User talk:VvAnarchangelvV

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 * Ausir 10:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Reception
You could've looked at Talk:Fallout 3 before restoring the previous version of the Reception section. Ausir 11:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC) yes, i should have, but in the end it didn't matter much. I still have objections to removing Reception, as shown on Talk.

General Response
Thanks for the congratz. I'm pretty sure I did hit the Undo button. But thanks for the feedback. -- (Middle Man 01:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)) I bet you did, thinking about it. I was going by the lack of Revert text that the server automatically adds, but I guess you typed in your own text. VvAnarchangelvV 11:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Get 3-step plasma transformer for Skeeter
The link is blue for me. Did you try ctrl+F5? Ausir 08:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Categories and links
Thanks for adding the missing quest articles. Could you, however, also add categories and relevant links to them, like I did in Find a way into the Sierra Army Base.? Ausir 12:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Surely. In the next couple of days, I hope. VvAnarchangelvV 04:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Gunpowder Treason and Plot
I didn't mean to step on your toes, just thought I would correct the article.

Limited money supply
Traders in Fo2 do respawn their money, for instance, the casino pawn shop in Redding. Or are you simply referring to the amount of it? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 05:41, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I have been missing out. If you step onto the red zone and then back into town, or another town zone, the money will all respawn? VvAnarchangelvV 11:18, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just letting you know.
I see that you're helping around here in The Vault, but I just wanted to let you know that most of the things on here, don't need to be capitalized. There is an anti-capitals project going on right now. Things such as "tin can", that doesn't need to be capitalized. Also, people that share the same numerous name, such as raiders, mercs, slaves, super mutants, etc., they don't need to be capitalized. TrailerParkApe 07:17, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do as you like, but I will not participate. Those are proper names. They are the same object, over and over again, they are a game element, and their only real life existence is as that game element. They are not tin cans, they are Tin Cans.
 * However, I do support the capitalization of item names in article titles, as you did for Rock-It Launcher. VvAnarchangelvV 01:25, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would also like to make it clear that I will not be changing uncapitalized names gratuitously, e.g. unless I am already doing something else on that page, and changing saves bytes. Edits take up far more space than heavy-traffic articles, which is the best possible reason for inclusionism (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anarchangel section How many bytes does an edit take up?) VvAnarchangelvV 01:41, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding "do as you like, but I will not participate" - you don't have to participate, but it would be unwise to make edits that run counter to the capitalization project or any other standardization project on this wiki. If you don't like it, then click the "Create a new wiki" button at the top and make your own Fallout wiki. -- Kris  mailbox  02:01, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are not User:Ausir, pal. Your statement, and indeed your entire project, has little merit and no standing other than what you can make others believe it has. 'Like it or leave it' is an offensive and unproductive way to put forward a claim of authority. As you actually have no authority, it is merely laughable. And finally, if I really did not like it, I would be contacting Ausir or a Wikia representative, not fleeing.
 * I have created one Wikia already, and that is quite enough of a task.
 * It is good to know that I will not have to spend time composing reasoned arguments with you, as you are incapable of responding to them. But I have to keep in practice. VvAnarchangelvV 02:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know if you really are going to make such a fuss about it then why not send an email or somthing to ausir, he has to approve all projects that will be started, Stop taking it out on us. -bleep196- 02:56, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, yes, I do in fact have some authority; but don't take my word for it. Second, I'm not one of the folks on the contributors list for the decapitalization project; I'm not committing myself to large-scale page overhauling, though I do a few pages here and there, or maybe a section of a page when I'm in the midst of editing it, and any new text I write follows with the guidelines of the project. So why even comment on your page? Simple; I'm trying to avoid extra work all around, for you and everyone else who would need to come along and fix your errors. Third, as -bleep196- mentioned, Ausir is on the list of contributors of that project; in fact, he essentially spearheaded the project from the start.
 * I understand and appreciate your desire to improve the wiki; all I ask is that you do so within the guidelines set forth by the admins of the wiki itself; and the only two people who make such guidelines are Ausir and Porter21. Anyone can propose new guidelines, but they're not enforced until one or both of them say so; and usually they're put up for discussion and voting. -- Kris  mailbox  03:13, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know - as one of the administrators (which is a rank just one step short of full bureaucracy) DeadlyKris and indeed anyone in the Vault's administration roster has full authority to settle down conflict disputes. You don't get promoted to administrator for nothing, so respect that. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:21, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I was going to leave you am message about your reversal of decapping, but I already see you have been told in the past. Your obvious refusal to follow the Vaults policy and general augmentative attitude towards others in regards to the policy has now earn you a 3 day ban. Take the time to read and understand the policy to prevent future bans. GhostAvatar 04:14, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been working on the Vault, albeit more off than on, for three years, and on many other Wikia projects as well. Most of my wiki work has been done on Wikipedia, though
 * "Projects are not intended to give a group of editors certain authority over a set of articles" (The Vault:Projects)
 * Administration duties are rightfully given to those who perform many useful edits on a Wiki, but many of their functions are less wisely bestowed on those who lack real world experience and judgement. GhostAvatar is an administrator who broadly interprets the scope of a project instituted by others called the "Anti-capitalization project" that treated in-game items, locations, etc, as though they were real world items ([[The_Vault:Anti-capitalization_project "The anti capitalization project is a project making the whole The Vault be latest policyish."). When it was brought to my attention, I objected to the project on the grounds that an in-game item should be treated as a proper noun. I have since come to accept it as, although not in keeping with the precedents set by Wikipedia, preserving an in-universe perspective, where a Fission battery might be a commonplace item.
 * However,|not only is it my habit, and normal English, to capitalize the cardinal points of the compass, as reverted here by Ghost], but to make such things lower case is stretching an "anti-capitalization policy" beyond what I can even rationalize to myself in the name of keeping the peace. Spellings within articles are not necessarily infractions of a capitalization policy, when they can be accidental or in ignorance of the policy. The capitalization policy is, furthermore not enforceable under the Vault's own policy, as the note at the top of the Projects page, shown above, points out. And finally, no spelling error should be able to be grounds for a user block.
 * Real world history has long been a part of the Vault coverage of real world locations that feature prominently in the Fallout games. I do not believe it is coincidence that only 11 minutes after I noted on the talk page that removal of the history of Georgetown was an 'editing travesty', GhostAvatar blocked me for three days. Be

