Talk:This Machine/Archive 1

Moved from Talk: Battle Rifle
bolt action? surely not, the rifle in the picture is, or at least it's based of a Garand, notable for the fact it isn't bolt action. Mr Habberdasher 16:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see a charging handle for working a bolt. I doubt its a bolt action rifle, since I beleve the hunting rifle is appearing in NV too. Revolverman 17:49, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I propose we rename it "Semi-Automatic Rifle". Anyone agree? Josrence44 18:12, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I named it that because I thought the Garand was bolt-action. (._.') Nitty Tok. 21:42, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

dunno, this pic could be of a rifle that already has a page, eg. the varmint rifle, if I were an admin I'd probably delete this page until a name can be put to the rifle, only time shall tell Mr Habberdasher 19:30, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not the Varmint Rifle, that much is confirmed. Ausir(talk) 19:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Because we have so many people making articles calling this an M1 Garand, and people arguing over it, i think we should just delete this article until the game comes out.i put a picture of a different game on a Fallout wiki and there nothin you can do bout it 20:31, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

MY GOD! WHAT HAS HE DONE!!!? It also kind of looks like an M1 Carbine rifle, too. Since the MAR is a cross between the M16A1 and M4A1, it'd make sense to combine the two standard Marine rifles together too. Josrence44 21:37, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Will everybody just stop arguing about what it is! It's an M1 Garand Semi-Automatic Rifle. I know this because I'm a Gun Collector. If You don't know what it is and so does nobody else, contact me on My Talk Page. Post me a picture of the gun in-game and I should know what kind of gun it is. Don't Go arguing on with Your patties in a bunch. - Texas Ranger 02:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ammunition
It will most likely fire a .308 Caliber Round. The M1 Garand had a variant that fired a 7.62 NATO round (the military version of .308) Gary 0 05:47, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's kinda true. The M-14 is what you are thinking about, but it is a totally diferent weapon from the M1 Garand. - Texas Ranger 15:47, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * What you think has exactly no relationship on what may or may not be in the game. Nitty Tok. 06:09, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think, I know. The M1 Garand was never chamber in 7.62mm. The M-14 was based on M1 Garand, but had many improvements over the Garand. Please do not insult me or my thoughts. - Texas Ranger 23:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what you get for posting over 2 months after I did. :/
 * I was talking to Gary 0 before you interjected your post in, because there was a lot of "OHHHHH IT USES .308" edits. Nitty Tok. 23:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The M1 Garand has been rechambered in .308 many times. I've seen them for sale and seen en bloc clips mean't for .308 aswell. - 527 Whoever keeps deleting this needs to STOP. This is FACT.


 * No, whoever keeps adding it needs to stop. It's not within the scope of the article to play "spot the similarities" with real-life guns. Even the Fallout 3 assault rifle which is based on the real-life G3, doesn't have a mention of the G3 even though the gun is referred to as the G3 in the game files. -- 11:35, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was more like backing up the fact that it could be an M1 Garand. It may not be in the "scope" to point out similarities but if you look above there is someone that doesn't know that the M1 Garand was chambered in .308 so I was informing him that there is such a gun. This also backs up the fact that it is a M1 Garand. If the game maker called it a Colt 1911 .45 ACP, you guys would believe it. - 527

Sorry, My computer crash a few weeks ago and I've been trying to get everthing reinstalled. Secondly, I thought you were talking to me. And by the way, nice little info below. Do the guards forget to give you your meds today? - Texas Ranger 03:28, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * They are adding a lot of new ammo and it could very well run on .30-06. time will tell.


 * It's gonna be a M1 Abrams firing special ammo. Kris (talk) 23:31, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought...
Because the Fallout universe diverges after WWII, then this rifle very well could be an M1 Garand. CoD addict 19:02, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Garand!
It's an M1 Garand all right; no other semi-automatic rifle has a gas tube that goes right up to the end of the barrel like that. It's a toss-up on the Caliber; Every Fallout game has seen odd calibers assigned to different fictional and real-world weapons, one of the most unusual being the .32 caliber from FO3. If the designers of FONV want to stay closer to reality, the obvious choice is to make all the bolt action hunting rifles caliber 30-06 (most common hunting caliber for 100 years) and the same caliber as the Garand. Damage should be medium-high and balanced by the lack of a scope and the 8 round magazine, with the optional addon of scope later in the game. This would help to patch up a glaring weakness from FO3; namely that the hunting rifle is a poor weapon after the first few levels, and no more powerful weapon exists to use all those .32 rounds. I had ~4K rounds in inventory after I completed the last DLC.
 * I'd just like to point out that the M1 Garand uses a 8 round clip, not magazine. Also, I've never heard of it chambered in a caliber other than .30-06, athough there are so many I wouldn't doubt it. And Nitty, I'm ashamed of you, thinking it's bolt-action. Dolten 1164610-433px usmc logo svg large.png  Let's Talk  01:15, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * But it fires from an internal magazine. While the ammunition may be bundled in a clip before insertion into the rifle itself, it fires from internal magazine, not a clip.

