Talk:Isabella Proud

Has anyone reached this site on the Playstation 3 version of this game??

I'd LOVE to be proven wrong as I have this nearly OCD-like need to look for EVERY location in a Quest Game (please let me and the other players know how you did it by editing the Main Article). Thanks. Thanos777 04:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You need to dip into the water just north of the metal staircase and climb up on the other side. Then follow the path north, then east. The game world doesn't have any boundary clipping; the invisible walls are mainly cubes or sphere-shaped (you can see them in G.E.C.K. (editor)). /Mirar 10:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Its been a while since I did it but I'll give it a shot. You have to jump into the irradiated water and then climb up either some rocks or some kind of wreckage to the other side.  Once on the other side, I believe you just follow the building around until you get to the pool of water and the two dead bodies.  Thats pretty basic directions but like I said its been a while since I ventured to that area.  And yes you can reach the site on the Playstation 3 version. TheUsedVersion 10:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll remove the info that you can't, then. I added a map with arrows now. Mirar 10:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually you can run across the piece of metal tower in the water, then jump off to the other side, so no need to enter the water at all. This was the PC version though, but I can't see why it should be different.


 * that's exactly how i got there, and i am playing on PS3. ~kev~

Assertions of what Isabella believed
"Circumstantial evidence based on Isabella's logs seems to indicate that she was entirely unaware of the difference between normal Ghouls and their savage, feral counterparts -mistakenly believing all Ghouls to be non-sentient humanoids-"

How can you possibly assert that? There is no evidence of what she believed in that regard, (not even circumstantial), only that she was studying a group of feral ghouls. She doesn't explicitly state that in her notes, but why would she, since she knows what she is studying. If anything, since she was so passionate about the subject she may well have known the difference, after all ghouls had been around since the war. Maybe she wondered why some ghouls were feral, and some weren't, and that feral ghouls could be "saved" if a way could be found to communicate with them.

Um, dude.....did you actually READ her logs??

She was ENTIRELY unable to tell the difference between the Glowing One and "regular" Ghouls -one of which befriended her, IF you'll remember, IF you read her Logs -and she furthermore categorized them all in the tone of her writings, as 'just another animal.' When one uses terms like "habitats" and "Alpha Male" and "Group," one clearly doesn't think of the object of study as human, even if on a subconscious level.

How much MORE circumstantial evidence do you need that the woman did NOT know what she was talking, about, when she apparently didn't even know what they ate (or that they do)??

When you can tell me of a SINGLE instance of a peaceful Feral Ghoul, let me know where you find it; I've not seen a single, 'tame' one to date.

Oh, one more thing: the sentence was DELIBERATELY constructed that way, and DELIBERATELY not stated as a certainty. Which means that it can logically stand on its own as valid conjecture (interesting to note that you jump on my case for Speculating, then turn right back around and do it yourself).

I'm replacing the removed entry at my earliest convenience.Thanos777 18:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that not all Glowing Ones are feral (well, all the ones in FO3 are, but previous Fallout games definitely had sentient Glowing Ones). Ausir 19:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * since isabella proud is not mentioned in previous fallout games, it seems safe to assume that her presence in the capitol wasteland means that she views all glowing ones as feral, just like the rest of the capital wasteland inhabitants. however, i'd like to point out that the location of her campsite is on the edge of the map... with an exit to the capitol wastes and an exit to a world we can only imagine... and the entrance to the campsite from the capital wastes is not much easier to get into than the entrance from the unknown wasteland beyond the borders of the capitol wastes' map. prequels are all the rage these days... perhaps she is exploring from a land that is familiar with both feral glowing ones and friendly glowing ones, and there is some back story about her, that we have yet to learn, which describes the events of her life that led her to be ignorant of the difference between friendly and feral ghouls. since the difference between them seems abundantly clear to everyone else, whether they glow or not, there must be a back story... one that we have not yet heard... somewhere... in the future... eer, the past... whatever.
 * i know... it sounds crazy, but hear me out...
 * never mind the fact that her husband jason was concerned for her safety when she would sleep at the site... as if there were some reason to fear these ghouls...
 * alright, i admit it, i agree with Thanos777; she knew the difference between friendlies and ferals.
 * ~kev~
 * I don't see any evidence for these claims either. She does know the difference between Glowing Ones and regular ghouls - she specifically states that Samuel seems to be the alpha male because he's a Glowing One. Categorising them as animals seems a little dispassionate but even normal Ghouls don't have much respect or hope for Ferals - even a Ghoul bigot like Roy Phillips seems to have no problem with you killing them to reach his base in the Metro Tunnels and is then perfectly happy to use them as attack dogs to take over Tenpenny Tower.


 * And while the player never comes across any non-hostile Feral Ghouls in the course of the game, the player is never given the opportunity to approach slowly and over time like these researchers were attempting. And, even then, they wound up dead, so calling them "peaceful" is a bit of a stretch.
 * this is not true. when you have the ghoul mask, all ferals become non-violent. you can walk right up in their face for a close-up look without agitating them. once, i took my ghoul mask off, not realizing it was broken, and couldn't put it back on. so far i have found no way to repair it, but i stopped searching because i found that ghouls were no longer violent to me irregardless of the mask. in these instances, they will only become hostile if they feel threatened or recognize you for what you are (a human), which can be as easy as standing too close to them for too long. it is conceivable that, regardless of possessing a ghoul mask, isabella and jason could have observed them in close proximity for days with out being attacked. if the ghouls hunt by smell (as Jhonteay pointed out below under "further proof"), and they were wearing sealed radiation suits (covered with radiation, no less), it's not unreasonable to accept that the ferals didn't immediately respond to them as a potential threat. perhaps this set of conditions led her to believe that she could continue to safely make contact with them, perhaps hoping to turn them friendly.
 * ~kev~
 * Finally, while the sentence does make it clear that the idea of her being unable to distinguish feral and normal ghouls is conjecture, it does definitively state that evidence exists that points towards it. And, as far as I can see, no such evidence does exist, making the sentence... well, wrong. Withad 16:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Why would Roy Philips be a bigot to Ghouls if he is one? Do you mean just the feral ones, or all Ghouls, in general? JimmyBassatti 12:35, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

"so far i have found no way to repair it, but i stopped searching because i found that ghouls were no longer violent to me irregardless of the mask." Hey, Kev, try using real words. Irregardless isn't one of them.

Missing Corpse bug.
Why is this a bug? Isn't is possible that in some instances she is just not around, the same way that some camps have scavengers sometimes and at other times don't. I say this because on my first play through the bodies were there, and so were a number of ghouls frolicking in the water, (had the ghoul mask at that stage). On my second play through, there were no ghouls, and no bodies. Samuel did appear after I read the computer notes, but the bodies aren't needed for the scene to work either way, (since there is nothing on them IIRC).

Further Proof.
Think it sugessted somewere in the main ghoul article that feral ghouls hunted mostly of smell the following extract from Isabella's logs would seem to confirm that fact "She grasped my arm, but instead of attacking, she appeared to sniff my arm where some of the scavenged resin I've been using to irradiate the basins had spilled on my suit." dont be mad with me if this has already been proved and i have just repeated it:)Jhonteay 19:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)