Forum:Well why not add this anyone support socialism

well there was communism and a democracy one so i thought i would add this one, Socialism.

The other 2 are feeled with hate feeled "im superior to all tha dont think my way" speeches and thats just stuped, we all know one is no beter then another and there is no good or bad one. Hell we all know that good and bad is only determined by what is in power and to swich the meaning of whats good and bad all you got to do it tip the balance of power. with that being said im hope this one douse not do the same thing (it probly will). ok so whos a Socialist? come on dont be shyMrDot01 06:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC) Bloody Socialist.

"Mark my words comrade, one day things will change. We will take the fight to their land, to their people, to their blood!" - Sgt. Reznov Deathclawpoop 17:41, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Uhh... Actually good and bad have standards... People just pump you full of that ambiguous shades-of-gray bullshit to make you an easily controlled zombie bitch. But yeah... Socialism and communism are pretty much the same thing. Don't even think about saying communism involves a dictator, because it's not supposed to. Read Marx, Read Kropotkin, THEN we can talk. Nuka Kulcha 15:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

I posted this on the democracy page a while back: "Democracy is obviously the better system. Representative Democracy, anyway, as true democracy would be pretty much impossible with the sheer number of people in most countries. Its a better system because its a realistic system. True communism (everything belongs to everyone and all work is shared equally by everybody) is unrealistic and will never exist because there will always be haves and have nots and people trying to divert their share of work to other people. Aside from Metalfrenchtoast's example of Linux, communism has failed everywhere it has been attempted. The Soviet Union collapsed and China is a totalitarian state with a mask. Democracy, on the other hand, has many examples of places where it has succeeded (virtually the rest of the world). Why this is even being discussed is beyond me." Since communism and socialism are pretty much the same, as Metal said, I count this as an argument against both. I have yet to see an intelligent counter-arguement. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 17:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Uhh.... actually u seem to misuderstand what i said, i never said good and bad had no standards i just said that peoples ideas of good and bad are based on what thay were teached, and so the ones teaching are the ones in power. i also want to know what made you think that i was pumped full of this idae of a gray side every thin i said are thing i came to on my own. i dont know why im even talking to you becouse you seem to be pumped with the whole the world is black and white and there is a god and bad. I never said that communism had a dictator im not a dum ass i know its not supposed to have one. im glad you want to post your OPINION and all. now Knight Captain Ski communism and socialism are not the same thay may be simerler but not the same and there is nothing rong about democracy at all... well i geuss i mean to say that it works not that there is nothing rong. im jst a big anti capitalism so if you 2 were think this was like the other to IE. a bunch of im right and everything ells is rong hate mongering speeches, then you are rong this is just so people can state your view that is to say im not happy with Metal trying to pic fights by calling people "zombie bitches". o i almost forgot Knight all you told be is that democracy works not that it is right and good, you see fraiming some one for what you did works thats ot to say its right ( note i dont mean to say that fraiming some one works all the time im just saying when it works). so plz be civil MrDot01 19:29, June 10, 2010(UTC)

What was uncivil about what I said? And what could possibly be wrong about democracy? The majority of the people elect leaders who support the majority of the people's values. The elected leaders then put policies that are favorable to those they were elected by into action. Sounds just about perfect to me. Socialism and communism both need things that are pretty unrealistic to work. "Let's all hold hands and sing 'Kumbya' and everything belongs to everyone and we all share work equally," is unrealistic. True communism and socialism are damn near impossible and will more than likely never happen. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 00:36, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

i was just saying keep it civil i dod not say u were not civil, i was mainly talking about metal. i geuss the bad things it that Democracy suports capitalism, and a true Democracy has yet to be made to just so you know. another thing you have proven that you know little about what socialism is :). just for the recored your talking about the idea of a perfect democracy and that would be good, that is to say that the idea of a perfict socialism and ccommunism sound good to. But im afrade that the idea is almost never real MrDot01 00:49, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

