User talk:Troper of the Wastelands

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-- GhostAvatar (Talk) 03:49, July 27, 2011

I'm sorry guys
I realize that my behavior has been reprehensible, annoying, useless, and potentially hurtful, and I would like to be able to apologize and make amends to those that I have harmed. I want to be able to make up for this indecent, and undo any damage I have done; Ghost, I let you down even though I hardly know you, Tagaziel, I don't even know what was going through my head when I wrote that nonsensical spam on your talk page. I've only been a thorn in people's sides since I got here, but I hope you'll be able to give me a second chance. I don't know how to contact an admin when everything but my chat page is blocked, but if had realized I could have here earlier, I would have. I'm not going to give anyone a hard time like this again, I'm sorry I was stupid enough to do this in the first place. (Troper of the Wastelands 02:00, August 9, 2011 (UTC))

time check (Troper of the Wastelands 19:09, August 10, 2011 (UTC))

Weapon references
If J.E. Sawyer confirmed it, you need to put a reference on the page like the other weapon pages, otherwise it will get removed. 9mm pistol.png 16:40, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't think there's a template available, you're better off opening another tab or window and find another page with a confirmed reference (like say the Automatic rifle) and hit edit on there, then just copy the coding manually onto the Marksman Carbine page. Just be sure to use the right link in the reference link. Also, there's another References section further down the page for the links to appear in. UserGreatMara.png pistol.png 16:48, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good attempt, but you forgot to close the reference link (after the URL code) with the part, when that happens it will try to accept everything from the onward as the citation. If something is wrong with a reference link there will be red text at the bottom of the page saying something along the lines of reference error. UserGreatMara.png pistol.png 17:10, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed it already, so feel free to chill. :P UserGreatMara.png pistol.png 17:15, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Assassin suitable content.
Hi Troper. Just a note to let you know I undid your edit on the Assassin suit page. You gave no reason on the page, but I can see you've got some things going on with other editors about this. Here's my reason for the revert: I can see why you did it, but although the info could be considered speculation or conjecture it is not "wrong", and can be inferred from facts presented in the game. There has to be a point on this wiki where pages go beyond simply copying information from the GECK, and present things in a more interesting way. It's a fine line, but simply deleting content without giving a reason doesn't really help anyone. Please give reasons when you make an edit, as it saves everyone's time. All the best, --FourWayDiablo 14:15, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Update. My points still stand, but having read through the Talk page I throw my hands up. Delete the section again if you want. This is not a Brain Surgery Wiki (I really hope that's not an actual thing), and life is too short. I care about the integrity of the information, but you'd have to extirpate info from almost every page to avoid all fan enthusiasm for the game. All the best, --FourWayDiablo 14:40, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Troper. In response to your edit war message. You've obviously given this a lot of thought, and it's clear that you are a fan of the games. I do not come here to make enemies, and I'm sure you're tired of fighting your corner. A couple of things:
 * Thing the first: Assume good faith (from me, at least). I am not interested in edit wars (see second thing). As I said, I saw information removed from the page with no reason given. I don't check the Talk pages every time I edit unless directed there by a note, as they have often turned into mini-fora. So I restate a point you overlooked in your response: Please give reasons when you make an edit. You could have been a troll for all I knew.
 * Thing the second: You are right. The info does not belong on the page until confirmed. Since joining this community I've tried to make pages clear and readable to those searching for information. In this instance I should have been more objective. I don't know you (or Tagaziel for that matter), but if you consider this a victory of some kind then I may have been wasting my time typing this. Maybe a little defensive, but I've been on the internet before. And life is too short ^_^. I'll assume good faith that we're both trying to improve the wiki.

All the best,--FourWayDiablo 15:38, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

COOKIES!!!
lol, nice cookies man! (can u e-mail me some pls?).(Nemerian 20:39, August 16, 2011 (UTC))

Ya sure man, cumin' right up.(Nemerian 20:53, August 16, 2011 (UTC))

Edit Flame war
If there was a reason to rebel over other admins I would certainly join in, as for now however, I do not see one. My advise, leave for a bit. Just leave and try to see it that you took things too far. Then come back and just edit pages without trying to bother anyone. I can assure you that the speculation problem will be personally dealt with by me. Unfortunately, if you continue to do what you are doing, I will be forced to drop it and you will probably be banned for some time. Good luck. --Living Lifeless 9 22:40, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

