Talk:New California Republic

This page needs cleaning, lots of information repeats.

There's going to be a lot of information regarding the NCR when New Vegas comes out. You might want to put this article on watch. -Mike Hawk 3/8/2010

Update the flag?
Because this recent New Vegas screenshot shows a new one: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/fallout-new-vegas/showimg-2/ 164.107.237.102 14:53, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the flag shown in this article isn't accurate. The current flag has a roaring two-headed bear. Can someone update the image?

I bet somebody could get an updated, accurate image of the NCR flag the from GECK. Would anyone be willing to do that? 108.13.149.4 02:53, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Allignment
I'm confused. Is the NCR good, evil or neutral? Telos 10:00, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no alignments in the Fallout universe. Leave black/white divisions for fantasy. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 11:39, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do we really need the warnings about the Brotherhood/NCR war not being canon anymore? It was confirmed that the war is over energy weapons by one of the New Vegas devs, though which one I don't remember. TestECull 02:19, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

No alignments? Then why, pray, is there a karma system that labels you Very Good to Very Evil? 94.11.200.127 23:01, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'll take Sulik's spirit guides' assessment of the NCR. That's to say, they are as good as it gets, besides the DC chapter of the BoS in Fallout 3. 99.17.206.224 05:40, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Expansion
Do NCR aggressively take over settlements or are all regions willing members of NCR?
 * This is not a black/white world. Its probably a combination of the two - aggressive propaganda, so that territories join and conquering hostiles. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:41, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Right, so does the NCR aggressively take over non-hostile settlements with the use of force to further expand their territory? Im sorry to ask again but your answer was ambiguous. Is it just unknown?
 * That's the point, it's not known. I assume it's a lot like the early US all over again - a combination of propaganda, trade wars and dirty, bloody conflict (and slaughter of the natives), but for the most part, it's a peaceful process. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:31, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

The NCR seem incredibly dodgy to me. From what the developers are saying they are tax hungry. They cannot protect their citizens/ enforce their laws because they are getting too big for their own good. Sounds like a typical crappy government. Then again the Legion are a bunch of slavers so they do not sound so good either. It does not seem like any faction(from what I have seen so far) are taking on the "very good" archetype that the east coast Brotherhood of Steel had in Fallout 3. Again i am basing this on only what i have seen of the game so far. I suppose we will all know for sure in 4 short days.--HelpMeRhonda213 22:33, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

The President of the Republic in 2280?
I read a recent preview of New Vegas. There's a description of how the previewer stormed the compound of one Ambassador Dennis Crocker, representing "Republic President Aaron Kimball". Since I'm not aware of any other "Republics" in the Mojave Wastelend, this Kimball character might be the NCR's president. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Highly likely. But we should wait till we get confirmation that he he the NCR's president before we add it in the main page.

Alignment Quests
I think there should be a section for each faction in New Vegas explaining how you can get on their good side (if you have only three days until assassins kill you and need a quick fix) Eydryan 09:42, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * See Goodsprings for an example of this in action. I want to balance playing with editing though and havent finished it. Mictlantecuhtli 12:39, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I also think there should be a section dedicated to the Pros/Cons of +/- Fame for each faction, such as discounts, leeway, special items, such on and so forth; there is very little on what the factions do, as an asset to The Courier, in the guide as of now. Nosferus 19:15, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Van Buren
For this topic atleast, shouldn't we consider Van Buren canonical? A lot of the stuff in it can be reinforced by FO:NV. Examples: The Burned Man & the first hoover dam battle. The war with the brotherhood of steel. Should we get rid of the non-canonical warning?

(PFC.Stockholm 15:18, October 30, 2010 (UTC))

Well but not everything is canon. For instance, Hoover Dam has not lost contact with the rest of the NCR and there is no governor declaring to be the President of NCR. So while a lot of things may be canon, there is certainly stuff that is not and so that warning still needs to be there.

Map perhaps?
Can someone find a map of NCR territory or draw one?

YES! Please! It would be so helpful and awesome to see the NCR as a whole. Anonymous Editer, March 19, 2011, 22:53, Central Time (Canada, USA)

Changing Headquarters to Capital?
Well sense the NCR is more like a state than just another organization shouldn't headquarters be changed to capital? They are the closest thing to a country in the Fallout universe and countries have capitals not headquarters right?

Map
Perhaps someone could make a more in depth map of what they control, from the lowly baja all the way to west of the colorado. I can start to work on it, if people tell me what I should include city wise. Also, i think that this could be cleaned up a bit, if there are multiple states, we should probably make a subtopic on the page about it. i'll start work on the map now, I suppose. --PFC.Stockholm 17:29, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ironic?
The fact that in early america they started at the east and traveled west to gain more territory and the NCR (Who is the closest thing to the pre war goverment)started west and are traveling east to gain more territory Ironic much?

Joining them
Can you become a member and how.Avatar symbiote 14:17, December 24, 2010 (UTC)Avatar symbiote

Major Fallout New Vegas Bug - Faction Armor Glitch Resulting in Hostility
There seems to be a major bug in Fallout New Vegas that can seriously ruin the game for you.

