Talk:JSawyer

Sooooo...
How are we going to integrate the changelog into the main articles? Like, how should, say, the health increase to the AER12 rifle be implemented into the infobox? Should we keep both the official values and JSawyer's? Nitty the Kitty! 06:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously, we keep both changes. See Cassandra Moore for how I implemented this (karma). Tagaziel 10:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the values have been updated for all the consumables touched by JSawyer, but I don't think the text in parenthesis looks quite right. Should we make a separate box link like we did with Hardcore mode effects, maybe add in a small icon of, like, Sawyer's head or something a la damage over time on the Flamer page? Nitty the Kitty! 22:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I am a bit dubious about having the info included at all. After all it is essentially a user mod when you boil it down. However, you could argue the part about planned tweaks that never made it. So under that pretext, I think it should be added to the pages content only (and not infobox) under the 'behind the scenes' section. The infobox should be used for official values and info only. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 22:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it's kind of hard to quantify a Behind the Scenes entry just for "In J.E. Sawyer's personal mod, Wine restores 15 Dehydration." Infobox would be a lot easier to use, but I do think that a sort of jarring icon like JES's head (a la Chris Taylor's head for the Fallout icon) would make it pretty obvious that it's not official, it's just all from Sawyer. Nitty the Kitty! 23:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that it assumes the casual reader has a certain level of knowledge JSawyer.esp etc. The thing I have an issue with, is including non-canon work in the infobox when it contradicts canon. If it isn't satisfactory to be included in the behind the scenes section, how about other sections like the 'notes' along with a source box, similar process as with VB content. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 02:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, my issue is how trivial some of these things are. Just little changes; stat alteration, the like. It's really not big enough to warrant a whole section, and I doubt it would look good squishing a single sentence between a start and end template sandwich. Could always have the head picture just link back to JSawyer. Or, y'know, we could try and implement a sort of changelog section, but with how well Bethesda documented the earlier patches, it'd be hard to get set up for the real stuff. >.> Nitty the Kitty! 03:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Yet it is the same process we use for every other non-canon/semi-canon piece of work, whether it be a wall of text or a single line in a pages content. Why should this mod be any different? User Avatar talk.png 22:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 'cause it actually integrates right into a canon work, sort of like how killap's Restoration Pack is mentioned a bunch of times in the Fallout 2 articles as if it's required. That probably needs to be cleaned up too. Nitty the Kitty! 04:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

H20, FOD, SLP Threshold problems?
Anybody else encountering this, or I am I mistaken? Seems the vanilla thresholds(200,400,600,800) are not deleted properly, and are causing interference with his new thresholds (400,550,700,850). The result is these effects and messages appearing: 200-Minor, 400-Minor, 550-Adv, 600-Crit, 700-Crit, 800-Deadly, 850-Deadly. --CharlesSurge 16:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, yeah, I did notice they don't work. The items he adds to various vendors don't stick around, either. Nitty the Kitty! 03:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * For the record, this is as of v3. To anyone reading this, you can use FNVEdit to delete his thresholds and just use the standard ones (of course, you can also change their rates). I dunno about vendors a lot. I've heard of general vendor problems, and I've seen mods to apparently fix some of them which players could seek out that may(?) also help jsawyer.esp's additions. Regarding this, I've sent him some tweets, and I think my formspring question went through. --CharlesSurge 17:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)