Talk:Vertibird

What about the only hard data about its range?--dotz 05:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What's the source on that being their maximum range? Sounds pretty unlikely. Ausir 11:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 175 miles (oil rig - Frisco - Navarro) is its minimal confirmed range according to Navarro .msg files (Navarro computer or tech chats). In range are V13, New Reno, Redding and probably Gecko and Klamath also (probably after refilling in Navarro)--dotz 15:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Oil Rig is 175 miles off of the coast of California, not 175 miles from Navarro. The distance from Oil Rig to Navarro must be longer, since it's much further North, and we don't know the exact distance. Ausir 16:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There was exact oil rig placement given (longitude/latitude). Just our map magician should be consulted.--dotz 05:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I think the placement given was wrong, as it turned out to be on land, not in the sea. Ausir 14:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Vertibirds flew between Navarro and oil rig via Frisco. BTW according to TV preview in is not possible to shoot at vertibird or shot down it with Fatman or Todd wasn't able to imagine it was possible.--dotz 18:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, you can't shoot vertibirds down in Fallout 3 . Ausir 18:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I've shot down a fair few, i rarely do it because i think its a waste of ammo. But if you hammer out like 8 shots from A3-21's plasma rifle they'll blow up.--Greig91 21:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was early, incorrect info. Ausir 22:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

An image on Wikipedia kinda caught my eye and I'm wondering if there wouldn't be a way to either confirm or deny it being based off of a tiltrotorTiltrotor aircraft like the V-22 Osprey. Digital Ronin 05:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I had a vertibird do whats just about a bombing run on me :| dropped what explosion looks like mini nukes, 3 of them. All hopelessly inaccurate. 203.91.84.7 13:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

loyalists - who they were?--dotz 22:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

several Vertibirds were destroyed by Liberty Prime
but exactly how many?--dotz 11:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * A lot.


 * YES!

Vertibird strikes
I don't think they target the player, but others in the area, such as Super Mutants and Talon Company. The only times I've seen them attack the ground directly, with guns or nukes, was when there was a such a base nearby, otherwise they only drop troops at semi-regular intervals.

It should also be tested whether vertibirds return to a location after being destroyed. I've noticed the one that lands at The Capitol doesn't respawn, but it may have only been intended to appear once and park there. --97.81.77.13 16:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

The one that lands in front of the Alexandria Arms/Arlington Library location always spawns again. --Penumbra 01:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The alexandria vertibird doesn't respawn for me. One that has for me is just by bigtown near the broken truck where the muties sometimes spawn.( Just shot that one down..what a mess ...--1000hrs fallout 20:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)) ____________________________________________________________________________________________The Anacostia Metro crossing one I engaged appeared as I spawned at Seward Square facing East,level 20, having previously cleared the square of Muties. It came from the rear of the Capital building and dropped 3 mini nukes which exploded in front of me. I walked 60 paces SE ,passing under the over pass and it re-appeared but did nothing. I continued SE passing Broadway Cinema not showing Sister Act II but " One wife hold the meatballs", past the blue and yellow lorry on the rhs, heading towards Cornucopia Fresh Groceries, , just before reaching the yellow car on the RHS of the road the Vertibird appears from behind, lands just in front of the yellow car , opposite anacostia metro crossing and offloads a Enclave Soldier in Tesla armour and a Bot. You can explode the bird killing the bot as well as the soldier from 15 paces away. (I have not yet managed to board a Vertibird and leave the map ! )--1000hrs fallout 20:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I was once going to the Temple of the Union from south when I heard one approaching from the southwest. I crouched and it simply flew over me; I suspected it would land or something so I quickly legged it out of there. However, it disappeared behing a small hill and I didn't see it take off so I suspect it didn't land, simply flew over. Problem is, what the hell was it doing in the middle of nowhere flying in a SW-NE direction when Raven Rock is to the extreme northwest???--Amitakartok 14:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

VTOL
VTOL acronym should be explained (its origin at least, if nobody knows its meaning).--dotz 22:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See: VTOL. Ausir 23:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC) thx--dotz 00:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

(Vertical TakeOff and Landing.)--ASL93ratjar 22:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The first recorded VTOL was made by Nikola TESLA in the 20`s and the first fully functioning VTOL by the British in the early 50`s --195.93.21.71 08:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Picture
I've removed the picture of the Capitol Building Vertibird because of the posing figure. I don't think it's right to show off your own character (explained by the rather obvious Gatling Laser) in an article dedicated to the Vertibird itself. If you want to show off, do it on your userpage. --Echo11 19:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Vertibird Weapons
Via the console, the Vertibird Bomb Gun and the Vertibird Gun can be obtained (3E5E2 and 89C51 respectively); however, upon equipping and using both of them, I found that the Vertibird Bomb Gun is exactly identical to the Fat Man save in name, and that the Vertibird Gun, taking the form of a improperly carried Gatling Laser, (shows rifle carrying position, with Gatling Laser slightly beneath the arms) is worthless (despite showing considerable damage in the Pip-Boy, when equipped it constantly fires and does no damage). I was wondering though, if this information should be added to the article, if not only as Trivia?