Another tidbit about the Garand: more than 5 million were produced for WWII and Korea (all except for a few hundred in 30-06), and more than a million of them have been sold to US citizens as surplus. These days, the Garand is still produced by several manufacturers. It's a no-brainer that the Garand should be available in-game with that kind of availability.

It was mostly chambered in 30-06 and some were converted to .308. This gun has a 8 round magazine that is fed by a 8 round en-bloc clip.

Given that this Garand still fires from an en-bloc clip and fires 7.62x51mm NATO (aka Winchester .308), it is most likely a US Navy Mk. 2 Mod 0/Mod 2 version.

Delete content
Why did someone erased the content in the page? I can't see a problem with the way it was.--Oddii02 17:49, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean the images that were deleted? It's part of the new image policy, forum post images need to be either images used elsewhere on the wiki, such as on someone's user page or in an article, or they need to be off-site images linked rather than uploaded and put inline. I know I went through and deleted a quite a few images that were only used in forum posts and archived talk pages, as a cleanup.
 * Also it's worth mentioning, since I'm on the subject, that user page images need to bear the prefix "user" - for example "User M1 garand.jpg" instead of "M1 garand.jpg".-- 19:12, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Not about the images and pictures, but about the content itself, the text, there was a text about ammonitions and specualtion there that saounded pretty convincent, so I think it should have staid rather tahn deleted. Know what I'm talking about now? --Oddii02 19:40, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

It obviously is based of the M1 Garand so I put it in references instead of characteristics and can someone stop deleting the content please.--Mary roc 17:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

It is speculation and we also don't cover what weapons look like. Tezzla Cannon 17:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

for god sake tezzla cannon stop deleting it.--Mary roc 17:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

No. Tezzla Cannon 17:42, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well ok but you've got to admit it looks like an M1 Garand. Am not theonly one that thinks that. Mary roc 17:48, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't matter who thinks what. Real-life weapon similarities do not belong in article pages unless the weapon is named the same as a real-life gun. -- 18:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a dupe
I'm looking in the GECK and I'm fairly sure that picture is of This Machine. It's listed as WeapNVBattleRifleUnique and there is no WeapNVBattleRifle or anything similar than I can find. I don't think a non-unique version exists. --Rooker75 19:21, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirected, then. Nitty Tok. 02:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

One thing, however, is the Battle rifle is referenced by name in the manifest log obtained from Daniel Contreras' terminal, as its own entity not to be confused with the service rifle. Yes, it's clear that this gun does not exist in the files anymore, but I think it's clear that it was at one time in the game, or considered to be, and therefore we should have a cut content page for it. Mediocrity Goggles 20:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mentioned only weapons don't get pages like this. :P
 * It might just have been called "battle rifle" in the terminal to not need to specifically name it. Reverting to redirect. Nitty Tok. 02:49, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

So to clear this up for everyone!! I have found the gun, and it is called "This Machine". It IS the M1 Garand look alike that shoots a .308 cal in the game. Has a 8 round clip and damage is 57 at 75% and up gun condition. The DPS is 137. The ONLY way you can get it is if you hack Daniel Contreras' terminal and report it to Lt. Carrie Boyd that he is selling NCR guns illegally. Both of these people are found at Camp McCarran. So there you go, I doubt there are any attachments for the gun by the way. (Dylan)

Woodie Guthrie
A reference to "This Machine Kills Fascists" on Woodie Guthrie's guitar? 80.12.81.14 09:30, October 20, 2010 (UTC) Well This Machine kills Communists. As what it says on the rifle.

Okay, maybe Im just slow, but where does it say "well this machine kills commies"? I can't see it anywhere on the rifle in game.