that as it may, the reason he actually gave is if anything more flimsy still.
 * I would have discussed this on Ausir's talk page first as GhostAvatar and even the others above are relative newcomers here, but it appears the block notice is in error when it states that blocked users can contact administrators. I am contacting Wikia directly to discuss this error in blocking procedure. (copy of the above sent to http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact)
 * VvAnarchangelvV 05:37, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Wikia has no jurisdiction over our own policy wikia:help:Help:Blocking. So feel free to contact them.
 * 2) Wikipedia has no precedence or relevance here. This is not Wikipedia.
 * 3) You are failing to realise that not only is it a project, but it is also policy. So yes it does have certain amount of authority The Vault:Editing guideline. And as such can constitute a blocking offence The Vault:Administration policy
 * 4) You are grossly miss-quoting the project as having no jurisdiction, while projects don't constitute policy. Policy can be implemented via projects.
 * 5) It is not normal English to cap compass directions when talking about direct.
 * 6) Ignorance of the policy is no excuse, especially when you have been told as above.
 * 7) You was not blocked for real world referencing, so why even try and bring it up as a defence. You are simply trying to attack the person and not the argument, by trying to bring the person into disrupt with irrelevant examples to the actual matter at hand.
 * 8) You are right, it was not coincidence. It is good practise to review the most current edits of a contributor who I believe has made a bad edit. This is to ensure and maintain the standards of the Vault. Hence why I was going to drop you a message about not capping after reviewing a few edits. That was until I saw you have already been told and you general attitude towards it and other Admins. Hence the block as I determined it was a futile exercise to discuss the matter that has already been addressed in good faith by others.
 * 9) Length of time here is irrelevant. It does not award you any such privileges or exemption from the policies.
 * Finally, if "but many of their functions are less wisely bestowed on those who lack real world experience and judgement." was an attempt at a insult. Continuing in such a manner will result in a further ban. So as I said before, I would use the time to read The Vault:Policies and guidelines and adhere to them in the future. GhostAvatar 06:32, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * And a FYI, it wasnt just the west edit, there was others such as where you had reverted already decapped place names.