--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 04:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Interior Screenshot
Is it possible to obtain an in-game screenshot of the interior of the Broken Steel Vertibird? An interior shot would be really good for the page. Mobius 22 21:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Not a helicopter
Vertibird is not a helicopter - it is tiltrotor aircraft like the very real V-22 Osprey which can operate both as helicopter and airplane. Although never actually shown in-game as far as I know, by looking at the rotor configuration of Vertibird it is obvious that they can be "tilted" to work as propellers; the rotors "arms" being connected to roundels of sort. --VonVince 10:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not a tiltrotor craft, it's a Tiltwing craft, if you look at the parked craft at the capitol building you can clearly see the wings fixed to the engine and on a rotating axis on the craft. Aryeonos What!?] 22:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

As well I should mention that the hull/fuselage of the craft is far more similar to a MiL Mi-24 Aryeonos What!? 05:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Heard an Explosion
I heard what I thought was a Vertibird followed by an explosion. I ran up an saw a mutant with a missile launcher, so I thought maybe the Mutant had shot down the bird (not sure if this is possible). Now I'm thinking it might be the Firelance, and a Mutant with a missile launcher just happened to be nearby. Anyone know if mutants will attack Vertibirds so i can confirm this? 173.73.75.156 17:58, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Not realy a confirmation but I'm thinking a mutant would attack a vertibird, as would anything else not allied with them, to check if it was firelance or not seach the area hard for APC's if none are found it was definitly not firelance. - RASIC 18:01, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

That happened to me as well. At first I didn't see the supermutant, but I did see the missile bring the Vertibird down. However, a supermutant armed with a missile launcher then proceeded to attack me, so I am certain that it took the Vertibird down. R0gueHunt3R

Same here. Saw two vertibirds flying by and the second was brought down by a missile. When I went to investigate, I found several super mutants in the area.

That IS a scripted event, assuming your where I think you are. Vertibirds do not register as enemies to anyone but Liberty Prime and you, so it is not a random game occurance. This Super Mutant spawns there even if you clear the area already, and the Mutant-Vertibird scene will trigger on you way through a canyon just north west of the tower. See: "Broadcast Tower KT8" for more info. -18:24, March 22, 2011, Guest Editer

Fuel
So what did Vertibirds run on? I mean, I guess they could use any oil from the Oil Rig on the West Coast, but oil was in limited supply. Once they got to the East Coast, I wouldn't even know where they would get their fuel from. So do Vertibirds run on petroleum, or do they use Microfusion Cells like the Highwayman, or something else? MaulYoda 04:26, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fusion cells (not micro fusion cells, full sized ones) propably. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:34, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I guess that would explain their increased range, thanks. MaulYoda 23:03, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Destruction
"The Tesla Cannon can easily take out a Vertibird in one shot." is not always true. I found that in one game, even with 100 in all skills, my Tesla Cannon was taking at least 5 shots to destroy the Vertibirds at Adams. 71.203.125.108 22:46, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is quite correct. Wandering around after the end of Broken Steel, with 100 in all combat skills, I ran into Vertibirds several times, and it always took five shots from the Tesla cannon to explode one. They would usually begin to burn after the third shot, and I think (though am not exactly sure) that one may have flown off and then crashed in the distance after being hit by four shots.
 * By the way, does anyone else think that it's odd that you get no XP whatsoever for downing one of these? Wunengzi 22:48, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

i always wondered the vertibird resembles the falcon in halo reach look at them there green its hard to explain it tho                                                          -Dae2000

Different in Vegas.
Is it just me, or is the vertibird in new Vegas different from the other fallouts? I mean, this one looks like it's got a different nose, and is larger.--Blahmarrow 00:35, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Capitalizing the name?
In keeping with Vault policy, should the name Vertibird be capitalized? I believe the rules are: caps for unique creatures, weapons, etc. and lowercase for everything else. One does not write, "He picked me up in a Helicopter he had rented".