Its really hard to see, but on Xbox i finnially saw it. Lenov 23:09, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Really?
Someone really changed it from "Semi Auto Rifle" to This Machine? Seriously? Seeing as though It's based off of the M1 Garand, it should be the semi auto rifle.

well considering there's a gun called "that gun" I'm not surprised, its what its called and it may be gay, get over it, lol ithinkimaddicted 19:44, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the gun is the only one in the game, and called 'This Machine' so...yea... --Drldrl 12:17, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

repaired with anything?
Is this a truly unique gun, so that it needs merchant or weapon kit repair? Or can you scrounge from another weapon? -al--98.235.201.206 08:15, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Truly unique. -- 03:07, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can use the Jury Rigging perk to repair it with all sorts of things. 00:41, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

bug
for some reason the first guy you need to talk to is nowhere to be found at the gun runners can anybody help

I had that happen when returning with scrap. I just waited a day or two and he returned. --

Or, he's at his house, which is west of the Gun Runners. 98.235.201.206 08:14, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

The new A3-21's plasma rifle?
This gun does 72 damage and is rapid firing, I'm able to use 5 vats strike with it.. I think it's pretty damn powerful like ^ was is fallout 3..

The Machine is a one of a kind weapon. There is no other weapons of its kind. Which makes A3-21's Plasma Rifle look like a 9mm pistol.---Legion- 00:37, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

"This Machine" is defenantly the rifle equilant of "That Gun".Ragedaoneanlonely 11:46, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Spread
The page says the rifle has spread of 0.5. Is that a typo or it really has accuracy of 10mm pistol? 84.21.221.70 13:46, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thats got to be a typo, it has been way more accuracy than a 10 mm for sure. (Dylan)

Actually that is probably about right. I’ve been using it for the past couple of hours since I got it and it’s a powerful weapon if you’re up close and personal, but for any kind of distance shots its lousy.ReapTheChaos 10:19, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Both This Machine and The Mysterious Magnum have a spread listed at .05 and having used both of them quite a bit, I'd say their accuracy outside of VATS is about the same (This Machine is better for me in VATS; but I have the Commando perk, so it should be).

On a side note I actually think its pretty damned devastating at range. Its definitely no Sniper Rifle; but if you aim center mass you can lay down some easy sneak attack criticals with it. Combine that with its high damage, high rate of fire and quick reload speed and you can lay down a pretty devastating barrage from a mile away (Boone's Spotter Perk really shines with this gun). - Implodinggoat 12:00 AM, November 11, 2010.

ive never seen weapon spread as a issue with anything other than shotguns, like if there far enough away that aiming at the chest with slight spread misses, than usually they'll lose sight of you and you'll be hidden rapidly, i like the gun but if your going high range i still prefer the sniper rifle with all the mods, tears through deathclaws like a hot knife through butter. Toolazytomakeaaccount 23:32, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I tried reducing the spread of This Machine to 0 in the GECK, but it has a bug which makes it shoot slightly to the right of where you're aiming (down the sights), so that makes it difficult to shoot precisely. You have to try and guess where exactly the bullet will go to the right. If you manage to "guess" correctly it can take out almost everything within sight.

Damn this thing is tough...
I've been using This Machine for probably the last....10+ hours of game play, and the condition is still almost near-perfect even after popping off close to 500+ rounds. Not sure what's up with that...but I'm totally loving it along with the crazy dps/VATS attacks you can pull. Probably one of the best rifles you can get, and it takes one of the most common ammo types on top of that. --67.193.11.186 06:29, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I Love My Garand
I think this is the best weapon in the whole damned game. Its durable as hell and takes a relatively common type of ammo; but it lays down a ton of damage per shot, its got a damned quick rate of fire, it reloads in a snap, in VATS it does more damage per AP point than anything bit the YCS/186 Gauss Rifle and its even got decent accuracy.

Better still since I took the hand loader perk and the Jury Rigging Perk, I'm laying down 230 DPS at 97.5 damage a shot with my .308 JSP Hand Load rounds and I can repair it with all the most common rifles and shotguns. Implodinggoat 12:28 AM, November 11, 2010.

