User talk:Tagaziel/Archive 7

Publication project help
Thank you! I have been struggling to progress for some time now. I believe that there should be some sort of Media overview page with links to the main medias in Fallout. Any thoughts?--Ant2242 (talk) 16:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking more an overview. As there is some topics that are not developed enough to deserve their own page. Like theater productions and scientific papers.--Ant2242 (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Font for DYKs
What's the font you use for the did you knows called? I can't seem to find it and I'm beginning to think I don't have it. I've used regular sans for the first couple of my own DYKs, but I think the font you use looks a lot better than sans. Shadowrunner(stuff) 23:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

FNV holodisks and notes navbox
Could you please update me on the progress with the said template?--Ant2242 (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. I do have a few questions however. Why is there two FNV holodisk templates? Why did you remove the cut template? Also why did you remove the direct links? And are we missing holodisks and notes? I know for a fact that we are missing raw pages.--Ant2242 (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) I'm a little stuck on the lettering and Cut boxes.
 * 2) Already done
 * 3) We are missing the raw data pages so, YES. Yes we are missing things. And this does not include all the missing PIP-Boy images either.

--Ant2242 (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

These are absolutely missing; And No. This does not include the missing PIP-Boy images.
 * 1) "The Vault:Raw game data/FNVLR notes"
 * 2) "The Vault:Raw game data/FO3TP notes"
 * 3) "The Vault:Raw game data/FO3PL notes"
 * 4) "The Vault:Raw game data/FO3MZ notes"
 * 5) "The Vault:Raw game data/FO3BS notes"

--Ant2242 (talk) 01:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

--Ant2242 (talk) 14:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) You Are WRONG. These Pages above DO NOT EXIST HERE. Therefore We CANNOT Verify The Content.
 * 2) On top of this There are THREE Terminal Entries in FNVOWB that are NOT on the RAW page. This makes the pages in question in error. I have yet to check the OWB holos & notes.
 * 3) I am currently using the Raw pages to look for errors and found quite a few. I have also learned that the Raw pages do not include the audio holo & notes nor the photo files.


 * 1) The Raw data pages (Above!) are missing. That means that I cannot verify that the entries we have are correct nor if we have them all.
 * 2) The terminal entries that stick in the PIP-Boy Are Also notes.
 * 3) the list of terminal entries not in the OWB Raw Page but absolutely in-game;
 * Forbidden Zone Dome terminal entries#Emergency Shutdown Procedure Log
 * Forbidden Zone Dome terminal entries#Backup Generator Log
 * X-8 research center terminal entries#Important Reminder to Myself

--Ant2242 (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

GURPS
Those GURPS pages are amazing, could you please add the source files for the descriptions? I would like to help with removing the diamond error icons.--Ant2242 (talk) 13:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

So, they're from the archived NMA page? Then the error icons are correct. As there is no source file anymore and we cannot obtain the correct symbols.--Ant2242 (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

SJC? If there are files can you add them so that I can remove the error icons and add the correct symbol?--Ant2242 (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Demo quest
Is fixing the generator part of the other quests?--Ant2242 (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

New companies
Thanks for the tip, but your answer is unfortunate. I don't have any of the FO3 add-ons for PC (and I'm not spending $10 to get a couple screenshots), so uploading an image of them will be next to impossible. At least I can go visit the locations and dig up more info on them. --Kastera (talk) 19:02, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Two things

 * 1) Did not.
 * 2) Yes. Thank you. I'm sorry I didn't check my mails sooner. How do you refine the file to only one character?
 * 3) I've gone through those images and have added them where appropriate. However I cannot add the necessary info for several of the files. Any help would be very appreciated. Also as for "File:Tomsgun.png" and "File:Tenpennytower.png" they have no pages.

--Ant2242 (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) That means that I cannot utilize it. I neither have the time to scour YouTube for the partial dialogue in use nor do I have enough patience for YouTube searches anymore. Not that anyone could find all the variations that way to begin with.
 * 2) Is there some sort of GECK name for the files? An "editor id" as per the RAW pages.?
 * 3) Could you please give these images a going through really quick?; "Garden_of_Eden_Creation_Kit#Gallery" Categories, summaries and copyright template checks.
 * 1) Could you please give these images a going through really quick?; "Garden_of_Eden_Creation_Kit#Gallery" Categories, summaries and copyright template checks.

