Forum:Enclave High Command?

Anyone know where the "Enclave High Command" is mentioned in the game? It was added to the Enclave article recently under the "Notable Enclave members" heading, but I don't recall having heard of it. It may be referenced only in Broken Steel, can someone confirm the specifics (who or what says it and where, etc.)? I'm just curious about the whole thing, maybe the Enclave isn't as beaten as we think; after all, someone has to be the bad guys in the inevitable Fallout 4, right? Then again, if the EHC is mentioned before Broken Steel, it could simply be referring to Autumn and Eden. Anyway, details on this would be appreciated. -- Commdor /{Talk} 20:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The High Command is mentioned here: Sector 1 Artillery Note. And I very much hope the Enclave doesn't survive Broken Steel. And if they do, I hope even more that they won't be the main villain in another game. Two games with the same villainous organization is already one game too many. The plots of Fallout, Van Buren and Fallout Tactics did just fine without them. Ausir 22:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The Enclave are most likely going to stay with us for a while. When the bombs went off, they were the shadow of the U.S. government. Not only did they survive the nuclear apocalypse, they had knowledge and access to multiple sources of advanced technology. Considering their secrecy during and after the war, we don't know the extent of how high their command actually goes. I highly doubt that the true masterminds behind the Enclave have been seen. When in speaking with Eden and also noticing that Autumn had more power than Eden, I couldn't believe that this is the Enclave's Leader. If you think about it, who put Eden in charge? Who made Eden? Clearly Autumn was more or less the overseer of the operation in the Capitol Wasteland, but it was clear he was not the leader of the Enclave. In regards to Enclave High Command, I'm pretty sure high command is the Crawler simply because anyone that had greater authority than the people in the crawler should have nothing to do with artillery strikes. I think that the shadow of the former U.S. government would not expose their true leaders. During the war, it was clear that people within the Enclave had much more power than the president. Shouldn't we assume that the presidents they pick are more or less figure heads for factions like the botherhood to target while the real masterminds can watch from a distance.Kwayzar 23:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, for me it's pretty clear that all surviving Enclave forces relocated to the Capital Wasteland. Autumn is the leader of the Enclave's military, while Eden was the leader of the Enclave. Ausir 23:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite right. And since the canonical ending most certain is the good one, the Enclave is now obliterated from the Fallout lore. If they do appear in New Vegas, I will become an even angrier Norwegian... AngryNorwegianDude 10:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the good ending, most members of the brotherhood don't think the enclave is gone even after WDW -DragonJTSLeave me a message 11:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Autumn Casino! Only pure-strain Humans allowed! ... nah seriously, even if the Enclave survived Broken Steel, there is no possible way how they could come back full force in F4. 217.85.180.173 10:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Them coming back after FO2, FO3, and BS would just make them a cartoonish villain. Ausir 10:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup. Like that guy from Inspector Gadget... "Next time, Vault Dweller, next time!" AngryNorwegianDude 10:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually don't mind them coming back in a future game as a minor more worn out faction which isn't at the least as powerful or as major villain as in F2 and F3. I want Ceasars Legion from Van Buren in the next game. 81.234.140.17 18:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'll assume that if the EHC wasn't outside of the Mobile Base at the time, it was never seen and destroyed by the orbital strike, or consisted of higher-ups like the Armory Master and Enclave Sigma Leader. Maybe in Fallout 4 we'll find Enclave remnants in some shack (Enclave Emergency HQ), oblivious to the fact that they're the only ones left (reduced to some ridiculously small number, like 2 soldiers, a colonel, and a scientist) and yet still pushing out propaganda, running a radio station, and swearing they'll take back their old glory eventually. Then to "fund the war effort," you could buy new power armor from them, or pay for schematics; I just want new versions of power armor in Fallout 4. With the Enclave the only other significant source of the armor, then the Brotherhood needs to get on the ball in that department, since I don't see any new evil faction having the tech of the Enclave or better. -- Commdor /{Talk} 20:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL, i like that ideaLW556DCJ 22:57, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't think that New Vegas would have any Enclave in it, even if it took place before Fallout 3. My guess is that it would be more like a combination of New Reno and The Pitt. Crime to the extent of slavery but much more organized and less grimy. The Enclave are definitely not going to attempt to take over the capitol wasteland again. It just doesn't make sense to me how Eden was the leader of the Enclave. I assume that eden has been at Raven Rock before the Enclave in the west failed, so I assume that the Enclave may have forces all over the country. It is clear that their numbers are depleted after what the Lone Wander did. We still haven't found where they are making the power armor or where they are recruiting their soldiers. I personally don't care if the Enclave is still a major villain in FO4 but i would much prefer an unexpected enemy like surviving forces from another country trying to take over. I don't think that American's were the only ones to survive. I also think that Elder Lyons and Sentinel Lyons hinted at what we should expect in the future, more East Coast Super Mutants. Even though your character can tell Lyons about vault 87, the super mutants are still a persistent threat. We also haven't found out anything regarding their overall agenda, they may be stupid but they seem very organized. Maxson mentions that he believes that they are searching for something in the D.C. ruins. I don't think that our questions about the super mutants will be answered in FO3. "We are the future!'-Super Mutant Overlord Kwayzar 00:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the enclave is still ready for a assult and learn form there mistakes and are coming back for FO4. The Enclave have resorces no one has. they have a possiable navy, vaults , bunkers and canada to call there own. I hope for fallout 4 that you will be able to join any side you what especially the enclave there my fav side

It would be better if they came back as a small but commando like force, preserved in cyrogenic chambers and recruiting from any vaults. Aeoname CAME