Forum:New york

my question is why did they choose Las Vegas. In the 1950's (the period in which the Fallout series is loosely based on)there wasnt much built up in Las Vegas and to me seems like a preety boring place. On the other hand they couldve chose New York which wouldve been a blast. Imagine being in New York in the fallout world. You could go to the empire state building, statue of liberty, Ebbets field etc. In my opinion this would have been a blast to play   that is what i think what was mr .house thinking save the most useless citys ever. the estern citys whould have been better if pittsburgh washington new york and detroit where saved ht e would would reboot real quick these are the jobs i would think would be great for each city (detriot-General motors is incharge of car manufacturing.(new york-buissness indistry orginize supply line.(pittsburgh-steel manufacturing.(washington D.C. giving out the latest updates and maintaing a stedy government and moral

Stop. The Great War doesn't happen in the 50's, it happens in 2077. That's 127 years for Vegas to get shiny. Nitty 22:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Retro-Futurism is a major element in all of the Fallout games, so I'm curious that since Vegas was a Mob town in that period, it could possibly have families like New Reno did in FO2. LJ Carrion 05:27, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that, considering the dense population, New York would have been nuked into oblivion. Even if it wasn't it has so many more skyscrapers than D.C. does, and think about how hard it was to move around in all the rubble in the D.C. ruins, multiply that by like 100 and you'll spend pretty much the entire game in the collapsing subways. so New York would pretty much be a glowing crater or an entirely subterain game. Mr.goodtrips 18:54, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

what about Alabama, the enemies could be confederates

I'm against New York because there are too many games set in New York. Developers need to choose new places instead of New York, like New Orleans, Chicago, London, or Atlanta.--Chipgambino 21:44, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I love how people forget that there's an entire state outside of NY City. Buffalo, Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, the entire Adirondack region and the Finger Lakes region. All would make for an interesting game, in my opinion. Rochester alone has R.I.T., Kodak, Xerox, Baush and Lomb, 3 hospitals plus enough other local businesses and factories that would give it plenty of places to explore. Not to mention the fact that RG&E, (our local power company), buys in power from a Nuclear power plant in Wayne County, the next county over, (which could lead to all sorts of interesting mutated beasties).

Wayne County also has it's fair share of Amish and Mennonites, and I'd love to see how they made it through the bombs. Oh, and there's Toronto just across lake Ontario, and Niagara isn't but a couple of hours away, too. We had a 'Fast Ferry' for a while, so we could take a quick boat trip over to Canada. Downstate has Cornell University, and is right on the border with Pennsylvania, which is chock full of more Amish. Just because a game is set in NY State doesn't mean it needs to feature NY City. Airos.the.Tiger 02:11, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

We've got tons of native owned land and indigenous tribes throughout the entire state, (plus a few casinos). It'd be nice to see actual tribals make an appearance in a new Fallout game, and be a fully fleshed out faction like the Enclave and Brotherhood. Airos.the.Tiger 02:18, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

That is pretty cool - I'm an Ontario native, and I don't know too much about your geography down there. But if Bethesda was able to cut down enough around DC for FO3, then that would be truly amazing to see what you've described. And less wasteland, more city. LJ Carrion 02:15, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you Airos, seeing how the Amish faired the Great War would be interesting, but your last point for choosing NY doesn't hold up as well as your other points. There are tons of Native American tribes in the southwest (they did get moved to the worst bits of realastate) so it would be reasonable to assume they would make a solid pressence in New Vegas. Your point about there being more in NY state than just New York City holds true for Vegas and Nevada, I'm sure they won't make the game take place entirely within the city limits. Mr.goodtrips 03:42, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Airos, I live in New York, and while I do agree that upstate might be an interesting location for a Fallout game, NYC is just so much more well-known, iconic, and important. I'm sorry, but you can't say that's not true. NYC would have far more places to explore than Rochester, seeing as it is huge, including {as someone said before me} the Empire State Building, the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, the Chrysler Building, the many bridges, Columbia University, Rockefeller Center, just to name a few of the hundreds of world famous landmarks in New York City. People across the world would not recognize the Xerox headquarters building if you showed them a picture, while billions of people would if you replaced it with a picture of the Statue of Liberty. I don't mean to be insensitive, but all of these things are true, and even though, yes, NYC has been done to death in video games, there haven't been any bombed, desolate, retrofuturistic versions, and in my opinion, a Fallout NYC would be incredibly original, not to mention one of the greatest and most fun settings that have ever been recreated in the series. Broeman 22:51, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

NYC would be a million times worse. Simply because of how 'iconic' it would be, it would be one of the first places that got bombed to hell by an invading army. If there was anything more than a 100 mile crater, it would be 99.9% rubble. Second, FO1-2 took place over large areas, and did not focus on a single city. Third, it allows the players to explore along with the character in the game. Yes, we all know the iconic landmarks of NYC, which is why we're not impressed when we see the Statue of Liberty in GTA, Spiderman, Parasite Eve, and any of the other thousand games and movies we've seen it in.

