Talk:Super mutant overlord/Archive 1

Dealing with Tri-Beam Laser Overlords
Since they can't be reverse pickpocketed, one of the more useful tactics I've used were either using the terrible shotgun(smallgun users) or the Metal Blaster(energy weap users) in sneak attack outside of vats, which can kill them very quickly. IF THEY DON'T DIE in 1-2 hits, quickly shoot the tri-beam laser rifle out and pick it up, since it's capable of doing a lot of damage very quickly, especially if all three beams connect. -GoodOlBob

Once the Tri-beam laser rifle is gone(and picked up by you), dart gun them to keep them from running, then they're just really thick meat sacks to be torn down. -GoodOlBob

@GoodolBob you cant kill them on very hard in 1-2 shots, the way i deal with them on very hard is using paralyzing palm with a deathclaw gauntlet. i can make 4 swipes with the gauntlet before running out action points. then when they're on the floor pick your best melee weapon or gun and shoot them constantly in the head.--77.163.105.221 20:03, October 21, 2009 (UTC)Slasher

Track their path and place 3 bottlecap mines along it. Works like a charm. -Kurokawa

Go into sneak and use a Gatling laser and sneak attack critical it outside of vats, change to a dart gun and cripple its legs and let Fawkes do the rest, as the Tri-Beams just bounce of and then the Overlord is more of a Underpeasant

chinese stealth armor plus infiltrator, takes a while on very hard but it works, they are literally wlking into me and not noticing i am there shooting them, lol Infamous Andrew 05:51, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

German Town
One spotted at in the first level of the Germantown Police Headquarters. Took 7 shots of Alien Blaster to bring it down with 100 energy weapons. Another one was in the basement, but was unarmed and labeled as a regular Super Mutant. Sokolove 02:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Sokolove

I also experienced this. I recommend not using a fertilizer shovel on the overlord.

I actually managed to kill an Overlord with about two full "charges" (or whatever you call em with energy weapons) of the Wazer Wifle, and Cross beating on it with a super sledge.--207.199.196.90 14:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, the one in the basement is marked as a normal Super Mutant. Nuka grenades put a big dent in them :D Especially with explosives expert and 90 skill :DD 68.205.81.87 06:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The one in german town gives you full xp and can be reverse pickpocketed though :D

Roosevelt Academy
I found at least 5 Super Mutant Overlords during my first exploration of Roosevelt Academy. Does this site respawn Overlords? V.A.T.S. addict 20:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

what difficulty
for them to spawn?--Cc123 21:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Any. - Bot

Will the new monsters...
Spawn during a normal game now? That is, will you see them before doing the final quest? Dcruze 17:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I guess the above sections answers my question. Dcruze 17:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

If you download Broken Steel with out beating the game The Hellfires will come in. Same with the Albinos and Overlords. Oh and the level caps too. Dont download Broken Steel until you at Take it Back! You can get the new Enclave crap on the way to Jefferson Memorial. --Kirby888 16:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Location
There are 3 or 4 of them in the L'Enfant Districts of the city, between the Jeferson Memorial and Rivet City, inside the Museum of Technology, and one or two at the western back wall of the Citadel.--DSKs Sickness 1 17:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't this just be shortened to "Can appear anywhere there are supermutants"? Fat Man Spoon 00:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd guess so since I run into them with most Super Mutant hoardes.--Vinsen Lawlike 00:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I ran into one on the GNR quest, inside the Museum of Technology; and i was only level 13 (and normal difficulty)! It took a sneak attack with a nuke grenade without flinching. I had to reload 3 times before i could defeat it.