This has to do with faction standings and armor. About half way through the game the NCR and Crimson Caravan Company suddenly became hostile towards me and my companions for no apparent reason. My reputation with them was good (accepted) but they attacked me on sight nonetheless. I could not even approach the Mojave Outpost without everybody attacking me. It made no difference if I was wearing NCR armor or even approaching them naked, the outcome was always the same.

The problem with this bug is that the game sometimes fails to register that you have removed faction specific armor. If you for example was wearing Legion Veteran Armor and then switched to Combat Armor, the game might still think that you are wearing the Legion faction armor. This means that any faction that is hostile towards the Legion will also attack you on sight even though you are no longer in disguise.

I think that this problem arises when you swich gear without unequipping it first. If you have both the faction specific armor and the non affiliated armor in you inventory and you then change from one to the other directly, the game does not register that you have removed the faction specific armor.

I'm not sure if this bug will stack all the armor that you have worn in the game but there is an easy way to solve this problem. You have to take every piece of armor that you have saved up in storage and then individually equip and unequip everything in order in your inventory.

When I did this, the NCR ceased to show any hostility towards me as if nothing had happened (PS3). This bug can cause major problems because many of the storyline quests rely on NCR interaction.

I can confirm this but in my game i DID NOT wear any other faction-clothing then the NCR armor(i have some non-faction clothing i put on sometimes). But in my game only the people in Sloan are hostile(McCarran, Mojave Outpost etc, are all friendly)--Stovie 21:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC) i

Map of NCR territories
Could someone draw a map of the NCR territories or if one was already drawn post the URL of where I could find it.

YES! Please! It would be so helpful and awesome to see the NCR as a whole. Anonymous Editer, March 19, 2011, 22:54, Central Time (Canada, USA)

I know this is an old-ish discussion, but there seems to be a recently added NCR map on the Core Region article. Not sure why it isn't here also. It looks pretty good. FinalWish 20:23, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Can whoever the map(s) of the Core Region/New California Republic please ad referances to where the information of said map came from? Specifics if you can.--Ant2242 01:44, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

if they defeated navarro
shouldnt at least back west they have some enclave armor as they must have gotten a few suits after they took navarro and ethier figured it out or slavaged it much like the armor in newvegas

Navarro is just a small outpost for the Enclave. So at most, they will only have a 50 or so suits of Advance Power Armor, not nearly enough for the NCR to use them for the army other then a small squad of elite troops, who are most likely stationed in the NCR's home territory. Also, when you visit Navarro in Fallout 2, the sergeant there complained about being under supplied, suggesting that the base doesn't really have that much hardware available. Finally, most of the Enlcave relocated to DC, most likely taking many of the equipment with them.
 * Furthermore, the amount of force needed to destroy a suit of power armour means that a disabled suit would be little more than a pile of junk. Remember, it's a walking tank. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:41, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

NCR Fame?
I'm on the quest "Wild Card: Side Bets" and I need to contact the Brotherhood of Steel. BUT, I accidentaly killed Paladin Ramos, and the bad thing is I'm a merciful thug on NCR and Caesar's Legion, so I can't do the other quests. I dunno how to get more rep from NCR or Caesar, because there are no more quests available from them D: I can't tell Yes Man to ignore/destroy them cuz I haven't contact with BoS at all. I heard there's a dogtag thing with Quartermaster Mayes & I only see I get 2 caps, there's no notification of NCR fame gained :S I already helped getting Nelson back, & I'm doing the "Legion ears" thing. I'm still a Merciful Thug on NCR, so I'm like "WTF". On Forlorn Hope Camp, I went to see which quests were available, after saying yes to Reyes to do the radio thing for each NCR Ranger Station. I get shot by the important ppl to finish the quests, like the girl on the entrance of HELIOS ONE, and the NCR Vets shoot me too. I'm stuck on this game, plz help!

note that if anyone is being attacked by the ncr they can wear ncr armor to complete quests to raise their fame level. if you accidently killed someone then reload the previous save its really hard to accidently kill someone in that bunker and you kind of deserve the pain.--64.126.90.132 12:14, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ncr fallout 3
Was there any mention of the ncr in fallout 3?

To put it bluntly, no.


 * Ehem... "Shady Sands Shuffle", anyone? While it might be a long-shot, Shady Sands develops into the New California Republic. Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 20:59, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

A little revision?
I feel like maybe it could use a little revision, it seems a bit bland, add a little bit more into the page, I'll start playing through some of the games again so i can get the maxinum amount of data, so I'll begin on it next week. RobertBennett 18:45, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

also, a lot of the stuff is contradicting, like at some point it says something like "NCR wants to annex NV as their 6th state, but undder list of states, there are 8 alright, not including NV. idk. RobertBennett 18:53, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

So far, I have changed a little bit. I will make any edits anyone suggests, as long as I know enough of it. So if you don't feel like doing the work, i'll gladdly modify it. RobertBennett 06:16, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * added endings to Fallout 1 & 2 to the 'ending' section, going to add NV soon.
 * Made new section named "Location", putting States & Territories to it.
 * Fixed the states list, and moved the map of the NCR down to "Locations", when I recently put it in Society.


