Talk:Dino toy

Purpose?
Does this item have a purpose, or is it solely for looks? -- 18:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, it's weightless and has 0 value. Mictlantecuhtli 22:50, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Notable roaring sound - why deleted (twice)?
I've been trying to add a note on this item about the roaring sound it makes at random intervals, but it keeps being removed. I've witnessed this event on the PC version, and it happens every few minutes and sometimes several times in a minute. You have to be close to it to hear it. Discussion? Gunhed508 14:52, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen it on the Xbox 360 version too, not sure why this keeps getting deleted.
 * --Godge92 15:01, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Simple. It sounds like spam. You're on the PC, if you have the G.E.C.K or something can't you give us proof. I'm on PS3 so I'll go see if I can hear it. 15:04, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I turned the volume up last night and listened for five minutes, there is no roaring sound on the Xbox 360. Perhaps when you initially find them (didnt test that), but not after it's been added to your inventory and then dropped on the ground. Mictlantecuhtli 15:08, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I just spent a short while with one in my room (not like that), I looked at it, threw it about, span it, smashed it in to stuff, shot it (silenced 22 pistol), staried at it again and finally hit it with a Machete. It did nothing. 15:10, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I picked one up somewhere and put it on the desk by my bed in my suite in the lucky 38, I hear it roar a few times every time I go in there.
 * --Godge92 15:12, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have Rex by any chance? 15:13, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do but I noticed the dinosaur roars before I got rex, and it sounds very different, you can tell the noise is being made by a toy because it sounds kind of tinny if you know what I mean. I might try and record it using my webcam but I'm not sure how well it'll turn out.
 * --Godge92 15:15, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Right. I'll take mine to teh Lucky 38 now and see. 15:17, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've noticed it outside the lucky 38 too, I was just using that as an example. I don't think the Dinky the T-rex souvenirs do it though if that's what you have.
 * --Godge92 15:19, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Got both. I was in my hotel room in Novac. 15:20, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome - so it looks like we're getting some confirmation here. :) Perhaps the different Dino toys make different sounds?  FYI - the Dinky the T-Rex Souvenir toys don't make any sound. Gunhed508 15:28, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Weird - so we have one confirmation and one negative. It may be noted that the Dino toy and the Dinky the T-Rex Souvenir look identical, so to confirm this, make sure you have the right one laying out in your room somewhere. FYI, I have picked up and placed it in several locations / rooms, and it still makes the sound (it's not a one-time thing). It's a quiet, cheapy digitized toy roar sound, like from a greeting card (low sampling rate). Gunhed508 16:19, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'd love to take your words for it. And TBF, it sounds reliable enough but we do really need some proof before we can add it. You can probably check via the G.E.C.K (or whatever has the info). If you don't know how Deadlykris is always a good person to ask about that sorta thing. 16:24, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a theory - I've taken the Wild Wasteland trait, which may explain this inconsistency. Above, we have one confirmation from Godge92 - I'd be willing to bet that this person took the trait, also, but that you did not.  I would assume that, once we get enough confirmation from other players here, that this would be sufficient proof without having to delve into the game's data?  Gunhed508 17:45, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmations needed: Those players having taken the Wild Wasteland trait, please find the Dino Toy and give it a good listen for a few minutes to see if it roars and post your results here! Gunhed508 17:45, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am using the wild wasteland perk actually, I didn't even consider that, but it could make sense.
 * --Godge92 17:50, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I took it and... nothing. When WW stuff happens there's a confused Vault boy in the top left coner with a ... next to him and x-files style music plays, so I don't think that's it. 17:48, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow - strange inconsistencies. We need input from more players.  Strange mystery, indeed! Gunhed508 17:53, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's some hard evidence for you guys, the dino toy in my suite in the lucky 38 I said about earlier, you can hear it roar twice, one near the beginning at once near the end. I'm playing on the Xbox 360 btw. Sorry about the shaky camera, I ended up having to do it on my phone.
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q2aK2jui5s
 * --Godge92 18:21, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Yep - that's the sound!  We probably need more that two people to confirm this, I'm guessing.  JASPER42 - is the video sufficient proof for you?  Gunhed508 18:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Looping/Random Sound
There's a section of the item entry called "Looping/Random Sound". This value is set to EMTDinoToy. It looks to be the source of the roaring. Thus, this trait of the dino toy can be considered confirmed. Dinky the T-Rex Souvenir lacks this setting, so it will not roar. The sound file attached to EMTDinoToy is. No further testing is required to confirm the roar. -- 01:07, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome, Kris! You proved it exists!  Some people are reporting that they don't hear it, though.  I'm updating the wiki.  Gunhed508 02:21, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like Mictlantecuhtli removed the note about the roaring again - without reviewing this talk page and seeing the above evidence. I put it back. Gunhed508 16:26, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about, this information wasn't even verified until today. Cut me some slack and calm down, people have been adding the unverified mention of that thing for days (when I was constantly checking the talk page). So I didn't immediately look at the talk page before habitually deleting it, it's no big deal. Mictlantecuhtli 16:30, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's all good - as long as we're all on the same page now (pun intended). Gunhed508 16:39, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the part about it being tied to the Wild Wasteland perk; there's nothing in the GECK to suggest that this might be the case. -- 17:00, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I never heard it roar when testing it, but from the video the "roar" in question sounds like environmental audio which is probably why I phased it out. I was expecting something more impressive and easily recognizeable. Mictlantecuhtli 17:04, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah - that's the strange mystery, that some people are not hearing the roar - I wonder what's up with that? When working with individual's perceptions, it's always grey in that area.  I've asked some friends playing to do some observation for me; perhaps that will shed light on the situation?  Gunhed508 18:18, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK - so I started a new character without the Wild Wasteland trait and visited two Dino Toys - they both made noise, so by my observation, it has nothing to do with the trait. If there still exist some people who can't hear the roar sound, I can't explain it.  I'm playing both characters in Hardcore mode, though - I doubt that's it.  I just thought I'd post an update in case others investigate.  Gunhed508 02:24, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