How to win friends and influence people. ^_^
Well well, you're certainly making yourself the life and soul of the party! I honestly think you need to cool your jets over this whole thing, for reasons I shall indentify thusly:
 * Please bear in mind that you are arguing on the internet. There's an adage about this, but I don't remember it... -_-
 * Yes, I am with you regarding the assassin suit kerfuffle, but I must stress that I'm not interested in "bringing anyone down" or smashing the system. Some people have trouble accepting differing opinions, clearly, or difficulty interacting with other human beings (I may regrettably have risen to the bait on the talk page). Ego gets involved, you have an escalation of commitment, and suddenly everyone is entrenched. Perspective: We are arguing about a video game, with strangers.
 * The assassin suit matter will be settled (hopefully along wiki guidelines), by which time we will have moved on to arguing about Ulysses' bootlaces (however, if Lonesome Road has a MK3 stealth suit, then I officially give up).
 * You seem to have a lot of enthusiasm for Fallout. It would be a shame to waste it with a ban. Just move on and improve some pages.

The preceding trite bullshit was brought to you by some guy on the internet, and the letter Q.

All the best, --FourWayDiablo 01:14, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re : The blog confession you said you wished to make
I don't think anyone is "filtering" your blogs as you put it. I found found them right away, so I know they were not deleted for sure. I also see that your blogs have gotten some replies, so of course others must see them aswell.

I hope this knowledge helps put your mind at ease. SaintPain → That was broke a'fore I got here! 13:27, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's nothing worry about. Blog post often take time and have caching issues, so they don't show up immediately after you post them. They usually show up in your blog 2-4 hours after you originally posted them. --Kastera (talk) 16:51, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Assassin suit
Hello my friend ;)

Please don't remove the background section of the assassin suit, they are numerous indices in Dead Money and Old World Blues, both in-game and in the add-on files, which indicate that the assassin suit is the first prototype of a stealth suit developed in the Big MT. Itachou [~talk~] 01:20, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw your message that you have remove on my talk page and I didn't understand what you said before I saw the assassin suit talk page. My goal is to improve The Vault as best I can, no creates a conflict with anyone (which I don't see the sense). It's not because I was not directly in the flame war that I'm not concerned about that.


 * I agree with Mikael and Kastera about the assassin suit, the indices lead inexorably to the same conclusion. Itachou [~talk~] 13:02, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

i also agree if admins ask you to stop you stop (Michael haze 03:45, August 21, 2011 (UTC))

You don't write, you don't call...
Got no response to my last message to you, which is kinda disappointing considering all the typing I did (I used full stops, and everything). Perhaps my tone was inappropriate, or you misinterpreted. To clarify, none of my "sage" observations about entrenchment and such were directed at you, it was just musings about my own previous encounters on various fora in an attempt to calm things down.

However, after my first ever encounter with the charming Tagaziel I'm starting to see why you are feeling embittered and angry. If I need to say anything more about him I'll say it to him, so let's leave that there.

I've ended up back on the assassin suit page, but there's a logic drought and it's all gone a bit circular. I don't come here for the bickering, so I'm sticking to the facts. Let's see how well that works out.

Anyway, try not to get too worked up about this stuff. All the best, --FourWayDiablo 01:09, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Contacted Sawyer, it is up to devs to confirm or deny. I want this to all be dealt with, feels like my time is wasting away with this instead of with true edits to be made on pages, edits that don't contain the amount of speculation that is located on the Assassin suit page... --Living Lifeless 9 01:34, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving the Vault
This is it, the moment you've all been waiting for, I'm turning away from the vault for four months starting Tuesday of next week. So far I've single-handedly started a flame war, and edit war that so far no-one has seen my actual intentions behind (everyone thinks I just think Tagaziel's hypothesis is wrong, but I'm really just trying to enforce an anti-speculation rule, all I meant was to keep people from posting slightly far fetched things without proper confirmation from proper sources, I personally thought "Assassin Suit!" as soon as I saw the first old world blues screen shot of this wiki's article for it). I have called it quits, I promised to personally write a reference citation if the whole bit about a game file suggesting Christine's possession of the assassin suit, The file title was provided, and I went to the Chat page for advice on how your supposed to write them. I was greeted by EB863 whoever typing "For Fucks Sake!" and repeated cries of "just pretend he doesn't exist". I guess you guys really are all the same, you won't respond to a comment unless it insults you, well "fuck you" I was just trying to ask you for advice on how to do something for YOU, so that You wouldn't have to! This is when even when I'm in concurrence with you people, you all find some way to instantly kick me in the balls. (Troper of the Wastelands 04:34, August 21, 2011 (UTC))


 * So what if you were right in that it's speculation and conjecture? If it can be reasonably inferred, there's no problem illustrating that it's an inferred reference only and move on. You blew things WAY out of proportion and were a right old ass about it. And you complained about political correctness... ~Anon