Forum:Anyone support democracy?

Well i was just wondering who is not a moron. Like those idoits who think they know what they are talking about, dam commies Icedeath 02:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Democracy is good, but I still like Imperialism better. -The Puppet Master

atleast that worked for awhile but i never seen Communist do that well, it will never work cause classes end up forming and there always goin to be someone higher than someone else. Icedeath 02:19, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Communism does work you know? Imperialism isn't even a form of government.LW556DCJ 02:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

It is not. Communism united 2/3rds of Europe and Asia. What did Imperialism do? It made a lot of Asians (like me) and Indians (Ganhdi) pissed off and start revolts.LW556DCJ 02:59, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

You know what, they both pissed a lot of people off, but in china, communism isn't doing that bad, its working out for them, though they did have to change there economy. Icedeath 03:22, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

See? We are all equal. Though we are sperated in beliefs, I'm OK. As long we are all Christian or Catholic.LW556DCJ 03:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

i am christian but i have nothing against people who believe in something else, you know what nevermind i don't feel like starting a religious agrument, too. Icedeath 03:42, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Though we should really add more color here. Green kinda irks me nowadays.LW556DCJ 03:52, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

The form of Communism that exists today (say in China) is far different than what existed in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, it has been forced to undergo significant changes in order to avoid total collapse like the Former Soviet Union (emphasis on Former) at least from an economic standpoint in order to survive in the world (China is a case study) by adopting Capitalist policies and granting some freedom to individuals. Communism in general seems to take root far better in collectivist societies (like those in Asia) rather than individualistic societies like the United States and the Western World in general (for the most part). Also NO "True" form of Communism has ever existed (just like no "True" form of Democracy has either), no Communist state has ever been a "Classless" society and is always dominated by a "Power Elite" of sorts. No form of government is perfect and there will always be "Haves" and "Have Not's" but in my personal opinion the Federal Constitutional Republic (in essence what the United States has) is the best form of government (when most people think of "Democracy" they really referring to a Republic or a "Representative Democracy" and if you have any questions about these topics look them up on www.wikipedia.org).--BattleBen 05:22, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

I support Democracy. I live in one. Its a good system. A slow system though. Thats the major flaw. Jack &quot;the drifter&quot; Vance 00:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

BOOOO DEMOCRACY it doesn't work GO COMMUNISM it does Deathclawpoop 01:18, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

People fail to realize that democracy is considered a step towards communism. The Russian form of Communism WAS NOT real socialist communism. The only things that existed like that were in the early half of the 1900's, and they were all killed by imperialist fascists shortly. Imagine the picture above, but the guy on his knees is the communist. People hate it when we share. Metalfrenchtoast 03:17, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

A good example of communism working well is Linux, which has evolved into a wide array of completely free operating systems and programs openly available to everyone (There are some commercial releases... Not really worth it in my opinion). True communism doesn't have anything to do with restricting individual freedom, but in order to work people have to take responsibility for the society they live in. A class system is essentially a mechanism that allows certain members of society to sidestep or divert responsibility to others. It doesn't help that former totalitarian governments have had the balls to call themselves communists, just to confuse everyone. Marx and Kropotkin rocked the house, Lenin just looks like a poseur from where I stand. Metalfrenchtoast 17:17, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Democracy is obviously the better system. Representative Democracy, anyway, as true democracy would be pretty much impossible with the sheer number of people in most countries. Its a better system because its a realistic system. True communism (everything belongs to everyone and all work is shared equally by everybody) is unrealistic and will never exist because there will always be haves and have nots and people trying to divert their share of work to other people. Aside from Metalfrenchtoast's example of Linux, communism has failed everywhere it has been attempted. The Soviet Union collapsed and China is a totalitarian state with a mask. Democracy, on the other hand, has many examples of places where it has succeeded (virtually the rest of the world). Why this is even being discussed is beyond me. Raymorn 03:25, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Me And my army of communists will plant the hammer and sickle on the white house lawn Deathclawpoop 01:38, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