Ref guideline page questions
Does the  broken line template break the --Ant2242 (talk) 00:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Map code
What exactly do you mean with "adapting the Fallout 4 map code for Fo3 and FNV"? -- CompleCCity (talk) 13:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Interactions new template
Shouldn't we have a separate line for the Fallout 4 perk, explaining how the perk is only available if they idolize the Sole Survivor?--Ant2242 (talk) 02:24, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

(Infobox) Missing Data
They are not sub articles, this is the Mbox tag that describes that data is missing. As for the character data itself, from what I understand, it is decided by what parameters are set into the "GECKID" thus all generic characters are preset. Take for example Rivet City security, there are ten GECKIDs therefore there is ten generic characters that keep getting spawned. I added them on in a preliminary format - FO4 came out two days after. If I am wrong then fine, please explain (and use small words I am not that computer literate). If not then please leave the GECKIDs on the FO3 character pages (don't know what my computer is doing, it is only displaying FO3 data), I can add some of the info on the page. I would still recommend that it get reviewed afterward.

PS please please help me finish the FO1 & 2 characters first. I can add all the data there accurately, I however cannot acquire the proto ids for each character. Nor can I find the missing characters, especially the random encounter characters.

--Ant2242 (talk) 02:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Missing data; The template page itself only states that it is for "missing data." Which certainty is the problem on these pages. "Low priority" or not this needs to be addressed in a timely manner. For if we don't catch up soon, we never will. (for emphasis: we have yet to finish wikifying one game.)


 * Wiki-triage; Bullshit. If this was about "wiki-triage" we would have finished referencing pages, cleaning up the images, and finish adding the statistics to the pages. Not arguing for months about how we should re-display all the non-completed information. <:-( For example, just look at the "Inventory New" template. Brilliant in its design, but ultimately incomplete in its information and display. (And yes I am arguing that it should display more than one image, and that those images should be standardized. ...and we should probably discuss the image standardization)


 * Hidden categories: What, you mean this entire time we could have been MBoxing like Wikipedia? <:-( Is this possible without breaking the wiki? Will this proposed wiki project get finished timely?


 * FO1/2 character cr...stuff; <:-( would it be too much to ask for a review, or better yet a separate project to decode and verify these proto numbers? This would probably be the best option for the completion of the actual character project.
 * --Ant2242 (talk) 00:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Missing data; I have been adding the details to the MBoxes more often.
 * Inventory template; The inventory template is fine... ish. It however does look incomplete. Because technically, that is what it is. ...Speaking of, why not just use a gallery section. Would be the same without looking incomplete and we wouldn't have to worry about how to get multiple paper dolls into the template.
 * Wiki-triage; That is still no excuse for it not to be done.
 * FO1/2 character cr...stuff; I'm just afraid that after all this time I messed up on something. As for the project itself, we are still missing characters. ...Speaking of, any ideas on what to do with the Morton gangs and members? Right now there is only vague mention of them on the Morton brothers pages. I believe that they should be given their own page.
 * --Ant2242 (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing tabs
Recently the "Special characters" and "Help" tabs stopped opening for me. Are you having the same problem?--Ant2242 (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Fallout 4 add-ons
Now that there is such a thing, could you add a new bullet on the front page for Fallout 4 add-ons? Thanks, Brantmeierz (talk) 23:59, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Combat armor cleanup
1) Do you really think of me as a vandal? 2) For the actual discussion on the page, lets move the conversation to the talk page.--Ant2242 (talk) 08:52, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

1) I thought that those terms were accurate. Dated true, but accurate. 2) How was that not contributing to the wiki? You state that the development of the combat armor went from full cuirass armor to breastplate armor which developed back to cuirass then replaced by this 'advanced' armor. It appears to be more likely that it was breastplate then cuirass then 'advanced.'--Ant2242 (talk) 09:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

New quest tables
As you are aware I have been adding a new quest table to the FO4 quests because of the addition of the new descriptions. What do you think? Am I taking too much liberties? Should we just wait until the GECK and then do it all at once?--22:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Holodisks, notes, and Companion Inventory format
I have recently added a separate Inventory box for Danse and Deacon, because their inventories change. One based on story progression and the other based on location. What do you think of this change? Is it appropriate? Could this be a standard going forward?

Holodisks and notes were always merged on the holos n' notes game overview pages, however should we separate them for FO4? They function differently now then they did under any game engine before. Such as the new games and terminals within the holotapes, and the photos not being a pixiliated mess such as with FO3. --Ant2242 (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Item infobox & navboxes
Shouldn't the template be linked to "(Game) junk items" if it is a junk item? Currently they all appear to be linking to "Fallout 4 crafting"

Also what is your opinion of the FO4 mod navboxes that I cobbled together? I know it is in all caps, I did that so we could create the redirects more easily. I specifically referring to the format.--Ant2242 (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Template:Crafting chart
I believe that the template should be updated to include multiple perks. I would do it myself, but my track record of figuring out templates is not good. Could you please do it?--Ant2242 (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

FH quest navbox
Why do we have this navbox? Are we starting a new format? If so why? Can we not just merge this into the FO4 quests navbox?--Ant2242 (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Our problem isn't so much shit design, rather than the ever shifting categories the quests are broken up into.--Ant2242 (talk) 01:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Far Harbor DLC vs. add-on
Shouldn't the main page for Far Harbor be Far Harbor (add-on) rather than Far Harbor (DLC)? Add-on is the more formal term and is the convention used on pages like Old World Blues (add-on) and Point Lookout (add-on).

