17:37, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Army Power Armor
I was entering item codes into the console today and I stumbled upon one item that was called Army Power Armor. Upon equipping it, I realized that this armor was different from any that I had seen before. It was green with an army star on one shoulder. I am just wondering if anyone else might have come across this as well?

You can find the code for it in that massive list of console commands on this wiki.

98.168.243.142 10:03, January 6, 2010 (UTC)Nuka-Rawr!

T45d in DC?
Why is there so much T45d power armour in the DC area When it was already outdated by T51b armour ?

you would expect the US military forces in DC to have the latest and greatest Outcast115 22:55, January 13, 2010 (UTC)Outcast115

Outcast115
 * No, not really. The latest and greatest would be sent to the most vulnerable locations (AKA where the war was fought) instead of lounging back home. A lot of power armoured troops were deployed as homeland security - to contain the food riots in American cities, so that's one explanation for T-45d's proliferation. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 00:52, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Rusted Power Armor?
I saw a picture of what someone called a Rusted Power Armor, is it a mod or a variant found in Fallout 3 or it's add-ons?

Sadist King 14:07, April 12, 2010 (UTC)Sadist King


 * It looks like a moded Tribal Power Armor. --Anon (Talk) 15:27, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

What about Ashur?
If the T-45d armor was discovered by the BoS contingent sent to DC, in the Pentagon, how did Ashur obtain his armor? Ashur's dialogue points out that he had his armor during "The Scourge" of Pittsburgh, which took place before the BoS arrived in the Capital Wasteland.

The only reasonable explanation would be that elder Lyons team are comparable to a Long Range Scouting Party. t-51b is too complex to maintain for a LRSP and recon armour would not provide protection for a long duration mission. it would make sense to equip his team with t-45d. power armour nonetheless but easier to maintain for a long time (evidenced by ashur's) and provide the combat boost needed and to be a throw away item for the brotherhood of steel for such a dangerous mission. it would be pure luck the pentagon held a substantial reserve of t-45d.

Small bit of trivia
When anybody - that is either the PC or an NPC - is wearing the T-45d in FO3, their feet seem very small. Just something I noticed. 80.223.127.229 15:24, June 19, 2010 (UTC)