Talk:10mm

Question
Since 10mm Pistol is also a disambiguation page, should these two pages be merged together to prevent people from having to click on multiple choices, or is it fine the way it is? --MadDawg2552 21:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this should be a redirect to the ammo caliber, especially that the ammo page lists all 10mm weapons anyway. Ausir 21:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason I changed it is because when I'm looking for a 10mm weapon I just type 10mm into the search, and it redirected me to the ammo, which is a bit disorienting at first. In real life, when we are talking about a 9mm handgun, we usually just say "9mm", and when referring to bullets we just say "bullets".  --MadDawg2552 21:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Chris Taylor's Opinion
Where Chris says that the FBI found the 10x25mm Auto cartridge "lacking" is not true. The caliber had incredible potential however when picking the round as their standard they overlooked a very obvious fact. How are their agents, of all sizes and genders, going to handle the cartridge? After enough field trials and general usage, the FBI realized they made an error and a very large percentage of their agents had difficulty become proficient in firing the cartridge (even in the Glock system with it's buffer system that substantially reduces the effects of recoil from the massive muzzle blast). Shorter/smaller male agents and most females also had trouble acquiring a proper hold of the handgun's large grip, which added to the difficulty of training proficiency and marksmanship.

So, instead of going to the 9x19mm cartridge that the majority of law enforcement uses, the FBI contracted Smith & Wesson to reduce the 10mm cartridge to something more managable on the level of the 9mm while still retaining the 10mm caliber slug (and of course it's effectiveness). S&W succeeded and the FBI adopted the new 10x22mm S&W, or most commonly known as the .40 S&W, as their new standard sidearm cartridge.

To conclude, there was nothing wrong with the cartridge it was simply just a matter of it being "too much gun to handle" so to speak. Thus, it never gained the popularity it so deserved as the ten millimeter auto is a truly remarkable cartridge capable of many shootist feats. --Demon971-- 01:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Detailed history?
The info from the WP article, while very interesting, seems too much for an in-game weapon page. I remember someone recently removing similar information from another page, and I don't recall seeing a lot of real-world history on other weapon/object article pages.

Any thoughts, anyone? &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 23:30, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Things like that are removed because there is no confirmation from developers on what it is supposed to be or it doesn't share the same name as the real world weapon. It has been confirmed that the 10mm rounds in-game are based on the 10mm Auto cartridge. However, 2-3 whole paragraphs on the subject is a little much. At the very most I'd put something along the lines of "This round is based on the real-world 10mm Auto cartridge with '10mm Auto' being a link to the wikipedia page. Let the fanboys go have their gungasms somewhere else. UserGreatMara.pngge 00:31, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks--that's a good rationale. There is a Chris Taylor quote just above it which pretty much says it all. I moved the WP link there and removed the redundant paragraphs. &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 00:45, October 20, 2011 (UTC)