Nuka-Cola Quantum
The fact is, it is mentioned in the background as containing it. Plus there is no evidence in the Fallout universe that Strontium-90 is in fact radioactive. Adding real world information to a pages content is irrelevant. GhostAvatar 03:33, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing you have said that has any relevance to the content added to the page, or what I said about it, is your assertion that the real world is irrelevant. Even if this was not absurd on the face of it, and contradicted by scores of pages in the Vault, this is entirely your assertion. Every single real-world Washington DC location in the Fallout 3 game is a testament to this error.
 * In fact, the relevance of real-world content is backed by the only part of the anti-capitalization policy that makes any sense-that uncapitalized nouns are real world things. Whereas the rest of the civilized world believes that fictional things are proper nouns, and should be capitalized, the anti-capitalization policy leans heavily on the real-world spelling of names. So what's it going to be? Real world? Or caps? Gotta choose one, can't have it both ways. VvAnarchangelvV 03:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

""Real-life Strontium-90 is a constituent of nuclear fallout that can only be obtained through nuclear fission; toxic as well as radioactive, it replaces the calcium in bones." Not one iota of that statement is in the background, no matter how many times you say that." To which I would add, a statement that begins with "real-life" does not merit repeatedly saying "This is the Fallout. Where is the evidence that Sr-90 is radioactive here?" Glad to see you finally noticed that it was real-world content. But do you honestly believe that Fallout developers wish to portray nuclear fallout as not radioactive? Occam's Razor, as you are so fond of saying. VvAnarchangelvV 03:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * When it comes to radiation, basing solid information on the real world is irrelevant. This is fundamentally confirmed by the very existence of ghouls etc. It is also confirmed by the terminal entries for Quantum. Nuka-Cola plant terminal entries lists the only symptoms for the current production formula as being dizziness, nausea and impaired vision. This goes completely against real world science. As for real world inclusion, might I suggest you actually read our policies again and get off your high horse on thinking you are right. GhostAvatar 04:10, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * You would seem to be laboring under a misapprehension. I have stated over and over that these are real-world facts, but you now insist that this does not prove that it is so in Fallout. I am not trying to prove that Sr 90 is as radioactive in Fallout; on the contrary, I think your example of the terminal entries would be an excellent comparison with the real world facts. The fact that the laws of the Fallout universe are different to the real world is in itself a good reason to point out the differences.
 * The Vault:Content policy specifically mentions comparisons between real-world weapons and Fallout weapons. Logic dictates that in the absence of any mention of limitations on other real world facts, that all other real world facts, within reason of course, are considerable as content. VvAnarchangelvV 04:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * That policy only refers to weapons and nothing else. As for its inclusion, I would suggest you read the behind the scenes section of the contents policy. As for differences in Fallout to real world, that is covered in Divergence already. GhostAvatar 04:52, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Look, this has become, literally, a pointless discussion, although - while speaking to him in chat - it took GhostAvatar forever and a day to finally get to the actual heart of the REAL reason why it's pointless, instead of just spouting

Angel, I'm on your side in this, and (hilariously enough) you and I quoted the same piece of policy to him and argued the exact same strain of logic to him independently of one another. However, eventually he brought up the reasonable point that this is a matter of policy and thus isn't something that he can make a ruling on, alone.

Since this was first brought forth by you, I strongly suggest (bordering on urging) that you post the matter in the forums, along with your arguments, as the only way that something like this can be decided is in the public forum, which gives everyone an opportunity - whether or not they take it - to cast their opinion on a specific topic that affects The Vault.
 * Trouble is, I don't care. It can go or stay. The principle of the thing has been upheld: GhostAvatar, for reasons of incompetence (my guess, a lot) or deception (my guess, a little) twists logic into knots, and we have shown a reasoned argument that would persuade any reasonable person. I even held out the olive branch with the "your example would be an excellent" offer, but no.
 * I trust crowds even less than I trust admins, but I went to the forums, and they are banning political symbols and then patting themselves on the back for allowing free speech in the same breath. No, we're done here. And I may well be done with this wiki as well. Contributing to a fetid nest that narrow minded poseurs have built around themselves validates their legitimacy even if it survives their censorship. VvAnarchangelvV 17:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

-- The Arcadian Rook(talk)User blog: Arcadian Rook 05:03, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to say I agree with Ghost, the properties of radiation in Fallout are completely different to those in our own, and that real world information isn't relevant. --User:Cartman! User talk:Cartman! 05:28, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Et voila, the dittohead. Disdain. VvAnarchangelvV 17:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)