Forum:Deathclaw sanctuary

would the deathclaw sanct. be there pre war because the american military was manufacuring them for the war against china ?19:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ I don't see why it wouldn't. It is quite possible, IMO. Probably a breeding area of some sort? Magnum101 06:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

that's what i was thinking i was also thinking if all of the animals in the game were made mainly from the fev why there isn't more sanctuaries in the game for them.68.190.193.57 01:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Actually, I'm fairly certain that Deathclaws are NOT the product of FEV. If you check the backstory of Fallout, only the Supermutants were ever revealed to be the product of FEV. Deathclaws were the result of genetic experimentation, but not FEV. It was only the Enclave that began to expose Deathclaws to FEV, which boosted their intelligence and allowed them to achieve impressive learning capacity, abstract thought and reasoning, and also eventually allowed them to mimic human speech (Fallout 1). H

All insects and animals are the result of prolonged radiation from the war, NOT from FEV. At least, that's as far as I know.

EDIT: Additional research indicates Floaters (from Fallout 1 and 2) and Centaurs are also the product of the FEV virus, but no others. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Magnum101 02:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

radiation doesn't do that its got to be the fev plus it says that its a chameleon the one of the strains of fev would explain them being as well as the mole rats which i can remember in the pentagon files as being made to infest the reds. 04:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Ah, you remember incorrectly friend. Read the file again. The Pentagon files specifically state that even the molerats were NOT the result of FEV. The military created molerats to infest China, and THEN tried to make them more aggressive be exposure to FEV, but discovered that doing so made them sterile, so the use of FEV was scrapped. Molerats and Deathclaws are military creations, but not through FEV. I did some background research as well. Deathclaws were gentically engineered BUT IN NO SOURCE does it say that they were created using FEV. FEV was introduced to Deathclaws during the timelineof Fallout 1, creating INTELLIGENT Deathclaws. But their creation per se was NOT a result of FEV. I suggest revisiting the Pentagon files, and you can see it for yourself. In addition, multiple Enclave terminals across the wasteland specify that all creatures (Ants, Bloatflies, etc.) are the result of RADIATION, NOT FEV.

Besides which, Fallout lore specifically mentions that for FEV to have any mutagenic properties, it must come into contact with the skin in its liquid form. In fact, the airborne strain of FEV serves to inoculate people from the normally mutagenic effects of the liquid FEV strain. Cheers! Magnum101 04:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

the fev is the forced evolution disease it whole purpose is to mutate things. 04:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Yes, but that DOESNT MEAN THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS MUTATED WAS CAUSED BY FEV. I'll say it again. Supermutants, Centaurs, Floaters. THE ONLY THINGS CREATED BY FEV. Read the sources again, friend. Even in this wiki, read the FEV article. It states specifically that those are the only three creatures created by FEV. Go to the Giant Ant, Mirelurk, or even the Radscorpion page. NO FEV.

Go to the Deathclaw page. The only FEV mention on Deathclaws were the intelligent Deathclaws in Fallout 1. Magnum101 04:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

the fev would have mutated anything it touched because its what it does. 04:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ LIQUID FEV. Unless you dipped EVERY emperor scorpion, EVERY horseshoe crab, EVERY horesefly, etc. in FEV, then the proposal that FEV caused those mutations is preposterous. PLEASE RESEARCH before answering. LOOK UP THE FEV PAGE. Stop saying "It mutates," "it mutates" WE ALL KNOW IT MUTATES. BUT JUST BECAUSE IT MUTATES IT DOESN"T MEAN EVERY MUTATION IS DUE TO FEV. RESEARCH!!!!Magnum101 04:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

it says that the fev got into the air and then it would have mutated anything it touched RESEARCH! 04:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ From the WIKI:
 * 1) Radscorpions are an extremely large version of the Emperor scorpion, which was prolific in pet stores at the time of the bombing, mutated by radiation
 * 2) the mole rats in the Capital Wasteland (and possibly the other mutated rats in Fallout 1 and 2) are the result of a government program to develop an invasive organism that could be planted in China, where its aggression and fast breeding would help undermine the Chinese war effort. It is noted that a genetic 'kill switch' was included to help the US Army clean up the rats after the theoretical fall of China. (This may be the mechanism stumbled onto by Moira in the Repellant Stick.) Additionally, it is revealed that the researchers attempted to use FEV to further augment their creation, but dismissed this course of action as the result proved sterile.
 * 3) The deathclaws were originally created before the Great War by the United States military, in order to replace humans during high-risk close-combat search-and-destroy missions[1]. They were Jackson's Chameleons[2] genetically modified with DNA of various other species.
 * 4) When the bombs hit the research facility and turned it into the Glow, they cracked open a few tanks filled with FEV. The bombs' radiation then mutated this FEV into an airborne strain. But this new airborne FEV didn't have any real mutagenic effects on people. All it did was inoculate human subjects against the real FEV, acting as a sort of vaccine

Let me say it again. THIS NEW AIRBORNE FEV DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL MUTAGENIC EFFECTS.