In fact, this machine is so tough that you won't even need jury rigging perk. 2~3 piece of weapon repair kits should be enough to maintain this gun in maximum firepower during the whole game. I love it. 121.166.243.84 11:33, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine is NOT Responsible for Crashes
Whoever said This Machine causes the game to crash when entering The Strip on the PS3 version is wrong. There are known issues with game crashes when entering The Strip; possessing This Machine has nothing to do with it. I own the PS3 version, and I just entered The Strip with This Machine equipped. I even brandished the weapon and shot someone. No crash at all. Note that I have an Old Cowboy Hat in my inventory, though. (Allegedly, the Old Cowboy Hat keeps the game from crashing, for some strange reason.) I think we should remove the paragraphs about This Machine causing game crashes. --dusty_duster 00:43, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm deleting the stuff about This Machine causing game crashes. --dusty_duster 13:05, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

wrong info in this locked page
the first bug is not a bug, working as intended. Hot lead in the brain is the best way to convince someone.

Not based on visual...but how about audio?
While I know that there were a few statements on this page about how similarities to real-world guns aren't mentioned if they're only based on what we can glean from the appearance, this is almost too much. The Garrand's metallic 'ping' when ejecting a spent clip (clip, not magazine, either) was distinctive enough for communist troops in the Korean War to make their charges in timing with it. I won't argue that it would be a Garrand based on the appearance, but that sound alone (and the over-the-top loading along with it) makes it almost wall-bangingly obvious. If it looks like a dog, walks like a dog, and barks like a dog, there's only so long you can go alleging that it might be something other than a dog before you start to look loony.
 * We're not alleging that it is anything else. We are just refraining from opening any discussion in the article about what real-world weapon this might resemble.--Gothemasticator 14:41, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't "might resemble", it is an M1 Garand. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 14:57, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing that with you. I'm simply refusing to let this discussion get into the article.--Gothemasticator 15:08, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think that's true. We are claiming that it's something else, if only because of the active refusal to give it a particular label. Simply enough, by insisting that it's not one thing, we're insisting that it's something else. Meh. Anyhoo, I've no problem leaving it as is.

The noise alone is a reference to the grand, and that should at least be noted in the pageSuperinsomniac 23:49, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Simalarities to M1 Garand
We really dont need to waste our time deleting parts that say "Based off of M1 Garand" it just gives people a point of reference as to what the gun is most related too, I mean, This is a 40s-50s weapon, and it fits into the style of Fallout, So why go to the effort of getting rid of the parts that reference the M1 Garand? Call it what you want, but im 100% certian that the developers based it off of the M1 Garand.
 * You don't need to waste you time adding them in, either.--Gothemasticator 06:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

>_> Well, Theirs a point to putting them in, It tells people the similarity to a real world weapon so people know it is indeed a 40s-50s era weapon. Or a weapon imagined in the 40s-50s.
 * I'll explain again.
 * If it is an M1 Garand, then why isn't it named that in the game?
 * Because it is not named that in the game, the resemblance is entirely in the eye of the beholder. And, experience on this site in recent months has shown that gun-enthusiasts, both ignorant and well-informed, have an undending capacity for arguing even the incontrovertibly obvious.
 * In the interest of peace, we do not list even obvious and clearly true resemblances to real-world weapons.


 * --Gothemasticator 06:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute. While (again) I have no issue leaving the article as it stands, I've never liked making the right/a reasonable decision for the wrong reasons. #1 is irrelevant, simply because it insists that overarching categories don't exist. It'd be like insisting that some guy named Jim isn't a human, he's a 'Jim' because that's what hit says on his nametag. #2 is simply unbeatable logic, and not in the good way. Saying that "if it's not specifically labeled, we can never be sure" is a completely irrefutable argument because there's no response to it. Unfortunately, not everything in the world has a specific label attached to it, and everything you describe is ultimately a reasonable assumption. Saying otherwise is...well, denying the concept of reality. And, just in case I haven't said it enough, I'm fine with the current status. The only thing resembling a problem I have is the logic behind it. --Char-Nobyl 20:50, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, Now that you mention it, People did pretty much fill up the talk section of the assault carbine saying "ITS AN M4" or "ITS A SHORTENED M16 FROM VIETNAM". On this page infact we had people saying it wasnt an M1 Garand since it chambered a different round. Well, Whatever, people can make the distinction themselves over what its similar to.
 * Yeah, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. And since the game itself and the devs remain silent on the matter, there's no definitive authority with which to end the arguing. So, best to avoid it altogether.--Gothemasticator 06:34, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, Also, I might take the video on the page and replace it with Orcideas new video, Since his video posts information about the weapon on his video (Which he gets from this website xD).

