Talk:This Machine/Archive 2

The Vault policy on real world weapon references
We don't put real-world weapon references on article pages, unless it's the same name as the real-world weapon, or if is mentioned by a developer that the ingame weapon is intended to represent a specific real-world weapon.

Multiple copies
Should this be posted as a bug? At level 18, I went and did the quest for the gun. Coming back and talking to Boyd at level 30, I have the option to turn in Contreras and get a second This Machine. Note I did not have the first copy in my inventory. I tried putting the second copy in a desk and talking to her again, but the option was not there. Can someone confirm this? I'm going to wait 72 hours and try again for the option to show up.

EDIT: Waited 72 hours, deposited gun in the 38, came back, asked about thefts, looked at supply computer again, still no option for This Machine. I don't know how it happened, but now I have 2 This Machines. Not that that's bad, though.

it should be noted that the gun "This Machine" and it's inscription are a reference to Woody Guthrie's famous guitar, which had the phrase "This machine kills fascists" painted on the front. i would add this myself, but the page is locked. Chris Day 21:07, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's already there at the bottom of the article. And the page is only locked for unregistered contributors according to the header when you go to edit. Great Mara 21:11, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Policy?
Exactly why does the policy block any innocent bits of trivia? It looks extremely similer to the Garand and I don't see any point in not saying something like that. And don't get stuck into me for posting this in the wrong place, if annoys you that much, copy/paste it to the right page. General Geers 08:58, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * The general policy about naming weapons to real-world counterparts is based on the fact that the developers never said it was specifically modeled after an M1 Garand (although it very much looks like one). We have the same problem with the Automatic Rifle. Despite looking like a Browning automatic rifle, we can't call it that because a developer never once addressed it as such. We're just trying to keep speculation to a minimum. Best regards, Kastera(talk) 17:00, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding? How is it speculation!? If it looks like a real-world weapon but its not officialy based off it you keep quiet? That doesn't make sense. Just because a dev never yapped about it doesn't change the gun model. It even makes that distinct ping when the last round is fired for gods sake. General Geers 17:12, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is the policy of the Vault to not include real world references or similarities to a page, unless called so in-game or by a dev The Vault:Content policy. The reasoning behind the policy is irrelevant as the policy still stands, now if you have an issue with the policy and wish to have it amended, then you need to bring it up on the forums for discussion and a vote and not the talkpage. The talk page is for discussing the page only and not the overall policy of the Vault, end of argument. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 19:11, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah yeah whatever, short answer: Policy's stupid. General Geers 19:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you feel so strongly about it and believe that the policy sucks, then why not go about getting it changed instead of sitting here moaning about it and achieving nothing? unless you are trolling. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 19:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Clearly, I've achieved something, otherwise why respond? General Geers 20:29, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess that answers my question, you are simply trolling. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 20:48, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Trolls cannot spell nor use grammar. I'm not trying to insulting anyone either. I'm just making a point. General Geers 21:06, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * LOL, he's got a point there. Whether the policy is stupid or not, we all know that it's an M1 Garand.  It being said or not in the title makes no difference.  However in the off chance that it's called something else I would believe the policy is there to prevent misinformation.  Afterall, the Service Rifle looks a lot like an M16/AR15 but is in fact not.  Calling it an M16/AR15 would be wrong.  So same situation applies here.  Does that help make sense, General?  - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011 19:27 hrs

Why don't we put something in there that says "The similarities between this weapon and real World War II era weapons display the slowed evolution rate of conventional weapon technology in the Fallout Universe as compared to ours." Also, diversion in the Fallout Timeline didn't occur till the 50's and 60's so you could put it down as the M1 but it could also be the M14 so I guess you can't.--Skipbomber 21:24, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, dude, there was a Desert Eagle in Fallout 1. So no, there was no "slowed evolution rate". Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 01:02, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

There is a slowed evolution rate for conventional arms in the fallout universe, the Desert Eagle may have been made in 1982 and later but remember the weapon was still in use around 2077 and I'm pretty sure we won't be using Desert Eagle's then. The developers of Fallout 2 and Fallout: Tactics also said it was a mistake for them to use near modern real life weapons and the Desert Eagle could be grouped into that category. And if we are using an M1 Garand type weapon in 2077 there is a slowed evolution of conventional weapons.--Skipbomber 20:53, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it's only a one of a kind weapon, I'm pretty sure it wasn't "still in use around 2077". Just like how I own a Lee Enfield No1 Mk III from 1917, most likely This Machine was in the similar role.  Probably passed down through a family line.  Whoever last owned This Machine most likely inherited it through their fathers to way back from their Great Great Grandfather who fought in WWII or was just someone who owned one in the late 20th century. - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011  19:37 hrs
 * The weapon was still in use around 2077 since the inscription says "This Machine kill Commies", America and China weren't directly fighting until 2066 when China invaded Alaska. And why someone would bring their Grandfather's WWII relic to the front line is beyond me.--67.218.160.16 02:55, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