Any thoughts? &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 01:47, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Helicopter is a common noun, whereas Vertibird is a name of a specific line of tilt-rotor VTOL aircraft, a proper noun. Therefore, it is capitalized. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:35, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Renaming of the so-called "VB-01"
So, 76's new update brought a whole heap of new lore, one interesting tidbit I found while sifting through piles upon piles from a certain Pioneer Scout location, specifically the fact that one of the answers (While I can't exactly tell which one is right or wrong), specifically names a Vertibird model as "XVB02" Vertibird as a possibility at Grafton Steel. Therefore, with this new evidence, which I or someone else will type up here on the Vault in due time due to the sheer length of the questionnaire, I propose the renaming of all instances of VB-01 to XVB02 Vertibird. If there is any doubt on my claim, I refer you to the following link: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Pioneer_Scout_camp_terminal_entries#Show_Question_365 Ss2077 talk 03:21, April 24, 2019 (UTC)


 * The "X" in XVB02 is meant to signify the aircraft is in the prototype phase. Throughout the production history American military aircraft, the "X" in a designation was given to aircraft that was still in prototype and was currently undergoing testing. From there, if an aircraft was deemed satisfactory, it would lose the X in its designation. You can see this in the production history of a lot of American military aircraft where the first of their kind are usually called X{Insert plane designation here} While the VB02 was definitely in the prototype phase before the great war, it would exit the prototype phase with the Enclave when they would produce a bunch. Also, the VB01 from 4 and the VB02 from 3/NV are clearly different from each other and I feel like differentiating the two is perfectly fine since you can't have a VB02 without having a VB01 first (though I think the Vertibird from 2 should be in VB01 imo). I'm fine with changing it if everyone else wants to, but I think our current interpretation of the lore we got is correct right now. I think I had a variations section in VB02 awhile ago that listed the XBV02 as the prototype but it must've gotten deleted in a rewrite. Devsatatin' Dave(ZIP ZAP RAP) 03:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * They're also explicitly stated to be different from each other in the art book - and the XVB02 applies specifically to the gunship variant shown in Fo3/FNV. Tagaziel (talk) 06:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you source that? I've looked at the Vertibird pages in the art book a few times but have never been able to find it mention VB-01, while it mentions them using a "a different variety than the gunships used by the Enclave" it never states it's an earlier model or prototype. TrueVoidwalker (talk) 06:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

That's the bit. The VB-01 is clearly an earlier model, being bigger, bulkier, and most noticeably, used widely as standard transport (you have a lot of material to pick out from, starting with Log - SSG Michael Daly and continuing with the numerous crashes across the Commonwealth). Meanwhile, the FO3/FNV variant is explicitly described at the Museum of Technology as being in development, still an estimated eight years from introduction into service (an eternity in wartime). Plus, the F76 intro establishes the widespread use of this early variant even further. Tagaziel (talk) 06:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really attached to the VB-01 designation. It's a reasonable extrapolation from the lore, and was made primarily to avoid using Vertibird (Fallout 4) ad nauseam. Any alternatives? Early generation Vertibird? Service Vertibird? Vertibird-that-wasn't-in-prototype-stages? Tagaziel (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems likely that it's just the XVB02, both references to the technical name come from pre-war sources (F3's Museum of Technology and F76's Scout Terminal). As well it's mentioned that the Enclave continued development of the Vertibird after the great war and got it fully service ready, so it seems weird to think that they wouldn't remove the X designation from it as it's no longer experimental, even if "VB02" isn't explicitly mentioned anywhere in-game. TrueVoidwalker (talk) 07:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem with this line of reasoning is that there's no actual proof the XVB02 on the terminal refers to the Vertibird in either Fo4 or F76. Meanwhile, MoT's plaque establishes firmly that VB02 is the designation used by the gunship Vertibird (I'm dropping the X because it's a pre-War experimental designation; just waiting for someone to give me grief over it behind my back :P), while the art book makes it plain that the Vertibird in Fo4/F76 is a different beast than the one in Fo3/FNV. Tagaziel (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * In case you're wondering:

"This is a scaled model of a prototype military transport vehicle being developed by the U.S. Military. The XVB02 "Vertibird" is a VTOL ("Vertical Take Off and Landing") craft with an extremely durable armored fuselage and can be armored with a variety of offensive weapons and defensive countermeasures. This is the most advanced aircraft of its kind ever developed, and the military hopes to press them into service by 2085."

- Museum of Technology plaques

"An army vertibird dropped some badly needed medical supplies, but we're still running dangerously low on meds, dressings and sterile instruments. Our backup generators have long since quit, so we've resorted to removing the fusion cores from automobiles and jury-rigging our electrical system."