not to incite any more frustration from anyone but due to its uniqueness there's no way it could just be called "M1 garand" giving such a general name to an unique item is almost as bad as giving a name like "that gun" to a pistol, granted i don't care if its in the article or not its fairly obvious and doesn't need to be stated that it is an m1 garand...like the service rifle, i can't say for sure but im almost certain its an m16 assault rifle, which id gladly post an image of but i don't want an image non related to fallout floating around the wiki, anyway i suppose its in the interest of not having some idiot who cant see straight and "thinks" hes a gun expert spouting nonsense like, "OMG its not an m1 garand its an m1 garand with 2bolt attachment and extention with low fire rate modifications and high damage output blah blah blaah" so i don't mind. Toolazytomakeaaccount 06:47, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine=M1 Garand
This Machine is the M1 Garand. The Garand is 30-06 but in Fallout New Vegas they dont have the round so they had to use the closest round chambered.(aka .308) The referance is to Woodie Gutherie and the rifle being used in the Korean War or the Vietnam War and we killed commies in both wars. I should know because I study 1940's to 1970's history. The M14 was created in 1954 and chambers the 7.62 NATO but is a to heavy round for troops so we created the M16.
 * Please read the discussion section directly above, and be advised that any entry into the article to the effect of equating This Machine to the M1 Garand will be removed.--Gothemasticator 01:23, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

It is Rediculous
How there is even oposition to the fact that this gun has a real world counterpart called the m-1 grand, The gun looks like a grand, and it ejects the clip like the grand, I have yet to find a closer gun to "this machine" as for the ammo, is it really more logical to put in an entire ammo type for one gun? the gun it self could have even been modified for sniping.Superinsomniac 23:54, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I had a hard time reading what you typed, and an even harder time understanding your point, so I'll break it down.

(1) It has a real world counterpart. That doesn't make the gun itself a Garand. It may look like one, but it's like I always say, "unless the devs said it, it's pure speculation!"

(2) ...Did you even play through the game? Sniper rifle (Fallout: New Vegas) and Gobi Campaign scout rifle are both snipers. And they serve as better snipers than This Machine. Also, the Hunting rifle (Fallout: New Vegas) serves well as a battle rifle, if fitted with a scope.

So your argument is invalid, good night Irene. IncompetentMinion 22:34, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ehhh, for some reason this seems to be a controversial topic around here, but I can somewhat understand the Vault's admins' reasoning behind it. The fact is while it most certainly does look like the M1 Garand, the type of ammunition used is strange, however this isn't the first time the ammunition has changed for a gun in a video game setting for possible gameplay purposes. And to be honest, This Machine looks more like the Tanker Garand to me for some reason. So there may still be some debate as to the exact real life origins of the gun. Anyway, I think it's a wise decision to avoid putting in any indication of real life counterparts to any guns from the game. There's other databases/wikis for that anyway. --Distracted Ghost 13:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is getting too much...
Many facts....and downright fauilts are fould in the preceding arguments.

1. Dating the gun. It was NOT a WWII issued gun (or the chance is in the millinons). If you recall correctly the gun says "well this gun kills commies". The only time we fought commies on a regular basis with that firearm was in the KOREAN war. We even used Garands in very early vietname before the shit hit the fan.

2. Caliber. If you're an avid fan of the Garand I think I am one, I follow up on their manufacturers and no doodads and nonsense you don't need to complicate the gun with.anyway.

The last few years Fulton-Armory (of fulton-armor.org) does the best garand/m1a/m14/m1 carbine/etc work you can't even imagine.

A few years ago they started offering the garand in .270,.308 and the traditional 30-'06.

Springfield armory also did this a couple years that I know of, offering the fine-gun in .308 or 30'06.

My conclusion is that it's a well kept Korea Era m1 Garand with the "well this kills commies" scrawled on it. After the father passed the rifle to a child, the child, being smaller than her father had fulton armor refit for a .308 bore.

