Forum:Why i hate FNV

Here's the many reasons i hate FNV.

Where should i start? Oh yes, the weapons. The weapons you find are mostly crappy pistols or shotguns. They hardly do any damage when you fight people tougher than you. And also, you never even find weapons out in the wastes, so you have to pay for more. You can only get them at shops. When you go to a shop, all they have is crap ones, and the man also has no ammo for them, and all they sell are pistols and cowboy shotguns, meaning you are stuck with a pistol for all your playthrough, and you will rarely kill people with them.

You need to increase your weapons skills and repair the guns. You can most certainly find decent guns out in the wastes, just try looking harder, and you should try Gun Runners and The Silver Rush for good weapons trading. Crimson caravan's got some good stuff too. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Also, the traits. The traits are pathetic. The fact we are FORCED to pick two is completely out of order. Wild Wasteland doesn't live up to the hype, and you will be extremely lucky if you even manage to come across a wild wasteland encounter. What a waste of a trait.

You actually don't have to pick any. You should try reading more before posting complaints. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Walls for no reason. I have lost count of how many times i have been roaming the wastes and going to somewhere, when suddenly = random invisible walls! Then i have to spend another 5 minutes finding a way around the walls. What lousy QA testing.

The walls are there to prevent you from getting outside the map or stuck in a glitch. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Weapons and armor: You'll never find weapons in the wastes, as said above, and the only weapons you find, are the exact same ones you find in stores, and they do no damage whatsoever. Armor, you'll never find any armor. You'll only find clothes: not armor. If you even manage to find armor, it will break in 2 minutes. The only armor you find is enemy armor, then you suddenly find yourself getting attacked by NCR.

You will most certainly find weapons in the wastes. And leather armor, legion armor, NCR armor, and Metal armor is in abundance all over the wastes. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC) Radio: Mr: NV's radio reports are dull and boring.

True. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

The most bad things are the armor and weapons.

Not so true. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC) Also, the story before the game such as the war is not explained, meaning players who haven't played a Fallout game will be very confused. Actually, it does give you a pretty solid rundown when starting a new game. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to throw you under the bus there, buddy. --Viper720666 01:29, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Smoky, the Wasteland Lawman.

a few notes bout ur comments: (why you hate FNV)

and

some commands to help you out 1st off:

(Press Tilde [~] Key for Console)

REWARDKARMA 1000 (Recover your Karma [not reputation] after stealing)

PLAYER.ADDITEM 000000F 9999 (Free Bottles Caps - Currency)

PLAYER.MODAV CARRYWEIGHT 6000 (set your carry capacity)

ADVLEVEL

PLAYER.SETLEVEL (NUMBER)

use the player.additem command to get ANY gun/ammo, that should sort that issue out for you... just google the rest of the codes, way too many to list here...

sure its got some bugs, I just deal with it, many other games have pissed me off more than this has, in fact I've found this game to be awesome,

tho many things would be great in it, they can save those ideas for the next sequel things like Vehicles, no Invisible walls, making it TRULY Sandbox,

it shares so much of what Cryengine (Crysis/Crysis Wars/Crysis 2)has, this Havoc Engine, and a Level editor would be another awesome thing for this game

thats bout all I can think to put down bout this atm, so yeah rather than being so crtical bout the game try to find workarounds to the issues u have with it, or wait for the Fallout game to come out, or play something else you prefer more :)

This game has obviously been rushed and has had no thought put into it whatsoever. Bethesda would have done a far better job. Obsidian was founded to make fantasy games. Let's keep it that way. Tezzla Cannon 15:32, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You aren't forced to pick traits, I find weapons all the time in the wastes, and it isn't hard to fix armor/weapons with the jury-rigging perk. This whole thing is subjective and therefore should be discounted as valid. 15:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I've been playing it for 13 hours now, and the only weapons i find are pistols and shotguns. You are also forced to pick traits at the start of the game. Tezzla Cannon 15:38, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Strange...also i do feel the game released with a questionable amount of bugs, but Bethesda imo does a good job at fixing them, i always wait for GOTY for that reason--Silverfox6000 15:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You're given the option to pick traits, but you're not forced to. You can continue without picking any. -- 15:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Why the hell would you not want to pick traits? Traits are awesome. The right traits can make a build go from good to unstoppable. Schneidend 15:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

