Talk:Black Widow/Archive 1

the vampire girl? Ilovefallout 16:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The one in The Family-Accountless Avenger

does it only add + 10% damage against male humans or also ghouls, supermutants etc.?
 * My guess is it also works on non-feral Ghouls, but Super Mutants are asexual. 206.53.65.108 17:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Feral Ghouls and supermutants are asexual. A super-mutant conversation in-game (If you sneak around and listen to them talk to each other) also confirms this "I think I knew a woman... or maybe I was a woman... GAH! My head hurts!" It should also be noted that Talon Company always sends men, I've yet to encounter a female enclave soldier, and you are SLIGHTLY more likely to run into male raiders then female ones, this makes black widow a more powerful perk then lady killer-Accountless Avenger

I have found two dead female Talon company mercs but have never encountered a living one.

Sydney
On the Stealing Independence page, it's mentioned that Sydney will sleep with you if you have Lady Killer, 10 CHA, and Sexy Sleepwear on. This seems too specific and unlikely to be true. Any verification? 208.97.121.178 16:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I just verified it with Lady Killer Perk using Grape Mentats next to a bed in the required sexy sleepwear and there is no such dialogue option. Tried before and after return of declaration of independence.

Herbert "Daring" Dashwood Radio Dramas
In the radio dramas, the Black Widow is the leader of the Paradise Falls slaver gang. Just wanted to point that coincidence out.

That's obviously NOT a coincidence. Blutteufel 16:35, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Dukov
The Black Widow option with the "You gotta shoot 'em in the head" quest NEVER appears. i tried every possible option.

No, I got him to give me the key with the Black Widow perk just a few hours ago. You have to mention Crowley (of course), and then I believe I first asked him how Crowley died and he talked about Tara's 'rack,' and how she died on the mission as well. Then I asked him where Fort Constantine is. That requires a speech check, but I think that's not necessary to get the Black Widow dialog to show up. After that, I said that Crowley wants the key. I also asked him why the key is so important. He said he wouldn't hand it over, and after that I had the option to use Black Widow. He then said "For you, sweet cheeks? Sure," or along those lines. I'll try and have the conversation again and give you better details.

a question
is it possible to be a female character, and have the Lady Killer perk instead of Black Widow? and also vice versa?
 * only by cheating with the player.addperk console command. Bloodwars 20:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the base id for black widow/lady killer?

"Usefulness" of Perks
I've noticed on a lot of the Perk pages there is a section at the bottom called "Notes" where someone describes the "usefulness" of a perk. "Usefulness" is subjective and depends on a player's style of play. In any case, the place for making points about perk usefulness is on the perk discussion page, not on the perk main description page. I think the whole Perks section needs to be cleaned up to get rid of this nonsense. Some of these "Notes on usefulness" are just flat out wrong, like the one for Black Widow, for instance. The author of that note says Lady Killer is not useful because most of the human NPCs in the game are male, therefore Black Widow is a better option with a female character than Lady Killer is with a male character. That's wrong. No matter what sex you choose for a character, you will see that a majority of the human NPCs that you have to fight are the same sex as you. 67.172.16.255 22:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC) Well, except Enclave, because all armored Enclave are male. So, in effect, Black Widow is a bit better.70.108.200.119 22:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * My character is female and I have encountered a few female Enclave officers, but never once have I seen one of the armored enclave troops be female. Also I have never seen a female Talon Merc. Raiders seem to run about 50/50. So I would have to agree this perk would benefit female characters over male. As for the conversation options, I did most of the ones listed with a speech check anyway so I don’t know how much the usefulness of those are, perhaps if your speech is low it would benefit you. ReapTheChaos 06:48, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

The usefullness parts are for who it applies to. Just because some people do not use the perk does not make the usefull parts not usefull. The usefull parts are for people who do, or as incentive to. Hell, a gun's usefullness is to kill, but if someone played a pacifist character, the gun would not be usefull to their playstyle (counter in fact) but that does not debunk the usefullness of a gun for people who DO want to kill their enemies. Miumaru 02:57, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

anomaly
It seems that if you use console to add the perk that the opposite sex gets (like blackwidow as a guy), the damage shown in the weapon menu adds 10%. However, it does the regular damage without the extra 10% when you hit something.

QUESTION: Getting Lady Killer and Black Widow
If I were to level up in Vault 101, get the Lady Killer perk, exit 101 and change my sex, could I get Black Widow outside of the Vault? Or vise-versa? I might test this later but if anyone else wants to pitch in, it would be appreciated. (Forgot to sign) --AwNNeR 5 21:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I figured it out. You can not level up in Vault 101. You still gain experience and it still tracks it, but you can only level up in the Wasteland... unless someone knows how to level up before leaving the Vault.--AwNNeR 5 21:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you have the PC version, try manually adding the perk via console before leaving the vault and let's see what happens.Amitakartok 19:45, January 19, 2010 (UTC)