hay what about Socialism, im for anything that douse not suport capitalism. i geuss im the only Socialist here ps. socialism do not = nazi ( i add that becouse some people are ignorant to what socialism is --MrDot01 06:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Communism is just an idealistic vision of the world, created and used to subdue and keep in line the ordinary citizen. The way i see it almost every flavour of unified government that has been attempted throughout history has one way or another served the purpose of satisfying someone's greed for power. Communism is probably one of the more subtle ones - "Unify, people, for the motherland needs your unquestioning support, that we may live in a perfect society where no man harms man, there be no poverty nor wealth, and we are all brothers. (We'll just keep our real agenda to ourselves and keep you diluting yourself that you're building your perfect future while we exploit your labor, fear and hopes.)" And history provides examples i think, just remember Chernobyl - when the NPP exploded the government just kept quiet and told the locals it was just a minor problem. Two days later (by when it was already too late for anyone exposed) the radiation is detected in goddamn Sweden who basically ask Russia "Yo guys, what the hell's going on with your NPP, it smells all the way out here." and only then does the USSR government reluctantly admit to there being a situation more serious than originally revealed. They board all the citizens of the nearby town of Pripyat on buses, telling them they'll only be gone a couple of days untill the crisis is under control (Riiight.. 25 years later we make horror videogames based on it). They then send fire teams to deal with the disaster and never tell them it's burning radioactive dust they're spraying at. Tens of firemen and citizens die of the massive radiation. Consider also that the fault of the NPP was a human error to begin with - the people who built it were rushed by their Party superiors which resulted in the installation's systems being sub-standart, the person who is considered responsible for blowing it up was conducting a performance test with all the safeties off in order to impress the same aforementioned superiors and improve his Party standing. The NPP melted down. The USSR collapsed. It's symbolic in more ways than one. For a more shocking example you can read about Chikatilo too. Even more gruesome. Or K-19. Or Kursk. Maybe i'm missing the point, but let me put it this way - communism is just a form of control. Like any other kind of manipulation you just have to figure out what people want. Then you exploit it. Also, let me add that i'm bulgarian and my country never really recovered from the stain of being a sattelite state of the former USSR. I was born less than a month before the communist regime in Bulgaria fell and let me tell you - communism may well seem stupid, or great, or whatever to western societies, but actually living in it's aftermath - the smouldering ruins it left behind - it's another thing entirely. Those lucky enough to be born in first-world countries would not understand what it's like to be denied the individualism and personal freedoms they take for granted today, untill they see it for themselves.. - CursedToExist 09:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Chernobyl disaster is exaggerated. The area is generally safe to inhabit nowadays, there was no real spike in radiation-related diseases (everything falls within norms in the Ukraine and other affected areas) and the only actual victims of the disasters were the firemen who died during putting out the fire and other servicemen that helped put out the fire. Apart from that, no additional casualties. Problems arose in the resettled population, who suffered from being relocated to a completely different, alien environment and had to eke out an existence with no support from the state.
 * The problem wasn't even human error, at least, not at the power plant. The explosion was caused by faulty design of the failsafe rods, which were tipped with graphite (AFAIK) and when plunged into the reactor to shut it down, they temporarily sped up the reaction. Sadly, that was all it took to blow it to kingdom come.
 * Now, don't get me wrong - USSR's probably the second worst thing to happen to the world (the first being organized religion), but the Chernobyl disaster is exaggerated and facts are often twisted by opponents of nuclear power, especially Greenpeace scumbags. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:43, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * You may be right, but as far as illustrative purposes go i think the example holds. Oh and just cause i'm an ass like that - "faulty design" is human error. - CursedToExist 11:37, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

hahahhahha hay Cursed you do know that all forms of goverment are ways of manipulation and control, and we all can copy what we read hahahahhahhaha

No capitalism, No Democracy

"Mark my words comrade, one day things will change. We will take the fight to their land, to their people, to their blood!" Deathclawpoop 17:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think we need to start thinking along different lines. All the governments we've had so far have just had humans governing humans, with mixed results. I say we should elevate control out of our hands- let the computers take a crack at it. Give Hal a shot, he can't possibly do a worse job than we have. 64.12.116.20 05:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)