But you lose things which already made your character unstoppable in the first place. I used traits and now i have -2 DT. Tezzla Cannon 15:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You can pick up to two traits. I only chose one (wild wasteland, it's more or less living' up to what I wanted), you just say finish/continue with out choseing any and it carrys on. I find just a lot, admitedly they are all shot guns or pistols (more or less) but that's what I like. A 9mm can cut trough a Mr Handy easy (robor brain, sentry bots and, strangly, protecertrons it can't). Yes armour sucks, but I use Wasteland Surgeon and it hasn't broken yet I never use armour anyway (I'v found T-51b, you tell me that's not good) No invisible walls for me either. All that bothers me is the a)Sleaping w/ hoes does nothing (no well rested like bonus, all you do is loose caps) and how I NEVER GOT MY TRIBAL PACK! other than that, everything's fine. 15:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't like the Kamikaze trait then don't pick it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad trait. Kamikaze + Fast Shot would be an awesome combo, for instance. Fast Shot makes each attack cost fewer action points, and Kamikaze is giving you more action points to play with. Take two ranks of Action Boy/Girl and you're up +40 AP with a 20% discount on all AP costs with Guns or Energy Weapons. Slap a fire rate increase mod on your weapons, like the Minigun or Plasma Rifle, and you get an even bigger discount on AP costs. Schneidend 16:00, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, there's no reason not to pick traits even though you can continue with creation without picking any.

Wild Wasteland is a bit of a let down. I have found three places where it kicks in and they're more subtle then I expected. I could have easily missed them even with the alert graphic and sound.

I don't know what's causing your bad luck but I and my companions are frequently weighed down with weapons of all types and armor. I CAN HARDLY DECIDE WHAT TO WEAR!

The problems with not doing enough damage is easily fixed by taking the time to change weapons or ammo (or both) depending on who your fighting.

I have never found a wall in a place that didn't make sense for a wall to be there, like on a really steep incline in an area that would be great if I could cut across as a shortcut, but apparently the developers want me to take a different route.

You're having some serious bad luck dude. 9:00 AM Pacific 10/26/2010

I am a little late to the thread, but after playing FO3 with a few different characters, I can easily see how a newbie to the series would get turned off after playing cautiously for 15 hours and not having any good swag (yet). I started my first FO3 character over after 4 hours, then restarted again after 14 hours because I realized I made a lot of stupid choices. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I also lost karma for stealing from Powder Gangers and Caesar's Legion, which is the most bizarre thing ever. Tezzla Cannon 16:05, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

lol...now your just nit picking--Silverfox6000 16:07, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

No, i mean ALL Powder Ganger, Great Khan, or CL property. I lose karma if i steal ANY of it. Tezzla Cannon 16:09, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Obsidian has established a set morality, as most games do, in their universe. Cannibalism is "wrong," even if you're starving. Stealing is "wrong," even if you steal from your enemies. It makes perfect sense in context. Schneidend 16:11, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

that's barely anything, you would have to steal like a thousand items just to go from very good to neutral--Silverfox6000 16:12, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I mean I see something. Is it caps, money, a gun ammo unique, rare or shiny? If yes then I want it. So I take it. And I'm still 'good' 16:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm more worried about if they fixed the glitch with ash piles and goo piles not vanishing after 3 days. totally ruined my energy skill in FO3. after a while piles where everywhere!!! have they fixed it in new vegas? because i will cry if i still cant use them because of that--Silverfox6000 16:16, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong with ash piles everywhere? Tezzla Cannon 16:17, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Tezzla, nobody really cares. Also, A) You must have shit luck, I've found things from 9mm pistols to Assault Carbines to miniguns in the wastes. B)YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO PICK TRAITS DERP. C) I've also found varying armor, usually it's only leather armor or it's reinforced cousin, but it's still armor. D) Not found ANY walls. E) So what if you don't like the radio? STFU and don't listen to it. F) So WHAT if you lose Karma from stealing from the Legion etc. Just because they are labelled as bad doesn't mean they ARE. Example: Sure, Legion wants to enslave everyone, but, in the end, eventually, they bring CIVILIZATION to the wasteland. NCR just want power, and will do whatever they want. Ask yourself... Who is really "bad"? Stealth Cl0wn 16:18, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm... I'm gunna say the people who (SPOILERS) played the death lottery with Nipton. I think that they're pretty evil. 16:20, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yes they are evil they are powder gangers. Tezzla Cannon 16:23, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

after a while the piles start to lag the area if you visit and kill people a lot. and something about putting a frag in a pile just to see someone explode 200ft away is just plain wrong--Silverfox6000 16:23, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

