Talk:Why Can't We Be Friends?

Potential Bug
For some reason when I kileed Papa Khan for the NCR questline, by planting C4 in his pocket and detonating it, it says that I failed this quest, while I have never recieved it.68.112.190.171 05:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a bug. That's just how it works; if you kill someone that's needed for a quest, you fail that quest even if you never started it. -- 05:09, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Except that Papa Khan isn't related to the quest at all, so it IS a bug. 76.20.107.40 10:47, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to talk to Papa Khan later in the quest.
 * You don't HAVE to talk to Papa Khan - there are alternative options (such as Lem's suggestion that they turn themselves in) that don't require any contact with the Khans whatsoever. So it appears that this most definitely is a bug.
 * It's not a bug. This was made by the designers. Maybe it was or wasn't on purpose but it doesn't qualify as a bug.


 * It's not a bug in that it doesn't cause the game to crash, but since it causes you to fail a quest where the dead NPC may not be needed,(and how one can fail a quest that has not been accepted is questionable also), it's just poor QC. Why not simply exclude the option of talking to Papa Khan, or pass it on to the new leader?


 * Not all bugs cause the game to crash. But this isn't one, since Papa Khan is flagged as a vital NPC for the Why Can't We Be Friends? quest, killing him fails the quest even though it can be completed without speaking to him. It's a design issue, and an annoying one, but not a bug as such.

Vilified
My reputation with Powder Gangers is vilified. Can I start this quest anymore? --Schredas 15:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Disguise? De Accipitre Deserta 20:50, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

I was as vilified as could be with the Powder Gangers when I discovered the vault, they made no attempt to attack me or anything like that, allowing me to take the quest as usual. --Jonac13 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I am vilified with the Powder Gangers and I am attacked every time going into the vault to speak with them. I have tried this while wearing Powder Ganger clothing as well.

I think your Powder Ganger reputation only applies to those from the NCRCF, under the command of Eddie. After all, the men in Vault 13 are actually called Escaped Convicts, not Powder Gangers.--Wiseman of the Wastes 15:12, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

"option 4"
Option 4 gave me no XP and a "Mission Failed" message. This was most upsetting, surely the designers have heard of "boiling an ant-hill"? : --Trithemius 09:09, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Need Raider Blastmaster Helmet
With skill magazines and full perception I can reach 56 Explosive skill, could someone therefore tell me where I can find a blastmaster helmet to get the required 60 explosive skill so I DON'T blow everyone up?
 * I looked through GECK trying to find vendors who sell it (a non-trivial task because of the deep nesting of leveled item lists, and lots of leftover fallout 3 leveled lists), and it seems that the only vendor in NV that has this helmet is the Great Khan Armorer. The raider corpse on the bridge in front of the Novac dinosaur might also have it. I haven't been able to find any other places. SkipThisAd 19:43, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to get it is to go to the Great Khan Armorer, wait three days for the inventory to reset if you've viewed her wares before, save before asking to trade, then keep reloading until she has it. SkipThisAd 22:28, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Cooke
What happens with Cooke if i side with Lem and have them join the Great Khans?Will Cooke also join the Great Khans or will he stay in the vault or will Lem kill him?


 * Regardless of how you complete the quest (unless you blow up the whole vault of course), Cooke will kill Lem and the Powder Gangers will remain right where they are.Haravikk 11:17, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Getting the quest
I've blacked out all possible conversations with both Lem and Cook and still can't start the quest. What exactly are you supposed to say to them to begin the quest?
 * For Lem, you have to ask him if he has any work for you. This option is near the bottom of the list and you have to scroll the list down to see it. He will respond by asking you to blow up the sulfur caves and giving you a Blue sector keycard. Wunengzi 09:25, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Patriots Cookbook bug line that needed confirmation
I went ahead with Cooke's plan to destroy all the fire geckos and then went back and found Lem. Proceeded with his side of the quest and used a patriots cookbook to up my explosives skill to 60, I had both options of Destroy Cave & Vault and just Destroy Cave.

On another note, I'm in Red Rock now and I don't seem to be able to speak to Papa Khan about the quest for Lem.

This is not a bug, you lost this option when you blew up the sulphur: Destroying the fire geckos meant Cooke would be able to access the sulphur for his explosives, which is actually your bargaining chip with Papa Khan on Cooke's behalf. When you went on to complete Lem's part of the quest, desroying the suphur, you lost the bargaining chip and the only option left for the convicts is to surrender to the NCR. It's a moral choice, either Cooke's way or Lem's. After speaking with them, I tend to favour Cooke, as he's on a quest for revenge, like you, the Courier. Lem is a pansy.