Knowing what I know, I figured that out in 5 seconds after I asked myself "how'd it get here?"

another note. THE CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) regularly distributes M1 garands/carbines and other war-used or war-packed firearms to people willig to pay for them. Any sort of full auto capability is removed beforehand of course.

visit

www.fulton-armory.com

www.cmp.org


 * Remember that the major problem you guys are having is you are comparing real world timeline to the falout timeline. In all appearances it could be a garand. The model, the sounds the way it kicks are all similar to the garand. The fact is, it was never said to be a M1 Garand. There were long discussions with fallout 3 and how the hunting rifle looks like this or that. Unless there is something very specific that links the real world equivalent to the game version, it does not belong. --Kingclyde 02:20, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

That Dastardly "PING!" When we ran-out of bullets were good times for germans to rush US soldiers. Then the Americans got wise and started stringing clips to their rifles, and dropping the empty clip while aiming his rifle with a full 8 round clip installed. He'd drop the clip, making that "PING" sound, germans would advance over bunkers and prompty shot to death by clever americans.

While this probably served in Korea, in fact, in the very very earliest days of vietnam, us soldiers still under 'no fire' rules carried Garands. So either way, they were killin' commies. It is not WWII use (or wwii use and refitted for korea, the stories are endless, which makes it a truly collectable and cherisable firearm.)

Don-Roberto 03:18, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear forgot to use those tilde's. Anyway...

That anecdote about the "ping" is exactly what makes "this machine" the m1 Garand. It being called "this machine" maybe due to the fact no one on the planet knows what a garand is anymore!

How do you know this IS an M1 Garand though? For one, it's chambered for .308/7.62. How do you know this isn't some sort of M1 Garand look-alike? Just because the PING sound when ejecting the clip is heard does not make it a M1 Garand. That's like saying that the ability to remove a magazine on a rifle makes it a M1A1 Carbine. -Shdowhunt60

The fact is that we just don't know what it is. It just LOOKS like an M1 Garand. The matter is dead as it will not be put in the article. All of this discussion will be deleted soon. Thanks. And please sign your posts!--Kingclyde 06:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Warning: Do not give This Machine to Boone with .308 JSP ammo
He will steal all of your kills.

Edit request: other places to repair this weapon to 100%?
I know that there's a paladin that is sometimes at the Brotherhood Safehouse that will repair stuff to 100%. Are there any others?


 * Raul Tejada, a ghoul whom you release from prison on Black Mountain, can do repairs up to 100% and is a possible companion as well. (He's also quite funny: "I'm sure pissing off a ruthless warlord with a tribe of fanatically-devoted warriors was a good move. How could it not be? It was your idea." Wunengzi 03:00, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

mobile version is corrupted
The mobile version is corruptedVault 815 03:40, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...what does that even mean? Nitty Tok. 03:48, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

The info box does not show up on iphone. It does on other pagesVault 815 04:16, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

This Machine still has 65 DAM
I'm playing from a fully patched run of New Vegas on the 360. I started a new game when the latest patch came out. All of the other weapons they changed in the patch (sniper rifle, missile launcher, energy weapons) have different levels of DAM and you can see the changes on the Pip-Boy. But I just got This Machine and it's DAM remains unchanged at 65. Now keep in mind I'm not complaining I'm just wondering if anyone else is getting this?


 * It's 55 for me. Are you sure that you don't have a perk or other ammo type affecting it's damage? --Valadez 16:50, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Where can I find a load of .308 rounds? Does the guy at Hoover Dam sell them? Because Conteras is in jail. He was a good vendor. I "accidently" tested my Anti-Material rifle on him. So,were can I buy some ammo? because this is the best gun ever.


 * I always get mine from the Gun Runners. They don't sell as much as Contreras but they sell more than I ever need. --Valadez 10:11, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

GODDAMMIT BOONE
I want to give him this but for some reason whenever I give it to him he fucking slaughters everyone within 500 miles of him, me included. Why is this happening and how do I make it not happen? --BOSPalidan 12:20, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Are you saying boone kills you with this rifle? That's awesome. Zac hemker 18:04, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ha, sorry, that made me laugh. I think I'll give this to Boone to try out in a little while. This will be interesting considering my current character is a melee/unarmed build. --Distracted Ghost 13:19, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is the weapon!
This weapon is one of the best in the game. Pretty fast firing, the cartridge capacity is good and is one of the fatest reload weapons in the game. Add AP ammo, wich can be found in larger quantities, and you are a killing machine. Who needs the AMR? :P :D Brfritos 20:12, February 7, 2011 (UTC)