It was the Legion surely? They were Powder gangers, NCR and regular people in Nipton, they all got they're all dead now (cept crippled legs guy, I killed the 'winner') 16:25, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Tezzla dude you aren't that far into the game, do you expect vertibirds to drop off plasma caster and power armor supply boxes on you? Rootmars 16:26, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I have got up to Teh House Always Wins II. How far in the game am i? Tezzla Cannon 16:28, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * About 20% in if you're rushing through. 16:34, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

You can get to The House Always Wins, II by level 8ish. That's not indicative of a great deal of progress. Besides, that's the main quest. The best gear is always found on sidequests or in hidden places, at least that's how RPGs are supposed to work. If you came into New Vegas expecting it to be as easy to become godly as it was in FO3, you've sorely misinformed yourself. Schneidend 16:54, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wild Wasteland IS AWESOME!!! Alien Blaster FTW!!!--ImanSain 20:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

- 	Need better guns? Dude, go see the gun runners 20:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Found plenty of shotguns and varmit rifles early in the game, and plenty of assault rifles later on, heck I had Boone and EDE overloaded with all sorts of guns. The game also indicates that Traits are optional and I found 0 invisible walls. Perhaps a visit to Vault 34 is in order. As for that final comment, isn't Fantasy games what BETHESDA are famous for? Agent c 00:23, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Keith3618- The only problem i have with the game is the invisible walls if you try to climb up a hill, on many of them, you will only be able to go soo far without hitting the wall. So then you have to go allll the way around the hill. It has been tough to find good armor but i like that, because it makes you choose wisely. Laser weapons are way overpriced so just kill the silver rush guys for them. How? c-4 and bam you have a whole armory of energy weapons. Tessla id just calm down and play it through more appreacivitly (spelling?)


 * So how much did 6 charges of c-4 cost (1300 to 1500 each depending on barter, assuming you are a high enough level that it actually shows up at a store), and how many tries does it take to reverse pickpocket them all with only 19 sneak at a low level? Silver Rush has a lot of goodies but you can get it all eventually and killing them early means you can not buy from them later when you end up with plenty of caps. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Freelance7- Hey Tezzla, I know a reason why this happens to you, its because you dont have the skills to play Fallout New Vegas. The weapons ar more than just shotguns and pistols. I actually found a prototype Tesla Cannon. And the armor is awesome, I found a way to get the armor on the cover, Mister Sandman. And traits are optional, and sure, I found a lot of invisible walls, but it didnt stop me from getting to my destination. So Tezzla please when you play Fallout New Vegas again, enjoy the Strip, explore a bit, do a few side quests get a few unique weapons, ENJOY THE GAME.Freelance7 01:54, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I got incredibly upset at first with the fake walls at the tops of hills, and still got trapped in lots of glitched intersections. I tried to go Northwest out of the Goodsprings at level 3 and died about 30 times before I realized the developers really, REALLY wanted me to go a different direction. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

this is the funneist shit on this site. tezzla if your a troll then GG if not then your a massive fracking idiot

[Mallander] Tezzla, wow you must fail at this game if that is all you can find. try doing some sidequests or something to level up. that is what i found, around lvl 8 ish you start to get better weapons and items. Try this and im sure you will enjoy it more.

May be the wrong thread, since I do like the game a lot. But - following the main storyline and doing sidequests as they come up, the game's climax is around Novac: Usually the ED-E quest comes up when I visit the rocket factory (come fly with me: about 1200XP), the still in the dark quest with the BoS gives like 1400XP - in addition it is easy to complete the there stands the grass, the black mountain quest (and others) along with it. Each giving in excess of 1k XP. After this, I am lv 18 - 20, have power armor + guns and cash flowing out of my ears. GREAT - BUT no more enemies in the game after this !? No more high XP quests ? Only walk-talk-speech-check stuff for 100-300XP max and a few hundred caps (for the better! paying side quests). Really, entering Freeside after Novac and doing the related quests is utterly disappointing.


 * Novac? Did you even get to Vegas yet? There are a ton of quests that start there and along the way. NCR quests give lots of XP as well.

