Talk:Butch DeLoria/Archive 1

Anybody have Butch's quotes?--Thq95 05:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I just hired Butch so i'll try to put up his quotes as i hear them.Leea 23:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have an entire page dedicated to his dialogue, I'll throw some more up. And sorry about "Tunnel Snakes Rule!" getting removed, that wasn't my intention--a terrible copy/paste move on my part.
 * PS: Do we want ALL of his dialogue? 83 Lines and counting. -- MB83 15:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

There is still that "cannot jump" notice in every follower's description. Is this up to date? In my current (PC) version, however, they follow me pretty well down most drops, the least of which are on rocky terrain. 131.188.120.74 12:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Stats
Could we get someone with a PC version to volunteer to put up his stats like we have for Fawkes and Star Paladin Cross? I'd do it myself but I'm on PS3.76.103.182.3 10:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Grav
 * Done. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 11:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There's an external link at the Fallout 3 companions page that has all the stats for the companions. http://www.nma-fallout.com/content.php?page=fo3-npc --DarkJeff 11:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I have checked the stats after you hire him at level 20. They are different from the one posted on that page. I assume the stats on that page are his base stats w/o level scale. But feel free to verify, specially using a low level character. --Voidvector 15:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Could someone please shed some light on why butch leveling his science skill is a good idea? It's not like you can tell him to hack terminals for you... can he?
 * That's why he's a hairdresser, sorry butch, I mean barber.
 * Kidding, his science skill is useless to you. Most NPCs get 3 tag skills that max out eventually, clearly he didn't pick the right ones on his GOAT.
 * Maybe Bethseda was toying with the idea that companions would be able to hack terminals if asked? It would make the game a bit more like Fallout:Tactics in that regard, letting you put together a team instead of needing to be a Jack of All yourself.--206.72.84.130 14:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if that was true, the exam-copying Butch and 100 Science do not go well together. Lockpick, rather, but that is of no use as well. I guess it's just because everyone gets three tags, but he simply isn't good at anything but brawling. 131.188.120.74 12:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Equipment Effect Stacking Exploit
''EDIT: I wrote up a description on how to use this exploit on the Fallout 3 followers article. Hopefully it's clear. (not tested on Butch DeLoria) Dcruze 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC) --58.106.156.113 10:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)well..tunnel snakes are just the bunch of young boys just before becoming adults so yeah "show you a real tunnel snake" or "something to put in your mouth" would be just a reference of fu*king her, not that they actually love her.. those quotes made me laugh, really.

Useless?
So. I convinced the people to stay in the vault. And he appeared in Muddy whatever. But he won't talk to me. I wanted to make him my companion because dogmeat sucks ass and I think he's better than RL-3 since I'm level 20. And I need his unique knife too. But since he won't talk to me the only way I can get his blade is to kill him. Can I do anything to get him to talk or is he useless and I have to kill him.
 * Try pickpocketing Butch's knife but stick with RL-3 as a follower. His plasma gun and flamethrower are far more powerful than Butch's switchblade and 10mm pistol. He can also take more of a beating than Butch and I think he can carry more as well. 115.64.118.162 15:28, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. Butch is better.

Biased?
Is it just me, or is the article starting to appear biased. Because a lot of the information on there is more supportive of say, a hate group. I'm thinking it should represent Butch DeLoria, and not anyone's personal opinions on how much he sucks, or otherwise. All the articles should remain neutral, actually.

How can this be fixed without someone getting upset?

i dont think it can...but thats the thing with wikis...but yeah i vote it should be neutral... The biased people are retarded, Butch is really good, you just need to use him to notice it, most idiots just say he sucks because he has a 10mm without even getting him.

I almost didn't use him because everyone said he sucked, but I was roleplaying a character and he was the only follower who would make sense. So I got him but swore that if he died right away he stayed dead. I gotta say, he's a lot of fun to have around and he does well in fire fights if you watch his back. It does make me wonder how many people "tested him out" with the intent of making him look bad or didn't use him at all. Plus his comments always make me laugh. He's not terrific in a fight but he's not terrible either. Heck, he once did a "kill steal" on a Behemoth... and I was still low level and really needed that exp. Punched him in the face over the Behemoth incident, lol. Snakewyvern 06:41, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Broken Steel changes the followers so they're almost unkillable. If you're just trying Butch now, he's considerably more resiliant.

Whoops
I killed him on the vault because i though i was never going to see him again... one of my much wrong decisions in this game, i think ill need to play it again... anyway, if you kill him on the vault, will he appear for some kind of glitch? DrMGinius 20:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I killed Butch upon my return to Vault 101 in the "Trouble on the Homefront" quest, and a little while after when I was hanging around Rivet City, went into the Muddy Rudder, and I saw Butch's dead body in the bar the same way it looked when I killed him in Vault 101. I have no idea of why this is.

