User talk:Luckmann

 Welcome to my Talk Page! Hello, friend, and welcome to my Talk Page on the Fallout wiki! Thank you for stopping by, and I hope you'll stay with me for tea and crumpets and much more.

Some basics you may find useful:
 * I enjoy theorycrafting and all things relating to it. This may be elaborate scenarios or just plain character building and is not at all restricted to Fallout.
 * Be nice and I will be nice to you. Sometimes I may come across as arrogant or seem to make a point out of using complicated words; Please give me the benefit of the doubt! It is not intentional, unless you really are a drooling simpleton! Even if we do not agree, I will actively try to shy away from potentially offensive discourse.
 * I do not care about offensive language, but administrators may! I'm a child of the northern frost and one of the great culture shocks that I realized when becoming an adult is that apparently, certain cultures take swearing seriously. I don't. But others may. Keep this in mind!
 * I am Swedish and unless someone objects, welcome discourse in any civilized scandinavian language. I am fully fluent in both Swedish and Danish and I understand Norwegian (especially written) just fine. I will always respond in Swedish, however.
 * Please keep politics private. As per request, I direct you to the mailing function in case you want to discuss such with me. The Vault (or any Wikia) is not an engine for politics. I want to believe that we all share a common interest here (some more than others) and that we can work together in that interest.
 * Despite my apparently cold demeanor, I do have feelings. Don't be an ass.

If you have questions, requests or just want to drop by and say hi, by all means, go right ahead and write something already. I may be a slow contributor myself, prone to disappearing for stretches of time, but I always look forward to what people may do, say or just plain contribute!

-- Luckmann (Talk) 00:42, May 19, 2011

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Consoles Must Burn?
LOL you jealous of consoles cause you spent 1000 buck on a machine for playing games. Try not to be such a douche. Plus fu for being a nazi, even if you are against killing jews, facism is a dumb system of governance. kevobk 14:33, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool troll, bro. Luckmann 21:07, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah what a tool who comes onto ``your page`` then just talks smack...cool i figured out how to do this> User:BlackDahliaMartyr now how do i get rid of the user in front of my name? May 18
 * The user in front of your name? http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 15:07, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't know how at first BlackDahliaMartyr 18:46, May 21, 2011 (UTC)BlackDahliaMartyr

Allvarligt?!
Personligen trodde jag aldrig att de skulle bli något annat än att du och Tag skulle mun(tangent)huggas, men... Guess I was wrong... Personligen tycker jag att det är fel, och hoppas att du är tillbaka snart! Puss och Kram Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 19:07, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tillbaka nu?
Undrade bara om du var tillbaka? PussScar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 13:42, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Fortfarande blockad. Visar sig att mitt konto är pemablockat; bara IPt unblockades efter 24 timmar. Fortfarande inget svar från Adminen jag bad om hjälp (Master Mold). ~Luckmann

Ban
I have temporarily removed your ban pending discussion with Tagaziel, I ask that in future that your personal political ideology be keep away from the wiki, even if questioned by others as to your own personal stance. Such topics are controversial and can cause disputes among editors, which could be considered flaming, trolling etc. even if not initiated by yourself. User Avatar talk.png 20:09, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand and thank you for your help on this issue. I hope there's no additional fallout due to this debacle and if approached in the future, I will respectfully decline comment or take it to E-mail or IM. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/6e/Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 21:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa-hey!
Du vann (typ)! Trevligt att ha dig tillbaka i vilket fall. Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:50, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tack. Jag vill inte ropa hej innan jag är över bron, dock. Tror det kan bli rätt mycket liv om det här på moderatornivå. Om inte de där två kan komma överens så kommer de troligtvis kalla in en tredje administratör som får mediera mellan dem; Och vem vet vad han bestämmer sig för? Lite sjukt dock om det är som Tagaziel säger, att de har banna folk för deras åsikter innan också. Jag har aktivt försökt hitta regler gällande uppförande osv. på sidan, men det är typ omöjligt. Tycker inte om när allting verkar bestämmas av Admin-Fiat. :) http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/6e/Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 21:54, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Man måste hålla med om det... Så länge du inte prackar på folk din politiska åsikt eller dylikt borde du vara "untouchable"... Men Tag verkar vara rätt inställd på att få ut dig från wikin. Du får hoppas på någon opartisk, typ Ausir, annars vete fan... Puss Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:57, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Problemet är att jag inte direkt känner någon här. Även om jag har polska vänner så känner jag inte att jag kan riktigt lita på polacker i ärendet och Ausir är ju också polack. Återigen, inget ont om polacker, men man kan ju förstå om de inte är opartiska. I och för sig så är verkar ju Tag vara anarkist också, av hans sida att döma. Han ändrade den också nu i dagarna, förmodligen för att skicka mig ett "meddelande". Palestinasjalsmods och allt. Undrar hur glada de hade blivit om jag hade laddat upp bilder på Valgarors kassa hakkors-mods till FO3. Aja, vafan. Me ne frego som italienarna säger. :p http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/6e/Luckmann_Grenade_Signature.png Luckmann 22:05, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

