User talk:Ph03n1x/Archive 1

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Ausir(talk) 10:40, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lone Wanderer birthplace
Please see Talk:Lone_Wanderer. I understand your argument from the player moveto command, but game mechanic placement doesn't mean anything as to in-game story placement. After all, building interiors are in their own worldspaces, so, technically, My Megaton House is not in Megaton at all. Please don't take your conclusions to the article pages. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 11:23, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * More directly, you can just read Project_Purity_Journals.--Gothemasticator 11:25, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand there is some debate over the Lone Wanderer's place of birth, with both sides using implied inferences. The journals do not make specific mention of the birth, other than the effect the loss of Catherine and the need to care for an infant have on plans to continue the project. What is quite conceivable is that they travelled to Vault 101 for specialist medical attention. What is certain, is that the actual birthing room used in-game is located at Vault 101. I note also that the article starts by stating that the LW's birth occurred at Vault 101. Ph03n1x 11:42, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Lone Wanderer was born in the Jefferson Memorial according to in-game dialogue by James, Li and Moriarty. Designation of cells in the GECK do not need to have in-universe meaning. Ausir(talk) 17:44, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Here's what Moriarty says about it:


 * Is that what your father told you? That you were born in that hole? That HE was born there as well? Oh, the lies we tell to those we love. Your father brought you to the Vault right after you were born. To keep you safe, you see. I remember it well -- you stayed in my saloon, after all.

Ausir(talk) 17:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing that out. I actually knocked off Moriarty because he seems dishonest and trades information for caps, even before considering his actions with regard to Gob, Nova and Silver which are akin to a slaver. So you may get the impression I don't hold what he says with much regard. Lucas Simms on the other hand (who is likewise dismissive of Moriarty) actually provides a map marker for Rivet City in dialogue, which has more pertinence to the player.

The Prouds
Doh! I looked at the page and didn't see the existing link in the opening. My bad. I'll put your changes back. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 06:41, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Knick Knack Knock Knock Pics
Thank you!--Gothemasticator 08:14, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Guns
Do you have any idea how much work you've saved me? Thanks!!! :D

Just a question, where're you getting the DPS and MDPS stats from? For my starting bit on Big Guns, I got DPS from the articles and MDPS from the table at Fallout 3 weapons. Nitty Tok. 04:15, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * DPS is correct on the individual pages, MDPS is correct on the Fallout 3 weapons page. Nitty Tok. 04:51, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

User page image tidy up
I think I've got them all (the category cache occasionally takes a while to update). Thanks for helping :) -- Porter21 (talk) 12:02, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Table on NPC overhaul page
Thanks for making me aware. I had the bot alter the progress tables to add the new column for "Interactions", and for some reason it also changed the layout one. I've fixed it. -- Porter21 (talk) 15:03, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Stole article
You stole my article i was gonna write that your'e just a copy cat man :)

Seriosly it was my idea why did you do that ??? i don't like you from now on STAY AWAY FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * ( Tommygunner32 15:25, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize phenix i thought you made the article :)

Please forgive me,,,,I thought i was the first to see em Tommygunner32 15:29, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Legion
That's a bannable offense, having more than one account. Although the most famous of the puppet masters, User:Werewolfhell, is still around as User:Dark Anomaly, because I'm sick of banning him.

But I don't see why he'd be stupid enough to copy the whole stupid story.

In addition, don't be a stereotypical moron and use "gay" as a substitute for "lame, punk-ass, etc". :P Nitty Tok. 02:36, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. Just being a Nazi about proper grammar. And not being a Nazi about racial tensions. :D Nitty Tok. 03:10, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Beatrice and Greg
When we've got quests in places other than the main text, we bold the Main Questline, and put unmarked quests in italics. Nitty Tok. 13:56, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, scratch the second part of that. Unmarked quests are always in italics, even in the text. Nitty Tok. 14:07, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Files
Thanks for tagging all those. Now they will show up on a maintenance page and one of us admins can clear 'em out. It's bedtime for me right now, so I'll see if they're still there when I get up tomorrow.--Gothemasticator 09:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, not all of them should be deleted. Screenshots of things and people we have better images for - sure, as well as unused userpage images. But not stuff like e.g. File:F2coverpl.jpg which should be added to the appropriate page, but also has value simply as part of its category. Ausir(talk)`
 * The approximately 120 files (80MB) that have been tagged are all currently unused files, but yes if there are some that have merit, then they should be added to articles. However, nothing will happen unless they are reviewed, so this is a good opportunity. In the case of the Fallout 2 box art, I suspect it is not currently used as it is a Polish version, with Fallout2front.jpg being the file actually in use.   phoenix     txt    xp   10:29, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the English version is obviously in the infobox, but why not have a gallery of all the editions of Fallout games around the world? Ausir(talk) 10:31, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now incorporated the Polish cover art image into the Fallout 2 article as a gallery item, and removed the tag.    phoenix     txt    xp   11:01, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

