Talk:Super mutant/Archive 2

Gears of War reference
Super Mutants from Fallout 3 could be a reference to the Locust from Gears of War here are some arguments:

1. Both live underground(Mutants in Vault and Locust in the caves) 2. They are main Antagonists in both games 3. Both capture humans 4. Both are fighting a more advanced enemy

And there are several more references

We should mention about this.


 * You know, you just redefined cluelessness. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/5/5c/Scribe.jpg/15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 20:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

...Super Mutants were part of the Fallout series before GoW even started production.  [Composite 4] (My Talk)

god stupid people like you make baby jesus cry XD but anyway that is a stupid referance

And the enclave are the main antagonists MowatMan 00:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Mutants are the main antagonists in Fallout, and they don't fight a "more advanced" enemy. The Brotherhood is only as technical as the mutants, never more than. Nitty Tok. 23:30, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

The locust are more likely inspired by the Super Mutants in previous Fallout games, but it's entirely possible that it's just a coincidence. --Muaka 10:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Buddhism is key!
Buddhism may be the key to surviving transformation.
 * For instance,

Most importanty, Fawkes quote that the pain during tanformation is what causes the loss of humanity in subjects. Combined with the fact that Buddhim teachings are based on conquering pain, this strongly suggests Buddhism may be a key to surviving trnasformation. --TheFrogger 23:45, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Uncle Leos quote on how 'he wishes to give you the moon', a refrence to a Buddhist koan.
 * Fawkes' Zen quotes like 'There is safety in mindfullness' and 'Be aware of the present moment'
 * Uh, no. Did you ever play the original Fallouts? None of the supermutants were budding buddhists, quite to the contrary. It's baseless speculation. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:12, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Remember, we're talking about the Vault 87 Super Mutants here. Not the Master's creations, which were made with a different strain of the FEV. Therefore, the transformation is obviously different (Vault 87 Super Mutants are incapable of facial expression, and lack of what appears to be cybernetics) so his speculation has a foundation. Not all of the Master's mutants were as bright as Marcus. Take Harry: He's a big, dumb, violent brute. ALL of the Vault 87 mutants seem dumber than Marcus (and the Lieutenant) with two exceptions: Uncle Leo and Fawkes.--Hollow Points 19:08, September 27, 2009 (UTC)Hollow Points
 * It's still bullshit. How would Fawkes or Leo learn the basics of Buddhism? http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:59, September 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Pre-War Books. They have to have something useful in them. 68.192.9.90 22:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Fawkes talks about using a terminal to learn about the world and stuff. Maybe Vault-Tec had a few Buddhist files? Nitty 22:58, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * fawkes also wears a vault jumpsuit, suggesting near pre-war birth, so he likely learned Buddhism from growing up in the vault, maybe his parents were of east Asian decent? you cant discount it since mutation causes degeneration in the face and vocal cords, causing all supper mutants to sound and look alike--Katikar 14:48, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Eating
I know super mutants do eat, but do they need to eat to stay alive? In other words, can they die of starvation? 76.93.41.218 17:19, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

they probbaly can, after all their 'enhanched' humans, so they still retain that aspect. - RASICTalk 19:06, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Super Mutant Reminds Me Of Someone....
So when i encoutered my first super mutant, i notice the muscles, bald head, and voice. It reminded me of the 'Heavy' From the popular online game: Team Fortress 2. As well as the 'Tank' From Left 4 Dead. can someone confirm if im correct about the voice actor for the heavy being the voice actor for the super mutants. Ollyeng 19:52, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

146.151.42.246 21:20, March 8, 2010 (UTC) Awesome as that may be, I'm afraid not; Gary Schwartz is the voice actor for the Heavy in Team Fortress 2, but was not in any way involved in Fallout 3. As for Left 4 Dead, Schwartz did voice a bit part for an airport runway transmission, but he did not voice the Tank in that game.

East Coast/West Coast Super Mutants
Reading through the dossier, it seems that Super Mutant strains are clearly segregated, with the Core Region (West Coast) mutants being of gray complexion, more flexible facial features, and heightened intelligence over their modified East Coast variants. Yet, with the recent screenshots of Fallout: New Vegas (which can be found [|here], among many other sites), it appears that, while their skin is indeed gray, they seem to feature the same physique, facial structure, and even armaments of the East Coast Super Mutants; in fact, in one of the screenshots (specifically, the one featuring the Heavy Incinerator-like weapon), the three Super Mutants there are, in terms of clothing, weapons, and build/complexion, identical to those found in DC. Considering that Las Vegas is set firmly within the Core Region canon, is there less of a distinction between the two strains? Or does this foreshadow a contact and clash between the dual species? I realize these are unfinalized screens of a game currently in development, but even then, I find this an interesting point of speculation. Thoughts?
 * They probably just reskinned the FO3 model because of time constraints. Ausir(talk) 21:17, March 8, 2010 (UTC)