 * I was going through the wasteland gathering xp and ran into some just after quicksaving. It killed me since I was low on health, and when I reloaded a normal super mutant brute was in its place. So my guess is it's random. Dcruze 17:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I checked with the GECK. There seems to be two places where they are outright cloned in the game. There's one at the Chevy Chase checkpoint (GNR plaza), and two just east of Paradise Falls up the mountainside at a shack.
 * I'm not sure how the mechanics works with the other places where they respawn, some type of grouped encounter or something.
 * Then there's the random encounter ones. Dcruze 18:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * One good thing about this is the game is finally hard again. Time to put those 500 stimpaks and 50 mini-nukes to good use. Dcruze 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

"Only" level 13, eh? I just met one at level 5... Good thing I happened to have a Fat Man with me! Seriously, that's like replacing the Radroaches in Vault 101 with Deathclaws.:P 213.65.69.18 21:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I was level 3 and one of them killed 3 brotherhood soldiers and 2 turrets at the citadeal:/

Only level 3 and 5 huh? Well guess what when I was level -6 I met 10 of these and a behemoth. Seriously though, Id consider Reavers more of a pain in the ass.

Bug
On Xbox 360, German version, those fellows are very often stuck in rubble - either in the wild or in city-ruins. Can you confirm this? (when killed, the corpse is sometimes inaccessible since it got lost in the rubble)

Nukes & V.A.T.S.
I know you can shoot grenades in people's hands, or as they're careening towards you, and I heard you could target an incoming rocket, although I've never tried myself, but can anyone confirm if you can shoot an enemies Mini Nuke out of the sky?

I ask because I plan on hitting up the GNR Plaza soon, but I wanna know if there's any way to not get owned by the Overlord in the square if he gets his mits on the Fatman launcher.

GrandSabo 17:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)GrandSabo

I'm not sure if you can. Best bet would be to just save before you try it, and go for the fatman right away. The overlords are even harder than the behemoths since they use ranged weapons, with the behemoths you can just play hide and seek and you will be fine... Dcruze 08:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Grendades can of course be targeted in VATS, and while regular rockets can be shot out of the air manually, they cannot normally be targeted. There are several PC mods available that enable you to target rockets, however. Not sure about the mini-nuke question, never had the misfortune to run across an enemy who had gotten ahold of a fatman.--99.184.21.230 16:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Not every Overlord had a Mini Nuke on them and they don't always spawn at the plaza so you would need to have extremely bad luck to encounter one with a Mini Nuke in the GNR Plaza --BattleBen 07:37, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Yeh in the Capitol building in the rotunda (the round room with the behemoth) there is a talon company mercenary with a fat man (he may already be dead) and as he fired at the Super mutant i was tageting it with my own launcher and the nuke came up as a target. For me (it was rather far away) it had a 67% hit chance so i took a shot at it, as i had saved recently and the most spectacular thing happened, i hit it! 2 mini nukes exploding on each other in slow-motion VAT's is an absolute wonderful sight by the way, i reccomend it completely if possible. 92.10.167.164 20:27, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I think the guy talking about the rotunda may be a serious modding problem, as you cant target thrown grenades or missles in V.A.T.S. anymore (since 1.4). besides, it seems that the overlords never pick up the fat man anyway.someone could test this out by spawning an overlord next to a fatman or a corpse/container with a fatman and getting rid of his weapon... no name required june 23 2010 20:10hrs

Pickpocket
Reverse pickpocketing not working in current patch? (x360)

I'm having the same problems with x360. Sometimes I can pickpocket them, sometimes I can't. 67.182.50.59 17:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the 360 but as of 1.5 on PC it seems that overlords using tri-beam laser rifles cannot be pickpocketed; however I have been able to plant grenades on overlords using gatling lasers and super sledges.

Same problem with 1.4. Tri beam overloads can't be pick pocketed at all.

can't pickpocket tri-beams either, but can pickpocket gattling lasers, havn't tried sledges- Joe Hanson

Overlords with tri-beam lasers cannot be pickpocketed, but the ones with gatlinglasers can. I never tried this on the original, unpatched version.

tactics

 * The fastest and easiest way to kill an Overlord on any difficulty is to approach him in sneak mode, and simply place a live grenade or mine in his pocket, killing him instantly if successful. Even if you fail, he will not become alerted to your presence, but you will be unable to try again as failing will lock you out. This also works for all other classes of Super Mutant. However, Overlords wielding Tri-Beam Laser Rifles cannot be pickpocketed.


