Talk:Vulpes Inculta

The Hanged Man?
Anyone else think this is basically going to be the character Joshua Graham was supposed to be?
 * -For anyone who doesn't know, Joshua Graham is "The Hanged Man", a character who was supposed to be one of the first companions the player would get in Van Buren. He was originally Caesar's right hand man until Caesar had him burned and tossed into the grand canyon for a failed attack on the Hoover Dam.--Volundarkvioa 11:48, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Watching Fox seems like a weird name for a Mormon. Nitty Tok. 11:58, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unlikely. The Hanged Man was a possible companion. Vulpes Inculta doesn't looks like a possible companion.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 09:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Eyewear?
What is he supposed to be wearing over his eyes? It looks like a blindfold. Nitty Tok. 13:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, like one of those sleep-aid type of blindfolds. Kris   mailbox  13:58, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think hes wearing that cuz hes blind.Shadow 14:55, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is normal eye protective gear. The image is just too dark and so it looks all black.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 09:55, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like some one went into paint and made that eye wear thing... photoshop too expensive for those who want to ruin the fallout new vegas pre release pics.

That last one was me sorryNico-legend 10:22, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right. I stole Bethesdas video to paint black eye wear over his face to later make screenshots and upload it here.--Mr.Lexx(talk) 18:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

sorry but thats what it looked liked. Nico-legend 11:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Killing him at Nipton
Does anyone know what exactly is tied to this character quest-wise?

It seems like if you kill him in your first meeting with him at Nipton, it marks you ineligible to complete Cold, Cold Heart (even though there really isn't any reason to do so).

Are there any other quests that you will miss out on if you kill him at this point? Wallach 13:07, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Not a quest per se, but after walking out of tops casino he approaches you in a normal suit and a fedora hat abd tells you xeasar would like to meet you.

--I killed him too, just a few sticks of dynamite and a sneak attack... I hope this doesn't cause any game issues, I mean, he invited me to "attack him and see where it got me."

If you kill him at Nipton you fail the quests "cold, cold heart" and "the finger of suspicion" so u cant do the legion side of the quest "I put a spell on you" anymore. --Mosh 16:31, December 08, 2010 (UTC)

Path
I followed them when they left Nipton, all the way to Camp Searchlight, where they got slaughtered by the NCR. I reloaded and turned off AI, so Vulpes could proceed unhindered, and he went all the way through Camp Searchlight, eventually stopping in the middle of a rock on the other side. I'm guessing Camp Searchlight is the end of their path, and they are meant to die there. Yeryry 12:27, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

They have very bad pathfinding and attempt to cut a completely straight line, often getting stuck on objects and on hills, you may have to help and nudge vules a few times. I killed the ncr at searchlight for them and they continued on to cottonwood cove and then the soldiers dissapear at the barge but vulpes stays, also it should be noted that if they get killed at camp searchlight the dialogie will assume that you killed him, although im not sure it affects relations at all.

'Notes' section of the article
"Vulpes Inculta translates from Latin to 'desert fox'"

-- I'm afraid that's just not true. I can understand though where the false translation comes from. And it's no secret that game developers are generally underqualified when it comes to latin grammar. Still a correct meaning can be rendered into English as a 'shaggy fox' or possibly a 'barbaric (meaning uncivilized) fox'. Therefore an assumption concerning Rommel is wrong as well. I suggest for the 'Notes' section to be edited if there are no objections.


 * Actually, "Inculta" has several meanings. "Desert" is just one of them, but I think "Desertus" is used as an adjective, let's say: "it looks like a desert". As for "Inculta" in this particular case, I believe "Vulpes" is "belonging" to "Inculta" and not the other way around, like "Inculta" affecting the condition or making a description of "Vulpes". If "Vulpes" belongs to "Inculta", then "Inculta" runs as a noun, and not like an adjective. To conclude, "Inculta" would be more adequately translated as "Waste", so "Fox of the Waste" is a lot more reasonable. --Dairydian 12:59, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the way of thinking you just described is quite natural for an English speaker. However, it is wrong. Let's not forget that Latin has it's own syntactical structure, which differs from English one in many ways. For instance, you've completely forgotten about cases of a noun. True, the word "inculta" might sometimes be translated as a noun(!) "desert", meaning literally "uncultivated land". It is comprised from a prefix "in", which bears a meaning of negation, and a radical "cult" meaning "to tend to", "to cultivate". But if we were to admit that "inculta" here is a noun, this noun would be in a nominative case, a case of a subject. That would mean, that "inculta" is an "actor", so to say. On the other hand, we've already decided that "vulpes" (a fox) is a subject. Can they both be subjects? No. Cutting a long story short, "Fox of the Waste" would be translated into Latin as "Vulpes Incultorum", where "incultorum" is a genitive case of "inculta". It is much more probable, that "inculta" here is a feminine form of an adjective "incultus". The adjective is comprised from the same morphemes and you could have already guessed, that it means literally "uncultivated" and figuratively either "shaggy" (unkempt, untended) or savage (uncivilized, uncultivated in respect of mind; compare "culture"). And there we have it. Obviously, a phrase "desert fox" comes to mind considering the wasteland setting and all, but nevertheless...