In my opinion Tezzla is half right: There are no good guns available to the player for the missions where firepower is helpful (a visit to V34 can remedy this to a good degree, and I think wannabe ghoul Chris gives the location). However, once guns, armor and cash are acquired, there is no more real need for them. The game just flats out and bores the player silly with errand-boyish chores and excessive loading screen waits with all the senseless doors around the NV slums. Up to eyesight to the blind I found NV to be the best Fallout game ever (special/skill/char system and story as kewl as fo1&2 - it really feels like fo1&2 with fo3 graphics). But really - those missions (ghouls & BoS) *are* the climax of the game. 91.97.34.71 20:16, October 31, 2010 (UTC)vault-dweller


 * I disagree. I've just done the 2nd Brotherhood quest (up Black mountain) and the ending at level mid 20's and veronica was bitching all the way her Q-35 Matter Modulator didn't pack a big enough punch.  Agent c

23:23, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Veronica just likes to whine. Brotherhood american princess, and a lipstick lesbian to boot... ;) GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I Dont consider the legion or NCR evil, What happened at nipton was the equivalent of bittersprings, And even killing the innocent can be considered good by purification. It matters on your point of view. If nipton had been full of nice people like goodsprings then it would of been tragic. But Nipton was full of sinners and the legion believed doing what they did was a way of purifying the wasteland. The lottery thing was sick, but it was implied to show that the legion was powerful and to make a show of what they will do to sinners. This would keep people from sinning. Its sick but its a way of keeping order. making a show of the bad behaved to make the bad behave. NCr did some sick stuff 2, Bitter springs, bombing boulder city with civilians inside it. No side is good or evil in a war, Some are just obtaining power a different way
 * in retrospect even hitler thought he was doing the right thing when he started the holocaust, but what one person thinks does not qualify as justified, even if its a screwed up person who has a misguided sense of right and wrong, and the legion had things planned out in most areas long before the war started, evidence of this is that curtis in camp Mccarran had been in the army since well, as i said, before the war between them had begun, nipton had no justification, burning a man alive, crippling someone and leaving them to die, lashing people to crosses, honestly, i feel i should have gained karma for killing them so they wouldn't have to feel the pain anymore, granted it was a city full of sin, but if you think of the vast difference in power between the legion and the gangers that mostly inhabited the city, it wasn't a show of power to kill them, it was just stating the obvious, these men were better trained, better armed, and even if the people in nipton tried to fight back they would have had no chance, i have a tendency to screw up some facts but i think i got most of that correct..lol Toolazytomakeaaccount 12:46, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

You can pick 0, 1, or 2 Traits. Also, you sir, have terrible grammar. Thank you and goodbye Demonlordraiden 03:45, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

I found this topic incredibly amusing! "Bethesda would have done a far better job" ..Go play FO3 then and those of us who enjoy challenging RPG's that actually resemble RPG's instead of action games with ridiculous and uninspired writing will make do with New Vegas. Oh, and also most of the source material comes former Black Isle staff as well as the Van Buren project, so blaming Obsidian for what you apparently think is not their domain(though I can't figure out precisely what you mean here as I recall Bethesda is responsible for far more "fantasy" than Obsidian) is trivial when Bethesda simply acquired the property and did what they wanted with it without much regard for the source material. It also sounds like you haven't delved very deep yet and are just frustrated as there are some great weapons and armor in the game including nods to the originals that are executed very well. They are rewards for uncovering and completing quests and not always obvious or just handed to you as they were in FO3, giving you further incentive to level up and play. Yes, there are glitches and remember that they are using the Havok engine but it really just sounds like you're upset that it wasn't more like Fallout 3, which most of us are VERY greatful for. FuBi0 11:33, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

At least its not like Fable3 its actually a million times better then that horrible short game, compare the re-playability and total time spent on even one play-through 45 hours+ compared to Fables pathetic 10-14 hours and has no reason to play it again we should all consider our selfs lucky. ANON!!!

