Forum:I'm confused about the split/move

So I just discovered that the Fallout Wiki has "moved" from Wikia to here, but missed this news before now because the Wikia wiki is still active. I've read the posts about it, but I'm still terribly confused:
 * Why are people still active on both wikis?
 * Does this mean it forked rather than moving?
 * Does nobody in the community have control over the Wikia wiki such that it can be closed/migrated instead of splitting, or it is that are there people besides Wikia who want the wikia wiki to stay in operation? So confusing!
 * Since the Wikia wiki is still active, will this fork pick up changes made to the Wikia wiki (automatically or manually), or are they just going to diverge?

Thanks. --HunterZ 03:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Some people are still active on both wikis for many reasons, but the most common is that they are still loyal to Ausir and the other Vault bureaucrats as well as The Vault's name, but they also don't want the Wikia wiki to become trashed by hordes of vandals who are taking advantage of the wiki's vulnerability after the move.
 * 2) To my knowledge, moving is similar to forking, but results in the older site being disabled. Since the Wikia wiki is still active, yes, we forked.
 * 3) What Wikia has is what Wikia keeps. No action will be taken to force a multi-million dollar corporation to shutdown one of its most active wikis.
 * 4) Somewhat. There have been individual "dealings" between users of both sites, exchanging large pieces content, such as new pages. Other menial additions such as grammar and spelling or reorganization do not show up on the other wiki. --Kastera (talk) 05:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answers. I'm still pretty uncertain about which wiki I should spend my time contributing to, though, since they are both active but separate. It does seem that this wiki has a stronger intention of being the definitive Fallout one, while the other seems content to just exist for now. If I do decide to contribute primarily to this wiki, should I work to bring over my recent changes to the Wikia one? --HunterZ_tiny.png(talk) 05:44, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's all up to you whether or not you want to contribute to both wikis. But ponder on this for a tad: if you add something here and then do the exact same thing on the Wikia wiki, it's like we're not two seperate wikis. If everything added to both wikis are carbon copies of each other, what's the point of having two wikis? --Kastera (talk) 06:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * On further reflection I realize that my first question was worded badly. What I meant was more along the lines of "why is anyone still active on the Wikia wiki at all?". I guess you sort of answered it (and someone else here mentioned to me that the Wikia wiki is "in stasis"), but I think it's disingenuous to think that the Wikia wiki is just treading water; there are actually real changes still being made to articles there. In fact, filtering out blog changes there and post-split cleanup changes here, the real recent changes look to have a similar volume on both wikis. This is not meant as a defense of the Wikia wiki, but rather as part of the explanation for my confusion about which one to pour my efforts into.
 * I think what I'm going to do is migrate some of my recent pre-moderated changes from Wikia (recently started playing FNV) and see how the staff here react to them in comparison. --HunterZ_tiny.png(talk) 16:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, both wiki's are treading water. This was to be expected regardless of the fork or not, with the lights being switched out on the game development side (i.e. all DLC's are now released and no further patches etc.) and other projects now on general release (Skyrim, Rage etc.) and planned future content, it was to be expected. This can be easily seen by the lack of edits on either wiki by some contributors. Although some may be just sitting back and deciding which wiki to contribute to, most are editing else where or playing new games. Neither wiki is going to get any real mass attention until details of future Fallout releases are announced. It is essentially a lull between the storms.


 * But to expand on a few things already stated by Kastera, the Wikia version will remain. Wikia will not give up a cash cow like that in any way, nor is there any legal right to force them to do so, unfortunately. Even if the whole community moved here and all of humanity agreed the Wikia version should be closed and no one edited Wikia ever again, it would still remain open. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 22:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I figured that was probably the case. It still seems weird, though, that some people would want to stay behind and especially to contribute new content there; I suppose there are some politics involved, as well as a number of more casual contributors like myself who missed the memo.
 * I should also mention that there will probably be a brief burst of interest in FNV soon, as the ultimate edition is about to be released. I would have waited for that myself, but I ended up getting FNV for xmas and then bought the DLCs on the Steam holiday sales :) As I did with Fallout 3, I've been contributing to various articles as I play through the game. --HunterZ_tiny.png(talk) 00:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Just 2 cents from a member of the Curse wiki team.... Users have spent a lot of time/effort building the Vault. It's hard to give up that sense of "ownership" and just transfer it to somewhere else. I get that... totally. That being said, nothing has been lost in this, all of the effort this community has put into building The Vault exists here. The Curse team is hoping that the Vault community will find us more hospitable hosts, willing to allow the community much more control over design and content than you were finding at Wikia. That we will offer the community more opportunities. Now it's up to you all to determine what is to be gained. We are pleased to have you here, and I hope eventually you will all be as pleased to be here. --Wynthyst 11:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I think that all of my recent wikia changes to FNV articles have now found a new home here. I had to duplicate the Mojave Outpost barracks article to allow for some of my significant changes to Mojave Outpost; I hope this is not controversial. I'm especially proud of my Ivanpah Dry Lake edits, which on wikia were reverted and then replaced with junk by the staff there; that debacle is one of the reasons I decided to give this wiki a chance to welcome my contributions instead. So far, the staff here has been helpful and patient! --(talk 01:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)