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Your talk page
Now that the matter of politics has been settled, please remove the above political discussions from your talk page. Their continued presence only serves to attract further discussion. Thank you.--Gothemasticator 13:55, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done and done. I contemplated removing it earlier, but I prefer to keep things around for posterity, even if it just lingers. I've screencapped it for personal use and it will be removed from the wiki as per your request effective immediately. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 14:54, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. By the way, everything is still present in the page history. Nothing is ever really lost on a wiki.--Gothemasticator 15:10, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * That reminds me of a more general question. There must be an enormous backlog on all of this. I'm one of those edit->preview->edit->preview->save->notice something isn't perfect->re-edit->repeat kind of persons. Do all history really stick around forever? Because that means that all my failed fiddlings also remain forever and that unnerves me at a deep emotional level. :D http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 15:14, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Previews are not saved. But any "published" edits are saved.--Gothemasticator 15:59, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Vet du vad jag just såg?
Vet du? Du blir sjukt stekt på Tag's "vote of no confidence". Riktigt stekt. Du är uppenbarligen en ond människa, som borde bli korsfäst som spyr fram hatkommentarer O.o. Thought you should know. Hugs Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 23:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, skiter i vilket, men tack för att du informerar mig. Hade helt missat att där var en Vote of No Confidence på Tagaziel. Får väl gå och rösta, då. :D Förresten, är det ok om jag svara i "tråden" här, eller vill du att jag ska svara på din sida? Är lite osäker på vad som gäller, har sett folk göra både och. Själv föredrar jag att ha en hel diskussion på en sida. :P http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 11:26, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Bara ren tur att jag såg att du svarade... Det är lättast om de svarar på min sida, annars vet jag unte om du svarat eller ej. Det är meningen att man ska svara på den andres sida, men jag skiter i vilket. Kram Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 11:31, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hello there.
I have no interest in any political debate here, but I was just wondering if this is you? --User Avatar talk.png 03:15, June 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lulz... Jag har också sett den där. kram Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 12:40, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fast du ser rätt power-pose ut i kostymen =).


 * Ah, I see. --233345-cartman1_tiny.gif Avatar talk.png 17:00, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Contract
I'm making a contract out of that comment you made on the OWB Qore cverage. I don't have photoshop, so it'll take a while to pseudo-blend the Mojave Express logo. Anyway, I'll post it here when I'm done, and it'll be on my p-age, with a reference to you. --  Valoopy 01:03, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Made it! --  Valoopy 01:46, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hej
Så du är från Sverige rätt? Vilken del kommer du ifrån? Jag är Scar flickvän och blivande fru och i cirka syv år kommer jag att flytta till Sverige och flytta in hos Scar så jag undrar om vi kunde vara tillsammans när jag kommer dit? --PipGirl101 17:47, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Angående PipGirl, hon är amerikan, men Google translate våldtar meningar ;). Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 21:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Jag tror hon menar 6 eller 7, inte helt insatt i hennes planer (O.o).