 * "Write it out a hundred times! If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off." Wunengzi 01:02, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that Vulpes Inculta is not particularly good Latin; the Romans don't do the using-a-noun-as-an-adjective thing like we do (instead of saying something like Telephone Booth, they would rather use Booth of the Telephone or Telephonish Booth or something).  The previous poster preferred to use incultus as a masculine substantive and then shift it into the plural (the implication being "the deserted places"), hence Vulpes Incultorum.  That doesn't sound very authentically classical to me though.  For what it's worth, the word I learned for desert was solitudo, which would render his name as Vulpes Solitudinis (Fox of the Desert / Fox of the Wilderness), which in turn would sound to an English speaker like it might mean Lone Fox (which is wrong but sounds good).  Anyway, to a real Roman, Vulpes' name would scan as "Wild Fox" / "Shaggy Fox" / "Rude Fox", which doesn't seem to fit his personality very well.  But hey, at least the Legate pronounced it right, with the W sound and everything, which I guess counts for something :)  Hapaxlegomena 21:01, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's still one of the best threads so far here in the wiki, even if it's related to a dead language inside a game. So, what it will be then? "The Fox of the Wastes"? "Savage Fox"? Do we have an admin to look at this? --Dairydian 00:12, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * "So, what it will be then? "The Fox of the Wastes"? "Savage Fox"? Do we have an admin to look at this?"

I'll try and put it as clearly as I can. :) "Desert fox" = bad! "Fox of the Wastes" = bad! "Rough fox" (which was cleaned out from the article earlier) = alright, but a tad ambiguous. "Shaggy fox" = fine! "Savage fox" = OK! There's no need to choose between the last two. They can stay together, because the original meaning here is vague. I took the liberty of editing the section a few days ago (I wasn't sure if anyone was reading the discussion).

-- why has no-one bothered to post anything on the page about this? it's interesting! whatever it actually translates to, I think we can all accept that the developers intended for it to mean 'desert/waste[land] fox'. If any latin enthusiasts disapprove, then simply state that it is debatable. It may not do justice to the concise format of the site, but, more importantly, it's though provoking! --TheNerper 19:23, March 21, 2011


 * The main reasoning to why it is not there is given above. The original meaning is vague and cannot be accurately pinpointed and thus does not belong in the article. If a dev said "yes it means this or that" then great we would use it but they didn't. Using a google translate also doesn't work right because of the language. That is why all discussion is here. I agree it is interesting but we need fact before the article gets the info. --Kingclyde 04:31, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid most of you are more or less completely wrong. Vulpes Inculta IS a correct Latin phrase. None of the developers may have been Latin scholars, but it is quite clear none of the above wiki editors are, either. Fortunately, I am. Incultus, Inculta, Incultum; it is an adjective, cultus meaning 'cultivated', "incultus" meaning not cultivated, with the implication that it cannot be. It generally is translated as desert (or wasteland). "Vulpes" is a fifth declension noun and therefore feminine, thus it is in agreement with the femininised adjective "inculta". Guys, It does literally mean "Desert Fox". "Wasteland Fox" would also be completely correct. As someone who actually speaks Latin, I am going on record (as Vox clamatis in deserto? :D) here to tell you this. Ironlion45 11:06, November 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the insults. We never claimed to be "scholars" of the Latin language nor does it imply that anywhere. It is policy not to add something that the devs did not actually say that the person/weapon/place was named after or is based on. It's just policy. Congrats on being a scholar of the Latin language, but try not to come in here and belittle everyone else. I have an open mind to learn new stuff but to come in here as you did is a little pompous. Cherrio.--Kingclyde 20:02, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * The point I was making, and yes spanking everyone a bit too, was that it simply does not do on a wiki for people to pretend that they know what they're talking about when they do not... it's one of the biggest problems with The Other Wiki too. Ironlion45 22:57, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

When he encounters you on The Strip
What is he wearing?
 * Gambler's outfit and a fedora, he gives you the mark of Caesar.