So you expected to find APA MKII and a P94 Plasma Caster with 1000 MFC, 100% CND in the first hour or so of gameplay? Logical. Story is convulted? Buy FO1 and 2 off GOG or something. Traits? Traits are awesome, son. It's like having a free Perk right off the bat, even though they did delete all the useful ones, like Gifted. Besides, you'll be whining more on how the game crashes every half an hour before you'll find any good loot. Have fun with that. - CRIMINAL SCUM 23:12, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, guys, don't get me wrong, I love FNV and everything, but I am a little disappointed. I mean, I don't see how you guys aren't finding those walls, but every time I'm thinking "Hey, I should jump onto this rock and snipe" or "If I jump down here, I could go to my destination faster" and find the areas blocked off by walls. Don't get me wrong. I understand why they were put in (I believe they were an easy solution to F3's constant getting stuck in places, which I have not seen in FNV). Also, I do love the vast amount of weaponry, I'd just like to start seeing it early on. Throwing in a plasma rifle five minutes in the game might be a bit rash, but i'd like to, when I'm level six and can't take on any baddies, to be able to find, like, an assault rifle at a store. and the Strip. Wow, has something ever been overrated. I expected 8-15 casinos (and it may be a bit much, but hey, I'm a perfectionist), but they only give us 4 in the strip, and only three of those you can gamble at. Quests aren't as interesting as they were in F3. I mean, F3 had waaaaaaayyyyy less amount of quests, but they all felt totally different than the others. And in F3, there were things you could do that had nothing to do with quests. Like take on super mutants downtown in the trenches, which was bitchin. Oh, and I expected tons of companions, and to be able to have multiple ones, but not only were there the same amount as F3 and you can only have 2 (including a pet), but they are outrageously weaker! I have used 90+ stimpacs on Lily and EDE until I decided enough was enough and left them to rot. Oh, and the towns. In F3, there were probably less than half the amount of settlements than FNV, but in F3, when you go to a settlement you know that you can stock up on supplies, rest a bit, talk to some interestin' folks, check out the scenery, and be on your way, ready for your next adventure. In FNV, all the settlements are pussy-shits and dont give you crap. Seriously, I've come to traders weeks after I've last been to them and still finding only the guns I SOLD THEM!! I mean, that's just stupid. And the F3 atmosphere was so bleak, so "I have no idea if I'm gonna survive, but I sure as hell aint goin down without a fight", while FNV's is "Plan, and continue planning, and maybe, just maybe, everything will turn out okay, with only four of your limbs crippled with no doctor's bags and no ammo afterwards". That's just weak. I loved the constant warzone atmosphere of DC, but there is nowhere like that in FNV. And I have never felt as little of a tie to a faction in my entire life! NCR, they're a bunch of slimy scumbag pussies who just crave power and put it in the guise of peace and love just to get it, and Caesar's Legiona (or Kisar's, as they pronounce it) are dickbag fuckhead slavers who kill people because they can and are shitty moron losers. House is greedy and a rich bastard. And Yes Man is fucking creepy. I want to have the BoS win, to kick everyone else's ass, or to reinstate the Enclave (which I hope will be coming out as a DLC). oh, and as another point, FNV has terrible voice acting. HORRID VOICE ACTING. "My people are dead. Oh my god. Wow. This totally sucks. Huh, oh sorry, I'm just really hung over, oh, and I'm a robot." Dudes, you may have more voices than F3, but you sure don't have the quality. kids don't have as much influence or power, which isn't a major point, but it is still something that gets my goat. Oh, and I miss Three Dog. He was the voice everyone will remember, whether they hate him or love him. Mr. New Vegas, you'll just be a passing thought. Now, that's all from me kiddies. Don't feed the Yao Guai. Sombar1 03:21, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I gotta agree on the companions part. I, too, was expecting more then one companion + Rex/EDE-E. Dissapointing. Then again, maybe the game would be too easy with multiple companions, like Fallout 3 is even without. - CRIMINAL SCUM 13:17, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I loved the game but there were some very retarded bugs that sometimes ruin the experience. For example companions totally suck. The only 2 worth it are boone and veronica. Im totally disappointed from Cass and Rex. After rex brain surgery he got completely retarded, when there was a fight he was just running around o.0. And Cass spends her ammo like crazy. And also to mention the prize winning bug for retardness :)  - I went to kill all the brotherhood in the bunker - when going through the 2nd door there past the crate where they leave ammo for you and turn right there  is a small and narrow staircase you have to take to go down, well this staircase was empty regardless how many times i entererd, but now FOUR  Mark Vi Turrerts WERE positioned  there completely blocking the way ahead i had to spend 15 mins bashing them just to enter the bunker. There was one paladin on the  lower level walking into another Mark VI turret and it seemed as if he was pushing it in my direction :D. As if they knew i was comming and decided to put a barricade of something hahah :D . Anyway the game was great but it didnt had that scary feel. I played F3 a loong time ago but it seemed more gloomy and dark then this. / Trivium
 * You have to give Cass the right weapon for her skills. She is not great with anything other than revolvers and bolt-action. She will waste a lot of ammo, but is pretty deadly with a Brush gun using handloads. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ill add my feedback as well. I too feel the OP is just a troll or is just an idiot. How can you be on the big Fallout info site and not have an Idea of how large it is, how much non-main quest stuff there is to do, not know you could look up locations of rare weapons and ammo to get at level 1 even!

