User talk:GhostAvatar/Archive 15

Interwiki table
Just noticed your remark regarding the interwiki table - you're right, it needs a cleanup. I've taken some first steps in that direction by making the "wikia:" and "wikiasite:" prefixes work like they do on Wikipedia; unfortunately, the changes to the former are not going through currently (not sure whether it's a caching issue or something else). However, once it does go through I'd suggest to convert all "w:c:" links to "wikia:" via bot, similarly convert all uses of individual prefixes for wikia sites (e.g. change "3dgame:" to "wikia:3dgame:") and then get rid of all the prefixes for wikia sites other than "wikia:" and "wikiasite:". What do you think?

By the way, I replied to your messages regarding the buttons and maintenance categories - just in case you missed it :) -- Porter21 (talk) 09:26, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've started working on this both here and on the Wasteland Wiki. I've had my bot convert all specific prefixes for Wikia sites to "wikia: :" syntax (also replaced external links with interwiki ones where appropriate) and removed those prefixes from Wasteland Wiki's interwiki table. Will do the same here once the bot has finished updating all the pages (fun fact - there are 399 Wikia entries in the interwiki table). Question is; how to proceed from here? Leave it like that, re-sync it with the default interwiki table (plus our own prefixes) or remove all the stuff we'll likely never need? -- Porter21 (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, as you seem to have noticed this is causing quite a few new red links and wanted files to show up. Sorry about that, but those links were broken before the changes really, they just were not tracked.
 * I've also thoroughly screwed up the forums in terms of thread display order... -- Porter21 (talk) 23:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've had the bot skip links to user blogs and blog comments, so except for a few which might have slipped through before I noticed this to be an issue it should be fine (those links are still pointing to the Wikia).


 * I tend to agree regarding the interwiki links - most of the default stuff in the default table is of dubious relevance (http://www.herzkinder.info - really?). I suppose we should keep the various MediaWiki sites, large and notable wikis (Wowpedia, WoWWiki, Memory Alpha, Uncyclopedia etc), maybe a few of the utility prefixes (like google: or imdb:) and our own - the rest can go as far as I'm concerned.


 * Regarding the forums, I've only been pondering how to automate the archiving process to some extent so we don't have to do it manually. My only idea so far was subst'ing a time variable upon thread creation and have the template change the category if X amount of time has passed since thread creation (similar to how verify works). No idea whether that'd work though; haven't had the time to try it. But if we're not going to get a better forum (something which I'm not willing to cede yet) we'll need some sort of archiving solution. -- Porter21 (talk) 14:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox
Don't know whether you've noticed my posts on Ausir's talk page - I've had to partially revert Infobox to an older version because the ImageSizeInfoFunctions extension originally was not compatible with MW 1.18. Once the fixed version has been installed (it'll show up as "ImageSizeInfoFunctions (version 1.0.2)" on Special:Version), could you please revert the last revision of both Infobox and Infobox/aux3 in case I'm not around? I'd appreciate it. -- Porter21 (talk) 00:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just FYI, I've already done this. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

TitleBlacklist
Yeah, I noticed. It's a good interim measure; hopefully Curse will get into gear some time and reinstall the extension (fun fact: it's installed on Wasteland Wiki, which is also on 1.18). -- Porter21 (talk) 14:20, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's installed again. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * With TitleBlacklist, you can actually set up customized messages for each regex as well (with the option); I just didn't do it because I'm a lazy person and forgot :P


 * The point regarding the blacklist being publically viewable is a fair one, but I'm not sure whether the bots have really been adapting - I think the regex we use never caught all variants of bot names to begin with. We had bot registrations with names similar to the ones which are currently getting through (<10 letters plus 2 numbers) before I even started using TitleBlacklist to block certain user names; I simply couldn't encompass these since a regex to block them would block too many valid user names (such as my own, for instance). Another indicator that the bots haven't really adapted is that once TitleBlacklist was disabled, the "BotName123" ones returned - if they had adapted, they wouldn't have.