 * s will commonly be in possession of a Mini Nuke. This can be extremely dangerous if you wait to start the GNR battle at levels 18-30 because they will run over and pick up the Fat Man in the center of the square before you ever get a chance to.
 * Due to their extreme resilience to damage, sneak attacks are a relatively effective way of bringing these monsters down. Weapons which fire several shots (such as Shotguns, the Metal Blaster, or Tri-Beam Laser Rifle) can be very effective in this case. This is because firing these weapons outside of V.A.T.S. causes each shot to register individually, allowing the critical multiplied to deliver extremely high damage.


 * Another effective way of killing these mutants is to target their weapons. Breaking their weapon seems to either make them run or force them to find a new one. This gives you time to inflict as much damage as you can before they do so.


 * Another effective method if you have the Chinese Stealth Armor is to equip the Deathclaw Gauntlet and slash repeatedly, if you stay cloaked, you will not be discovered..


 * The Scoped Gauss Rifle is also a very good weapon to use, even when you are seen by the Super mutant. The possible knockout effect makes it easy to attack the mutant when it is down.


 * If you are in possession of the Scoped Gauss Rifle, dealing with these creatures is much easier. Simply take out surrounding mutants and proceed to use your rifle to keep them on the floor. It can take some time, especially on higher difficulties, but is a much safer way to kill them. It even makes dealing with two of them easier and quite comical, as long as your Luck is sufficient, around 1/2 of your shots are criticals so they're rolling around on the floor for a majority of the fight.


 * If you have taken the Paralyzing Palm perk you can easily take them down. Using V.A.T.S.. and an unarmed weapon, you can paralyze them for 30 seconds, quickly switching to another weapon after doing so.


 * The previously mentioned Violator, that was going to supposedly be their melee weaponwas either cut from the game or renamed.

locations
Known locations so far (that respawn): Kingclyde 00:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)kingclyde
 * The Capitol Building (Fast travel to The Capitol Building and there is a respawn of two Super Mutant Overlords on the stairs that lead up to the west entrance.)
 * Broadcast Tower KT8 north of Vault 87
 * 3 at Mason Dixon Salvage
 * 2 on the roof of the Statesman Hotel.
 * If you are doing the Reilly's Rangers quest, 1 is likely to spawn in the bar on the top floor of the Statesman Hotel restaurant with a Gatling Laser.
 * South wall of the Citadel
 * Inside the National Archives
 * Hallowed Moors Cemetery
 * 3 at Roosevelt Academy (2 in Roosevelt Arts and Athletics, 1 in Maintenence and Evacuation Tunnel and 1 in the Library)
 * Clifftop Shacks (this can be a dangerous place to get drawn into a long fight, Deathclaws, Talon Company Mercs, and Enclave are known to randomly spawn very near.
 * West of Rivet City and East of the Jefferson Memorial
 * Three can be found in the L'Enfant District, each carrying one of the three weapons that Overlords are commonly seen using (Tri-Beam Laser Rifle, Super Sledge and Gatling Laser). Careful as there are ALOT of Super Mutants in this area along with destructible cars AND Enclave Troops will land at a intersection you may pass, so things can get pretty hectic. Stealth is advised.
 * Before you finish retrieving the G.E.C.K. from Vault 87 in the beginning of Murder Pass in Little Lamplight, if you have Broken Steel you will encounter a Super Mutant Overlord.
 * North across the river from the Anchorage War Memorial in a tent along with Keller Family Transcript 5 of 5.
 * 1 near Wilhelm's Wharf
 * Museum of Technology, near the Virgo Lander II exhibit.
 * Bailey's Crossroads, en route to the quest Aiding the Outcasts
 * Germantown police HQ, In the basement. Possibly carrying a Chinese assault rifle one handed, and outside.
 * At Bailey's Crossroads in route to start the quest Aiding the Outcasts, which starts the Anchorage DLC.
 * There are two Overlords west of National Guard Depot, if you walk along the buildings towards Friendship Heights you find the mini encounter in which two of them are fighting two raiders.
 * 3 Inside the Chryslus building
 * Near Rock Creek Caverns replacing two Super Mutant Masters, they will both be armed with Gatling Lasers
 * In Georgetown, near some of the more important locations
 * In Murder Pass, between Little Lamplight and Vault 87.
 * It is very likely to encounter vast numbers of them in Vault 87, particularly if doing the quest Finding the Garden of Eden at a rather high level (18-30).
 * 2 at the east of the Shelter
 * While doing the Stealing Independence quest, it is one of the Super Mutants that charge the rotunda after talking with Sydney. Strangely enough, it is still called a "Super Mutant" but holds the assault rifle one-handed and has health equal to an Overlord
 * 1 at Vernon Square North
 * One Might Spawn Outside The Citadal