Do not avoid him at the Strip!
When I came out from the Tops casino holding the Platinum Chip, he ran up and told me I had to go meet with Caesar. I didn't want to, so I reloaded from inside the casino and upon my exit, ran as fast as I could away, and then fast traveled somewhere else, to avoid him. While I fast traveled, I still got "Map Marker Added" for Caesar's location. I fast traveled back to the Strip but as soon as I arrived, Vulpes ran up to me and said "Caesar awaits." He immediately engaged me again with "Caesar awaits." He repeated this over and over. I tried to get away, but he was stuck in a loop. I managed to get away by fast-traveling, but as soon as I showed up at the Strip again, he was in my face, saying the same thing over and over. I couldn't move, because he kept engaging me with the same line. I finally managed to break free by punching him in the face and running: Only then could I move around. Once I put my hands away, he changed back from enemy to friend, and was in my face again. Everytime I want to move around on the Strip, I have to punch him and run. I can't kill him or I will be shunned from Caesar. --Deboriole 17:38, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Brotherhood-like quests
I recall one of the developpers saying that Vulpes was one sick f*ck and that he provided you with Dark Brotherhood-like quests where you had to assassinate people. It was dropped? --Papapudding

IS HIS GAMBLER SUIT UNIQUE?
Looking at the suit he is wearing on the strip is clearly black, but the other gambling suits are not. The dapper is grey and the other has a vest

~With a bit more info I could try to help. What is the Base ID code ?

Sig line : That was broke afore I got here ; p 19:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

One can win the same gambler suit and hat by gambling at the Atomic Wrangler. Cornelius Plautus 05:03, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Death at Nipton
If you kill him at Nipton, who takes his places as emissary of the Legion when you reach the Strip? -- 11:28, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

To answer my own question: Alerio -- 17:22, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Killing Vulpes at the fort
When I've killed him at the fort (along with Caesar and his other bodyguards), his body seemed to disapear instantaniously upon death there. This happens whenever I choose to kill him there (ie by saving Benny). Now is this a bug, or is it intentional? If so a note about it should be put into the article then?Wyrmalla 22:29, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it still happens to me all the time. With how much they've patched the game, I'm surprised that they haven't fixed it yet. --NuclearAnamoly 00:52, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Base / Ref Vulpes in the Desert
Other times I played through New Vegas I had met Vulpes outside the town hall & finished cold cold heart. Then gained enough reputation to be offered Legion supplies. After restarting the game again, I've far surpassed that point by at least a week of game time & still no offer for the suppy drop. I tried placeatme with his base id from Nipton but that just loaded him in the doghelm. Anyone know a working base or Ref id for Vulpes Inculta in his desert disguise ?

Sig Line That was broke afore I got here ; p 00:59, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Finnaly answeard my own question Disguised Frumentarius 0015d42f is the guy I needed, Google is smarter than I am ;P

Sig Line That was broke afore I got here ; p 01:46, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

He's a coward and died a coward's death
I met him in front of the town hall and shot him in the head. Couldn't see what happened very clearly after that, since the whole crowd came after me and I had to use a flamethrower on them. I assumed I'd killed him but when I came back to search the site, his corpse was nowhere to be found in front of the town hall. However, later, when exploring, I discovered a single dog standing guard over something in a corner of the outer fence. I shot the dog, and then found the "something" was Vulpes Inculta himself, who appears to have taken his personal guard (four or five men) and hightailed for the exits when the battle started. Coward and fool, since if those men and Vulpes Inculta himself had hung around to fight me, I would certainly have been killed. Stripping all the bodies (two or three scorpions were dead as well) made a nice profit for me.

I thought it was a very clever touch to have a guy who enjoys torturing helpless people run away when the going got tough. Very in-character. Wunengzi 00:14, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. He's worth more to Caesar alive and probably has orders to withdraw whenever possible. Preserving assets, y'know? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:48, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point, but he took at least five soldiers with him. I barely survived the battle as it was, so if even two or three of the people he pulled out with had stayed and fought, I would have been dead meat. Maybe it had something to do with me using the flamethrower. Wunengzi 21:26, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * In a later game, I sneaked in at night from the area behind the City Hall, and found him standing on the front porch of that building, without one other Roman soldier in town. I shot him dead before I realized who he was. Wunengzi 12:41, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Vulpes Inculta
I wonder if there's a way to prevent the note about his name from being changed. The leapfrog stuff is getting a little bit old. Would you admins please take a look at that?

Forgot your lines Vulpes?
If you speak with Vulpes at Nipton for the first time after he gives you the mark of Caesar and your Courier has a (for me it's idolized, but it might happen on accepted too) reputation with Leigon, he will say his lines way differently than it is written on screen. like, WAY off. Does this happen to anyone else?

This happens very often on certain NPC's. - Ash the Merc

Encountering Vulpes before Nipton
The article says "If the Courier passes Nipton and first encounters Vulpes in New Vegas, Vulpes will start the Nipton conversation with a mention of that encounter on the Strip, wondering if the Courier recognizes him, after which his normal Nipton dialogue commences." I know it's in his dialog file, but has anyone witnessed this? I bypassed Nipton, met Vulpes on the strip and received the Mark of Caesar, and I've even been to the Fort and met with Caesar. I finally got around to going to Nipton, but it's the same dialog as always. --jimnms (talk) 23:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)