Forum:In-Game Weapons and Real World References

Now I'm relatively sure that this topic has been debated to death and beyond, and I'm also relatively sure that this has been brought up at least once, but in light of something I came across in the Bethesda Forums, I'm relatively sure we should mention real-world firearm references for the in-game weapons listed in the link below:

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1189533-what-does-this-machine-look-like-in-real-life/page__st__20__p__17681768#entry17681768

Mind that this information comes directly from Sawyer, so there is no doubt about the viability of the information: he directly states the real-world weapon references for those in-game weapons. While I'm not saying that we should change the weapon pages to fit the firearm that was used for reference (that would be against what Sawyer is saying in that forum post in the first place), I'm of the opinion we should at least mention that those weapons did have real-world weapon references in their trivia sections.

--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 23:45, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Games often use weapons inspired by or based on real-life ones, while frequently labeling them with fake or generic names to avoid legal issues. Personally, I agree that "behind the scenes" or "notes" style mentions would be both appropriate and of interest to some players, especially when they can be supported by reliable sources. HunterZ_tiny.png(talk) 19:34, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The question is, is he saying that these weapons are based of those weapons. Or in fact that these weapons just don't exist in the game. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 19:47, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I read the statement "our weapons must, for technical reasons, occasionally differ functionally from the weapons upon which they are based" as a near-direct statement that the weapons are inspired by actual, real-life ones. My interpretation of the context of the statement was that:
 * There are various technical reasons why the in-game weapons deviate from the real ones on which they are based.
 * They therefore decided to give the weapons more generic and/or utilitarian names to avoid nitpicking by fans of the differences between in-game weapons and the corresponding real ones.
 * HunterZ_tiny.png(talk) 21:55, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd say he does clearly state there which weapons the in-game ones were based on, even if loosely. Ausir(talk) 00:14, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't understand the obsession behind the people who feel the absolute NEED to go OMG, THIS GUN IS A SUCH AND SUCH 1911 MCAWESOMESAUCE PISTOL MADE AT 296TH ST IN MOSCOW ON THE 13TH OF MAY IN THE SNOW AT 11PM. It's silly. Whether or not the developers confirm the inspiration for the weapon, it seems kind of stupid to have some pages with "behind the scenes J.E said this gun is such and such" and the other pages have nothing because the word of god hasn't spoken where it was based off yet. It needs to be either 100% every gun has a behind the scenes (which will lead to gun nuts edit warring back and forth over what EXACT model gun it is) or leaving it as is which is far easier. TotallyOriginalUsername 22:56, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Vault should contain all knowns. Just because we know there are known unknowns does not detract from the information we have, and we should reveal everything we know.   Agent c 23:48, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that if there is a weapon in either Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas that resembles a real-world weapon, then that info should be included with said weapon. I'm not saying a ton of info should be included, just a reference. for example: "This Machine is based on the real-life M1 Garand". Now that is as far as the info for that weapon, or any other weapon with real-world ties, should go. I can understand TotallyOriginalUsername's concerns. But at the same time I don't see the harm in including this kind of info. It's not detracting from the games in any way. The other side of it is that New Vegas has more guns with real-world similarities than FO3. And we all know that the world of Fallout starts sometime after WWII(see Fallout world page), so a lot of the weapons in New Vegas existed before WWII.--Ryker6106:15, June 1, 2011 (UTC)~11:11pm 5/31/2011
 * The biggest problem is that there is not general agreement as to which real-world gun the in-game gun most resembles. We started eliminating such notes after constant edit-warring and arguing.--Gothemasticator 04:25, June 5, 2011 (UTC)