Talk:Sunset Sarsaparilla

mYou know its fictional soda when it causes dehydration. 98.240.210.20 05:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, real sodas do too. Kris (talk) 13:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Diet Sodas don't. They consist of water and aspartame. Neither of which dehydrate you. Soda sucks anyways. This is just another thing I will have to go around the whole game finding so I can hoard it. It will be Nuka-Cola and Teddy Bears all over again.--HelpMeRhonda213 22:56, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Pointless opening
""The most popular beverage in the west!". This directly contradicts the information provided by the Nuka-Cola Corporation, which was the most popular and readily available beverage in America. It was established in 2018. However, this claim could still possibly hold up, since the root beer company claims to be the best drink "In the West", and it's possible that the Nuka Cola Corporation did not have as much pull there."

Is this ment to be taken seriously? A Soda company claiming its the most populer drink around? BREAKING CANON! I'd remove this, but I got nothing to replace it, so I'll leave it for now.Revolverman 12:35, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Derp on our part. Removed it. Nitty Tok. 12:39, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Image (no longer) needed
Can someone add an image of an actual bottle? (Don't have the game yet or a system that can run it, or I would myself.) --StClair 17:37, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone? Anyone at all.  Come on, it's not like it's hard to find.  (Still waiting on my new computer.) StClair 00:50, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * And done. Thanks, DvS. StClair 06:45, November 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. --DvS 21:43, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Real life inspiration?
Is it just me or is Sunset Sarsaparilla a pun on Cactus Cooler®, a soda only found in the Southwestern United States?

Very doubting on it it could be an 'inspiration' but then 'Cactus Cooler®' is an orange-pineapple Soda it could be a very small coincidence but its not really a reference/pun on either respected beverage

Taste Like Cream soda?
Anything else thought when the sunset sarsaparilla robot mentioned sugar cane the drink was a brand of cream soda?--Spysix 20:33, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who knows? I was actually thinking it was a kind of root beer, but that was complete speculation on my part. Maybe if someone could materialize the drink into real-life we could find out. 20:36, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sarsaparilla is still available at old-timey stores or places with a wide variety of sodas; it tends to taste a lot like root beer but with a "lighter" taste. It's made from root, but from a different tree than usual "root beer."--FakePreWarBook 21:18, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's not spanish right?
I'm sick of all kind of "typos" made by americans speaking spanish... I don't know if it means something different or it's a different language or is due to its extensive use, that typos became accepted words, BUT:

- for me "desperado" doesn't exist, for me it's "desesperado" which means "desperate".

- for me "parilla" doesn't exist, for me it's "parrilla" which means grill

- for me "sarsa" doesn't exist, for me it's "salsa" which means sauce AND is a dancing style.

Just pointing out, no need to start an international war Wertoret 18:33, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to note that "sarsa-" is NOT a typo for "salsa"; it's is the common name for Smilax regelii, a vine common to Central America. It's a different word than the Spanish ones you're thinking of. FakePreWarBook 18:39, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah if it's a personal name, I can't say anything, but most of these words sounds "romanic" to me and might be very possibly come from spanish, of course los angeles might be a place (personal) name but to me it sounds like "the angels" which comes from spanish. Whatever, this is not the place to discuss this and I'm not gonna keep on this, you can reply tough. Wertoret 18:54, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Trivia for you (I used to live there)--L.A.'s original name was El Pueblo de la Reina de Los Angeles or "The Town of the Queen of the Angels" (settled by the Spanish). FakePreWarBook 19:01, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, I wanted to let you know that in doing more research I found that the name of the vine, Sarsaparilla, was indeed derived from Spanish "zarza" (shrub) and "parilla" (little vine) because of its origin in Central America. So it's not a misspelling, but it is the "root" (har har) of the word. FakePreWarBook 02:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Smilax saRsaparilla is very common here and is usually called SaLsaparilla just because it is easier to pronounce. The side effects of an excessive consumption are the ones listed by Festus but it can't be worse than Nuka Cola Quantum. --Croquignol 19:32, November 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Desperado" isn't a typo. It's a common term for an outlaw in the American west. Was it derived from Spanish? Yes. Is it a Spanish word being misspelled? No. It's an American English word being spelled correctly. There's no point in sitting around saying "Your language spells words from my language wrong! D:" Particularly when you're actually wrong half the time, since "sarsaparilla" has nothing to do with either salsa or grills. Atypicaloracle 22:06, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to miss the internet after the apocalypse.--Atlas Lied! 22:24, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