Again...Troll or a sad example of a gamer, either way, you sir make me feel like a god :) Nanokiss 05:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

All i hate is all of the speech checks that seemed geared towards characters who either specialize in chr or waste a perk on comprehension. i mean the speech checks don't take away from alot of the game but it makes certant quests impossible to beat. and yes you can use chems and magazines but my character only has 20 speech and no matter the combination of chems, cloths/armor and magazines i can't seem to get up to even 50 speech, which is was most of the worth while speech checks lie. i find that obsidian focused to much on stopping players from using gliches/cheats and because of that made aspects of the game almost unfair. plus there are WAY too many boarded up buildings in this game. whats the point in putting a building in a game you can't go into, wasted space in my opinion. User: festeseo 4: 58, November 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I sort of agree with the speech checks but I realized (after about 40 hours of play) that a lot of them were targeted for a player that had spent more time in different parts of the game. I did a lot of stuff out of order and started hitting speech checks of 35 when I have 60 or more, after failing a half dozen around 50.

Spoilers - One thing that was really annoying was going into Sierra Madre and having everything stripped and a lockpick skill of only 90, then finding four or five locks that were Very Hard. I figured there would only be two or three and I would find a couple more magazines, so I used my one and got something like 6 rounds of 9 mm and dirty water and never found any more lockpick magazines. What a waste of a magazine. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

To continue the off topic Nipton conversation, there is more gray area to it. The leader there said himself that it was a test of societal character. That the legion was clearly outnumbered and that the lottery didn't happen all at once. The people of Nipton were too greedy to unite. They deserved their fate. Oh, and if we're all ever really in the wasteland... don't tell me that you have a winning lottery ticket ;). I found all the guns and armor I needed, granted I'm a pistol wielding leather armor fiend. I remember there being some solid heavy armor along the way. I remedy the unsatisfying, repetitive radios with winamp. Though, I chime in for the news now and again. Notauser 11:35pm gmt-5, 11-05-10

Yes, that is where I disagree with the idea that "the Legion is evil and the NCR is good" mentality that occurs, I believe if you do not dig deeper into the factions. Many peoples reactions are "What?! how can you say they arent evil they killed crucified and burnt the town" they fail to see that the men that were killed and crucified were criminals and that the towns people agreed to help lure some people into an ambush to be killed before realizing they would also be killed. I dont agree with the way the Legion carries out its idea of "Justice" through punishment but it is hinted that these townfolk were not innocent people.

To the original post concerning weopons, ammo and apparel, the lack of consistent supply is most likely intentional. You are in a post nuclear wateland valuables are scarce and when you want something really valuable you either have to venture to find it, complete a difficult task or pay a lot of money this doesnt seem unreasonable to me. You excaggerate or you have not played the game enough.


 * You dont have to choose any trait, but that has been stated already.


 * You can turn off the radio.


 * The invisible walls I dont like either but fallout though innovative is an old school styled game (no cover system and little importance on graphics), also I've heard it keeps people from getting there characters stuckn a rock or to stop people from falling under the map.


 * Caesers Legion and the Great Khans are not plainly EVIL if you play the game more you may realize that later. You are most likely getting bad karma because you are at the NCRCF and are stealing things that are not technically the powder gangers but actually are property of the NCR.


 * Ironically you wrote "Also, the story before the game such as the war is not explained, meaning players who haven't played a Fallout game will be very confused". The first fallout game I ever played was Fallout 3. I went on my computer and typed in "Fallout wiki" and tried to learn some of the backround story I also went to youtube to watch some intros, endings and cutscenes.

"This game has obviously been rushed and has had no thought put into it whatsoever."

Rushed? Yes I believe you could say that but I have heard that Bethesda usually builds game engines from the ground up (it took them 5 years to make Fallout 3). Obsidian basically used the same engine as fallout 3 did because developing a new one would have taken much longer. I believe the story is much better and that the game is terrific but that is simply my opinion. "no thought put into it whatsoever" Dont be that guy, exaggerations like that makes you rant lose what little credibility there is to be had from legitimate grievances.