Jag är faktiskt amerikan och jag är bara att lära sig svenska ... Vad jag ville säga är jag kommer att flytta in hos Scarface11235 i ungefär sju eller åtta år och jag undrar om du ville hänga lite tid tillsammans, vi alla tre, när jag kommer dit. --PipGirl101 22:00, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Insults
"Nitwit" may not be a very strong word, but you issued it as an insult. Please refrain from insulting other editors as per policy.--Gothemasticator 20:50, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Billy Ocean told me you wanted something from me
What is it? TWITA Love and tolerate 00:09, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Racist bating
I have removed the word "aryan" from your profile page. That word in common usage has only one function: to introduce a racist viewpoint. I have also blocked you for a week for posting the racist flamebait on your user page. We had this discussion earlier. If you cannot keep your ideology off the wiki, you will not be welcome here.--Gothemasticator 12:46, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that is racist flamebaiting at all. It is not against the rules. I have accommodated you in the past, because you asked nicely, but ultimately, there's no rule against it, or me mentioning my ideology. Why is it on my part to restrain myself because I will potentially endure abuse? Should this not be on the abusers? The Vault allows a wide range of ideologies without discrimination; Why am I being singled out based on something so frivolous on your part? http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 13:11, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * You was requested to keep your ideological views to yourself, for the simple fact that they are disruptive to the site. Being disruptive to the site is in fact against the rules and also a blockable offence. That term is part of those ideological views. Additionally, the term is now commonly associated with ideologically motivated racism, therefore it constitutes racist flame baiting. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 14:27, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was requested, to which I kindly obliged. But as for being disruptive; If I go onto a leftist's Talk Page or blog comment on the Wiki and verbally assault them - will they then, too, be requested to remove whatever ideological content or political fealty may be considered "disruptive"? In what sense is such a policy not completely backwards? Furthermore, it's notable that I have had "Aryan" on my Profile for about 4 months, without anyone so much as commenting. In fact, if you take the temperature of those active on the site or in the chat, you get the impression that people couldn't give any less of a shit. In fact, going by disruptiveness, the act of frivolously banning me is by far more disruptive in that we are even discussing this. For 4 months, it's been live and let live. In fact, the only one who has ever had a serious problem with me, above and beyond the regular "I don't like you" common to users on any site, have been Tagaziel. And if you're taking the flamebait angle; If it was flamebait, you'd think I'd be promoting it harder. Because it sucks. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 15:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not about ideologies in general. It's about racism. We do not tolerate racism at The Vault. We've been tolerant so far, because we aren't thought police. We don't block people for what they think, only for the content they post here. As for it going unnoticed for four months - it just went unnoticed. It would have been treated the same whenever it was noticed. The fact it lasted so long just goes to show that we generally have better things to do than look for offenses. It's also not about other people's reaction to your posts. Again, it's about racism, which we do not tolerate. Goodbye.--Gothemasticator 15:35, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, then, if it is about "racism", then you probably shouldn't put it forth under the guise of being "flamebait" (which you did). If you scroll up, flamebait is exactly the reason you brought to bear as the reason for my ban - not racism. Avatar brought up the issue of disruption. It is still interesting that you would change your mind into it being about racism, since it has nothing to do with racism at all. Not any more than the (erroneous, at least in this context) definitions of "Caucasian" or "Hispanic" "races". If I said that "Aryans are superior to " then you would have a point. But I did not. And you do not. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 16:18, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

If we are to ban all that have the word "aryan" on ones userpage, I think there is more to be done. To begin with:

The word "aryan" technically means two things: either the sanskrit word for "Noble spirit" or the ethnicity of humans originating from the northern areas of India in ancient times. I can agree that the word might symbolise other things in some people now, that it has been distorted beyond recognition. I'm not as sure as to the removal of it, as if he wants to designate himself as "noble", that's more his arrogance that is displayed more than anything. As a question, if I as a negro would refer to myself as "Nigga", would I face a ban? If I as a caucasian man were to refer to me as "cracker", would I be banned? As long as it's not explicitly aimed at proving superiority, I have no problem with it, although it might be best to remove if it faces such opposition.