There are interesting, (and 'iconic'), things that happen outside of that one city. Did you know that the father of Mormonism, Joesph Smith lived in Wayne County before his great trek to Utah? And that Mormons take a pilgrimage to Wayne County for that very reason? Even South Park devoted an entire episode to the 'life' of Joe Smith, (mockingly), before he left NY, (granted, they never named the area he was in at that time, but living here I knew right off).

Look one at Planet of the Apes and you'll see what I mean. Airos the Tiger Talk 12:35, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well what about DC? It was well recognizable but while I would love to see a crumbiling statue of liberty and put on NYPD Riot Team armor, its just not possible, considering New York would probebly be a crater. Andromada101 21:55, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

I thought Massachusetts and the Commonwealth would have been a good setting for the new game. In the Replicated Man you would hear about how amazing the Commonwealth technology was and I thought was a set up for the next game. I don't know much about the state itself but Boston seems like a good as city as any.

as im sure its been said, New York is a touchy subject for people now, in and out of the US. Especially in a world where everything was blown apart. Besides its to over used. Las Vegas isn't used quite as much. im pretty happy with it being in LV. it finally proves what could be and what is canon from Van Burren Self absorbed 23:15, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

New York would have been great, this is my story. There should have been a group trying to rebuild the skys and get rid of the mutants. The mutants slowly leaving this group wants to rebuild, they rebuild a sky scraper like the Chrysler building and wants more so he asks someone to retrieve pictures from a vault about the cities and the worlds past, it was made in the 1960's. You get the pictures and go back to give it to the group but you are captured by some slavers. They find the pictures and take it to their base in the Bronx or something. You escape and report back to the group telling what happened and then a war happens. From the new clean water in Washington the mutants leave to find a new place and that is when they find New York, all the work the group achieved was gone now. A childhood friend invites you to see some invensions he made and one of them is a plane. He asks you to help him take it to JFK to test it. He flies and contacts him on the radio saying something is going wrong, his plane was shot down by a group that didn't want new inventions and he smashes into the base of the Chrysler building, home to the group and it falls. The groups wrok is for nothing, and slavers from all over help in the war against the group. The group then thinks the charater did this, now that they are pointing fingers in the decline. He leaves on a steamboat to Stautan Island where it is peaceful. The group finds him there after a month or two and the Character is jailed. He escapes when the slavers take over the place. Now the group is gone and settlements move in to take over the lands.

i have made a fanmade fallout table top roleplaying game that takes place in new york, which is now called new liberty.

What about Beijing, or Shanghai, it would be interesting to see what China is like after the Great War. Noravea, 17:21, May 28th, 2010

I agree, I'd like to see other countries other than USA. New York would be interesting sure. But USA only has 250 years of history to draw on, maybe a little more if you attempt to include Native American Tribal culture but most games don't. Personally I'd like to see how UK and France look after the Great War. It would be very interesting to go snooping around in post-apocolyptic London or Paris. There's plenty of areas that people would recognise, a lot of history to explore, old churches, houses of parliament, big ben, arch de-triomphe, eifel tower, millenium eye, milenium dome, tower bridge, statue of liberty (France has one too you know). We could have a very interesting Fallout meets DiVinci Code kind of setting. I think it would ROCK.

Considering 1940s/50s American culture plays a huge part in the entire Fallout series, this would be an idiotic decision. Who cares about other countries? This is about the US, not about France or the UK. Besides, if they did make such a game it would probably be terrible. It's like if you said "They never make Call of Duty about the little countries, what about Call of Duty: Kosovo?" Leave alone the things that make this game what it is.

I say you base a fallout game in a vault and then you leave and then you find a boat and travel to like the european confedracy or whatever or you place it in like an extended version of f3 to see what happens to the lone wanderer. Or you can have the entire country at your disposal like with scaveanged trains and visit canada. NYC WOULD BE BEAST

NYC is a terrible idea. The Fallout series is great because they stick to less thought about major cities, so you can see what's going on outside of the major areas. Besides, NYC would be completely gone. Non-existent. And who would want to play Fallout: Rochester, or Fallout: Buffalo?

Fallout cincinati. It would look great in ruin

Who's to say that New York City would be blown to oblivion? Shouldn't DC also have been completely annihilated? After all, DC is the nations capital, which pretty much makes it the most important city in the country. Also, the bombs in the Fallout series aren't exactly Tzar Bombs. They were relatively low-wield (by today's standards). So, they wouldn't necessarily have destroyed everything. I think NYC would be an excellent place for a game, because as someone said before, no one has every tried to imagine a retro-futuristic New York. For all we know, the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings could be some of the shortest buildings in the city now. Of course, you would need a massive engine to be able to display massive skyscrapers like that. The  Jovar  23:50, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

If They do New York, please for the love of god include a quest based off an epsiode of seinfeld. You literally could pick any episode and it would be hilarious. I would love to go through Jerry's apartment coming across Superman Magazines, and perhaps a coffee table book on Coffee Tables (maybe Kramer's.) They should also include a monk's coffee shop and have at least four people frequently go there (3 guys and a girl). I always heard rumors that Jerry Seinfeld was in GTAIV, but they were false, and every since I've been craving a game to pay respects.