"Bethesda would have done a far better job. Obsidian was founded to make fantasy games. Let's keep it that way"

Bethesda made Oblivion, a very popular fantasy game. In fact Fallout 3 was compared to it numerous times. Obsdidan I believe has some of the original creators of the first two fallouts, what makes you think you have the perspective to claim who has the right to make a game in franchise they created?

All in all grievances are flaws with a game, what you have listed seems to be frustration with game mechanics and that seems very foolish, it would be simliar to me playing a football video game and complaining that I dont automatially make every pass or field goal Gdubs 14:59, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

the khan's i never said were evil, in fact they had a right to be violently against NCR after bitter springs, miss-communication or not if i was one of the men told to fire anyway, i would've deserted then and there, and granted the caesar's legion has good motives, or at least, seemingly good motives, but i meant fundamentally, they are bad, if killing bad people doesn't appeal to you as evil (killing is killing, right and wrong have little to do with it) and lupus does say all sins are unforgivable, so they have some things right, hell if the whole plan had gone as according and it was a town run by some caesar's legion and powder ganger's i still would've massacred the lot of them, lets not forget they are also slaver's though, and slavery by any means is not good, all in all i can see how they could be construed as just, ehhh..vigilantes? but in the end i am not going to argue good or bad because, even though its just a game, the same principle holds, good and bad are simply our own perceptions, to put a spin on an old phrase, evil is in the eye of the beholder. Toolazytomakeaaccount 08:02, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

It's funny how people get ethic tangled up with order. So... Caesar's Legion isn't evil, because they do what they do to maintain order? That's twisted. 15:48, November 7, 2010 (UTC) It's the shades of grey that makes it great. Course I have been playing City of Heroes Going Rogue alot. :)

You obviously arent playing the same FNV as me, you dont have to pick traits, you can buy good armor, and there is way more out there than pistols and shotguns, try to avoid areas that look like you cant access because chances are, you cant access them, I have only hit an invisible wall once and it barely slowed me down. The game is very bugged (which sucks) but you can find ways around it. Wild Wasteland affects the actual outcome of the game in about 5 ways, you run into some grandmas and some other BS. Honest to the radio suck, but if you dont like it, TURN IT OFF, listen to your iPod or something, but dont rip on the game because its music doesnt meet your needs, they arent going to put some Usher in there to make you happy. Stop trying to find what sucks about the game and try enjoying it for what it is. A buggy fallout game is better than no fallout game. [anonymous, 21:21 November 26]

Crappy weapons? 3 words, Anti Material Rifle. Deals a damage of 110 when it's in prime condition. Mine just so happens to be in perfect condition, you can buy it at gun runners for around 8000 caps.

I've got to admit I'm kinda dissipointed in Fallout New Vegas but only in the story (No build up I guess). I did like the DC warzone feel. When you think about though NV is way differn't because it has some traces of order or in other words it is the closer in progress of fixing old america. It is more westren then nuclear armagadon anyway. I think alot of people are dissipointed in the story because it is nothing like FO3 we all loved the story so much we compare to a new fallout game's story expecting the same in originality. The positives though are the guns, much larger selection then fo3 and the mods are a great idea. A joke of a weapon like the varmit rifle plus all the mods and AP rounds with a sneak attack it becomes a decent gun. Also there is much more shotguns because it is backwoods contry (hicktown) unlike DC wich is technolgy based. Invisible walls are crappy addition though.

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"this is the funneist shit on this site. tezzla if your a troll then GG if not then your a massive fracking idiot" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just focus on WORKING FOR IT! I've noticed the invisi-walls too, and I must say that is the only area that you are actually right in. NCRFirstReconSniper 02:21, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

What invisible walls? The only ones I've found are upon hill sides and at the edge of the map, both of which were in Fallout 3. Not to mention in Oblivion. Aside from it being a fairly short main story, the only problem I've had with it is the fact that the guy who shoots the Courier in the head, Benny, plays a very little part in the story. You'd think such an antagonist would have more of a role. You can find good weapons without buying them from stores (though there is at least 1 you have to, to get it, Minigun I think). If they gave you Plasma Casters or Anti Materiel Rifles as random loot when your say, level 25, then that'd be stupid. You can't expect to play the game for 13 hours (unless you rush through it) to find those sort of weapons, maybe 1 or 2 if you go to the right places. Pistols and Shotguns are the kind of weapons you should find easily. Have you ever been to Nevada and found people own sniper rifles in real life? No, I don't think so. Most of the problems you seem to have, can be fixed, just by being patient. And if you want to get a great weapon whenever you want, there's always the console as someone else has mentioned. --Tag! 03:34, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

