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Religion
Christianity is not so much a religion in the games as it is a broad cultural background shared by the population as a whole. I deleted your page on Christianity, because the content was not game-based enough, nor was it was objectively worded enough. A statement such as Christianity and Mormonism are basically the same thing isn't accurate, nor does it describe the gameworld. The Religion page already mentions that the broad spectrum of Christianity still exists. Saying more than that on the NCR page amounts to speculation. Just like in the real world, a character mentioning God does not say anything substantial about their beliefs, Christian or otherwise.

Basically, we include articles on specific churches or religious groups that exists in-game, not information about religions or belief-systems in general. If there were specific NPCs that practiced or preached some identifiable form of Christianity (for instance, St. Monica's Church in Rivet City), then that information would be worth writing up in an article.

Welcome to The Vault. Cheers.--Gothemasticator 10:45, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I have used Fallout wiki for a couple years now since Fallout 3 came out, the reason why I would say the ncr are mainly "christian" is because they follow the old rules of the pre-war government ect. If most NCR soldiers mention god or going to heaven, there are only a few religions that exist, god, would involve Christianity, mormanism, and followers of the apocalpse(correct me if I'm wrong), so the ncr are mainly that. God bless the New california republic is mentioned by some, and that sounds like an American term ect. Because the ncr ain't budhist or scientoligist, because those don't believe in god. As the Enclave are very Christian, Ceasars are "very" mormon ect. If most NCR believe in god and only some religions exsist in Fallout, the NCR are either Christian or mormon. Iv'e tried to state most believe in god, but thats been deleted, even though the NCR mentions god so much, its comman sense and it makes sense they follow the pre-war america, and they mention god, is this just a fluke, no. Please it makes sense, I've edited stuff before, like in Fallout 3, and the strip page for new vegas needs to be edited.
 * A religion, though, is an organized body with a set of practices. That's what characterizes all the other religions that we include information on. As I've said above, using the word "god" doesn't imply anything about religion. It does mean that there is a Christian-influenced culture. And that culture is all I've seen evidence of. No practice, no organization, etc. And a watered-down cultural background isn't worth its own article page.--Gothemasticator 05:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess we don't know for sure, but can we at least not delete that the NCR believe in god, and I'm curiose do the followers of apocalpse believe in anything, they originally started in NCR territory and there flag is a cross, so...
 * Let me be a bit clearer: People using the word "god," even in phrases like, "God bless the NCR," does not allow us to conclude anything definite about their beliefs. Do not re-add any of the removed material. Wait out your block and come back as a contributing editor.--Gothemasticator 12:29, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

When the ncr mention god bless ect. I don't think that means they don't believe in god. And when soldiers say that they will go to a better place when they die, I don't think that they think that they will wrot in the ground. And the NCR are like a pre-war America, so whats this crap about them not believing anything officialy, it makes no sense, just admit it wow.

Blocked
You are blocked for your re-addition of speculative material to the NCR article. Please re-read the above discussion.--Gothemasticator 14:58, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jesus, why can't you even say they believe in god when they say, god bless ncr, I'm going to a better place, god help us, in times like this we need help from the one, ect. Pre war nation, usually I woudn't care, but you keep deleting the info, when there is proof, I can't say Christian, mormon ect, but I can say god.
 * If you have a problem with my actions or arguments, please feel free to take it up with one of our other administrators. I've made my case clearly and thoroughly above.--Gothemasticator 00:17, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well its just there is evidence, but okay.


 * Evidence? what evidence do you have to state what a persons or cultures religion is? Ohhh right there use of a commonly used phrase... so if I say bless you when some one sneezes does that make me Christian or make me beleive in God? Just because the etymology of a saying may be based in religion, does not mean it still holds true that the saying is still a reference to religion instead of a social grace just like bless you. God bless NCR could be nothing more than pre-war cultural heritage that has lost all its meaning from the original intent, as it has been handed down from generation to generation just like saying bless you. You are drawing a lot of assumptions based on your own beliefs instead of any real factual evidence.
 * Also it is very closed minded of you to only assume that because they mention God and Heaven, that they can only believe in those few religions. Lets see Allah is a Arabic word that translated means God, Christians and Jews use Allah in reference to God even before Islam existed!!! So all 3 religions that stem from the Abrahamic Faiths believe in god, Islam, Jews and Christianity alike. They also believe in Heaven since they are pretty much off shots of the same faith background. Then there is all the off shots of those religions like Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses blah blah etc etc. You have no idea and no evidence to say to what extent how diluted the pre-war religions have become in the waste land. Avatar 03:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Islams do not exist in the Fallout world. The followers of apocalpse come from ncr territory, and apparantly really influenced the ncr. As we know the followers of apocalpse are a group of people who represent christianity, and rebuilding civilization. I know this issue is kind of not smart, and I guess I'm just curios about this issue, but at least say the ncr believe in heavan and god, and since there are only a few religions that exist in this game, the only religions that come close are christianity, and mormon. But at leat don't delete they believe in god and the heavans, because for now thats all we know. The ncr are similiar to the enclave, but not quite.