Forum:Rest of the World

With the exception of the Commonwealth and China little is known about anywhere else. I think it is safe to assume that the rest of the world suffered a similar fate to the US, though perhaps not quite as bad. After all, why centuries later, would other world powers such as the Russians, Arab states or the Europeans not muscle-in on US territory.

With reference to this, which countries do think would provide good environments for future Fallout games? I think North Korea and particularly Pyongyang could become a quality environment for a Fallout game. Any war between the US and China would likely involve Korea as it would most probably be the first battleground between ground troops from the two countries


 * According to the map on this Wiki, the Koreas peninsula were annexed by China at some point between 1945-2077, but I don't know how canon it is (It also has parts of the USSR as the Commonwealth). I personally would like to see J.D. Sawyer's "Resource Wars" get made, and play as a British unit trying to get across a war torn, retro-futuristic Europe sometime before the bombs fell. GaussRifle 01:27, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fallout should NEVER leave the U.S. Some of its main themes involve U.S. culture in the 50's. Knight Captain Ski (radio) 01:31, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

A 1950s' American perspective of Europe is war torn and rebuilding. Europe was hell after WWII. A reason for the Resource Wars to be created was to keep that 1950s' American perspective of Europe. Europe was a war torn wasteland before the Great War even started.-Zachattak471 June 13, 2010 21:46 ET

The rest of the world has to be irratiated because all the oceans are irratiated for example Point Lookout. And if you look at the planet on mothership zeta you will see how nasty the surface is. There are probably multiple settlements in every country considering alot of people in America survived the halocaust without vaults. And there are probably all different kinds of mutations depending on what country it is. But as far as every country getting bombed possibly not. But who knows for sure.

Europe is completely gone. Imagine if we'd dropped some atom bombs on Berlin in 1945. That's every major city and industrial center in Europe post 2077... There's a reason people are still immigrating to the U.S. after the Great War. --GaussRifle 06:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's safe to assume the remainder of the world would be similar to the Wastelands seen throughout the games, but with one key difference: China fired on the US and the US on China. So I'm sure most of the devastation would be focused in America and the unseen China. I wouldn't be surprised if continents/countries that were specifically untargeted (like Africa, South America, NORTHERN AND WESTERN Russia, and Europe) would be relatively... Um..... "less destroyed" then what we've seen so far. Now, before I get hellaflamed for that comment (Tagaziel :)), I know that they would have almost certainly have be affected by the worldwide nuclear explosions and subsequent Fallout, I'm just saying not as severely as the US and China. Feel free to rip apart my theory if it pleases you so--Black Artist 02:29, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * You forget that Europe had been involved in an extremely destructive civil war for a good 17 years before the bombs fell. Continental Europe is completely and utterly destroyed beyond belief, hence why European immigrants like Moriarty and Dukov still view the wasteland as a "land of opportunity". --GaussRifle 02:33, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, Tenpenny does mention something about that... I acknowledge your correction about the Europe bit. But for the rest of the world, do you see any problem with my theory Gauss?--Black Artist 11:47, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if Vault Tec built vaults in other countries under different names (It's a dream of mine), and the vault experiments were actually global, then you could end up with a very similar situation as post war US anywhere in the world. I'd really, really, really like to see a Fallout game in which you're a vault dweller in China, living in a vault built by Vault-Tec, but under some other name. Kinda like Coke and Fanta. Throughout the game, you uncover the truth about Vault-Tec and the global vault experiment. Then, I don't know, you go on a quest to open all of the vaults, get everyone all riled up, and go start a New World War with the US. I'd play it! 06:05, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I severely doubt that Vault-Tec, an assumedly American corporation with its headquarters in Washington, DC, would go build vaults in China, American's enemy at the time. The only reason they started building Vaults was because they were contracted by the US government as part of Project Safehouse in preparation for the possible nuclear exchange between them and China. Now, it would be possible for Vault-Tec to be a truly American company and focus only on profit by building vaults for any country that could afford them, (which would be few by 2050), but this is unlikely. --Black Artist 21:07, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Additionally, why would a private company performing a global social experiment? --GaussRifle 03:09, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Black Artist, weren't the vaults actually built for the social experiment? The whole "protection" thing didn't work out for many of them. Actually, it seems that the only ones that didn't fail were the one's that didn't get hit or weren't near the bombs at all, such as Vault 21. Also, you don't have to look very hard to discover many cases of companies playing both sides in a war situation. Once again, Coke and Fanta. Not to mention that whole IBM thing. Two examples from the same time period.

Gauss Rifle, why would a company of any kind build a bunch of high tech bomb shelters and use them to conduct cruel social experiments on their inhabitants? Vault Tec's behavior is far from rational. If their prime motive is to collect data from their various social experiments, more vaults means more data. So, why not?
 * Because they were contracted by the U.S. Government to do so, in order to see how well the population could adapt, with the plan being to colonize the moon after the war. --GaussRifle 22:06, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, the Vault Experiment was incredibly expensive. I severely doubt that many countries could afford to build such vaults, especially since, at the time, most countries were already struggling for oil they didn't have, or fighting over the oil between themselves.--Black Artist 13:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Also, pardon my digression, but if there are vaults still running active experiments, wouldn't that suggest Vault Tec is still operational, and still collecting data on them from some secret location? Moon/Mars base, hmmmmm? 18:30, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in a way, the Vaults are both active and inactive. Yes, people are still living in Vaults after all this time after the war (like 101) and even abandoned, decrepit Vaults (like 92, 22, and 11) were operational and running for a good long while until their individual problems caused them to be abandoned. But no one is "still collecting data" from them. As far as we know, they're all stuck in the "experiment phase", so to speak, with no one around to watch over the experiment to make sure its operating as planned. The closest thing to a "secret location" operated by Vault-Tec that is, or was, monitoring and collecting info on the Vault experiment THAT THE SERIES HAS PRESENTED SO FAR was Vault 0, introduced (and shut down) in Fallout Tactics. I'm not even sure if that game is considered canon to the Fallout series, so even then.... Now, a hypothetical space "vault" that would serve as a vault-monitoring headquarters would practically be a bit too far away to realistic, both literally and figuratively.--Black Artist 14:01, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

If I could go back to the original convorsation for a minute, I would have to say that the contenit (bad speller) with the best hope for survival was South America. I'm pretty sure Fallout has said nothing about South America, and as far as we know, none of their countries were in a major war. The only countries i coukd think of in South America that would get involved would probably be Brazil or Argentina. But I'm sure that, even if they were involved, it was extremley minor roal. So maybe like, 2-4 nuclear warheads even on the whole continent. For all we know, South America could be a post apocalyptic heavan.

SergeantDornan: Yeah, bbut what about allies? One country targets another countries allies. I don't think ANY country would have escaped being struck by nuclear warheads. I think everyone would have taken a hit, but that's just my guess.

I never thought of that. So yeah, your right. But, lets say each country in south america got 2 nukes, thats still not HORRIBLE. --EnergyFire

If you were to look at this realistically than the most desirable real-estate on earth at this point would probably be some place like central Africa. Far enough away from the toxic waste dumps formerly know as oceans and presumable being equally far from the great war(politically speaking). Add that to significant natural resources and bingo. Bad-People 02:31, February 28, 2011 (UTC)