By lvl 8, 2nd playthrough, I had a fully modded Hunting Rifle at maximum condition with somewhere on the order of 400 rounds of .308 ammo, with a .44 Magnum Revolver and about 100 rounds as backup. That is a pretty sweet combat rig, believe it or not. 207.245.200.54 04:57, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and how many hours did you spend on the first playthrough of your first Fallout game before you had something comparable? I just finished OWB and can now take on Cazadors unarmed, but used to run away when I would see one below lvl 10. GRPeng 18:41, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Fo:NV is ok, though i do prefer Fo3 .. NV is too civilised, doesnt actually feel like the war ever happened , in 3 the wasteland was all a complete warzone , every body killin everybody , no politics or any of that shit , yet there were still morals and grey areas , and the main story actually felt like you were making a difference (though broken steel didnt show much of the difference, i admit) .. NV story doesnt really feel very important and the fight for new vegas doesnt seem worth it ... though i do like the fact that they added tons more weapons and iron sights and stuff, as well as mod-able weapons ... in the end i like Fo3 for its atmosphere ,Map , quests , and story .. while i like NV for its weapons,its ways to use those weapons,its perks, and the reputation system thing (By the way , my username was Philfredobob an i cant remember my password , so i cant sign in so people forgive me if i dont sign or any of that :( ..)
 * Because 200 years after an atomic war the world would still appear like it was only 30, like in FO3, isn't? Brfritos 18:41, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Most of the people in the capitol wasteland had only just started advancing and getting civilised, cause they were being butchered by the east coast supermutants until Lyons arrived and decided to try and help , his troops beat back the mutants and are now struggling to keep them back , so most of the capitol wastelanders (apart from those in rivet city) have just started building settlements .. so yeah, it does appear as if folks havent acheived much , and for a reason

The only problem i have with NV is that it feels more like a prequel or dlc compared to F3. Plus i can name so many more memorable moments, locations, characters, etc. in F3 than NV--FalloutKiller 17:07, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

im not going to repeat the obvious points that you all have made on tezzlas opinion. but you guys are harsh, what if tezzla really was a noob or was new? is that anyway to try to help a new fan or a member on the site? granted hes probably not just by the way he states the 'opinions'. whats all this arguing about whos good and evil? i say they both are just doing the easiest thing to survive and whatever is necessary to spread their agendas. is that any different than any other government. and why are the powder gangers labeled as evil? i personally sided with the powder gangers against goodsprings, the gs citizens were nice but the pg are protecting the town and doing the same thing the ncr or cl would do. and at the ncrcf, would you like to be a prisoner of a faction that forced their way of life on you? or would you fight for your freedom? oh and on another note, fo3 & fnv are both great games for different reasons, if they could just combine the different aspects for the next one.

To me seems a little schizophrenic that you get bad karma from stealing from Gangers, but good karma from killing them...? It would not be a problem if something is listed as stolen but you do not lose karma. If you defeat the Gangers, Goodsprings does not seem to need protection. They were shaking down Ringo's caravan for caps but would not have protected them if the caravan encountered a dozen geckos 200 yards down the road. I lured bloatflies East of Jean Sky Diving up to the Gangers camp and they ran away like it was a herd of deathclaws. :D GRPeng 16:23, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Only thing I hated was the gaps in terrain id stumble across far to often when in hills or mountains. lazy stuff! I also found plants floating in mid air where they just slapped terrain together. They clearly did not take as much time building the Mojave as they did with the capital wastes. Sorry fallout fan boys but for all the original teams hype for making better games the FO3 team put together a much neater game. that said the game has good points. good story although I did love the FO3 story as well and good variation in enemy and weapons/armour. FO3 is so lame in terms of enemies.

A good game that could have been better if it was not so half arsed and dare I say rushed.

--TH1RTE3N 21:53, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well as for the rushed part I and many other can blame Bethesda, or the makers of Fallout 3 for that. Trying to compete with fable 3... which apparantly was pretty lackluster compared anyways. 5t3v0 10:39, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Fable 2 and 3 are a bad joke... other than those sexy Tim Burton style graphics and atmosphere the game is totally hollow. An action game where you cant actually get killed and fail? what is even the point of touching that... --TH1RTE3N 16:59, September 17, 2011 (UTC)