World Objects
To follow our naming conventions, your new category really ought to be called "Fallout 3 destructable world objects." And, categories don't seem to have the "move" option for renaming, so you maybe ought to start a new properly-titled category and ask an admin to delete the old one.--Gothemasticator 09:19, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would at the moment use the Fallout 3 prefix, since our organizational plans regarding New Vegas content are not set in stone. Best to do what's true right now, rather than make guesses about what we will do with upcoming content.--Gothemasticator 18:12, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied before I saw your current version. Setting it up as a general category with a Fallout 3 subcategory is a great system. Well done. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 18:27, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I reverted your redirect from Fallout 3 and New Vegas miscellaneous world objects to the category. You should have read the discussion page first instead of redirecting the page that is meant to replace the needless separate pages for each world object with an overview table! Do not create new articles for miscellaneous, non-interactible objects (although there are some pages I'd make an exception for) and add them to the page on that table instead. And next time think or ask someone before effectively deleting pages and confusing other editors. Ausir(talk) 11:12, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
For fixing my text size! --Kingclyde 09:44, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Gary 23 12:38, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Problem report
I addressed the issue on the user's talk page. Thanks for the heads up. I believe it to be sufficiently addressed, but please let me know if it comes up again. Thanks.--Gothemasticator 04:41, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion
No problem, thanks for tagging them. - RASICTalk 12:21, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Vandals
You're welcome. Wish I'd gotten here a little sooner. Nobody should have to put up with jerks destroying their user pages. Cheers.--Gothemasticator 10:57, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

You followin' me around? :p
Merge tags - Once I'm finished adding them all, I will go back and remove the few early ones I mistakenly put on containers, like Dresser. Containers don't need to be merged.

Thanks for your attention and input.--Gothemasticator 07:11, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ongoing forum discussions of note
Hi! If you haven't already, please drop by the Forum:Wiki general discussion boards and join in some of the current discussions. At issue are questions of admin maintenance responsibilities, a new way of handling bug submissions, and table formatting, among others. I lool forward to continuing to work with you, especially as the coming release of Fallout: New Vegas brings us more content to create and organize. Cheers.--Gothemasticator 04:12, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Tanks for intercepting mine and Gothemasticator's discussion. You two have helped me create my first page (Not including my project) on this wiki. CHEERS--Vault4 11:00, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

New quotes pages
I'm pretty sure having a separate quotes page for each NPC is not a great idea. I'm going to bed now and will offline possibly until late tomorrow night. So, I can't keep up with this for a little while. Here's my input:
 * If a wider consensus is reached on the quotes pages idea, we'll have to come up with a way to group them, like overview pages. Perhaps Follower quotes, and then by location: Megaton NPC quotes, etc. Or something like that, so that we don't creat a sprawling mess.
 * See my new question on Porter's talk page. I suspect we'll need a way to link to the quotes pages from their respective article pages. And we don't have that yet.
 * Be prepared for these new pages to be deleted by other admins, since consensus hasn't been reached yet. If that happens, don't take it personally.

Keep up the good work.--Gothemasticator 11:16, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes from the template
Ha! As I was falling asleep, I figured it out. Check out Vault 87 super mutant now!--Gothemasticator 11:32, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes discussion
Check what I've said on the discussions page and tell me your deepest feelings on it.--Vault4 12:40, March 21, 2010 (UTC) P.S Thanks for your help, again.