XP
It might be worthy to note that while much more powerful than Super Mutant Masters, they grant the same XP reward (50).
 * How dare they! //--TehK 21:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bastards! Fat Man Spoon 21:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All that ammo,all those stimpacks,all those broken weapons,and all i get is the XP i got from killing a master,im gonna fuckin' Shove there tri beam laser rifles so far up their ass theyll be pissin' shittin and spewing laser for eternity Werewolfhell 19:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OMG THEY DO THE EVIL PRICK HOLES!

Well, maybe if you ever tried to kill one, you'd notice that. Then you can make all your rude comments to your neighbors, who will most likely hear you scream at fallout 3 for not giving you enough experience points. No-lifes.-No name required june 23,2010 2017hrs

Mini Nukes
I've been told these drop mini nukes, and i've killed 4 of the dam things( 3 with super sledges, and one with a tri beam) used up 5 mini nukes and dam near all my 44 ammo( thank god for the ammo press) and havn't gotten a single one, i have 8 luck, lvl 25 and i'm playing on hard- Joe Han Son

Nevermind, i just killed 3 in the nat achives, found 2 on the corpses- Joe Han Son

Worst Overlord ever!!!
I once saw a overlord and i was like OH MY GOD RUN!!!! But when I ran aleast 2 miles i have not been shot. So i go back to see the mutant. He was friendly and had 10mm pistol.

WEIRD

but........... i got bored and shot him but he didnt die. I did everything to kill him even the FAT MAN

Came back tot he spot still there.

why did this happen?--71.70.80.147 00:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC) Kirby888


 * First of all, don't post like that. The whole "OMGLOLOL I WUZ LIKE WTF!?" thing doesn't really work around here.


 * Secondly, you probably just me Uncle Leo. --Clean Up 00:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

But he looked like a Overlord and his name was Super Mutant Overlord. I dont know how he is friendly or how he got the 10mm. Maybe got it from a dead guy in the Waste.

i guess uncle leo


 * Cool story, bro Firoas 23:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

weird... All I can say is dont mix up psycho with jet and pop in an ultrajet.. Its probably a glitch or easter egg.. did you try talking to MR. Overlord??.. NOOO.. We found a super mutant lets kill him.. Thats racism you know?--NightPhoenix 18:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Cool story, brosif.- smmg

Its probably a bug from a mod. Or you have a seriously messed up glitch that no-ones ever heard about.

