Forum:Missing base ids - BOS paladin/knights

hey folks!!!!!

i'm new here and just wanted to introduce myself before i actually get to the point.

congratz on such a nice wiki! been a fallout nut since the very first one, and rarely found another athmospheric masterpiece in video game history, and this site is just awesome for details, background and all. i've spent so much time on this site that i finally decided to join the fun, and maybe, as far as i can, contribute to all of this :)

...and i hope i do this right, turning to the respective talk page and the forums with my problems, questions and suggestions ;)

so, let me get to what concerned me about this article.

before the NPC overhaul project started, the kind of BOS paladin and knights found on patrols (and escorts to the water caravans with Broken Steel) had a similar amount of info, like the brotherhood outcasts and enclave soldiers.

but, the articles about the paladin and knight now lack the base ids.

i know that they were there before, back in 2009, and i really need the base ids for a personal text file which i use with the BAT console command, and plan to upload to (and i absolutely don't wanna advertise for this, but its the best resource for fallout 3 files i think) the fabulous nexus network anytime soon where others might benefit from it :).

i've been searching this wiki and the whole internet for hours, just to find a nice, complete list of all the base ids for all npcs in the game, not just the "named ones" you can currently find here, and i found this:



and this, on a chinese site:

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these two show the complete base id list of the original vanilla fallout3.esm afaik, although i'm not exactly sure about the first one since that is FOOK which is a modification.

now those would be the exact outcome if i had installed the GECK and looked for the base ids there myself

but:

i found out that both the enclave and outcast and the brotherhood base-ids for the random and respawnable soldiers (e.g. outcast patrols, enclave soldiers in general) displayed on the vault wiki are actually the "TEMPLATE" ones found on those lists, or the ones with the word "template" in it.

which is completely understandable, as the soldiers level up with the player, right?

now how do you distinguish between that big lot of "template soldiers" and the right ones, the ones which in this wiki, come down to 9, when taking the enclave soldier for example Enclave_soldier_%28Fallout_3%29 ???

thanks for the help in advance!!!!! --The Shocker 19:16, December 13, 2010 (UTC)