Your welcome. What are you up? (I need something meaningful to do, as the quotes dilema will require me to wait) Also, would you back my wanting to create the quotes page (If that is what is chosen)--Vault4 12:54, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

greeting
Hello! Nice to meet you! I'm new to this wiki. I'm Enclave 13 but you can call me Enclave. hope to talk to you soon!!!  Hunk    tok   20:22, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what I had in mind. Thanks!
Let me just finish up these uncategorized files, and I'll get right back to you with more.--Gothemasticator 05:10, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right. Explain to me how the "Usage" form on the quotation template page is generated, or works, or whatever the correct question is. How can we make one of those for what you made?--Gothemasticator 05:33, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * More clearly, why doesn't what I did here work? Hit the edit button to see what I mean.--Gothemasticator 05:36, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! That's what that part of the code does! Learning as I go here...

Okay. Please don't take this down for a couple days. I want to throw it up on one of the pages... Liberty Prime... and let people see it and get some opinions. Thanks again!--Gothemasticator 05:50, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's up. Hmmm... The blue linked signature text is kinda hard to read, isn't it? Any way to give that text a white background?--Gothemasticator 05:54, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I created a test Liberty Prime page in my sandbox. Better to experiment there, I guess.--Gothemasticator 05:58, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

It's quite perfect now. Look at my other sandbox as well. To show what it looks like with no mbox and with a red link.--Gothemasticator 06:14, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you've said. Let's just both keep our sandboxes up until people get a chance to view and comment on the project page. Thanks again. I'm learning a lot by following your changes.--Gothemasticator 06:27, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Colors
BTW, is this the page you used to figure out the colors? If not, what a great page! I had never seen colrs represented as hexadeciman numbers, so finding that page was very helpful to me.--Gothemasticator 07:41, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The current color is just fine to my eyes, but if it slightly off, others will have to notice. I'm ever so slightly color blind in the red-brown-green range. (I think I see just fine, but it was all brought home when I played Resident Evil with my youngest brother: On the map screen, locked doors are represented by a flashing red bar which I just could not see. At all. He literally had to put his finger on the screen to show me where locked doors were.)--Gothemasticator 08:00, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oddly (and usefully for all of us who want to stay alive on the road), I have no trouble with traffic lights at all. In fact, I was unaware of my "disability" at all until after a routine eye exam (I wear glasses), the doc said, "Has anyone ever told you you're color blind?" Since, I have learned that something substantial like 10% of males have some measurable degree of red/brown/green color blindness. I really don't know what to make of it, except to wonder if that's not part of the reason women seem to have more names for colors than men do.
 * I'm out for the night. Gonna play some Morrowind and then bed. (Trying to figure out what all the love is about. There are long-time Bethesda fans who swear up and down that Morrowind is the best game ever. In their minds, Oblivion was a huge step backwards, and Fallout 3 even more so. Hope I can figure out what they're talking about.) Cheers.--Gothemasticator 08:16, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

image
Thanks for returning my image phoenix i couldn't do it,,Im pretty supid u see :)

do you want to be mates cos im glad u helped :) - Tommygunner32 - talk 16:43, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