 * About those: the "Endings" section has so far been used only when there are (a) multiple endings available and (b) the canon ending is not known. When either of these conditions are not satisfied, we tend to do list only the canon ending, and in the background section (see Modoc or Myron).
 * Secondly, "Locations" is not a valid section according to VA:LAYL. I know a lot of Fallout and Fallout 2 pages feature this section, but it was not added to the guidelines and so has never actually been put to the community. I would suggest moving the information to the "Notes" section.
 * The internal inconsistency, I think, comes from the fact that the entire "Locations" section is based on this map. The map, while pretty, is someone's personal interpretation of what the NCR looks like in 2282, and is most probably almost entirely non-canon. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 08:26, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

While, I know it's not 100% accurate, they most likely used the Fallout2 map for the in game cities, and then took ingame dialogue & real life locations (assuming Vegas is where it is in real life, etc). And from the looks of it, the maker sort of made like a state lines based off natural features, such as mountains, rivers, etc.. if you're not comfortable with putting the user made map (based mostly off this), then we can simply put this one instead, as it is part of Fallout 2, and therefore canonical. RobertBennett 18:02, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Image discussion.


Discussion of this image and its place is clearly necessary. I will attempt to mediate, but don't get too irate.
 * Nothing to mediate. No fan produced content. UserGreatMara.png pistol.png 19:44, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that, but it was turning into an edit war. At least they might see that now :) TheGuardianCalligraphy.pngGuardianoftheWastesTag.png

States
Under states it says if it has a * then the capital is the same as the state but Arroyo doesn't have a star or capital name. I have never played the originals so I decided to see if anyone else knows how to correct it.Zoso1219 00:21, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone happen to know where Shady Sands is located in real life? Like which city it corresponds to or is closest to?

According to Fallout & 2 maps its derrectly east of Vault 13 (under Mt. Whitney), west of Vault 15.--Ant2242 05:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

NCR Propaganda Poster Trivia
While randomly trawling the internet I saw this World War 2 poster that looked a lot like one in the game

Maybe someone good at wiki-ing could add this? Kevchow 03:23, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Capital Nameing
I know its referenced as Shady Sands in FNV character dialogue. But isn't it referenced in Fallout 2 as changing its name to New California Republic?--Ant2242 17:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't. It was a developer shortcut for convenience's sake. Tagaziel 17:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

NCR department of state
I'm not sure where to add its existence to the article. See: "Ambassador Crocker's note" --Ant2242 (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Do something like the Republic Reserve article I made. Shadowrunner(stuff) 20:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Arroyo
I do not see how the source provided is enough to prove Arroyo is an NCR territory. The current reference claims:

"Emily Ortal is referring to NCR taxation and inflation in Arroyo, which is only possible, if Arroyo is a part of the NCR."

However the line in reference does not attribute the taxation Ortal mentions to Arroyo:

""About five years now. I have family back in Arroyo, but this is where all of the good work is being done, so to speak. NCR taxes and inflation have been hard for a lot of people to deal with, and most of the money is going to the war effort. There's not much funding for medical research with OSI or any other group - not unless it has a military application, anyway.""

209.42.117.142 20:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, the logic is as follows:


 * 1) Ortal is from Arroyo.
 * 2) She is a medical doctor.
 * 3) She believes the frontier is where the real work is being done (or the Followers).
 * 4) NCR taxes, inflation, and lack of the Republic's support for medical research were a major role in her decision to join the Followers.


 * From where I'm standing, this is a clear indication that Arroyo is a part of the NCR - otherwise, why does she specifically mention the Republic in this context? Tagaziel (talk) 22:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


 * But she mention NCR taxes being hard on people after mentioning the Mojave as where all the good work is being done. If taxes were hard on Arroyo, why not work there? 209.42.113.110 20:13, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A good point. Let me explain my reasoning:

How long have you been with the Followers?

''About five years now. I have family back in Arroyo, but this is where all of the good work is being done, so to speak. NCR taxes and inflation have been hard for a lot of people to deal with, and most of the money is going to the war effort. There's not much funding for medical research with OSI or any other group - not unless it has a military application, anyway.''
 * She mentions two places, Arroyo and the Mojave, explaining not just how long she was working with the Followers, but also why. The reason is stated as "this is where all of the good work is being done". She expands on that thought in the next two sentences, mentioning NCR taxes, inflation, and channeling money to the war effort. Since we know that the NCR is not receiving any tax revenue from the Mojave, she must be referring to Arroyo. The town can only be affected by NCR taxes if it's a formal part of the Republic - as we can see in the game on the example of Primm. Tagaziel (talk) 11:43, 15 March 2018 (UTC)