Every body turns hostile on me
Everyone turned hostile on me after i returned from the Kahns to arrange them joining up, and i didn't kill anyone in the vault. They are just hostile from the start when i enter the vault after returning. Any idea on how to fix this? I can't pass the quest this way.

Want to Side with Lem, can't continue
I talked to Lem and told him I would sabotage the sulfur supply. I also talked to Samuel but I did not agree to his task, he just asked me to do it and I just said "Goodbye". I found the crystals but I don't have enough explosive skill or enough C4 to complete either option, so I attempted to go back to Lem to explain I can't do it. However, my only dialog options are the same ones from before. I can't tell him that I can't blow up the mine! Was I supposed to try to talk him out of it before agreeing to blow up the mine in the first place? I am rather stuck. --68.111.138.129 18:18, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to do that, you can blow the cave up with enough C4 bombs and explosive skill. C4 bombs can be bought from gun runners or 188 trading post. Skill can be improved by reading patriot's cookbook.

Can't trigger the dialog from Papa Khan
I decided to help Lem to blow the sulfur cave, and convinced him to let the powder gangers join the Great Khans. Then he asked me to convince Papa Khan. But I've met a problem when I talked to Papa Khan. I've talked to him before, right now he got no new dialog options so I can't resume the quest. Anyone knows what's wrong with it? How can I fix this problem?

Thanks.


 * On PC, bring up the console and type
 * set "0013e5af".lemtalkedtogreatkhans to 0 and
 * set "0013e5af".lemgotalktogreatkhans to 1 if you sided with Lem, and
 * set "0013e5af".cooketalkedtogreatkhans to 0 and
 * set "0013e5af".cookegotalktogreatkhans to 1 if you sided with cooke.
 * That did it for me. Nyarlazathoth 77.4.47.145 17:50, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Papa always behind locked doors.
I'm trying to do Why Can't We Be Friends but when I go to talk to Papa Khan he's always locked in his room. I've read that during daytime hours he should be sitting at a table but he's not. He's still in his room and both doors remain locked and red. Any suggestions?

I had this problem too on my first play through. He was locked in his room for a matter of days, even after picking the lock on the door. I fast traveled a few times and the problem fixed itself, though. Not sure if that's a definite fix, sorry to say. Br0seidon 18:46, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hostile Khans
I have a problem completing the quest: when I go to the Khans, they attack me for no reason, despite my reputation with them is "Idolized", and I don't wear any other faction item (I don't want to lose my reputation with Khans - and I doubt that hostile Khans would like to talk to me). I accepted the quest from Cook (never spoke to Lem), and my current reputation with Powder Gangers is "Merciful Thug".


 * Is it possible you killed one of the Khans at some point without realizing it? EganioTalk 05:13, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

hi i try to talk to lem but he is in hostile mode all the time and i cant find cooke to get the red sector card HELP

cant complete quest
hi i try to talk to lem to say ive blew up the caves i went to papa khan he said powder gangs could join now i go back to lem and he is hostile mode not to me to a enemy in the red sector which i have not got the key for and i cant find cooke HELP

Am I screwed?
I'm at level 30 so I can't get any more skill points. My explosive skill is at 30-maybe low 40's. It seems even with a patriots cookbook and blast helmet I still wont be able to reach the required 60 skill. Is there no way to complete it now?

(I don't want to side with Cooke, as I'm with the NCR. So that's not really an option.)

Cooke won't admit to killing Lem
After completing the quest and siding with Cooke, Cooke will kill Lem, causing him to be replaced by a pile of internal organs in his overseer's office. Now, Lem's office is supposed to be locked, and upon entering it via the reactor tunnel and returning Cooke he is supposed to admit to the murder. However, on the XBox 360 it appears that a common bug is that the door will not be locked at all, and Cooke will not give the dialogue admitting the murder, instead he asks the player to go to Red Rock Canyon, even if they've completed that part of the quest.

It seems as if the issue may be related to Lem's office door being left open at the conclusion of the quest. If you remember to close it before telling Cooke the news about the Khans then it will lock correctly and the "end" will play out properly. Can anyone else confirm this, preferably with G.E.C.K?Haravikk 11:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Disagreement over certain part
Discuss if you feel one side is correct.
 * If the Khans have been told to leave Red Rock Canyon in the quest Oh My Papa, the option for Samuel Cooke to unite the Powder Gangers with the Great Khans will not be available and the quest will end after clearing the caves. - Untrue: it is possible to tell the Great Khans to leave and still visit them afterwards to forge an alliance between them and the Vault Powder Gangers.

C-4
If you are carrying enough C-4, you may not be able to find the C-4 that's listed as being in the vault. I know I couldn't. Anyone else? -LawdyMissMaudy 00:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Quest name reference
The name of this quest is obviously a reference to the War song of the same name. Unless anyone objects I'll change the article to reflect that. CoD addict 04:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)