Talk:Oh My Papa

Edits made during other edits
Please observe when wikia informs you that someone else edited the page while you were editing. Many improvements and wiki etiquette standards were recently replaced with the old stuff due to this. --ParallaxFallout 06:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Edits Made During Other Edits
Sorry if I edited some of your stuff. I was kinda pissed because I worked for a really long time to make the quest really good, but then it wouldn't let me post it. Thanks for the heads up though on the etiquette thing though. -- ArmoredKingyo

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. It's happened to me like 4 times today alone and each time I look and I'm all, "What the heck is going on where it's not accepting my edits." I just look at what someone has done, copy my edits and reload the edit page. I'll then copy my edits if it wasn't the stuff changed by someone else. Then, my edits and the other persons are both there without risking the other stuff being lost.

The etiquette stuff is just things like not needing the links to the same thing 50 times in an article. So if Great Khans appear 5 times, just the first Great Khans should be linked to their article. That's all I meant there.--ParallaxFallout 06:16, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah no problem. This is the first wikia I have every worked on so I'm kinda new to it. I will try to be more cautious in the future.

PC: Quest broken (big surprise)
I don't have a dialog option to talk to Moore about an NCR/Khans alliance after talking to Regis. My quest log says that I need only to talk to her about an alliance, but I have no option to do so. I've exhausted and re-exhausted the dialog options and I can't find it anywhere.

I have the same damn problem, I can't initiate the dialogue!!! I have done this quest three times and can't freakin complete it because it says to talk to her about an alliance and there is NO FREAKIN OPTION! Please Obsidian, for the love of god fix this or someone please post a workaround.

I feel like I might have made one misstep in dialog somewhere (HOURS ago), but it would be too far back to correct and the quest says I can still talk to Moore! I saved and played through the end of the game, supporting the NCR at Hoover Dam and the epilogue mentions the Khans fighting at Hoover Dam, but I didn't see any of them during the fighting! Anyone know how to reach into the console commands to correct this? tour86rocker 10:33, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You might need to talk to Papa Khan first, (even though he refuses to consider it). So many quests are screwed, either not triggering properly or NPC's disappearing. If you get Regis the evidence the option might appear. I know I got the option, but Melissa disappeared so I couldn't take the path to convince his advisors and had to go an extra step, (this is in order to avoid killing Papa Khan.)


 * Ah ha! There is a way to fix this quest if you're a goody-goody two shoes! If you've already asked him to split with the Legion before this quest, type in the console command, this allows you to convince Papa to break up with the Legion, then he'll refuse anyway, but then the extra option of telling Colonel Moore about diplomacy should then appear. Was looking for a fix for weeks, then I saw the solution on the bugs section of this article. --Bottletopman 08:35, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is the problem in every case, but when I used console commands to change my faction rep with the Great Khans from Vilified to Idolized the option to ally appeared in dialogue with Colonel Moore. The quest doesn't say good rep is required, but maybe it is required - just isn't mentioned.

Words n' stuff
I notice too many people in the "bugs" section getting hung up on the word "destroyed" in reference to the Khans. If they are not with Caesar then they have been "destroyed" as a political/military force so far as the NCR is concerned. Sure you can physically destroy them, but the word has a wider meaning.


 * By destroyed I'm fairly sure the NPCs are talking about them being literally destroyed, as there are also NPC lines about how the NCR massacred the Khans at Red Rock Valley.

Quest line does not include all parts
In Oh My Papa, after the first part where you go to the Hoover Dam and talk to the lady, I said i did not want to kill Papa and was dismissed. Then, the next part of the quest came up and it was not in the article. If I were to try and fix it, I would fail and mess it up so could some one add this?

Killing Papa fails quest.
I dont know what i did but yeah,follow the entire quest line only think i can think of is telling moore i wouldnt kill papa khan, but anyway after seeing he wasnt going to chsnge his mind about joining NCR i changed mine about killing him.

killing papa khan fails this quest and why cant we be friends, And i only get the option to say goodbye to regis afterwords... --173.7.43.198 06:38, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Edit: Hmm i killed karl, and it reset the entire quest... going to follow it see what happens.

Note: In order to successfully assassinate Papa Khan, you must first start the quest and talk to Colonel Moore and accept the assassination plan. You don't have to kill him while he sleeps, either. With high enough Sneak (I have 50, it works), you can sneak behind him with a powerful silent unarmed weapon (I used Love and Hate) and kill him. If you do that, don't use vats, it'll make you move and the people will see you.