 * There are some advantages I see in using TitleBlacklist for this: For one, it's not subject to AbuseFilter's condition limit and, as such, is potentially more expandable. Right now, we only have two regexes, but I doubt it'll stay that way for long (Wikipedia's TitleBlacklist is quite a bit longer). TitleBlacklist regexes also do not reduce the number of conditions available for more advanced stuff which can only be handled by AbuseFilter. It's a similar situation as with AbuseFilter and SpamBlacklist; AbuseFilter could potentially handle everything SpamBlacklist does but using SpamBlacklist frees up AbuseFilter conditions. Finally, a more technical point; adding things to AbuseFilter means increasing the server load for every action tracked by AbuseFilter (such as every page edit), whereas TitleBlackList only runs when uploading files, creating accounts and creating new pages. It's simply more efficient to use the latter where possible.


 * Just my 2 cents. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not sure about the load argument - even if AbuseFilter only runs the first condition, that condition is still run on every action tracked by AF (which includes every page edit, for instance) and not only on page/account creation. But that's probably a more academic question at this point than something of real relevance I guess.


 * There's another argument in favour of TitleBlacklist, by the way - apparently I forgot to mention that one. I've had Curse set up the Wasteland Wiki's spam and title blacklists so it inherits The Vault's, i.e. any rules we add to these extensions here also automatically apply to this wiki. That's not possible with AbuseFilter rules as far as I know.


 * However, I agree with the sentiment that no matter how annoying the spam is, we have to make sure any rules we put in place do not get in the way of legitimate edits or account registrations. Since that argument carries quite a bit of weight and I'm undecided myself, I'll leave it up to you whether you want to use AbuseFilter or TitleBlacklist to block the spam bot accounts. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

EditTools
I've found a different, jQuery-based version of the Edittools script which I've replaced the current one with. I've also moved it to a default-on gadget so people can turn it off if they like. -- Porter21 (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't think this is caused by the new script - if you disable the new editor it works fine, and if you disable the script but enable the new editor it doesn't work either. Seems our version of Extension:CharInsert isn't compatible with Extension:WikiEditor. -- Porter21 (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Been looking into this some more after you mentioned that the editor's toolbar doesn't work either (since that one shouldn't rely on CharInsert functionality), and it's actually QuickLink which is at fault. Clicking on any of the buttons (EditTools or editor) throws a JS error ("QuickLink.inputField is null") which prevents the insert scripts from working. Whoever wrote the QuickLinks script should seriously read up on why you should check whether stuff you try to modify actually exists... -- Porter21 (talk) 00:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * QuickLink has been uninstalled; everything seems to work properly now. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, cursory testing on my local install seems to suggest LinkSuggest doesn't work either, although I'm not sure why. With QuickLink, it's fairly obvious why it doesn't work; WikiEditor's toolbar has a different name so it doesn't where to add the input/suggestions box and subsequently errors add when trying to update said box. That shouldn't be an issue with LinkSuggest though seeing as it adds no box and the id of the textarea hasn't changed. I'll look into it some more when I get the chance.


 * By the way, the new editor's toolbar can supposedly be extended with own dropdown menus/buttons, so maybe we should look into adding the template options directly there and keep EditTools only as a fallback option for people who have the new editor disabled. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

FloatingToolbar
What do you think of the new version of the script? :) -- Porter21 (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) Also thanks for (indirectly) reminding me of the ShowMessageNames gadget :P I installed it back when we moved but subsequently deleted it when I realized it only works with 1.18+. I've now re-added it, and I've also added the button to the toolbar. It's hidden by default since I figured it's more an option for people like you and me and not something that's useful for everyone, so you'll have to unhide it with  in your common.css.