The only reason true democracy is impossible is because of the sheer number of people involved. The democracy I was talking about was representarive democracy. That has many examples of being proven as a workable system. And whats wrong with capitalism? The United States is a representative democracy and has an economy based on capitalism and its the most powerful country in the world. Obviously both work and are efficient systems. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 01:01, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

yes thay work that does not make them right, and capitalism suppors a most poor and few GRATE rich. capitalism is evil (in my eyes) and just for the recored the reson there as never been a true socialism was becouse of the sheer number of people involved, and socialism was working befor it was replaced becouse of a dictater ( note it had no grate fail, it was just over taken). I did know what type of democracy you were talking about (im not a dum ass). o this my get you upset (i dont know why) but democracy and capitalism only really work for the people that have it all :) MrDot01 03:27, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

How does does democracy only work for "the people that have it all"? Everyone has an equal right to vote. Personal wealth has no say. And what about capitalism? Capitalism rewards people and businesses who cater to the interests of the public. Supply and demand. You sell something popular? You make more money. Whats so evil about that? Knight Captain Ski (radio) 03:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

i remimber my days in econ class to, that was last year hahahahah. capitalism does reward people and businesses but not for doing good, capitalism rewards thouse who have it and keep it by giveing more. Capitalism only works when most of the people have nothing and a small fuw have a lot. just so you know free market (wich is what you said for capitalism) is not the same a capitalism. well i dont know we are haveing this talk your not going to change your veiw becouse you think im rong and im not going to change my veiw becouse i think its well for lack of a beter word that wount get me blocked rong. hahahhahah who knows we are proble both rong and if so who gives a fuck we all must find our own truthes. have a nice day friend MrDot01 04:04, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's silly to present democracy as the opposite of socialism. Socialism can be just as democratic (if not more) as capitalism, just look at Scandinavian countries, and capitalism can easily be anti-democratic. Ausir(talk) 04:32, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I never said socialism was the opposite of democracy or capitalism. I'm mainly just trying to figure out what Dot finds so 'evil' about capitalism and democracy. I'm not as familiar with socialism as I am with communism but what I do know does not sound favorable. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 04:40, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

i never said democracy was evil, i said in my eyes capitalism is evil. socialism is not covered as much as communism in schools, all thay teach is how its like communism. think you Ausir that is almost what i was trying to say i just could not get the words right (brain fart). now plz just read the end of my last post and lets end it with that

Sorry, MrDot01, if I got a little heated there. I've been getting into a lot of stupid arguments about communism. I figured you equated communism with authoritarian governments. True, many authoritarian governments have called themselves communists, but it added up to little more than subjugation of the poor through propaganda and force to profit the powerful. I kind of look at it like, say, a chemical compound. There are specific definitions of the structure of chemical compounds. If a compound doesn't match a specific definition, it isn't really said compound. It's a different compound. There were small and briefly prosperous (clothes, guns, etc...) Anarchist communities during the Spanish civil war, but they lost (they didn't fail internally, they were killed), and nobody hears about it anymore. An ironic point, the largely socialist and anarchist (Far left) forces fighting the uprising of imperialism and fascism in Spain were called Republicans (The Second Spanish Republic). Also, just my opinion here, but Lenin completely bastardized what Marx had to say. On another note, look at Nietzsche, his sister and her fascist husband edited his writings while he was catatonic. A lot of pictures of him were actually taken while he was catatonic, to make it look like he was still writing. That's why a lot of stupid people today think he was a fascist (And a lot of stupid "fans" of his label themselves as such). Just as you say that those in power alter the meaning of good and bad, they also alter the meaning of lots of other words, too. Once again, MrDot01, sorry for over reacting. Don't wanna get all Grizzly on you. Nuka Kulcha 04:36, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Once Again,

You Bloody Socialist

"Mark my words comrade, one day things will change. We will take the fight to their land, to their people, to their blood!" Deathclawpoop 19:40, June 14, 2010 (UTC)