No not that i'm aware of i killed him on my first time through even with letting all out of the vault and going to muddy rudder he wont appear though, i suppose, if you have the PC version you could console him in?!?

More trouble than he's worth
In all fairness, I haven't yet tried to have just Butch as a follower. But, I did do the "Trouble on the Homefront" quest, got the Overseer to step down and let Amata open up the Vault. Then, I went to Rivet City (along with my companion, Charon) and talked to Butch. He'll join me (or let me join his gang), and I can swap equipment with him, but he won't follow me! (This is on the Xbox 360.) He seems like such a pain to recruit. You can't recruit him until after you've done about 3/4's of the main quest. You have to have Neutral karma. And he has only 2 usable tagged skills!--66.253.113.38 23:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Kinda like whats happening to me. I killed him on Trouble on the Homefront, so I created him using console in the Muddy Rudder. He follows me but wont let me trade equipment.

You can't recruit Fawkes until even later in the main quest, so what's your point?
 * Mr. Anon obviously didn't get the point here. Fawkes is practically a walking tank and instead of just having two or three useful skills his range is more diverse than a normal follower so he can be considered worth the wait. On the other hand Butch isn't, he has two usable tag skills, uses low-level default weaponry and one must maintain a neutral karma level to recruit him. If you also count the fact that you can only recruit him close to the end of the non-BS storyline it adds up to a very high maintenance follower, unless you like that sort of thing. Besides, if Fawkes was available near the start of the game it would be ridiculous, no? Actually to be frank, he's a ridiculous follower anyway. --Cartman! 18:21, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

EPIC HALP REQUIRED
Anyone know how to fix the glitch where he won't talk to you? I want him as a follower. (360) Hitting him then drawing your weapon and talking to him might help.

Older?
The article says he's older, but at your tenth birthday isn't he sitting at the table with the other kids, and he takes your sweet roll? That kid's not wearing a pipboy, so he has to be younger than you... Jdw 02:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

he is 100% younger.--85.0.87.169 16:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Butch IS wearing a pipboy at your party... Wally and Paul don't have pipboys (but Wally should have one as he is also older than you). So Butch is a little older than the Lone Wanderer. Snakewyvern 01:39, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wally aint older, thatll'e teach him to dis the party!

Better Butch?
We all know Butch sucks. We all know he REALLY sucks. I have him as a follower and he doesn't do crap damage. Any suggestions on how to amp him up? (Like what weapon I should give him WITHOUT mods!) I just gave him a deathclaw gauntlet and he is kinda good up close, but still blows when it comes to ranged. The pistol just isn't cutting it anymore. --Zyan 71.196.144.139 19:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)The fuck you talking about, butch is the 3rd best follower damage wise, and he's the best cause' of all the tactical advantages, like taking his ammo so he only uses melee, and he aims for the head every shot.
 * WIth broken steel i gave him hellfire armor and callahans magnum...he's a better folower now. [[File:Fo2 Bozar.png]]Time to die,bitch. 16:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no way to make Butch a decent follower. Nitpicker of the Wastes 16:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The GECK actually...setting his health to 5000000 and giving him the man opener makes him good. Butter 16:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * His dialogue alone makes him the best follower, Tunnel Snakes RULE! Actually, I gave him a Scoped .44 Magnum, Tesla Armor (Charon is using my Hellfire,) and as many stimpaks as he'll ever need. Plus I have every follower except Jericho and Clover, so battles usually end very quickly and in my favor. (360)


 * Just give him some power armor. He's a decent shot with a 10mm pistol and fires quickly which is all you need. If you are in need of a really strong follower then you're a noob.--86.146.1.175 22:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I gave him Colonel Autumn's 10mm Pistol and he chews through enemies with such speed and accuracy that he takes out Deathclaws before I can get off more than one shot with my Gauss Rifle. Then again, I am at Level 30 and he levels with the character, so... try giving him armour that increases his Small Guns skill. Nevertheless, I always personally opt for Clover because she's the perfect balance between a decent follower whilst not being too powerful to ruin your combat pleasure like Fawkes does. 115.64.118.162 15:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I gave Butch Colonel Autumn's 10mm Pistol fully repaired and ammo and i'm level 30 but he won't use it, instead he uses his regular 10mm Pistol. Can someone help.