Brantmeierz (talk) 21:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi There
Hi Tagaziel,

Ive read a lot of Comments from you here and i guess you are one of the people who know what they're talking about. At first sorry for my language skills im from germany. Bu Do you know if the Vault Dweller's Memoirs are still Canon today ?

I hope you cam help me, thanks a lot !

i wrote another question on my talkpage - i dont know where to answer you here or on my talk page. Anyway will do it again:

So at first thank you for your fast answer Tagaziel. So my english is not so good at all, from what you wrote, i understand that Bethesda accepted everything without FOBOS & FOT. So am i right with my hypothesis that the Vault Dweller's Memoirs which you can find in the F2 Manual are truly Canon ? i cant figure it out of your answer, sorry for that :) Brosi90 (talk) 13:25, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello again
Hi Tagaziel,

im feeling very good here with this wiki. read a lot of stuff about canon and specially about the Memoirs. I really love it when a game gives you an official outcome like the Memoirs, i bought the UK Box only for having them a few days ago :)

Meanwhile, ive seen that theres another wiki for Fallout. Its called the Nukapedia but, holy crap the articles are in a very low quality and its not compareable with the articles here, specially the german one is a mess... I think this is the best place to get canonical high quality informations about the whole series.I really love this wiki... i even spend more time here than playing fallout.

So, ive got 2 or 3 questions today and i hope i dont annoy you with this but i dont know any other Guys from here so you are the Choosen one ;)

You told me that the Memoirs are a part of Fallout 2 on my Talk Page a few Days ago.. didnt they belong to Fallout 1 ? And you said that the Memoirs are fully Canon because Fallout 1 & 2 are canonical parts of the Series.Where did you get the information that Bethesda accepted F1&2 and materials like the Memoirs as Canon?

The second question: Is this an official Picture of Fallout 1? Was it just the picture from the "Help Screen" inside the Game ? And is the Guy on this picture is the Vault Dweller or just a Vault Dweller ?

http://media2.giga.de/2013/12/Fallout_Artwork.jpg

And hey it would be great to get more contact to you guys.. and i think it would be a good think to promote this wiki more that the other one, because of quality.. Are there any ways i could help you ? All the best Brosi90 (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tagaziel, Again Thanks for your Answers..

Okay your answer about the Memoirs and Fallout 2 sounds good to me.

For me its a very special thing to discuss canon and lore stuff about Fallout with more experienced people like you and ausir.. btw:seems that hes very inactive this time.

Some more people will be a good thing for this holy place.Yeah i started a post on fallout-forums.com, a german fallout forum. i mentioned that this wiki here is a good place for canon and lore stuff.For sure i will link the sites you mentioned, great work! SO sorry for my first question, it wasnt my intention to damage anyone. IF you would like you can go private for this topic, anyway on kevinbrosi@web.de you can contact me every time - feel free.

A few Days ago, i printed a poster for myself of this Artwork, its simple awesome, and take place on the wall of my Fallout-Fan-Room here in my flat - looks great. So thanks for your time, i hope youre doing well. Alle the best and again thank you - Brosi90 (talk) 21:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Yay Tagaziel!

Look what ive found today..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppdr2ZgJQno

