Forum:Ghouls and Supermutants - Creatures?

I'd like to bring this up because I feel it's offensive, at least to me. Why are mutated posthumans (ghouls and supermutants) considered creatures and posted as such in the Creatures template? It's the same with Van Buren Trogs. Given that they are all merely different versions of humans and not inherently inferior, why are they mocked and placed alongside Floaters and Centaurs? Shouldn't we create a separate "Homo Sapiens in the Fallout world" template?? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:37, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd rather say non-mutated humans are missing from the template and should be added. For me, "creature" means simply "(biological) living being"; humans (and mutated derivatives) are creatures, too. -- Porter21 (talk) 21:16, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please fix the template then. Then we might rename it to "lifeforms" or "meatbags" >:] http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 21:27, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Changed template: Navbox creatures. -- Porter21 (talk) 21:40, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the template be more organized if it were changed so that fields like "West Coast" were changed into "blockA", and the sub-fields (Fallout and Fallout 2) were changed to "groupA1" and "groupA2"? Like this:


 * Thoughts? Ghouly89 (Talk)23:35, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the intent (I believe) was to avoid having separate sections for FO1 and FO2 in order to avoid repetition. It's not really working though; there's still plenty of repetition. I think we'd be better off with dropping the geographical blocks and using species ones instead (i.e. humans, insects etc - similar to what the creature overview pages use). To display which creatures appear in specific games, we could create own navboxes for each game. I think that be better than cramming everything into one navbox. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, are you proposing that it rather be turned into a sort of "overview navbox", so to speak? I guess that would work, but it would mean a good 5 oor six more templates to make in response. I don't mean to sound lazy :P Ghouly89 (Talk)07:43, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Basically, yes - this one would turn into a "all creatures by species" navbox, and the game-specific info would be separate (like it is for most other things really). The same applies to Navbox robots, by the way. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be aiming for something like this:


 * And so on, and so forth? Ghouly89 (Talk)08:09, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, yes - although blocks are not really necessary in my opinion. Something like this was what I had in mind:

-- Porter21 (talk) 09:30, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just tired when I posted that. I will get to reworking those templates momentarily. -- Ghouly89 (Talk) 22:20, May 16, 2010 (UTC)