Forum:What is the best faction?

I think that ncr is the best. Beacause they good and not evil and nearest too a goverment.Sgt.Salvator:NCR Rangers 20:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't played a game with the NCR in it yet, so I don't know about the NCR. I do know the NCR would have its ass handed to them on a platter by the Brotherhood or the Enclave based solely on the equipment they use. Knight Captain Ski (talk) 04:40, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

NCR are not good guys. Neither are the Enclave, BoS, slavers, raiders, damn even the common townsfolk of the wasteland would put a bullet in your head if they thought they could get away with it. Anyway Ray, NCR have numbers over both Enclave and BoS and the technological gap isn't that large. Ishotamaninnewreno 13:37, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * NCR is also the most powerful faction in the west. The Enclave would have won a fight against NCR, but because they had FEV Curling-13 and Vertibirds. The Brotherhood lost the war against NCR, even though they took Hoover Dam and killed Governer Dodge. Nitty Tok. 13:44, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * They did? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:45, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the Prisoner didn't intervene in the BoS-NCR war, according to the Hoover Dam design document/5. Nitty Tok. 18:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be cautious when it comes to accepting certain events as canon. You don't know Hoover Dam's backstory yet. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

The technological gap isn't that large? The NCR is using recycled SWAT gear and the Brotherhood and Enclave have Power Armor. Seems like a big gap to me. Knight Captain Ski (talk) 18:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC) "Quantity has a quality all its own", hm? Knight Captain Ski (talk) 21:09, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Brotherhood has very little Power Armor, if you saw F1 and F2. NCR has the ability to throw waves upon waves of men at anything they care to fight, unlike the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood was outnumbered ten Rangers to one Paladin. Nitty Tok. 18:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * AS Nits said, the Brotherhood can field hundreds of soldiers with mid-level combat gear, while the Brotherhood is relying on small numbers of elite soldiers. In short, while the Steel has the tech, NCR can effectivelly steamroll them with overwhelming amounts of soldiers and through war of attrition. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically. :) Nitty Tok. 21:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even so, which would you rather have by your side: a squad of NCR rangers, with their SWAT gear, or a squad of Brotherhood soldiers, which potentially have PA? [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 17:18, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends on what I'm wearing. If it's a valuable suit of working power armor or a suit of decent combat armor, the Brotherhood would just as quick snap my neck and take it than help me. Whereas NCR is gonna be helpful as long as I'm helpful. Nitty Tok. 17:21, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure they're that ruthless. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 17:26, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The West and especially the Midwest Brotherhoods were. Nitty Tok. 17:26, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thats just retarded. If you were lucky/tough enough to get a suit and then smart enough to figure out how to use it, you would be more useful as an asset rather than just kill you and take it. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 17:34, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're a cult. What'd you expect? Nitty Tok. 17:40, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And you some of you are always puttin Lyons down. At least he knows an asset when he sees one. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 17:54, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * One. All the rest of the East Brotherhood are local punks who can barely shoot. Go ask Paladin Gunny. Nitty Tok. 18:00, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if Gunny would train them better... Its really not that hard to teach someone to shoot decently... [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 18:04, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * What did Initiate Pek do when faced with overwhelming odds? He hid in a closet. You can't teach an idiot to not be a coward. Nitty Tok. 18:06, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * He hid because he didn't know how to work the slide on his gun. Without a working weapon, what was he supposed to do? Not knowing how to operate his weapon either means he is a moron who didn't pay attention or he wasn't properly trained. Anyway, thats one guy that hid in a closet. The rest of them seem competent. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 18:08, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's one guy they assigned to field duty because they "thought he was capable". Just because they're competent doesn't make them battle-hardened war heros like the Outcasts. Nitty Tok. 18:28, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Outcasts die just as easily as regular BoS. I've checked. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 18:31, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They might have the same combat statistics, but that's just the game. The Outcasts are the Paladins that said "Fuck this!" and left because Lyons was willing to waste resources for no possible gain. A Brotherhood Initiate usually joins the Brotherhood because the Brotherhood had big shiny guns and the alternative was shovelling brahmin crap for the rest of their lives. Outcasts have direct military training, Initiates have a hurried course in "Mr. Grenade is not your friend." Nitty Tok. 18:35, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Waste resources for no possible gain"? They're protecting the remnants of humanity. Collecting and preserving tech is all well and good but if the human race is annihilated whats the point? And where are the Outcasts going to get reinforcements from? Theres only a finite number of them and it takes a long time to have kids and then wait for them to reach an age where they'd be effective fighters. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 19:21, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're protecting them... how? Rivet City has no BoS presence, Megaton has no BoS presence, Big Town has none (and they're plagued by supermutants), neither has Canterbury Commons or Girdershade. There are no BoS patrols in the Capital Wasteland, except for random outposts in downtown DC. Lyons is a good lyar, creating an image of benevolent protectors, when in reality, he's just a sad, deluded old man chasing after ghosts of the past, instead of actually trying to help the wastes.
 * Outcasts, on the other hand, constantly scour the wastes and, surprise, surprise, annihilate any wildlife and raiders they run into, leaving civilians alone. Sure, they're gruff and rude, but they're also extremely professional. Each Outcast is a battle-hardened veteran and member of the original Brotherhood of Steel. That gives each of them at least twenty years of training and another twenty years of hands-on battlefield experience. They're veritable killing machines. A shame Bethesda decided to give them the exact same stats.
 * Also, you're overestimating Lyons' importance. Humanity wasn't doing bad for some 170 years until Lyons came to the Capital Wasteland, so his presence isn't a deciding factor, nor is it essential to the survival of the human race. The Pitt, Ronto, Point Lookout, Rivet City, Megaton and (in the originals) practically every city rose up from the ashes without help from the Brotherhood.
 * Face it. The Brotherhood is a cult and a fringe organization of technofetishists. They weren't even the focus of any of the classic Fallout games. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 21:18, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whether or not they were the focus of any of the "old" fallout games has nothing to do with this. Just cause Beth didn't make the mutants as much of a central antagonist as they should have been doesn't make them any less of a threat. Pretty much every wastelander holds the Brotherhood in high regard. Why? Because they're doing their best at killing super mutants and preventing the people from being made into either food or green monsters. There should have been a Brotherhood presence in every town to go along with their goals but Beth screwed that too. And when did the mutants escape from Vault 87? They might not have been free that whole 170 years. And they've been contained for the last 20 or so. [[File:User BoS Paladin Thumbnail.jpeg]] Knight Captain Ski (talk) 22:05, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you're making stuff up. What should have been and what shouldn't have no bearing on facts. And the facts are: larger settlements don't mention or reference the mutants as a major threat; the supermutants are being chased after in the ruins of DC by the Brotherhood; the Brotherhood doesn't care about the supermutants ourside of DC, evidenced by their lack of presence there; for 170 years the Capital Wasteland wasn't too terrible. Facts are, the BoS is a cult of personality centered around Lyons and supermutants are little more than boogeymen. Are they dangerous? Certainly. Are they the humanity-threatening evil presence you make them out to be? Nope. V87s are retarded and possess no organization. They might grab the occassional wastelander, but they are nowhere near the threat Master's Unity was. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 22:37, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, humankind certainly doesn't need the Brotherhood to survive. I mean, look at everywhere that doesn't have the Brotherhood. They're fine. Nitty Tok. 22:46, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, humankind certainly doesn't need the Brotherhood to survive. I mean, look at everywhere that doesn't have the Brotherhood. They're fine. Nitty Tok. 22:46, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * The BoS can't put soldier in every city becaus they don't have many man as the NCR.Sgt.Salvator:NCR Rangers 21:16, May 12, 2010 (UTC)