The toilet behind the house
This was long time ago, but I think I saw Papa visit the outhouse behind the Longhouse at some point during the night. This should provide an extra opportunity to assassinate him (assuming my memory can be relied on). Feel free to stake out the place with a silenced sniper rifle to confirm this =)

- Additional

Just noticed this myself; every day at 2:10pm Papa Khan makes a leisurely deposit in the outhouse. You can easily kill him undetected by waiting until nighttime, tossing C4 behind the outhouse, retreating to the yurts up the hill and then waiting til 2:10pm the next day. He flies right over the longhouse too! 195.137.90.156 22:57, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Legion Outcome
It states on the notes there is a legion way of completing his quest. What is it?

Great Khan's alliegance
Is there any way to get the Great Khans to side with the player for the independent outcome/What happens if you get them to side with the NCR but then complete the game in favor of Yes Man when you have full good Karma? Also, convincing the NCR to back down without bloodshed isn't a problem for me as I'm idolized by them and I have 90 speech along with a set of naughty nightwear and a few speech magazines with me at all times.

Well I went through all the endings really quickly to get the trophies, see what happens, etc. and in every single battle for Hoover dam the great khans showed up and helped me. I had never done oh my papa nor had I even entered red rock canyon, but I did help out jessup in boulder city and got a liked reputation with them, so apparently (or maybe it's just me) they will side with you depending on your reputation with them.

27.33.143.47 12:45, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Restarting the Quest
I've always hated myself for doing this quest out of order and not being able to ally the Khans with the NCR, is their any way for me to restart the quest just prior to the attack on Hoover Damn without breaking the main NCR quest line? If so, please tell me how, it would be greatly appreciated. DonaldDarko 04:32, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Another bug fix
If Karl is disgraced through speech, but you do not want to travel to Caesar's fort to get the slave ledger, you can type "player.additem 00144674 1" to get the ledger.
 * That's not a bug fix. That's laziness. -- 22:24, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Regis problem?
Ok, so this problem is hypothetical for now because I don't know what I should do.

I disgraced Karl through speech and I want the NCR to be allied with the Khans. If I go to the Legion Fort and try to get the slave ledger (killing everyone in the process - because I wouldn't sneak around), would I have to kill Caesar to get to the ledger? And would this offset the game in anyway? I'm not too far into the main story (I have to meet Benny at the Tops - I don't know if that helps) so I don't know how much Caesar is going to contribute to the main story, which is what's causing my hesitation.

Thanks!


 * Well that depends! In some ways talking to him is really grate and in some ways killing him when walking in to the tent is really great to! I suggest that you ether read around the wiki (Ceasars page is a start) or do as you just feel like now and then do a second play trough and see what happens when you try the opposite rout.

Oh And another thing: Please sign your posts with ~ Terrorblades - This is recorded live at  09:35, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Getting stuck after completion of the quest
On Windows version with the latest patch (1.4.0.525), after completing Oh My Papa through diplomacy and convincing Papa khan to do a suicide attack on Legion, I got no update on "For the republic 2" quest and no new option when talking to Colonel Moore, She still wanted me to go to Red Rock Canyon. Removing the update didn't help. So I converted the savegame file to XBOX version with Modio and used it on unpatched Xbox version and then I got the option to tell Colonel Moore that the Khans are helping. 72.20.37.213

This happened to me as well. The quest marker is also stuck to the entrance/exit of the longhouse. --99.155.195.181 01:21, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

I encountered this bug too on the Xbox version (Ultimate Edition) on the latest patch.--68.122.35.41 05:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Problem with Oh my Papa/for the republic 2/col. moore
Got the same problem as him: http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/381372-problem-with-oh-my-papafor-the-republic-2col-moore/

But I din't use the cheat because of his problem afterwards, so is there another solution for this problem? I don't wanna kill the Khans.

Independence and Assassination
"(Optional) (NCR) Assassinate Papa Khan. Note: If you are doing the main questline Independent/Yes Man faction, you don’t want to pick this option." --- Just out of curiosity, why is it bad to assassinate Papa and then go for the Yes Man line? What happens?
 * They still fight for caesar. Please remember to sign your posts. Thanks.--Kingclyde 03:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I made sure to update the main page for those who were interested in taking Yes Man's path. Pendejochy 07:13, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion
Some potentially useful discussion here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/959557-/59550314 --(talk 17:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)