- Berkeley Springs terminals


 * As such, XVB02 has not entered service. The one in Fo4/F76 was already in service. Still open to suggestions regarding the name (at least here nobody's going to ban me because they disagree with me :P). Tagaziel (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If we want to follow wikipedia's example, the vertibird would be called the VB01 Vertibird with no X because it entered service with the Enclave. If some lore comes up that retcons the vertibird the Encalve used was actually not the VB02 (maybe the VB03!?), then we can change the necessary names with the X at the front. Devsatatin' Dave(ZIP ZAP RAP) 19:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * VB045123Shakalaka Vertibird.
 * Seriously though, I've scoured the text of Fo4/F76 and there's no reference to it being anything but plain ol' Vertibird. We might rename it to just Vertibird, with the XVB02 designation used for the gunship model (using just Vertibird in Fo3/FNV articles, since the Enclave may have dropped it, much like they dropped X-01 and called the APA just plain ol' Enclave Power Armor or Power Armor Mark II). Tagaziel (talk) 05:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Like I cited in the original post, it's not currently in the game, it's most likely in datamined files or today's secret update. But the point of the entry I cited is that it clearly refers to a model of Vertibird, the XVB02, and mentions it as an optional answer in a Pre-War scout camp, keywords being Pre-War and XVB02. As for "dropping" X-01 or APA, 3 constantly refers to the technical name as Advanced Power Armor Mark II, only the Pip-Boy really considers it typical "EPA". Regarding the usage of X-0X on Enclave equipment, consider Creation Club content what you will, but the X-02 PA set is explicitly mentioned in both loading screens and terminal entries as a distinct advanced prototype to the APA Mk II, considered to be an in-between of Enclave PA and Hellfire in Fallout 3. There's also the notion in which the Gunship model used in F3/NV is heavily implied to be the same model used in 2, which the website currently considers the two models to be different, where Daisy mentions that she was the pilot of a Vertibird found in Klamath, as well as Lily utilizing a Vertibird blade fashioned into a sword salvaged from that same Vertibird. A blade that shares the model with 3/NV's rendition rather than the rotors seen on F2's model. I've already gone on with this long enough, but my main points are that, to some capacity, the name would still most likely be XVB02, Enclave naming schemes are still consistent within the game's they're shown in, and 76's explicit namedropping of XVB02 could have just as easily been Vertibird or something else, but the attention to detail shown in what I've read of the Pioneer Scout camp terminal entries show that it was either placed there as a reference or for a legitimate, to be added upon reason. We'll find out in the coming update, but I'm still in favor of just keeping it XVB02 and changing all instances of VB-01 to XVB02. (Side note, but I'm not sure what occurred between you (Tagaziel) and TrueVoidwalker, but I'd appreciate snide remarks being kept to a minimum, since it sounds like something happened, but I don't want to be part of it in a discussion of lore and Vertibird designations.) Ss2077 talk 06:49, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

I asked Matt Grandstaff about it on Twitter and he pointed out that Creation Club also includes stuff from Prey and Doom, so it's not really a source.

As for the Pioneer Scout terminals (I'll add them shortly for our format), they mention a Vertibird designation. They do not establish that it's the designation of the Vertibirds found in the game. Furthermore, the problem with naming the Vertibird in service as XVB02 is that Fallout 3 makes it plain that the XVB02 is the gunship variant and it wouldn't enter service until 2085. Meanwhile, the VB01 found in Fo4/F76 (it's a useful shorthand, I'll keep using it) is explicitly shown in the intro to Fallout 76 as being a vehicle already in service (some claimed the Commonwealth could have had test runs there, but it's evident that the intention is to have it as a service vehicle, as opposed to the prototype).

In case you're wondering, we actually did have an idea like this raised: I was voted down the last time I suggested that a designation mentioned in the game could apply to a physical item, namely, the M199 rifle mentioned in Fo3 being a military designation of the commercial Stent R91 assault rifle. It was established as the service rifle of the US Army and the Army soldiers found throughout Operation: Anchorage use the R91. It was considered too tenuous.

As for what happened, it's not TrueVoidwalker, but the admins of a subreddit talking smack about me and this site - after one of them decided to ban me over the VB01 naming, because that's how they resolve differences, I guess. I'm not bothered by the ban - I don't ban people when I disagree with them, he does, his circus, his monkeys - but I'm bothered by people talking crap about me, my friends, our editors, or our site, without the courage to actually say it to our faces. Tagaziel (talk) 11:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

As for the Fo2/Fo3/FNV Vertibirds being one and the same, I have no objections to that. That's a distinction introduced 11 years ago - by me no less, and commonly accepted at the time https://fallout.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Vertibird&oldid=44577 - so I'm happy to defer to you, ss2077. Tagaziel (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Removing the dash in designations.
I am completely unclear why the dashes were included in the first place as the ONE reference to their technical name didn't have it, besides the prospect of including and advertising more non-canon fan nonsense as full fledged canon, but it should be removed, and I don't care about "muh real life military designation" because you're wrong wrong anyway, most military technical names don't include a dash except for when needed to separate the number and style of measurement, typically on ammunition. VB-02 and *shutters* VB-01 SHOULD be plain and simple XVB02 and VB01, no dash, no nonsense, stick to the established and unembellished lore or there's no reason for a lore oriented wiki to exist. TrueVoidwalker (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2019 (UTC)