@Above In WWII the Italian forces the Allies fought were under a Communist rule, and like the Desert Ranger armor helemt, a soldier must've decorated his rifle and carved "This machine kills commies" on it. And as for how a like, 400 year old rifle survived a nuclear holocaust, the owner of the rifle at the time of the war must've kept it preserved, and totally outfitted it to survive. But still, noone noes if this is the famous Garand or not. --WisestWiseGuy101 22:13, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I wish people would stop arguing about this. Yes, it's probably based on an M1 Garand. But the devs have not stated this, therefore it doesn't go in the article. Besides, we can't be 100% certain that it is a genuine Garand. It could be a foreign copy or something like that, like the Chinese Assault Rifle, it is based on the Khalashnikov family of assault rifles, but it's most likely made by Norinco (since they have a habit of cloning Russian weapons), but it's never stated, so it might as well have been made somewhere in Greenland for all we know. This shit is going to be even worse when Old World Blues comes out, since we see Graham fixing up a bunch of 1911 design pistols, a lot of people are going to be all "This is a Colt 1911A1 Government", but that's the thing, we don't actually KNOW this, the 1911 has been copied all over the world. It could be a Strayer, a Kimber, a Smith & Wesson, a Star Model-P or any other model, the design has been around for 100 years. There are MANY copies that look exactly like the original model. The entire problem with this is that it's going to cause an editing shitstorm by people who are going to argue about the very specific model, or details, or in the case of the 9mm pistol, which is clearly designed after the Browning HP (but not stated to actually be so), some people insisted it was a 1911. Unless it's called M1 Garand, it's not going to be referred to as an M1 Garand. 95.109.102.252 15:04, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, Sawyer confirmed the 9mm was based on the Browning HP, hence why that page states as much. Other than that, everything else is pure speculation in terms of real world weapons. Even the evolution of weapons in the Fallout world is speculation. Let me put it this way for you, if Armstrong wasn't the first man on the moon in the Fallout world, then nothing is for certain. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 15:45, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing we know for certain is that everything up to the end of World War II in both our history and the Fallout history is exactly the same. After that, it's all speculation (besides stated canon).  It's like setting off the first atomic bomb (Trinity) not only split atoms but split our universe as well, one original and one tangent (Fallout).  Or at least that's my imaginative way of mixing quantum physics and fiction together. :) - Demon971 @ 15-May-2011 19:43 hrs


 * Actually you could argue that it was before WWII since Sunset Sarsaparilla entered production in 1918. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 01:31, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

you just really fucked up because i dont remember one word from them saying the 9mm pistol is a browning high power so remove that than too--Corporal grif 10:19, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Relation to "Battle Rifle"?
Im not sure where else to post this, as searches for "Battle Rifle" redirect to this unique weapon's page. Blake at Crimson Caravan Company sells a Battle Rifle, that also uses .308 ammunition. However, I can't find any info on the weapon in the Vault. Is it possibly a generic version of This Machine (since it seems somewhat similar, and that weapon had no common variant for repairs) added in the DLC? Just a guess... Maybe I'm just missing something obvious. Could someone enlighten me? - MayaMayhem 10:10, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a mod installed, I believe, and that's where it comes from. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 10:16, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay, sorry for that. I was pretty sure I hadnt installed anything that affected available weapons, just WMX gun mod expansion... but, that must be it. Thanks for the quick reply! :) MayaMayhem 10:29, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

WMX adds a Battle Rifle, as with non unique version of the other unique weapons (pretty much what the Gun Runners Arsenal does btw). ~Wyrmalla

Reload
The reload sound should incorpoarate the "ping" made when ejecting the cartridge, as it is a characteristic of this gun that makes it stand out a bit more than others. --  Valoopy 04:06, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

M1 Garand issue
It is really a variant thereof http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/203867588076279173

its got the famous clip ejection sound of mi garaand too

im putting it in but if i get busted its going on your head