Forum:Why so hostile ?

Ok, hi , im a fallout 3 fan , i like it more than the original two , but i like them none the less ... now my problem , Fallout 1 and 2 fanboys continuosly annoy the shit out of me with their hating on fallout 3 , they then insult fallout 3 fans intelligence and continue to argue even when proven wrong, not all of them of course , most are great people, but lots of others are like this , Anyways , most fallout 3 fans show respect to fallout 1 and 2 even when they dont like it , they never insult it and usually quite like them ,though of course for every rule , there is an exception and there is also a few fallout 1 haters , though not s many as the fallout 3 haters , all im saying here is , why cant fallout 1 and 2 fanboys be as open minded and respectful as Most fallout 3 fans (i said MOST , folks) ... thanks for reading if you did :) 79.173.197.2 07:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You call ^ that respect? Sir, I disagree. You're a living example why Fallout 3 fans always end up insulting themselves. You're constantly annoyed on the Internet? I suggest you leave and don't come back until you've grown up enough not to be offended by simple debates. --94.112.206.233 14:05, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

i said annoyed, not offended ... and read some of their posts , they ALWAYS insult them... Fallout 3 fans simply say something about fallout 3 that they like , and are then insulted for having an opinion , but when a fallout 3 fan responds negatively and in an annoyed fashion , everyone sides with the fallout 1 guy?... stop telling people to grow up and look at yourself, yes i can be annoyed on the internet , i can be annoyed by anything that i find annoying , you are exactly the kind of person that makes going on the internet a painfully annoying thing to do ... and yes, i believe i was as respectful as can be when extremely annoyed , i said some , NOT all , i have seen that there are Many , many great guys who respect fallout 3 fans even if they dont like the game ... apologies for not signing 79.173.197.2 07:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Sign your posts dude, (4 ~'s).

Basically, Fallout 1 fans aren't ones to give up until people finally acknowledge the fundamental story problems that Fallout 3 Has regarding canon. Implying aliens started the war, making the GECK some "magical bringer of life", adding jet into the game when it was supposedly lost to time and some other things which I cannot be bothered to look up right now due to a splitting headache are some ways that have angered original fans. As a game, it is very solid, with pretty good gameplay but falls short as a role playing game.

And have you ever thought that the fallout 3 fans may be more obnoxious? Not taking the time to even just look up some details here but putting their often unresearched and illogical ideas or statements which contradict the very story that has been told over 10 years ago, but think they are experts on the Fallout universe simply because they have played Fallout 3 for 1000 hours, not even realising that its actually a Sequel of an already running series. Its the ignorance that gets many of the old fans, which is why I side with them despite not finishing either of the first 2 because of lost saves... 5t3v0 08:36, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

I will add, however, that there are always exceptions to the rule, and I did forget to mention how there are Fallout 3 fans who do at least have some background knowledge, but don't impose it overly. Or at least don't act like they own the place. 5t3v0 12:11, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

It's the internet... people are colossal dicks and since no one will ever really hold them accountable they feel entitled to their dickness. --MikeJTanner 17:16, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting how you use the derogatory 'fanboy' for F1 & 2 fans but not for F3's, while claiming the original fans are insulting while F3 fans are respectful. So this is either an outright flamebait or a laughably ironic hypocrisy. Either way it's unwelcome. Limmiegirl 18:03, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

If Jet was lost to time, then why is it in New Vegas? Just gonna throw that out there.

Also, both sides are guilty of rude-osity :P towards the other. Yes, FO3 was not a good Fallout game, and had a LOT of plot discontinuity, but Bethesda OWNS Fallout now, so like it or not, what they say goes. Also, you cannot deny that FO3 saved the Fallout Series by bringing it back into the public eye. FO3 was the first time I had ever heard of Fallout, and I was 16 in 08'. Both sides have some maturing to do.--NCRandproud123 21:26, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

I think Limmiegirl does a great job of summing this up as flamebait. XxSick DemonxX 22:22, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

I think jet was added in NV because of Bethesdas fuck up. It would make eveb less sense if it were on the east coast exclusively now. Its a sad lingering effect of another canon games retcons. Again though, gameplay wise, 3 was solid though, just was a bit shaky canononically. 5t3v0 02:13, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I do notice quite a lot of FO1/2 fans bashing FO3 and its fans, but I understand that that's the vocal minority. And personally, I like every game in the Fallout series. But the vocal minority definitely does irritate me, so I see where the original poster is coming from. Often, they're just ranting about Fallout 3 being different. I've seen a lot of things mentioned that some people claim Fallout 3 "contradicted" and in many cases they're either flat-out wrong or are explained in the game. And sometimes, the said fans just seem to take story elements that they didn't like and try to say they're "dis-continuity". That's not to say that Fallout 3's plot and setting was completely perfect, but hey, even Fallout 2 messed up a few things. The offending elements were just ret-conned later, no harm done.

As a foot-note, since Jet was mentioned: Myron's ending in Fallout 2 states that Myron and his discovery of Jet was forgotten. It doesn't specifically say that Jet itself was forgotten. So I think there's wiggle room there. Shadow Obscura 04:11, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well sometimes the explanations seem too retconed, forced, or downright dumb. That is the general Idea I get from the opinions over bethesdas story elements. Also, the same people who call those good, are the same people who are quick to judge NV for being the same. Despite... Well... If you have searched up a bit here you should know that NV is canononically accurate most of the time. 5t3v0 07:09, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Some talk about "Canon" as if it were some kind of scripture. We don't care if it is canon, howitzer or mortar, just as long as it enhances game play. Fallout 3 and NV were both lots of fun, and that's is all that really counts.DarthOrc 07:34, November 3, 2011 (UTC)DarthOrc

Thats right, YOU don't care. Some do. I've been doing a bit of research on this wiki about the Fallout Universe so I tend to side with the older Folks, but this is a Role playing game. Story matters as much as gameplay does to many-a players. An Authentic story as part of a long running franchise DOES matter to those who stuck around for the later games, otherwise they would all be playing other games and have forgotten about the series.

You may not agree, but saying Story doesn't matter to anyone simply because you don't care about it is a bit of a stretch dude. 5t3v0 11:52, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fallout 1, 2, 3, and New Vegas were all awesome. Each one had it's weak points, and each one has story gaps (Areas where the story doesn't match up to it's predecessor, or something was interpreted wrong.) and each one had parts that people just plain didn't like for personal reasons. As long as YOU individually enjoyed whichever Fallout YOU prefer, and choose to update the Wiki with legit comments, blogs, edits, ETC, then keep on doin' what you do. Enjoy good conversation with like-minded Fallout fans, and just plain enjoy the Wiki for what it is here for. This thread was pointless, simply because if you are upset/offended/asshurt, ETC, over someone's opinion here, or you happen to be one of the posters who flame other posters for their Fallout preferences, then you are missing the whole point of this Wiki's 'community' aspect entirely. Rocco 12:02, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

^THIS--NCRandproud123 18:43, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, im the original poster :) , sorry .. i didnt want this to be a flaming thread , i wanted to have a calm discussion with some of the Fo1 fanboys who insult Fo3 fans (notice i said Fo3 fans and not fanboys , im not talking about the Fo3 fanboys ) , but i do realise now that what i was hoping for was a bit ridiculous :P 79.173.197.2 07:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)