Forum:Point Lookout - What weapons effective for swampies?

Leaving Charon behind I pitched up at Point Lookout fully loaded for war and the unexpected. I took a level 20 character with 410 HP full Tesla armour and a massive arrange of weapons from Xualong to Vengance and A321's plasma rifle. All goes well with the first encounter with mole rats and then...

well the tracker dude he's big so taking a fair few clips to kill him is not unexpected. But these Creeper guys, half naked with either a shovel or a lever action rifle a) seem impossible to kill with any of the above weaponry and b) do EXTREME amounts of damage with either the shovel or the rifle..

Basically I died several times using both VATS or not trying to dispatch one of these guys in different ways.

SO how can a half naked guy with a shovel be harder to kill than a death claw? OK so making the game a bit tougher is good but this is stupid or am I missing something? Are these swamp monkeys easier to kill with a BB gun?

Not impressed.

BTW - Playing on HARD!

Gunner Bill 08:00, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this, I went in ready for a war, like yourself, and found that even the tribals were hurting me quite a bit. A tribal even killed me when his buddies were ganging up on me and he killed me with an axe. Yes, it does make me wonder how a skinny little bastard with barely anything on can be as durable as a deathclaw. I found sneak attacking with the reservists rifle is nice to kill them. Lord Snip. 10:44, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Stealth Armor, sneak criticals are a nice way to deal with these guys. You knock them down and then just unload on them with Xuanlong's or whatever you prefer. But I too have noticed the obscene amount of damage these little guys can take... 3 shots with Lincoln's repeater to the face... wtf? Still, Point Lookout is an awesome DLC. Cheers! 128.158.1.164 12:07, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * If a guy in Brahmin skin with a Pool Cube can damage an advanced fabrics like Power or Tesla Armor and kill you, why a guy half naked with an Axe can't do the same? Too much complain... LOL Brfritos 12:05, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I have the same problem with Scrappers, Creepers and Tribals, though my problem is with explosives. Every time I hit one with a grenade, frag or Nuka, it does no damage. The same with mines, I set up dozens of mines and bottlecap mines while defending Calvert, all of them went off, no one died. They just ran through like I covered the floor with bubble wrap.--JiNX Bloodfang 23:55, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Update: So I have played through most of Point Lookout (I think) and have enjoyed it. Still a bit bemused about the resillience of the swampies but I developed a tactic as follows:

Upon sighting these creatures at range take med-x and psycho (etc.), use ranged sneak attack with Victory rifle and then switch to mini-gun (providing you have 100 in big guns & lots of ammo!!). Using this I had litle problem unless more than 3 attack simultaneously.

TIP: try not to use VATS. For me certainly VATS seems less effective both at range and close quaters than just free fightin' the good old way.

Just for generally wandering around I found that Sydneys Ultra SMG was the best to ensure safety from suprise attack.

I think Bethesda recognise this a little by placing so many stimpacks around!! lol

Gunner Bill 12:26, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I HAVE TO ASK ??? What level are you guys playing in? I had a little trouble with those hicks but not the kind of trouble you are having. Combat Shotgun and frag granades worked very well!! I did play at an easy level...68.213.219.30 11:21, September 26, 2009 (UTC)Cincykidscott

Vengeance
I find this weapon along with the Winterized T51b armor and excellent combo. I still use a bunch of stimpacks, put that's what hotkeys are for!--Kingclyde 00:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

^^IS THAT A JOKE?!^^

Use Operation Anchorage's unkillable Flamer and the CSA. Nitty 00:24, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

The CSA? Those hillbillies see me every time even 100 sneak and 100 condition of it. The LR is good to get them at range also. Plus, I've never used the exploit to get the OA flamer thingy. And no, I never joke.--Kingclyde 00:32, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I also tried the T51b armour but again like all the other armours the swampies weapons seem to cut through it as if it where not there.

Gunner Bill 14:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I found energy weapons such as the plasma rifle ineffective, it was always my first choise in weapons until the DLC's came out, since then enemies are harder to kill. Durring Point Lookout i began using Scoped 44 Mag, crouched and VATS to the head. Convensional weapons seem to be more effective now.

Reverse Pick-pocketing
This is the only effective way I've found to beat this guys. CSA + some grenades or mines (I usually use mines, since there aren't blast radius from them, unlike the grenades). I understand why Bethesda did they so powerfull, since there a lot of NPCs in both regular FO3 and add-ons that are bosses, but still very weak, but common...where's the consistence in that? This discussion is endless, is like the Commander Jabsco x Colonel Autunm skills.

snipe and slice
When I found my fist trapper I new I was going to get killed if I didnt have a stragety so I found an efective one. Ya need pretty good sneak but get a sneak criticle on one with the victory rifle than quickly switch to a shish-cabbab (or other powerful melly weapon but shish-cabbab is prefered for its fire damage) and when its laying on the ground slice away. You have to be pretty close when you snipe so you have more time for sliceing. I did this and killed it just before it got up.--Radraider 21:42, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

SNEAK. Sneaking is the answer. I tried this with the Winterized T51 and an OA indestructible minigun, and died horribly when defending the manor. The char has maxed stats and maxed skills, so of course I was in "WTF" mode too. On reload I took the chinese stealth armor, deathclaw gauntlet and the damn perforator. this combo works wonders in Lookout, the only downside is that you'll mostly be crawling in a crouched position. Try using the gauntlet more, and revert to perforator only in dire need, because the gauntlet is easier to maintain and has a higher item hp. Perj 10:03, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Chinese Stealth Armor and Perforator pwn point lookout, the only time i even took damage through entire questline there was when i left from final quest and that gay sniper since hes coded to shoot me, managed to try to kill me and yet i never left hidden status, really, it was very easy, and i did it on normal but the best part was if they didnt die, i stayed back and didnt move, oh yeh, the guy who kept getting seen you forgot to get Silent Running perk, you see, they can see you if you've got 5000m sneak and sneaking with

Chinese stealth armor, because when you walk, YOU MAKE SOUNDS, get silent running..then try it..i guarantee you'll have no problem if u got 100 sneak.Toolazytomakeaaccount 17:48, November 10, 2009 (UTC)