More subtle
I favor Sandbox5. Thanks for continuing to fiddle.--Gothemasticator 19:01, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Image size question
Is there a way to display a pic on a wiki page so that it auto resizes to 100% of the page width? Tables can be set up to do so, but I can't figure out a way to do it with images. hmmm...--Gothemasticator 06:31, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I like it. So, tell me what kind of trouble I might cause if I size an image with the Widthpx to 975px, which for me in my browser makes this skyline pic fit like a banner across the top of my user page. I worry that by setting a large fixed width, I risk breaking the page for some users. But I cannot figure out how to dynamically resize it across the width of the page like a banner. Stumped (although i did make a nice batman userbox, so I'm proud of my growing skills)--Gothemasticator 07:33, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping. So, now I am perplexed by another thing: Go to my user page and look at it. Then click Hide on the TOC. Bah! I cannot for the life of me get the Handy Links box and the Batman Userbox to play nice together. What I think I want is their positions fixed, one above the other, and let the text content of the page flow around them.--Gothemasticator 08:07, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Playing with this stuff is cool. I'm learning stuff I didn't know. But, above all, I want an orderly user page. If Batman can't behave, he can't stay!--Gothemasticator 08:08, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Batman
Ha! I shouldv'e tried just cutting out the code that I didn't see a reason for! You, sir, have saved Batman, who was in danger of banishment.
 * I can't get the banner width to where I'm happy with it. I'll have to think on that one. I've read so many pages of wiki markup tutorials and template code and css font lists and css for full page images that stay when you scroll... my head is spinning. I'll see you tomorrow. Thanks again.--Gothemasticator 08:27, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
Out of most of the users here at The Vault, your one of the few I have payed attention to! You may have seen me around here, I'm Nukey. I also wanted to say the edits you have made are cheritable and constructive. Nukey (Tok) (User blog:AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke? 03:05, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Dynamic Image Resizing
I think I've figured out a solution, suggested by your pointers. I'm taking the image and fading it to black on both ends. This way, I can place it in a black-filled table, center the image, center the table, set the table to 100% width, and all should be good. I just have to make the image a reasonable size and let the black space from the table be what stretches to the edges of the page. Only downside will be that what you see at full page width will be an image that fades to black, rather than the full image. But, I think it will look good.--Gothemasticator 11:01, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nice work
That Enclave appearances page is shaping up! I'm learning that merging is hard work!--Gothemasticator 14:01, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Enclave page formatting
Have you considered, for Main Units and Scripted Events sections, using the normal header3 formating and including the link to the article by adding ?--Gothemasticator 05:55, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fallout_3_Enclave_appearances. Perhaps you haven't touched that section yet. But, it is similar in format to the Main Units section. I'm suggesting something like the following as an alternative:
 * ==Main Units==
 * ===Enclave Officer===
 * *Enclave Officers wear standard uniforms and hats. They are armed with Plasma Pistols and carry Plasma Grenades as backup.
 * *Enclave Officers wear standard uniforms and hats. They are armed with Plasma Pistols and carry Plasma Grenades as backup.

--Gothemasticator 06:28, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I get your question now. Sorry. :p
 * I was mostly talking just about the formatting, but now that I look more closely at the Scripted Events section, I'm a bit puzzled by it all.


 * It is organized by location and the locations are linked. But do the location articles actually give more info about the subject? I don't think they do.
 * Our Random Encounters page is indeed complete, yet it shows only 5 Enclave encounters, and there are many more than this on the Enclave appearances page. Wait. I think i get it. These scripted events are not actually encounters - well, some of them anyway.
 * In any case, what I'm trying to say is that I think there is a better way to orgamize that section than by location, links to which don't elucidate. Forget the main article tag in reference to this section. I was only talknig about the other section.

Phew! I'm a little scatterbrained. Forgive me. I have just enough sense to not actually interfere with your editing right now. I'm in the middle of a fresh install of mods for FO3, and it's a little engrossing.

Carry on, and ignore the babbling man in the corner!--Gothemasticator 07:38, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mods
It's built around FWE, which just got a major update. On top of that big one, I use a lot of quests. I'm fond of Pucemoose's mods. And then a host of texture replacers. This is what the sky ends up looking like.--Gothemasticator 08:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can recommend FWE whole-heartedly. It doesn't do quite what you think with VATS. It adds a second feature: bullet time, which is what you see in the video. VATS still exists, but the damage you take while in VATS, the playback speed, and AP cost are all configurable. So you can really nerf it, if you're tired of the I WIN button. Adding MMM into the mix adds creatures and an optional Ghoul Rampage plugin that can create mobs of 25 ghouls at some spawn points - panic city. I don't use that one. All in all, FWE makes the game play more like an FPS, but it also balances the RPG elements a lot more: it's nearly impossible to max everything, leveling up takes longer, things cost more. You really have to make more tough choices when building your character, choosing your weapon, etc. On top of all that, there are many more deadly areas at low levels. You really have to be cunning to survive the early game. I'd be glad to list for you my complete list once it's done.--Gothemasticator 08:52, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Enclave
I wouldn't put Enclave background and "emergence" on the page.

