User talk:Newark67

Hi there!
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 * Ausir 20:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Grandpa Mack
Are you sure Susie Mack isn't actually talking about Stanley Armstrong? He is the father of Gloria Mack and Susie's maternal grandfather. Ausir 20:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd just assume that it is Stanley, actually, and redirect Grandpa Mack to Stanley Armstrong. After all, the game does feature one of Susie's grandfathers, so it makes more sense to assume that she refers to him, not to another, unseen one. Ausir 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for adding all the guide-only characters. We could also use a page on Vault 101's original Overseer, there's some information on him in the guide too. Ausir 22:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Some editing tips
For all articles new that concern Fallout 3, please add at the top of the page. Also add the tag there if the article doesn't have an image yet. And please make every date a link (the first time it appears), so that it links to the Timeline. Thanks! Ausir 19:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please also add to the bottom of every new Vault 101-related article (and old ones too, if it's missing). Ausir 04:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Merging
I'm not sure we need separate articles for all that minor stuff. Maybe we could merge some of them into larger articles, e.g. at Furniture or Fallout 3 furniture? Or is there enough to write about them to keep them separate? Ausir 21:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ausir's right, making separate articles for those is completely, utterly pointless. Make a single, general article ( Furniture ), about what the people in the wastes use as furnishings, or different styles (tribal, survivalist, scavenger etc.), but for M'Atra's sake, don't create articles that serve absolutely no useful purpose. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 22:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if Newark wants to write about things that don't always interest me or you, that's fine. Not everything in the wiki has to be interesting to everyone, and I definitely do find many of his articles interesting. However, I do think that some of his articles would be better merged than separate. Ausir 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Try contributing USEFUL things
For pity's sake, quit making pages for the most profoundly pointless, asinine things imaginable. Waste incinerators? CARPET? Nobody cares, and you're just making yourself look like an idiot. Blutteufel
 * I don't think the Waste Incinerator page is that useless, but I do think it should probably be merged into Vault 101 Life Support System. Ausir 22:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither page contains any useful information, and the subject of each play no visible part in the game at all. Blutteufel
 * It might not be a useful part of the gameplay, but it's an interesting bit of setting information (referring to the life support system), for us lore nerds. Ausir 22:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Carpets are useless, life support is not, since it provides insight into how a Vault keeps its occupants alive. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 22:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Useful? Useless? are the articles taking up space on some server that is overtaxed ? i find them rather interesting and amusing, if you do not, that's fine too, but there's no need to campaign for their removal. just imho Game widow 23:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Misunderstanding
I misunderstood the purpose of this wiki. Please remove all my offending articles. Thanks.--Newark67 22:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't say you did. Unlike Blutteufel (who is not an admin)‎, I don't think we should have only gameplay-relevant info here, and I do consider many of your articles (such as the life support system) interesting. I also don't intend to remove any of your articles, just because I don't find some of them interesting myself. I just think that it would be better to merge some of them.
 * We've also been merging some of the functionally identical inventory items lately as well, such as the various types of Raider Armor. Ausir 22:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To elaborate, generic items (such as plates or carpets) are really pointless to include. However, for example, Vault 101 Life Support Systems ARE quite relevant, since they provide insight and valuable knowledge about how a Vault functions and keeps its inhabitants alive. Shaur M. S. Grizlin 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're entirely pointless to include either, but I do think they're better off merged than all having separate pages. Same goes for furniture and various types of plates. Ausir 22:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Hope you won't stop contributing to the wiki just because of comments of people like Blutteufel (who's been blocked for his general assholish attitude). I was just thinking of organizing some of your contributions differently (e.g. merging some of them on a larger page), not telling you to stop writing about things I don't like. Ausir 23:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Newark, please don't stop. You inspired me to put forth an entry for the color brown which plays a prominent role in Fallout 3. Love your work. Killzig
 * Yeah...how about you go troll thataway? Newark, keep contributing and ignore these "haters". Any bit of info we can pull is just as important as the next. :) Turbine2k5 ( What I am... - What I hear... - What I do... ) 23:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Images
What system are you playing on? I guess not on the PC, as then you could upload screenshots yourself. Ausir 23:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Magnetic Tape Drive
For articles like this, I think is also appropriate. Ausir 23:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Unified Operating System
Where's this name from? I recall the name "RobcOS" being mentioned in the terminals, but not this one. Ausir 00:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Some other terminals mention "RobcOS v.85 (C)2076 Robco" - probably a newer version of their system, with a more catchy name. Ausir 00:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Use of "Mr."
Hi Newark67, I just noticed you cleaned up and expanded a bunch of pages for the younger Vault 101 residents. They were greatly improved by your edits and are much easier to read, so thanks! I did notice you used "Mr. in the body of the pages in place of the character's first name though. It seems overly formal, and I had to re-read certain sentences as I thought they were referring to the character's father. I was thinking of changing them, but since you followed this methodology consistently I wanted to speak with you first to get your thoughts. (Specifically I'm referring to the articles for Wally Mack, Butch DeLoria, and Freddie Gomez.) JazzX 02:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for spotting this. I went back and corrected the entries so that there is less confusion. If you see any other articles that need further clarification, please let me know.Newark67 02:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
I tagged a few pages for deletion, the majority of which I think you added. Please don't take this personally, as I think you've added some useful articles about lore. However, in these specific articles, they contribute nothing to lore ("floor covering", "privacy screen", etc), the player can not interact with them in any way (except for standing on it, in the case of "floor covering"), and describe items that are patently obvious. The difference between a privacy screen and the RobCo OS seems somewhat obvious to me, but I'll describe my thinking here, to help you:


 * Privacy Screen: Common, every-day object in the real world, with an obvious purpose. Can not be interacted with in FO3.  Does not add anything of value to the Wiki.
 * RobCo OS: This does not exist in the real world. It is useful lore, as it was important in day-to-day tasks in pre-war times.  We interact with this (indirectly) often, in the form of terminals and the password minigame.  Some people may be very interested in game lore trivia, such as this.

While some people will undoubtedly be uninterested in game lore, it still contributes useful information to the Wiki. A privacy screen (I'm not harping on this, but simply trying to use it as an example) doesn't really contribute anything. If you'd like to contribute lore associated with privacy screens, such as James diagnosing someone, then perhaps it would be best added to James' article directly.

Again, I hope you don't take this personally or feel that you've been targeted. That is not the case. I also hope that I've adequately described my reasons for tagging these articles. Rendorax 21:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't really have any "notability" rules nor guidelines or thresholds in this wiki, so I'm not going to delete any of the articles you tagged. While I don't think articles about such minor details are needed, and I wouldn't write them myself, I also don't think there's any need to delete them when they're already written, and if someone is OCD enough to write them, it's fine by me. I think it would be good to merge some of them, but not remove from the wiki. Ausir 21:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Tenses
Please use present tense rather than past tense for world objects, like before. Ausir 11:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Bulletin Board
I noticed you removed a bunch of interesting trivia from Bulletin Board and I was wondering what your reason for doing so was. --Odie5533 01:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Never mind, seems to be back. --Odie5533 01:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

A big thanks
I just want to tell you how great you are at finding intresting information about the Fallout series and etc, I love reading a gaming wiki that isn't just about gaming tips and walkthroughs but about the story of the games and about the game's backstory, items, characters and so on, I think no one can be a "true" Fallout fan if you havent played Fo1 and 2, or at least havent learned some about the games. You are a great editor and you should keep doing what your doing! That also goes for Porter and Ausir, and anyone else I forgot.

Cardiac arrest
I deleted Cardiac Arrest since it didn't really have any information relevant to the game that wouldn't be covered by a link to Wikipedia article on it in the Catherine page. Ausir 22:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is no Wikipedia link because I forgot to add it, but it can be added easily (adding it now). I think that real world items that are actually seen in the game are fine, since we can describe the specific versions of the items, add screenshots, etc., as are fictional in-universe conditions, like Vault Depressive Syndrome. However, real-world conditions that one of the character is only said to died from are best covered by a link to Wikipedia and a redirect to the character's page from the condition, since all there is to write about it is covered by Wikipedia and by the character's page. There are no set rules for it, it's just a rule of thumb.
 * If someone wants to know what cardiac arrest is, the Wikipedia is more useful than any article in The Vault would be. I think it's more useful now for people who search for cardiac arrest to be redirected to the page for the only character in Fallout known to die from it. Ausir 11:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Seriously?
Do we really need such pages as Couch, Playpen, Bedding...etc? It seems like these pages lack the new or significant information that would normally necessitate article creation. Techercizer (say hi)(pwnage) 19:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't like the pages, don't read them.Newark67 19:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It goes beyond the level of me simply not liking your pages. You've created more than three brand new articles in this day alone; it's approaching the level of spontaneously creating empty pages with little to no game significance or relevant information, I.E. spam. Techercizer (say hi)(pwnage) 22:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the articles on containers, world objects, etc. While not very interesting to me personally, they describe items actually found in the game. Stuff like Big Game Hunter is a bit over the top, though. Ausir 23:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And, your job, Ausir is to approve or disapprove of any article I write. If they don't fall within the limit, you will delete them. I will never deviate from what is mentioned or seen in the game. I accept your judgment Ausir.Newark67 23:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)