THATS RESEARCH. LET IT GO. UNDERSTAND what you're reading. Magnum101 04:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I understand what im reading perfectly do you? 04:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Alright, let's put it this way. You have produced NO evidence that FEV mutated these creatures. Show me one source from the Wiki or official game guide that proves you right. Then I'll concede. The info I provided above is unedited. Please read it properly. Tell me where it says in this wiki or in any Fallout game that FEV was used to create these creatures. I've given you solid evidence. What do you have to back up your claims? Magnum101 04:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

wow your getting pretty mad so just came down and realize you haven't given any evidence that's valid to say otherwise. 04:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ That's because you're making claims without backing them up. The info above was taken from the Wiki. You can even find references in the relevant articles to the soruces behind them. You can't assume FEV caused these things and radiation wouldn't. You're arguing the effects of radiation/ a fictional virus in a fictional world. That's silly. The info above that I provided is from the wiki, which are also taken from official game guides and words from developers. Since there is no mention of FEV< the connection doesn't exist.

Like I said, produce evidence (like I did - take from the wiki if you want). I'll be more the willing to admit I was wrong if you can prove it.Magnum101 04:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

i also found info but not just from this site and after putting it all together i have been able to put my info into a reliable source of info that I believe to be accurate so you should just stop count to ten and let this go you're starting to remind me of a guy named softnerd a real stuck up @!%@^% who wouldn't leave me and my ideas alone its what i believe and you cant change it. 05:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Well then, there it is. It is just what you BELIEVE. If you had said that in the first place there wouldn't have been a need for all this. If you BELIEVE that FEV cause all the mutations, then you've got a right to believe that. But I just wanted to be clear that there is no official source that attributes these to FEV, and no evidence to suggest it ever did. Based on factual documentation and the strategy guide written by Matt Norton (who was one of the lead designers of Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics), FEV is officially credited with creating a few - BUT NOT ALL - creatures in Fallout. If you want to formulate additional theories, go right ahead. But you cannot pass them off as canon. Magnum101 05:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

your ideas are just that ideas you don't know if that's what the story creators had in mind or not its just what you believe so you cant pass it off as canon either. 05:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ Who's getting mad now? Maybe you should start counting and calm down.

These aren't my ideas, these aren't my beliefs. That's why I took them from the Wiki, not my head. Official stuff only. Things you see in game and such. I only put here what has been said on this site and within the games. No more, no less. I don't infer, I don't conclude, I don't assume. I only say what has already been said. If it makes you feel any better there is only one source that mentions Scorpions having to do with FEV, and that's the Fallout Bible by Chris Avellone. Chris Avellone promised a list of creatures mutated by FEV in a future edition, unfortunately, the list never came. Again, I'm not saying DEFINITIVELY IT'S NOT FEV. I'm saying there is NO DEFINITIVE SOURCE TO CONFIRM IT. I have no opinion in this. Everything I have given comes from the wiki and other sources.

So if you insist on continuing, you can do so by yourself. I'm not going to argue WHY it isn't FEV. Instead I'm only going to state that officially there is no word as to whether it was FEV or not. Until that day comes, you can continue to believe what you want. I'll accept it once it becomes official. That's that. Magnum101 05:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

there is also no word that the fev didnt cause all the mutations but there are a lot of hints! 05:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

♠ That I will concede to you. Many hints do point to FEV as a source for mutations, particularly Razlo's speech in Shady Sands in Fallout 2. But like I said, unless it becomes official, I won't jump to conclusions. It's kind of like the question who started the nuclear war? In all likelihood it was China. Many conspiracy buffs say the Enclave. But unless it actually says in-game or in an official manual: "THIS NATION DID IT", I won't jump to conclusions either.Magnum101 05:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

then theirs your answer you have your beliefs and i have mine lets leave it at that.05:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

does any one know why deathclaws are even at the sanctuary it seems they like it just as much as old olney so why don't they appear in the city or in the metros?Maccy Man the man with no plan. 00:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)