 * Umm you gave him Colonel Autumn's 10mm Pistol? But yet you seem to be able to tell the difference between Colonel Autumn's 10mm Pistol and a normal 10mm Pistol, So I pose a question, are you sure hes using the normal one and if so how can you tell?


 * You can easily tell by checking his inventory and seeing if he has Colonel Autumn's 10mm Pistol equiped, if he does not and he is using a 10mm pistol than he's switched to his regular one. Also his 10mm ammo stops getting used. He's done this to me recently, not sure how to fix it though. Snakewyvern 02:38, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do need another follower since the rest of them were: A) Killed B) Pushed Off Cliff C) Horribleness at being a pack mule (points at Sticky). But I'd use Butch as some moral raiser and a pack mule. Sucks for the rest of my followers... they made it so easy to switch player housing... :c AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke? 11:21, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Muddy Rudder
I never realised i could have him follow me in the beginning and i just kinda ran out of the vault not helping anyone and killing a guard for his gear. i never saw him during trouble on the home front and he's not at the Muddy Rudder. that brings me to the point of this, since according to the article he hould be there even if he died, where the hell is he? is the glitch not a gurantee? does it not work on 360? is he only there at certain times of day? wtf?! (Maverick21 06:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC))

Pungent Smell of Cheese!
I don't know if anybody else realized this, but there is a quote from Butch "Cheese it!" when one reverse-pickpocket a live grenade/mine onto him. It is extremely funny when he is sitting on a counter stool and he shouts "Cheese it!" and dies in front of Belle. It looks like he had an explosive fart and apparently it was fatal. Belle won't be hostile to the player if she was not harmed from the pungent blast. It adds to the fun if she says after Butch dies, "Better him than me," coldly. I have a PS3 version.

tagged science skill?
What can butch do with a tagged science skill, hack computers for you or is it just completly useless?

hes skilled in the science of barbering the hell out of your hair. my hair never felt the same again....and not in a good way. <:'(-The Fire Monkey 11:28, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

unlimited 10mm ammo?
Does he use 10mm ammo for weapons other than his pistol? (ie if I gave him STMUSMG or the Backwater Rifle would he use up 10mm rounds) 68.192.9.90 02:59, October 24, 2009 (UTC) Yes they will use up 10mm ammo, his default weapon only needs one though.

OK then, back to the Ammo Press... 68.192.9.90 04:43, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

unconfirmed bugs
Please confirm these with more than 2 editors and please note which platform these occurred on before adding. Thanks.


 * Even if the player has killed Butch in Vault 101 following Trouble on the Homefront he will still end up at the Muddy Rudder in Rivet City.
 * If you end the quest Trouble on the Homefront by making the rebels stay in the Vault, Butch will appear in the Muddy Rudder, but when you talk to him, he will not respond.
 * Also, If you help the vault and Amata becomes the new Overseer in the quest Trouble on the Homefront then kill the original Overseer afterwards, Butch will appear in the Muddy Rudder but again, he will not respond when spoken to.

--Kingclyde 06:43, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

How did he even make it to rivet city.
One thing I was wondering when doing my latest playthrough... how did butch even make it to rivet city with just a knife and a 10mm pistol. He must be hiding a hell of a set of combat armour under his jacket. --DragonJTSLeave me a message 07:14, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Problem with the 100% Power Fist
After I decided to get Butch as a companion I went to Paradise Falls and got the 100% Power Fist so he could use it as soon as I recruited him. I did "Trouble on the Homefront" (Amata became Overseer) and met up with him at the Muddy Rudder, recruited him took his Toothpick and gave him the Power Fist and had him switch to melee. He didn't equip it though, he just used his "nonplayer" switchblade. I tried swaping items with him several times to try and fix it but it didn't work. I even resorted to shooting his switchblade in a vain attempt to damage it somehow... needless to say, it didn't work. Then I gave him my beloved Deathclaw Gauntlet, he equiped it immediatly even though it was only at 75% CND. Does he just really like to stab people or something? This isn't really a big problem, he kicks ass with the Deathclaw Gauntlet... but it just looks wrong to see a guy wearing high-tech Hellfire armor and using a weapon that used to be an animal's hand. Gonna try to get him to use the Fisto! when I repair it enough... Has this happened to any of you guys? If so, any way to fix it? Snakewyvern 01:02, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

NO DIALOG?!
After i had completed trouble on the homefront,and went to the muddy rudder he had no dialogue. at this point i thought it was some sort of bug.

Base ID??? Young Butch
This article does not say young 10 year old butch's base id. What is the base id for young 10 year old butch during the birthday party? I need to know!!!

EDIT: Nevermind! I found out!!!! 300ea