Secondly, if we are to ban all users if they do not remove things considered of National Socialist origin and view, I think that we're to remove all flags of the USSR that users use to tell that they are communist or socialist. Stalin alone left a trail of death larger than Hitler did with his Holocaust, and that's not including any other Soviet leader. It's fairly hypocritical to ban users for something that is circumstancial to Nazism whilst users can flaunt user pictures showing violent abortions or blatant communist iconography. Don't get me wrong, I'm a social democrat and do in no way support Neo-nazis, but I consider this, if not petty, then at least hypocritical. Hugs Scar: "Say 'ello to my little friend!" 15:49, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I want to add to this before someone says "It's about racism, not ideology lol!", the National Bolsheviks also use the Hammer & Sickle, and in no way was Stalinism alien to racism. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 16:48, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Luckmann, I think you need to get a hold of yourself. This isn't about an political debate. If you read my first message, I never stated that you was banned for airing your political and idealogical views. I simply stated that was why you was requested not to do so. Further more if others use the wiki as a soap box on there own political view, I would also make the same request of them (as per your example). It is also a part of the chat rules to not discuss it if a single person objects, for very good reason. Further more, you immature stance of "well its been there for months now, so it is ok" is fundamentally flawed. I have found vandalism on pages that has been there longer, should that now also be accepted? How long it has gone unnoticed is irrelevant to the actual point.


 * Now scar, yes the term does have many meanings. But it was combined with the term race (placed in the race section of a infobox), therefore it was not being used in either context you have stated, but in the context of Aryan race. Now Aryan race has only one single definition. It is also term most commonly accepted and associated with racism and hate crime. Therefore it is not an acceptable term and there is no debating that by trying to pull off that the term was meant for something else. Same also goes for other terms you stated above, they would also be removed. As for banning, that all depends on if the person has been notified in the past, such as in this case. As for your example of the violent abortions, you are reaching far as this as the argument is about user usage and not the game itself. This is no different than Wikipedia in style, as they contain pages on such subjects, but do not tolerate the behaviour from editors. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 16:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * The point went over your head, I see. No, it is not about what is acceptable and what is not; It is about whether or not something is disruptive. It was there for months - if it was disruptive, you'd think that, in those months, it would've disrupted something. Unless you want to argue that it's a sleeper troll, which, while a hilarious argument in itself, would be something nothing short of unique and somewhat far-fetched. In fact, the only disruption here is on part of Gothemasticator and yourself - not me, nor any of the regular users who stand to be disrupted. I'm not sure why you're bringing the chat up, since I don't remember discussing politics in it at all. I remember excusing myself when the subject was brought up, though. I discussed the ban, but not in a political sense. I never denied using the term in a racial sense, but you are the one screaming "racism". You say that "aryan" in the context of "race" only have one single definition. Not only is this not true - Race in itself is not even necessarily a materialist concept in it's entirety - I recommend Julius Evola & Alfred Rosenberg for more on that topic, which is very relevant in context; but furthermore, you then go on about how it has additional connotations separate from the concept of race, which is in direct opposition to the point you just made - that there is only a single definition! It is also funny that you would bring up "hate crime" - how does that even factor into this, except as an form of Ad hominem?  This is just harassment on part of belief in some extremist ghost that have never existed. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 17:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I brought it up for the certain example of you going to other people and berating there political stand point. Chat has this particular rule already in place. As such it would be applied to other even if a specific rule is not already in place for other areas.


 * And the point didn't go other my head. The simple fact is that user pages are very rarely travelled. So the argument that you have got away with it thus fare is mute. But I must say that you do a good job of trying to turn an argument around, by pointing the finger at others and calling them disruptive to advert attention from yourself. Are you really going to play the game of "I know you are, but what am I"?. And you really didn't get what I said either. I agreed that Aryan alone has many meaning (re-read above). But "Aryan race" or to be more precise "Aryanism" only has one common meaning, a meaning that is associated with racism.