Its a Book of the History of Fallout which was an additional preorder Giveaway in the UK for Fallout 4. This book mentioned everything you told me. F1, F2 ,F3 ,F:NV & F4 - They even mentioned Fallout Tactics... dont know why but they did. They even put the actions of the Vault Dweller in the same order as the Memoirs and confirmed in the F2 desricbtion that the Dweller vanished from his village.The informations are not as in detail as the memoirs or other source texts are but a lot of stuff from the book could be very usefull to verify some wiki articles. Do you think this could be a good reference or a good source for some articles ? BTW:i know we dont need to proof, but i think this Book proofs that Bethesda took F1&F2 into account.Brosi90 (talk) 19:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Blood Brotherhood update, freeform quests and trophy policy
I recently updated the Blood Brotherhood quest article. Could you please review it? I just want to ensure that I don't want to mess up something, such as the format, or our page quality. Also should we be splitting the freeform quests from their Perks (Lawbringer and Contract Killer)?--Ant2242 (talk) 02:19, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Also what exactly is our trophy policy? Merge the achievement into the quest infobox? Separate them? Merge the pages together, but allow for a separate infobox?--Ant2242 (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Re: Creature pages
I'm not too sure about splitting the pages into individual variants. Personally, I don't find the pages bloated; I find them to be ordered and display tidy lists of creature variants. But aside from personal preference, I've found that the biology and gameplay attributes are largely the same across all variants of a creature, and repeating those over more than one page seems redundant to me. Furthermore, keeping all of the variants together makes it easier for users to compare variants at a quick glance, rather than having to visit multiple, separate pages to compare them. That's my take on it at least. --Kastera (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Vault-Tec Workshop DLC Canon
Seems that Bethesda dont care about the Lore with the Workshop DLC's building your own Vault and doing experiments with your Dweller seems widely noncanon ? Can you say something about this ? Best Regards Brosi90 (talk) 15:47, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I can'T say anything about it too. Maybe its not part of the canon because its a Workshop DLC... Hopefully Bethesda doesnt give a fuck about the lore in the next releases and DLC's Brosi90 (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Search engine optimization?
If you don't mind me asking, how does separating the generic pages increase search engine optimization?--Ant2242 (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Dialogue files
Can you please upload the dialogue file for more characters. We cannot reference, nor truly complete the holotapes without them. For example; Kells, Automated Tour, Hancock, Codsworth, that Child of Atom Preacher (FO4FH), Edward Winter, Jonathan Widmark, et cetera.

Color template
You... Do realize that it is a temporary measure to ensure that sub-par referencing can be tracked and quashed. One which actually started as black, but then went to white due to the current format. Also, to be as specific as possible, by "sub-par" I mean format and/or verification of said references.--Ant2242 (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not have access to the GECK because my vista is finally dead, and I cannot afford a new one at the moment. At least we can track these to clean up later.--Ant2242 (talk) 16:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * More bad news, I forgot my curse password AND Yahoo has permanently locked me out because I don't remember that password.--Ant2242 (talk) 16:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Scabbard
"Scabbard" is a character according to the GECK list at the bottom of the FO4 characters page. Shouldn't there be a Scabbard character page as well?--Ant2242 (talk) 09:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Referencing
One, the character "Scabbard" in the GECK is used for the dialogue file. Both of whom are missing from the wiki.

Two, listing the page name before the terminal name and section is unnecessary, redundant and redundantly unnecessary. It links Directly to the reference. The source document no less.--Ant2242 (talk) 13:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I'll just leave some Scabbard GECK info here; RR303Scabbard HumanRace TurretTripodClass Scabbard MaleHeadHumanRearTEMP MaleMouthHumanoidDefault Beard01 HairMale03 HairMale03_Hairline MaleEyesHumanLashes MaleEyesHumanWet MaleEyesHumanAO MaleHeadHuman MaleEyesHumanBrown HairColor05Graying

We still need the dialogue for that quote to be correct.--Ant2242 (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

So why shouldn't we use the Template:FO4TechC?

Also, Thank You!!! I also have been able to use my brother's GECK. Finally, and I have several files I would like to add to the wiki. Could you please send me the program?--Ant2242 (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, please! I want to add and review the dialogue files for FO4. Currently I'm reviewing Codsworth's.--Ant2242 (talk) 00:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Timeline
Why the page move for Timeline?--Ant2242 (talk) 18:23, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So we no intentionally change page names, creating thousands of redirects and our own page name policy, so that we may please Google?
 * You do realize that you are changing the in-game terminal name and breaking a few parentheses right? I always thought that our Policy is that we keep those.--Ant2242 (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank ya bby
I started it awhile ago, but only had enough time to finish it now. Shadowrunner(stuff) 15:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Some technical questions
I've been meaning to ask two things about FO4 technical content for a while: Item image consistency would be very nice, and I would like dialogue for certain characters on the wiki to gather information from. If I knew the process/tools I would be very happy to get more content for the wiki using them.
 * 1) How do you create the images of single FO4 objects such as (File:Fo4 Combat Knife.png) or (File:Fo4 ChineseSword.png). The shading looks slightly different so I assume you use some other rendering software (à la Nifskope), or do you use the GECK?
 * 2) The same goes for the content on FO4 dialogue pages; done through the GECK or some other tool?

Thanks, Brantmeierz (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I just came here to ask what method you use to get images of items too. lol --Trifler500 (talk) 23:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)