Also if they wanted to make a statement, they could do fallout:Cleaveland. They would just build the city as it already is (no bombs,radiation,mutants,ect. and it probably would make for the ugliest setting in the franchise

Saying Fallout 4 would be set in the Commonwealth just because a few NPC's talk about it is ridiculous. That's like saying Fallout 4 will be set in Ronto just because Ashur talked about it. New York is the most logical place. It would most likely be intact because the U.N disbanded before the war therefore making it less of a priority. If New York was nuked, it'd most likely be hit by one nuke just to prove a point. And you think in 200+ years not one person in the entire Ununited Wasteland of America would walk into the city, see the Empire State Building, look around and think "Hey, this place would make a great stronghold." New York is the only place to set Fallout 4. -The Wasteland Warrior

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1: The UN isnt a military target, so the effect of it being disbanded doest make New York less of a priority (if anything, it makes it a bigger target. No UN Ambasidors means less annonyance to Noncombatant nations - a strike on the UN, as its a strike on Ambasidorial staff could be seen as an act of war by UN-participating nations.  New York however remains a great population centre, a great psychological target and the hub of commercial activity (as a captilaist country relies on free-market companies to arm itself, it would be a serious blow to the war effort to lose the people running those companies - it puts  great big hole in the supply line.

2: Its considered bad form to put a "hangar" in text like that if you do not intend to use it - there isn't just a little Commonwealth and Insitute talk, their citizens are participating in the events of the captial wasteland, whereas Ronto is just a few tales. On the other hand, there is to my knowledge no canon discussions involving New York.

Don't get me wrong, I think Neo York is going to be a great location, if and when its used. But I think the next East Coast game is going to take the threads left from the last game.


 * I don't think so. I mean what kind of plot would Fallout: Commonwealth offer? Sure you could free or enslave the androids but who would you be? A Vault dweller? An android? Seems kinda flat. A Commonwealth based game sounds more like Fallout 3 DLC to me. Unless someone has some idea how to expand that. Also to people wondering what China looks like after The Great War, judging by the Chinese remnants in Fallout 3, it's prolly nothing but an irradiated waste. Not Wasteland. Waste. Take the empty parts of Fallout 3 and imagine that for about 100 thousand miles. User: MoonshadowDark


 * The same arguments could be made against Northern California, the DC area and Vegas, and we all know how those games ended up. Agent c 19:06, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fallout 1 &2 set up California and Nevada quite nicely. DC was not that great of an idea in practice, but we kinda saw where Bethesda wanted to go. Until someone can flesh out Commonwealth to more than save the robots or not, I'm not sold on the idea. User: MoonshadowDark
 * Which we can say happily now after the fact. Agent c 03:46, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * You know maybe they can do a Fallout: New York as a spinoff game like New Vegas. That way, people can get get what they want. Pro York fans get to play in the city while Pro Commonwealth fans can have Fallout 4. Everyone sorta wins. You could call it Fallout: Empire or something. Would anyone be okay with that? User: MoonshadowDark

I think that New York City would be a great location for any upcoming game, i agree with many post put up by people on the site, although NYC would be one of the first places the nukes would hit, in Fallout New Vegas, Mr. House had his own personal lasers to take out the nukes falling towards vegas, and although he did not stop all of the nukes, he was able to stop a majority of them. I think that this could also be used to tell why NYC is still standing, but some of the nukes aimed at NYC did hit, thus giving the game it's fallout feel. Also D.C., in my opinion would come first to attack, yet many major building such as tthe capitol building, lincoln memorial, washington munument are still standing, who's to say NYC wouldn't have the same feel as fallout 3, or the same look as the D.c. area, except with skyscrapers, and other various NYC monuments. I think that this would make for an excell ent game, and even though people have said NYC has been overused, i feel that NYC in a fallout theme would be much more different than any of us can imagine. But if a game in NYC were to happen, i would also like to see areas outside of the actual city. Whether the next game is based in NYC or not, I'm sure that Bethesda will continue to make great games. a fallout new york would be great the tazr bomb was not devoloped yet so the citys where oney hit by a 1 megaton atomic explosion thus not flating the city but leveing some ruins such as skyscrappers bending over into other skyscrappers plus D.C.whould be hit the hardest becuase with out maintaining a stedy government the country basicly collapes if all main leaders are killed so if that is the best the chinese have in there nuclear arsenal im sure all citys IN the U.S.are still intact but from all of the fallout seriers i have never seen what a collapsing sky scrraper would do thus the buildings may do more damage to the city than the bombs itself

NYC opponents make a lot of good points. but i would like the idea of new york. anything could have happened to stop its destruction or things could have been built entirely different to start with. maybe nyc wasnt the major player that is is in our world. my explanation would be that the city was too valuable to obliterate and was sparred most of it so PLA forces could invade. whats more of a message wiping it out or taking it for yourself and using it for your own needs/ renaming the city and put the people under Chinese rule? but on the other hand it would be extremely hard to pull off, keep the NYC proponents happy and win over the dissenters. i think they should save it on the shelf and come back when game technology catches up with the idea. JimmyDreznaut017 17:01, July 24, 2011 (UTC)