 * As for the harassment comment, I take great offence to that. Consider who lifted your previous ban and defended your right to have personal political views as long as it remained off the Vault. So stop trying to move the topic away from the actual issue at hand, trying instead to turn it into a political and idealogical debate on what the term actually means, it is commonly accepted to be racists, so the ban stands. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 17:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Again you miss the point. "Bait" implies intent; something that is lacking in this context. Hence the one that goes around berating people should be punished, not the ones that happen to be the punching bags of lesser minds. I did not imply that I would go around doing this; just that by your logic, the victim should be punished because he made himself a mark. The point clearly went over your head, since you again stick to your previous point, which entirely misses it's mark, since you didn't understand mine. How can something be disruptive before it's actually disruptive? No-one has had a problem with it, except those that say that others may have a problem with it. So where do you draw the line? When is something "disruptive" and when is something merely an annoyance on someone elses part? If I am annoyed or offended by baby-kicking or hammers and sickles; does that constitute "disruptive"? And if so, who is at fault? Me for being disrupted, unable to contain my feelings and being a general ass, or the one that happened to say a single word that taken out of context and into another context - a context that only exists in my own mind, I might add? But now you're applying entire agendas and philosophies that no-one have even touched upon. First, you ad hominem your way into "hate crime" and now you bring forth "aryanism" - No-where is this even implied! However, let me repeat my previous point in more understandable (hopefully) terms: "Aryan" has a multiude of meanings. "Race" has an equal multitude of meanings. "Aryan race" most definitely have an extremely wide variety of meanings, especially within fascist and nationalist philosophy, on which I mentioned two very important ones - Alfred Rosenberg & Julius Evola. There are others, too, but these two should give even you an idea of the subject. Take my latest page into account, the one that was supposedly "racist" - Pony. Aryan. In a racial materialist context, how does that even make sense?  It is not commonly accepted to be racist in an offensive sense, although naturally having racial connotations, just like all the other racial subgroups used on ever single character page on the entire wiki. Everything depends on context. I have claimed no superiority. I have claimed no inferiority on part of others. The concept of being Aryan in itself is independent of moral or racial bias. It is these facts, when explained, yet ignored, that makes this nothing short of ideological harassment. http://imageshack.us/m/15/6929/luckmanngrenadesignatur.png Luckmann 18:35, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dont try to play the victim here, that implies a certain level of ignorance on your part. Something which you are not, you know full well what the term is associated with, how other perceive and accept the term, and you have been told not to post such thing in the past. Hence why it can be said that it is baiting. I am actually starting to thing that you are either an accomplished troll, because you really do seem to enjoy inciting and then debating such topics. Or you are using such discussion to essentially soapbox your political views, as you keep trying to turn it around into a political and idealogical debate about the term. As such if you wish to debate the term further, I will extend the block to include your talk page. User Avatar talk.png 19:20, August 18, 2011 (UTC) The fact that you mention the lead architect of the Nazi Party's racial policy that resulted in genocide of millions of Poles, Jews, Gypsies and other undesirables and an Italian fascist that cooperated with the Schutzstaffel is proof enough that you contribute to the racist theorems of the aforementioned dirtbags. It is not a far fetched conclusion, given your statement, that the word "Aryan" on your userpage has very racist connotations. Of course you deny that the holocaust ever happened, so this point will probably sail over your head.

Bottom line: You try to prove that "Aryan race" does not necessarily have racist connotations by pointing to a racist scumbag who tailored a philosophy to rationalize genocide and an anti-semite dirtbag. Thanks for proving Ghostavatar's point. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:24, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I have removed Luckman's ability to edit this talk page for the duration of his block. I suggest everyone else quit the discussion here as well. If anyone has a problem with my actions, please bring it up on my talk page or begin a forum page about it, so that third parties can take part. The blocked user's talk page is not the place to carry on this discussion. I used my own discretion to block this user, and my reason -- racist language -- has been stated and I stand by it. Good day.--Gothemasticator 07:21, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, if Luckmann can be banned for having a single "offensive" word on his profile that only three people claim to be disruptive, why is Tagaziel still allowed to, well, edit anything? 76.169.237.207 20:50, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blocked for good
The image of your pony avatar has stood for quite a while, even though it is borderline racist commentary. However, your recent additions to your user page--naming the pony avatar "purebreed" and the inclusion of the phrase "master race" in one of your user boxes--create a racist statement out of your user page as a whole, especially considering your past here at The Vault.

Therefore, you are blocked forever. Goodbye.--Gothemasticator 02:54, September 14, 2011 (UTC)