Talk:Flamer (Fallout: New Vegas)

(Decadent Zombie)So why is the Flamer an energy weapon? shoudnt it be in Guns?

They recently announced that the flamer would be considered an energy weapon, not a big gun. Jovar1 16:38, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

plus in real life fire weapons are technically Directed Energy Weapons. Gwyllgi.
 * So, if I took a bow and arrow... and lit the arrow on fire... it's an energy weapon? Nitty Tok. 00:21, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, becouse the main damage its done by the arrow, not the flame.Scavenger of the Wasteland 00:31, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it have been more reasonable if they had put the flamer under the Explosives skill, instead of Energy Weapons? - Texas Ranger 21:54, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish they had been energy weapons in Fallout 3. Mictlantecuhtli 17:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea, but I love the fact that the Flamer can activate Meltdown. -Schneidend 23:21, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

It's an Energy Weapon because fire is a type of plasma :P TheCheesinator 15:58, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Fire is not a form of plasma. Fire is the rapid oxidation of a material in the chemical reaction of combustion. Fire is in fact not matter.--Skipbomber 16:38, April 30, 2011 (UTC) -Fire is the combustion of materials, but the yellow flame you see is in fact a plasma of the unburnt particulates formed in combustion which are hot enough to give off visible black body radiation 136.183.193.17 17:24, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Where to find +1
I always find one in the casino with the giant rollercoaster, at the boss of the raiders/bandits. My bad, that's an Incinerator. :(

"Its damage can be somewhat misleading, as it is capable of hitting multiple body parts and inflicting widespread damage not reflected in its in-game stats."
I'm not sure if I completely understand what this sentience is trying to convey. Is it A) Trying to say it dishes out damage like a shotgun? In that it's base 16 damage is divided up between various body parts on an npc? I.e. it would do 8 damage to a npc's right arm and 8 damage to their body (for a total of 16)? Or is it B) It deals it's base damage to multiple parts of the body. I.e. it does 16 damage to an npc's right arm, and 16 damage to an npc's right leg? I don't think it could be the latter. If it was, it would seem like it would be one of the most powerful DPS weapons in the game (coupled with Pyromaniac) in less it's AoE range is much smaller than I think it is.

And finally, is it true in either case? I imagine because of the way the flamer deals damage visually, that it could be difficult to discern what parts of the body your hitting per hit; which would give the illusion that it's damage may be hitting multiple body parts at the same time. --69.205.180.81 09:42, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're over-thinking this. All the sentence is trying to say is that because it is a long, continuous stream of fire which has a wide spread, it's hard to say exactly where it's hitting and the damage builds up quickly, rather than being a static number displayed in the in-game stats. At least I think that's what it means. 09:46, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

If that is the case, then that's exactly my point with the second paragraph. It doesn't appear to do wide spread damage because it's damage is divided up and hitting multiple body parts at the same time per hit. It's doing wide spread damage because it's hitting multiple times (multiple hits), really quickly on different sections of the body. When it's put in that context, it seems rather silly to mention at all because a machine gun does the exact same thing. Only difference how you see it visually.--69.205.180.81 10:06, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're correct. The only difference between it and a gun that fires bullets is how it looks, so it might deceive some people. 10:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think I finally understand what the original writer intended. They're trying to say since it fires in an "uncontrolled" cone of fire, it hits multiple parts of the body. Where in the case of a fully-automatic weapon, you can at least aim down the sight, target certain parts, even if the the weapon has a large spread. It's because of that cone effect that even if you were aiming at the head for example, you'll probably also hit the chest as well. My guess is if your targeting two or more parts of an npc's body, the cone probably picks and chooses randomly which one it hits. That way it wouldn't do more damage than it's intended to do. For now I'm going to change it to say: "Additionally, it is capable of hitting multiple body parts and inflicting widespread damage". The additionally-part links it back to the previous sentience, which mentions it is cone-based damage. This should lessen some confusion.--69.205.180.81 07:46, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't it mean that the fire damage over time may stack per engulfed body part? Furoar 10:08, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Fire through doors and windows
I brought a Flamer during a visit to Vault 34 and used it to thwart several of the scripted ghoul ambushes by simply moving close to a door or window and somehow roasting the ghouls beyond (PS3). I'm sure this can be exploited in other locations. Dr. Lobotomy 00:11, July 26, 2011 (UTC)