Is Influence going to be used for the Enclave's influence on daily life in F3, or a general summary of the Enclave's goals? I think I'd prefer the former. Nitty Tok. 12:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think the Enclave article covers the first two in a far broader manner. I'll put emergence back, though; it seems like a good idea. :) Nitty Tok. 12:18, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

YOO
yo how r u - Tommygunner32 - talk 16:12, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Resonance Armor
Does the code actually work? I'm doubtful. Nitty Tok. 13:16, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then. Thanks! Are there any other armors or weapons that we've missed? There's a list at Fallout 3 cut items. Nitty Tok. 13:36, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * ...which you apparently already know about... oops... Nitty Tok. 13:46, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, all of those odd weapons like the Vertibird gun have a place at Fallout 3 non-player weapons. Unlike the normal or cut weapons and armor, they don't get an article. (Except for Charon's Shotgun, which I think really doesn't deserve the page it has.) Nitty Tok. 13:58, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Suspicious
Yeah, that's weird. However, the Russian site linked to on a couple of the pages seems like a legit site. If they are spambots, they're certainly not very good at their job. Group of classmates? In any case, I've added them to my watch list, but, unless/until they do something disruptive, I guess I'll let them be for now. Thanks for the heads up.--Gothemasticator 16:34, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Verify template for use with bugs
As a first guess, it might be caching-related. I'll take a look whether I can fix it, thanks for letting me know. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems like you've found a major issue. There's nothing wrong with the template code; the category is displayed in the article itself, and if you save a page after the 14 days are up, the page shows up in the category properly. The issue seems to be that if the page is not edited/saved after the 14 days period, the wiki's database table for categories does not update (causing the page not to show up in the category's article listing although the category is displayed on the page). I'm currently waiting whether the category table updates eventually (maybe when the server recaches the pages), but I don't have much hope currently :/ -- Porter21 (talk) 23:40, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can have the bot make null edits to all pages in Category:Verification needed which should result in the overdue pages showing up in the category properly. The downside is obviously that this way it'd all depend on me remembering to run the bot regularly, seeing as I'm pretty much the only one who runs a bot around here (at least for other purposes than updating interwiki links). -- Porter21 (talk) 10:34, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Anybody can create and run a bot; admin rights aren't required. There are several pre-made bot programs/scripts (I use pywikipediabot, for example), so it's not that difficult to get an own bot up and running as it may appear at first glance. For more info on bots, please see Help:Bot - it explains the whole thing better than I probably could :) -- Porter21 (talk) 11:04, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

For now, I'll let the bot run every Sunday (at least if I remember to :P). This week's run has just been completed. -- Porter21 (talk) 09:43, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you use pywikipedia, an extensive knowledge of Python isn't really required - I barely know any myself. The framework comes with a considerable number of standard scripts which are more than sufficient for most routine tasks; for example, I'm using four of the standard scripts for the vast majority of PorterBot's edits (add_text.py for adding text, replace.py for replacing it, category.py to move pages from one category to another and now touch.py, a script which essentially simply does null edits to pages, for refreshing Category:Verification needed.
 * If you run into problems with setting up or configuring the bot, feel free to ask :) It's not overly hard to set up if you follow the instructions on Pywikipediabot/Installation. The hardest part is creating a family file for this wiki, and you can find the one I'm using at User:PorterBot/Configuration. Getting a bot flag for a second account only requires a forum thread to get community approval (which likely will be given); afterwards Ausir or me will request the flag. -- Porter21 (talk) 21:04, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Signature
Hey there. I noticed on one of the discussion pages that your whole custom signature's code shows up on the 'source' part of the edit page. For the sake of convinience, you should make another page with your signature's code on it (add your code to this page). Then, make another page and type   in the edit section. This will make it so the code doesn't take up a bunch of space in the edit section, and will show up when you sign your posts with ~. (Do you have custom signatures turned on in your preferences section? If you don't, you should, that way, it'll show up as normal when you use ~ to sign). You can look at my sig pages (here and here) as an example if you want. If I confused you, feel free to ask me :P 18:38, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Secret Android Message
Good morning Ph03n1x. This is H4rkn355, bot of the Commonwealth. I am looking to collaborate with you on your Wasteland projects. 01:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

H4rkn355...
Well, naming it "Ph03n1xBot" would make identifying the owner easier, but I wouldn't really consider it a requirement. For example, one of the bots here is called Agricola, which doesn't really have anything in common with its owner's username. Glad everything went smoothly with the bot setup :) -- Porter21 (talk) 07:22, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

