Forum:Some small change suggestions

Hi everyone, it's me Guardian, and I have a few suggestions for changes again. I know I do this on occasion, and it seems to drum up some nice momentum for driving things forward, so I have a few suggestions which I'd like to plot out and get some ideas and discussion on.

Item 1
The background and banner have been waiting just a tad too long to be decided, and the current one is too Fallout 3 to be honest, and this is a problem in my eyes for two reasons. It is the most controversial of the entire series, which is not in a good way, which annoys some people that it is the theme we are following, especially seen as many of us are more dedicated to enjoy Fallout 3 as anything but a spin-off. Secondly, it is an issue because it is not the most current game.

Therefore, in the interest of offering solutions as well as problems, I'd like to suggest that we start a series of votes, for say three days at a time to eliminate the banners and backgrounds that we do not like, and then have a discussion to decide them after we have a few remaining. We really need to start doing something about this now.

Item 2
Small suggestion, but something I think might be good if we got something with the appropriate knowledge to look into. Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki (and indeed the best fan-produced wiki going) has something which I think looks very sleak, and would be well fitted to any wiki, but in my opinion, especially ours. It can be found here.

'What am I looking for on this page' you ask? They have borderless contents boxes, which are in my opinion wonderful as I have always found that box very, very untidy.

Item 3
I think it is about time that we standardised the order of the page sections. This is as, although the headers are definitely set, there is a major issue with the bottom sections. There is too much variation in the pages as to whether or not gallery is above or below appearances, where notes and bugs should appear and any combination of these. Therefore, I would like to get a page added to the guidelines whereby it is set out once and for all the order in which the sections should come.

Thank you all for your time. -- GOTW '''User 14:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
20:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Agreed
 * 2) When you say content boxes, I assume you mean the infobox?
 * 3) We already have that part laid out in the guidelines, in fact my bot re-orders the section (as long as they are named correctly or close to) into the right order. Problem is, a lot of the older pages pre-date when the layout guide lines where set down and have not been touched in a while. This results in different section headers and wrong orders i.e. glitches section instead of bugs, trivia instead of behind the scenes and so on. The order can be found here The Vault:Article layout guideline.
 * No, I mean content boxes. The ones where it says the names of the section headers. And yes, I know about that section, but it is incomplete. If I were doing appearances for example, where would that go? (Also, stopped a virus when I went to edit this, so if someone could look into that?) -- GOTW '''User 21:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Now I see what you mean. I don't like it, it dose not stand enough, especially for an essentially part of the pages navigation. As for the appearances section, that's only required for certain pages, like locations and characters. Other pages should not have those sections at all (if they do, it should be removed - something else my bot does) i.e. items, quests, etc. Hence why they reside in the layout guidlines for those types of pages and not the general layout guidelines, see The Vault:Article layout guideline/Character article for an example. What we really need is more layout guidlines for certain page types, like robots and computers, factions, add-ons etc. User avatar tag.gifUser Avatar talk.png 21:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * God! Guardian, for just a moment I thought you want us to kill all the Jedi. :)
 * Agreed. Totally.
 * Can't say yes or no. Have to see it here on the Vault. It's the matter of style. Star Wars is about (let's say) future and everything light and transparent fits its overall aesthetics, Fallout is about retro-future, so I'd prefer more solid style here. But still, I have to see it.
 * Hm... Can bot resort sections? And I agree that we need more guidelines.
 * veryblackraven 22:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes it can, example. Bots are only limited by the parameters the user adds in to the code. At the moment my bot is set up to re-order the sections as laid in the guidelines and also add missing required section (example). However, none standard section are missed (as are mis-spelled section), due to mainly me not knowing what to code for until I come across them and add the parameter. Basically, a bot can do anything. All it needs is to be coded to do it. 23:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A rotary banner would be a nice thing. I whipped up a few quick proposals. Didn't test them yet:

Tagaziel 19:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I vote for the rotery banner, that way all the various Fallout games can be addressed equaly.--Ant2242 20:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I think a a good rotation would be more pleasing then looking at the same FO3 everyday. Shadowrunner(stuff) 05:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * A rotary banner sounds interesting. But can we have different banners for different portals? It would be nice to have FNV-themed banners on FNV portal, FO2-themed - on FO2 portal, etc. Main page can still rotate them all. veryblackraven 09:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever happened to this? We really need to keep on top of things and make these kinds of changes, or this place will wither to within an inch of its life, mark my words. I know I've been gone for a while, but I at least thought the background would have been solved. Porter, if you read this, or Ghost (though that's less likely as you have 'disappeared' (like a ghost) according to most people I've talked to) I'd ask that one of you take charge and make the decision. There aren't enough of us anymore to stick to the same bureaucracy and democracy. I personally think it would be best for one of our BCs to start making decisions to revive this place, if necessary following our advice and listening to genuine complaints, but we need to move forward with more speed and they're aren't enough of us to do that the way we have in the past. If the BCs aren't up for it or just can't, then I move that Kastera be given that power as there is no-one who is as active as him that I would trust more. Just an idea, but this place needs to move forward. -- GOTW '''User 17:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)