Possible glitch?
I'm on level 22 and none have shown up in Murder Pass, Vault 87, Outside and In the Capital building...Have been playing for hours and haven't seen one yet. Tried reinstalling the DLC but as yet to no avail : /

92.8.233.111 23:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Mondo

they don't realy show up that often till about lvl 25-up, i went up till then and found only one with a sledge, soon as i passed 25, the dam things were everywere--67.162.197.113 22:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)JoeHanSon

Pfft. I encountered one at level 7. Worst experience of my life, right next to the first time I stumbled across Old Olney. He was one of two mutants attacking the sniper nests at the Citadel. Nitpicker of the Wastes 16:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Found one at GNR at level 3....well more like 5 of them....and one of them jsut had to pick up the fat man...then the behemoth showed up and i remembered lyons pride got stuck up under the map....lets jsut say i did for the first time in a fight since the game was released Werewolfhell 16:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 5? I only met one there at level 3. I just hid. Fat Man Spoon 16:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? Last time I went through there, I was at level 16. No Overlords anywhere in Chevy Chase. Nitpicker of the Wastes 16:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible to find one at level 2, I ran from vault 101 to the outcast outpost and lo and behold there was an overlord with his asexual buddies bringing the pain to the outcasts, luckily I had a stealth boy.Amorality 16:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have had the wonderful experience of meeting not one, but three between levels 2-4, outside GNR, the Citadel and at the Jefferson Memorial. Believe me, it put the fear of mutant into my very soul. 99.192.95.245 03:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Investigating claims
I'm on a second playthrough with Broken Steel installed, and I'm at level 14, having cleared all the story line missions up to Picking Up the Trail that involve fighting Super Mutants. I have not seen a single Overlord anywhere, not even in Mutant heavy places such as the National Archives. Also on my first playthrough save file (level 30), after exploring the GNR Plaza and the area near Chevy Chase a few times I have not encountered any Overlords in that area, and I didn't just wait a few days near GNR either. I left and came back periodically to refresh the spawns. Levelled Mutants as high as Masters would spawn, but no Overlords. As an afterthought, don't believe anything Werewolfhell claims. If you want proof that I'm not flaming go look here. Vault01 19:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, well I found one there. Fat Man Spoon 19:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he's an idiot. Yes, he was wrong about the Stranger's Magnum. But he's right about the Overlords. They are random spawns, and the chances of finding them before level 18, the intended break-point, are astronomically slim. But, it can happen. So, stop flaming. Start poking around the Roosevelt Academy. Nitpicker of the Wastes 19:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You lucky bastard. 99.192.95.245 03:30, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Reverse Pickpocketing
As long as the Super Mutant Overlord isn't equipped with a Tri-Beam Laser Rifle you should be able to reverse pickpocket them.

Sneaking
Use of the Chinese Stealth Armor and the perforator work wonders. I'm currently in V87, and I've seen more Overlords than Masters, regulars, and Brutes combined. I can sit in the middle of a hallway, spraying at them to my hearts content and they can't see me. it's brilliant. 68.239.234.132 04:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Vault 87
are crawling with these things....ughhhhh i highly recomend bringing in the heavy artillery and some stealth boys before you find the GECK in here. My metal blaster and all dont do crap =[

heh...I know, right? I came into the vault at level 25, stupidly expecting normal muties and ended up fighting at least eight of the bastards...I had forgotten about my Chinese Stealth Suit until the last two...shame, to...i had so much fun while combing the stealth suit and the dismemberer... 71.57.77.186 03:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

trivia
just to say, every super mutant looks A LITTLE BIT like then ogres in oblivion. but this trivia is just crap. i know alot of movies in them are monsters they look a little bit like super mutants, should i add them? (rethorical question.) --85.0.89.178 16:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

A major bug. Is it just me?
Now, I have been playing Broken Steel for a while now, it is purely enjoyable, I am running weapons mods, and have the first 4 DLC packs installed respectively. The only really irritating, frustrating, and just plain brain-throbbing part of Broken Steel is the fact that the Overlords seem to be able to aim their guns even when they are flinching from a crippled torso or even a crippled leg. They also seem to run even when flinching from crippled limbs, they just glide across whatever ground there is... I've tried running the DLC without any mods running, and even then they still do this. It's a really annoying bug because they somehow manage to punch me even when they are flinching from inflicted damage. I want to know; is it just me, or does anybody have this bug happening to them? And if anything, does anybody know what I can do to fix this? -Koriatsu
 * I have that problem if I aim to cripple both legs before finishing them. That's why I don't use the dart gun, but instead use an accurate rifle to take out one leg, then take out their weapon (those last two in any order) and then finally aim for the head to go in for the kill. I haven't failed to kill one yet like that.