NPC project
Hey, Phoenix. You have probably noticed my limited time on the wiki lately. And when I am here it is in short bursts. This will likely continue through the summer, unfortunately. Any chance I could talk you into picking up the torch over at the NPC project? If you are interested, here's my unnuanced take on where the project is at:
 * Each page needs a visual check to see if layout has been implemented and content put in appropriate sections. The vast majority of pages are done.
 * Once the above is done, I believe it is time to archive the current project talk page and begin a new topic: Are we done? I think we are. Remaining issues I am aware of that I don't believe should hinder the closing of the project:
 * Quotes sections: They still sprawl. But we tried for consensus and didn't really come to one about how to deal with it. Changing "Quotes" to "Notable quotes" is a sensible suggestion, but won't by itself change anything.
 * New Interactions template subsections have largely gone unused. My personal take is that they haven't worked any better than the old way. The Interactions box is brilliant and wonderful and used. The additional subsections, not so. This is the one subject that I think may delay the finishing of the project. I'm curious to hear what other participants can come up with as a way forward. I myself don't have the time.

Let me know. I'd personally like to see this project finished before New Vegas is released, and the sooner the better. Cheers.--Gothemasticator 05:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Interactions FO1
Sorry, this message is a few days overdue because of my hard drive failing, however...

This specific template is just confusing for me. As you suggested, I did try to add  to some of the fields, but they remained unchanged. Maybe the source code needs revisions or something, but as I said trying to fill out the template like the Interactions FO3 one didn't work. example: doing this makes no difference on the template.

Ghouly89 (Talk)04:35, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, if you think you know what the problem is/how to fill out the template, experiment with the one on Abel's character page, he is the only one so far with the raw template. :) Ghouly89 (Talk) 04:07, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reworking the template; it's always good to have other people help out with template work :) I feel a bit bad though since I created a meta-template for the interaction tables just yesterday, and even made a showcase of a FO1 interactions template using it - which means you probably had to invest more effort than necessary :/ -- Porter21 (talk) 07:39, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * My fault really - I should've copied the showcase to Interactions FO1 straight away. I'm simply used to nobody else touching templates with a ten-foot pole I guess :) I was a bit unsure whether the syntax was understandable for anyone but me and wanted to wait for Ausir's feedback (as he created the original FO1 interactions chart).
 * Regarding the faction field, I originally thought it should rather be a binary field as well, but then I figured Ausir probably meant to list the factions which would turn hostile. I didn't include that in the FO3 chart since it seemed somewhat redundant with info already present in the character infobox (as in FO3 a faction always turns hostile if a member is attacked), but it might work differently in FO1 (which I can't really judge, never having played it) so I decided to leave it as Ausir had it originally. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:27, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Help is always appreciated :) I've copied my showcase over and updated/completed the documentation (as far as I could anyway). Guess we'll have to make Interactions FO3 use the meta-template as well, although that hopefully shouldn't be as much of a problem. -- Porter21 (talk) 22:30, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Toy Knife
but it is a gag weapon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasteland Chem-head (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

RE: Bugs
Okay, I'll do that in future. I added "(confirmed, PS3)" because I've seen others do that in articles and figured there was no "correct" standard. Thanks. Telos 08:45, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thank you. =) Telos 09:26, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Bugs and notes and culling useless...
You're awesome, man! Making tons of much-needed edits to important pages, keeping the new bugs system alive, streamlining runaway notes sections, etc., etc. I appreciate it all very much. (And thanks for having my back with the IP-switching vandal the other day, too.)--Gothemasticator 04:11, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll second that. Keep up the good work :) -- Porter21 (talk) 08:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Command line parameters
This is the (not all that short) command I'm using:

Basically it looks for the various infobox parameters with IDs and pads them. It'll miss instances where multiple IDs are specified in an infobox, but I'd rather have that than risking the bot modifying similar strings which are not IDs :) -- Porter21 (talk) 08:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably. There is a little error in your regex though (probably a typo):  should be  . Truth be told, I don't have much experience with the   argument as I prefer case-exact matches usually. Personal preference I guess :) Happy to help. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:47, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Platform tags
Somehow the auto-conversion of the "confirmed" texts resulted in "360" occasionally being placed in platforms (see e.g. the change at the top in this revision). It worked fine when converting the second occurence of "360" in the same revision though. Just thought I'd make you aware :) -- Porter21 (talk) 23:14, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very well, I know how much of a pain bot-editing such varied strings can be :) By the way, I don't know whether you've noticed yet but you can do multiple replacements in one go by simply attaching more unnamed parameters to the command (e.g. ). The replacements are then executed consecutively and applied as only one edit. For example,   would result in the bot replacing "a" with "c" in one edit. Just something I find very handy for more complex operations and took myself quite a while to notice :P -- Porter21 (talk) 09:22, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * That works as well, of course :) To speed things up a little, you could use  instead of  ; this restricts the bot to only working on pages in the main namespace (i.e. articles). -- Porter21 (talk) 09:55, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the bot throws up an error if you try to access a Special page directly (via  etc). However, a couple of scripts (replace.py or category.py, for instance) have parameters like   (work on uncategorized pages),   (work on uncategorized categories) or   (work on uncategorized files). For some tasks there are also specialized scripts; e.g. redirect.py can fix up both double and broken redirects (the latter only if the bot has admin rights). -- Porter21 (talk) 10:27, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

NPC project
I've done some more looking over the state of the project, and it seems that when I wrote you recently I was overly optimistic about how close we are to completion. You can disregard my comments about wrapping up the project. What it really needs is more page-by-page completion of project objectives. We'll see if my time allows for more of that. It's pretty intensive work. Enjoyable, but time-consuming. Cheers.--Gothemasticator 17:04, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

FO3 NPC project
Thank you for your continuing work on the ongoing Fallout 3 NPC project. Please visit the project talk page for the latest updates and current discussions. Our goal is to finish this project before the release of New Vegas! Cheers.--Gothemasticator 18:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Unused files
Depends on what you mean with "tackle" :) Anybody can add unused files to articles or tag duplicates (etc) for deletion. I'm sure you already knew that though, so what do you want to do? -- Porter21 (talk) 13:15, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean deleting or moving the files to new names, that's indeed restricted to admins. You could make a adminship request though if you like - you meet the requirements and I think you'd make a good sysop :) -- Porter21 (talk) 16:00, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * On a somewhat related note, I think it'd be better to integrate the file maintenance categories with the existing ones (rather than making them a separate branch of the category tree). I think I can see why you set it up that way (because the main maintenance category is called "Articles requiring attention", right?), but we could simply rename the category to "Attention required" or "Pages requiring attention" and then make the file categories sub-categories of it. I think it's handy to have one category which contains all pages with pending maintenance tasks, and there's also a bit of overlap between bad image and which could be resolved more easily if both respective categories belonged to one master category. What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 21:32, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * bad image adding to the same category as image needed is mainly my fault; back in the day I figured that both templates require the same editor action (upload new image), hence I made them use the same category. No other suggestions on my behalf, except for maybe making the display of use the mbox meta template for consistency and to make it draw more attention. Unlike verify, this one doesn't need to be inserted in article text after all :)
 * Regarding renaming the categories, I can do it once I get back on Sunday/Monday (or you can do it yourself if you like). I think renaming "Articles nominated for deletion" to "Nominated for deletion" and "Articles requiring attention" to "Attention required" should suffice to make the existing maintenance categories more universal; both categories likely have a few pages link to them, so these will need fixing up as well. See you next week :) -- Porter21 (talk) 10:07, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me :) I've made the adjustments which require admin privileges as far as I could spot them. Just two little things I've noticed: The Vault:Templates still references, and a few images have had [[:Category:Files nominated for deletion added to them manually (i.e. not via template). I have held off deleting the category because of that for now. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:18, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Image Improvements
You're welcome :) I'll go ahead and remove the tags on the ones I upload. Thanks :D 07:10, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Bot edits on Templates
Argh, I always forget about category.py doing that. Does remind me though that I've wanted to test whether I can simply insert into documentation to remove the need to specify the sorting for most templates manually. Hold on for a second, I'll do that right away. -- Porter21 (talk) 14:45, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It works. At least we won't have to restore the sort parameters now :) -- Porter21 (talk) 14:50, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry if the following is repeating what you already know, but in case you don't it's needed for thorough explanation. You can change the sorting for a page in a specific category manually by doing something like ; in this case, the page would be sorted by "String you want it to be sorted by" in the category "Example", but be sorted by the page name in all other categories.   sets the sort string for all categories the page belongs to to "Sort string", removing the need to specify it individually for each category (you can still override it for specific categories using the first method though). At this wiki, it's mostly used on the various developer pages so you don't have to specifiy the "last name, first name" sorting for each category individually.
 * Onto the templates. By default, all templates are sorted under "T" as - unlike files or categories, for example - the namespace ("Template:") is not stripped from the page name when determing the sorting; which is somewhat inconvenient if you're looking for a specific template. To avoid this, I previously specified the categories for each template with  so they'd be sorted properly (the PAGENAME magic word does not include the namespace, only the "real" name of the page). This is now no longer necessary for templates which have their documentation set up via documentation, as it'll take care of that automatically. Hope this is somewhat understandable :) -- Porter21 (talk) 15:33, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's always hard to judge how much prerequisite knowledge you can assume when explaining something ;) I've had quite a few instances where I thought that the recipient of my explanation would already know what I consider "basic stuff", only to get a reply along the lines of "Eh oooooook" :P So I tend to overdo it now occasionally ;) -- Porter21 (talk) 08:23, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Getting shiz done!
Firstly, you've been doing a great job on the remaining item overview pages! The only complaint I have is over the unique F3 weapons; you're making a section for all of them. You should only list unique weapons with a radically different function, like the Zhu-Rong v418 pistol, the Miss Launcher, and the Metal Blaster. 'kay? Otherwise, good job! :D Nitty Tok. 20:46, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hey. I haven't really talked to you in awhile. How have you been? Nukey - talk 19:59, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess you could say that. Well, I'm in the climax of the school year so I have to focus a bit more on studying. Also, there isn't much else there seems to be done, but I occasionally hang low on here and watch over the articles while everyone is offline. Nukey - talk 20:21, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