5%? I thought it was 10%?
In my 'official Prima guide' (Which isn't as handy as it sounds) states that SS has a ten percent chance of having a star bottle cap. Is the book wrong? (I wouldn't be surprised) It should be noted that there are two different numbers floating around, and (the one that's wrong, I don't know which) it should be jotted down somewhere. 98.149.250.103 23:33, November 12, 2010 (UTC)Satellite

Two types of empty bottles
I was at the sunken Sunset Sarsaparilla shipment and gathered all of the empty bottles in order to clean-up. Once I dropped them back underwater I noticed that there were two groups of bottles in my inventory. Once dropped, one group floated to the surface and the other sank to the bottom. Just thought that it was cool. BrenMan 94 22:04, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. If you take a look at the empty Sunset Sarsaparilla bottle page, you'll see that the two types are shown with their different BaseIDs in the infobox. -- 23:26, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sunset Sarsaparilla Star Cap Probability
Greetings,

I have collected some data regarding the probability of the Sunset Sarsaparilla bottle yielding a Star cap. The issue I was having is that 10% seemed like a ridiculously high probability after my personal experience of only getting a few caps for what seemed to be over a hundred bottles consumed.

Another number floating around is 5%, but no one seems to be able to cite a source for this number.

In an attempt to nail down the actual probability more precisely, I began collecting data on bottles I had drunk throughout my travels in the wasteland. After drinking 156 bottles, I had received 4 Sunset Sarsaparilla Star Caps from the bottles. This gives an estimate of 2.56%, with a 95% confidence interval of 0.7% to 6.43%.

Since I started collecting my data after already drinking up many bottles of Sunset Sarsaparilla, it was difficult to get enough bottles to yield enough statistical data on the actual probability. To rectify this, I used the developer console to generate both Sunset Sarsaparilla and Purified Water; I would drink many bottles of Sunset Sarsaparilla and a few Purified Waters to keep myself from dying, since I am playing on Hardcore Mode.

The upshot of this adventure is that I raised the total number of bottles drunk to 2406 bottles and observed a total of 35 Sunset Sarsaparilla Star Bottle Caps. Under the assumption that the bottles of Sunset Sarsaparilla have some fixed probability p that upon drinking they will give a Star cap, after drinking all these bottles, the total number of successes (star caps received) should follow a binomial distribution. Under this model we can calculate the following:

Estimated Probability: 1.45%

95% Confidence Interval: 1.02% to 2.02%

These numbers don't seem to be much different than the ones achieved by drinking "real world" Sunset Sarsaparilla bottles alone -- the probability seems to be much lower than the 5% and 10% figures floating around the intarwebs. Some really enterprising Sunset Sarsaparilla fanatic could go even more hardcore and drink several thousand of these bottles, but the size of the confidence interval becomes extremely hard to shrink much further. For instance, if we assume the probability is about 1.5% of getting a star cap, then after drinking 10,000 bottles, we could only nail down the probability to a 0.5% range instead of the 1% range that I have it at above (e.g. 1.27% to 1.76).

I really thought it was around 5% when I started collecting caps. The 10% figure that people report the strategy guide as giving seemed patently ridiculous; as I collected more and more bottles, it seemed to be lower than even five percent, and now with the statistics I've collected, I am pretty confident that the true probability lies between one and two percent. As far as I know, this effort is the only one so far to attempt to determine the underlying probability of Sunset Sarsaparilla Star Bottle Caps; if anyone has performed similar experiments, I would be interested in knowing the results. --Dchristle 22:54, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I did some more testing. It seems that there is a bug in the game when you consume a lot of consumables quickly. If you keep clicking the Sunset Sarsaparilla bottle, it consumes it but you stop adding caps at all. The previous analysis most likely suffered from this bug. To rectify it, I did the same analysis on 3100 bottles of Sunset Sarsaparilla and found that in fact the probability is about 5%:

Estimated probability: 4.55%

95% Confidence Interval: 3.84% to 5.34%

This agrees with the 5% figure floating around, to within the uncertainty. So now we actually have some data that confirms this; be forewarned, also, about the bug when consuming hundreds of Sunset Sarsaparillas! Dchristle 00:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Stranger at the bar
Any chance the stranger at the bar who inspires the Sunset Sarsaparilla in the "Legend of the Star" story told by Festus is a reference to "The Big Lebowski"? In this movie a stranger (played by Sam Elliot) dressed like a cowboy (who is never given a name other than "the stranger") sits at the bar inside the Dude's bowling alley and orders "a good sarsaparilla" which gets him a Sioux City Sarsaparilla that he's very satisfied with. 91.46.195.197 10:01, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Color-blindness came true!
I had collected and stored over 100 sunset sarsaparillas and decided to get my drank on and get a few star bottle caps to supplement my collection. I went to a rad-free toilet so I didn't get dehydrated and drank about 80 of them when everything went a blueish-grey! It didn't last very long, not even as long as the +2 HP effect but the color-blindness wasn't listed as an effect on the status list. Weird stuff, considering I've done this twice before (I'm so close to 50 star caps!) Anybody else get this?

now you only need halitosis.

Sounds like the low-light visibility granted by Cateye (and I think some of the Nuka Cola flavors) xNOKIx 09:29, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Misinformation.
I don't know how to edit the page or I would, but Sunset Sarsparilla is never worth 20 caps, at least not on the 360 version. Likely someone noticed how they were only worth 3 and tried to remember if that was always the case, and wound up recalling the worth of purified water or Nuka-cola. I've never even completed the quest that supposedly triggers the price change, so I know it's wrong.--BWM

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The article is incorrect for value.
The main article says Sunset Sarsaparilla is 20 caps before finishing the quest.

This is not true. I have never finished the quest and the Sunset Sarsaparilla is only 3 caps right from the beginning of the game. This is on the 360 version. Maybe it's the patch though.

Homebrewed Sunset Sarsaparilla
There is no item that is called like that, it is just a recipe to create a Sunset Sarsaparilla, which is the same as any other Sunset Sarsaparilla. - IPodged 16:50, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Explanations for the Est. 1918
In the story of Sunset Sasparilla, Festus states that it was originaly a family recipe that some guy stole from someone. Is it possible that the family he stole it from could have been making it since 1918 privately before it was made into a company and made available to the public. Many businesses put an Est. 19-- or 18-- on their products to make them look old timey or something.--Skipbomber 03:08, May 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with you. What I gather from reading the e-mails from the terminals is that the story Festus tells is a fabrication by the company to appease those who heard about the contest which got out of hand, and to keep turning a profit from the rumor mill.  From the final terminal above the room with the caps:


 * "Sir, the rumors of some sort of contest are quickly growing out of control. We're getting flooded with calls and messages asking if it's true we're redeeming bottle caps for prizes.  Do you want me to make an official statement denouncing this rumor?"


 * "Stanley, or you out of your mind? Have you seen the latest sales figures?  We're up 300% since these rumors started and you're asking if I want you to make it stop?  Please stop by my office so we can further discuss this issue."


 * "Marcus, I have a few ideas about how we can turn this whole contest situation to our advantage. I'm going to need you to work with the advertising guys on a very special project.  A meeting request will be sent out soon.  By the way, how do you feel about cowboys?"


 * So the fact that the large bottle advertisement says the company was founded in 1918 doesn't mean it's factually true. The logo for the production company Pilgrim Films and Television, Inc. says it was established in 1620, but film and television obviously didn't exist at that time.  I feel that it's a point for discussion about whether or not the article should be changed here and in the The Legend of the Star article.


 * The least that could be done is to take out this note because the conclusion I drew from reading it was that this is a continuity error. The leading sentence could be changed to "The story Festus tells the Courier is inconsistent with the information gathered throughout the rest of the factory," so people reading can draw their own conclusions when exploring this area.


 * --ArmeniusLOD 22:12, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wording on the lable
What does the wording on the lable underneath the Sunset logo say?--Ant2242 04:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

wher ein geck
wher eis it