There's a few possibilities why people aren't hearing it:
 * 1) Not listening long enough
 * 2) Tuning it out as background noise
 * 3) Testing with Dinky the T-Rex Souvenir instead of Dino Toy
 * 4) Volume settings make that particular sound inaudible - either too quiet, or drowned out by something else.
 * 5) A bug

I don't think these affect whether or not the sound can be heard -- 02:52, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Wild Wasteland
 * 2) Hardcore mode


 * Hardcore definitely doesn't affect it, I'm not playing in hardcore mode.
 * --Godge92 10:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Move article to Dino Toy
Looks like someone created a Dino Toy page. It has the correct capitalization, so it would be nice to move the content and talk page from this one (Dino toy) into Dino Toy. We would need an Admin to perform a delete and/or move with replace to shore everything up. Can anyone help out or give suggestions? Gunhed508 15:36, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * A redirect would be more appropriate, I'll do it now.
 * --Godge92 15:48, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I also completely copied the old article across to the new page as I felt it was more informative and purposeful.
 * --Godge92 15:52, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you did, but I've got everything set to right: Dino Toy redirects to Dino toy, same with the talk pages. -- 15:58, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Weird - I didn't do anything; perhaps an Admin saw my request on the Dino Toy talk page and created a redirect or disambig? Gunhed508 16:20, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm an admin and I saw your comments here and acted on them, but I meant that you said you made this page a redirect but I didn't see it. I looked at the page history after I made that comment, and saw that the redirect was reverted. Then I simply went to the Dino Toy page and made that one redirect to this article, and that one's talk page redirect here. -- 16:28, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh - funny. I did put a redir request at the top of Dino Toy, but I guess it's fine as it is now.  As long as folks can refer to Dino Toy and get to the full content.  BTW, the user Mictlantecuhtli keeps removing the note about the roaring (I commented about it in the section above).  I don't think he/she looked at this talk page before doing it, though.  I hope it doesn't happen again.  Gunhed508 16:35, October 28, 2010 (UTC)