User:Ghouly89/music
I have been working around with this page for a long time now, and I think it should be in working order now. I just don't exactle know why the poll would do that. Try again and see. Ghouly89 (Talk)09:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Scratch that last post. NOW the page works, every link goes to where it should, and the poll is in the right order, etc. I'm goin' to bed now. :P Ghouly89 (Talk) 09:27, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Unarmed damage dispute
See Talk:Unarmed Damage. Can you check the unmodified GECK? Nitty Tok. 22:55, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

User Page
Sorry, couldn't help it :) It's a side-product of experimenting with alternate infobox/navbox/portal designs. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:00, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Extracting category filelists
has an option called "listify", I think that should be able to do what you're looking for :) -- Porter21 (talk) 16:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet
Voting won't start for awhile :D

But when it starts I hope you guys will be there to put a good word in for me. :) --Anon undefined 05:41, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Nuka Cola addiction redirect
Yeah, I was pondering that as well. I was simply unsure whether the article's current name maybe corresponds to ingame spelling. I think you're right though, the dash version would be more in line with the other Nuka-Cola-related articles (in fact, I only noticed the discrepancy because I had entered the name of the addiction with a dash :P). By the way, thanks for your compliment regarding my NPC edits :) -- Porter21 (talk) 11:54, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Random encounter trigger zone images
Just to make you aware, the various "trigger" images (like File:SDM Trigger Zone.jpg) are actually linked from Fallout 3 random encounters. Only image links (i.e. if images are displayed as images, if that makes any sense) show up in the file usage report; standard links only show up in Special:WhatLinksHere. Either the images need to be restored or the respective links removed; I don't have a preference in that regard, but we shouldn't leave redlinks around in either case :) -- Porter21 (talk) 11:12, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

File maintenance project
I think there should be one more field added to the "list" of things to do for each image. Since it is such a widespread problem, there should be a "Properly Categorized" check box for each image. Thoughts? Ghouly89 (Talk)05:21, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course. In other news, (in terms of your project getting done), this weekend is my designated "upload tons of Fallout pictures" weekend. As is expected, I will post my progress in the tables on the project page. Let me know if you have any concerns. :) Ghouly89 (Talk) 09:07, May 29, 2010 (UTC)