Drop a nuke on them?! Epic fail
With a big guns skill of 100 I used a fully repaired fat man to fight off a randomly spawned overlord... the mini nuke impacted him on the chest and he walked out of the explosion with half health... WTF?!?! Are these things made to not be killed unless you are level 30???
 * Did you go for a headshot? Headshots with the Fat Man are buggy. Nitty 17:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

lol... you need to fire 3 mini nukes on them on very hard...--77.163.105.221 19:58, October 21, 2009 (UTC)Slasher

Vengeance and suggestions
Since Vengeance and Eugene waste ammo WAY too quickly.. I decided to limit its use to Overlords, REavers and albinos, And Bring followers. You know dogmeat, he becomes impossibly powerful when you are at high levels.. So I suggest making Dogmeat draw the aggro(Be assured.. he can take more than you possibly can) and you hammer it in the head with Vengeance.. it will be great--NightPhoenix 18:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Mothership Zeta???
In the article it says that Overlords appear in the Broken Steel and Mothership Zeta add-on. Is this true?? 98.228.102.37 14:27, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

The real piss-off is that they go for you, not the aliens. Unfreeze them at your own risk. -No name required,june 23 2010 2028hrs
 * Yes, they do. They start appearing after installing the Broken Steel add-on, and if you own Mothership Zeta ánd Broken Steel, and the level of your character is high enough, they'll appear in the Cyro Labs. Mark (Tedjuh10) - Talk 19:14, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

a bit too many
during reillys rangers i found 4 in the hotel 2 were in the same room one with gatling laser and one with tri beam,i lost cross on both tries because there kinda overpowered i reckon, but thered be no challenge without them so what the hell they keep the game a challenge.

Happened To Me Too Good Thing I Was Packing My Miss Launcher And 200 Missles Now I Have A Broken Weapon And 100 Missles. IAwnserFalloutQuestions 04:53, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

really curious
why is %90 percent of the article's content is in the talk page ? they dont seem like they lack the quality terribly to be seen on the article. or will it soon be done ? --Replikanxxl 16:35, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Super sledge's
I have noticed that the -25HP super sledges do in the hands of an overlord is listed on the weapon as an effect when i loot it off their corps, whereas other super sledges do not have this noted. Does anyone know whether this effect continues to work when wielded by you, or is it now purely a cosmetic difference?

Have also noticed this with the Tri-beam's -40HP, and am also curious about it?

Can see through stealth fields?
I'm starting to run into these guys now and I frigging hate them. Is it just me or does it seem like they are able to see right through the Chinese Stealth Armor's stealth field the moment you shoot them? I mainly use the Perforator with the CSA and, after shooting most enemies, it goes to [Caution] while they look to see wtf is going on. These overlord things go straight to [Danger] and start blasting at me with their damn tri-beams as if I weren't wearing the CSA at all. 97.73.64.154 02:47, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Cant find Overlords
I just got Broken Steel and I beat all quests. I am a level 23 and I have yet to encounter an overlord. I have looked in every location that I know of super muatnts appearing, and NONE were overlords...does anyone know why?--Chipgambino 09:14, June 10, 2010 (UTC) Level and Difficulty are all complete bullshit. If you cant find find one, you're not looking hard enough. someone found one at level 3. i find them all the time. They tend to spawn with other super mutants in mutant infested areas. it all depends on where you look. Name not required, june 23, 2010 2033hrs
 * I think you need to get a bigger level. The overlords spawn when you have a high level, not in a specific location. --TheBearPaw 06:50, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, what difficulty are you playing on? Might have something to do with it. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 06:52, June 11, 2010 (UTC)