 * What do you think about making the toolbar a default-on gadget either for everybody or for registered users? I was hesitant to make it a site-standard script with 1.17 because people would not have been able to turn it off (easily), and I know a number of people find such toolbars rather annoying since they get in the way when using the browser search etc. However, with the new hiding option I don't think the latter is much of an issue anymore, and default-on gadgets solve the "turning off" problem. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Good idea regarding the "show messages" button (guess this also applies to the "purge" one) - I didn't think of that :) I was planning to add a proper way for other gadgets to hook into the toolbar and add new buttons (rather than having to add each button manually to the toolbar script), but I guess this is a good interim solution. I'll modify the PurgeButton and ShowMessagesNames gadgets accordingly.


 * You also have a point regarding anons. I think it'd probably be best to run this by the community so we can get more input; I wanted to do this anyway before enabling it site-wide. I'll make a forum thread. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Altered the gadgets. I've moved "show message names" to the FTB's toolbox; it seems inconsistent to have it as a toolbox item in the top nav but as an action button in the toolbar.
 * Also created the forum thread. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox quest
Could you take a look at my various attempts (#1, #2, #3, #4) to integrate achievements into Infobox quest? I seem to lack a good idea for a design, maybe you'll have more luck... Example is at [ User:Porter21/sandbox6], feel free to play around with that and sandbox5. -- Porter21 (talk) 09:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe use an icon for "score" and "trophy"? The bottom section seems a bit (for lack of a better term) "overloaded". What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you think about the [ current versions]? My favourite is the third one. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This is now live. In IE7, it behaves like design #2 (i.e. the scores are always on a new line) but I guess that's something we can live with. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've added it to the challenge infobox. -- Porter21 (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Cut content
So as long as some part of the page somewhere was cut, we put the cut weapon category on it? Nitty the Kitty! 20:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixes
Really? I thought that the VB ones would be alright... Are we talking the Van Buren ones? Or the MSG, or both? 18:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, saw your edit summary. That's fine GA :) GuardianoftheWastesTag.pngUser Avatar talk.png 18:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What on earth are you doing? :3 GuardianoftheWastesTag.pngUser Avatar talk.png 23:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * With all the dev pages? What's the purpose of removing invisible text? :) GuardianoftheWastesTag.pngUser Avatar talk.png 23:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Well then, that seems fair enough. Are we going to do anything about all these pages in the end - I noticed Jspoel doing the same thing. -- GOTW '''User 19:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea, I'll leave you to it for now, but as soon as I can help you, I shall :) -- GOTW '''User 20:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Merge
Thanks for all the help, Ghost. I really appreciate it. Now I can continue with doing what I do best: Obsessing about Fallout and fixing every spelling and grammar error I see.  ~ DynamicArchetype 18:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Tranquility Lane- the Fallout fanfiction wiki
I noticed that the Fallout fan fiction wiki associated with The Vault has not been moved away from Wikia. (That's fine with me, since they're a smaller wiki, and it may not have been considered necessary) I have also noticed that they seem to be actively displaying a large link to Wikia's Nukapedia on their main page, Nukapedia being Wikia's attempts to steal users away from us by maintaing a mirror of the old Vault. (which they've done with most wikis that have moved away)

I could setup a wiki at Wikkii.net wiki hosting, (it doesn't have to be me to set it up, and it doesn't have to be with Wikkii. I'd actually prefer it if someone else took responsibility) which is basically the same features as setting up your own wiki with a professional web hosting company. We could also use our same falloutwiki.com domain name with it. All It'd really need here is for the link to the fanon wiki on the main page to be changed to the new one.

There's also a need to move the wiki away from Wikia, since their skin is hard to use, hard to read, hard to navigate, and they've apparently decided to sellout the wiki background as advertising space, meaning that every user sees meaningless kitsch on every page of the wiki, which just degrades it's content.

Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus Sturmkrieg Sektor (Contributions) (Edit Count) 02:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I did mention at Tranquility Lane about I year ago that I thought it would be good to move, but it was voted down.  That was before The Vault moved, and the fact that it was still at Wikia was the main reason for not moving.  I might suggest it again because of the change, but I'd appreciate support from other users.  Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus Sturmkrieg Sektor (Contributions) (Edit Count) 18:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I was also thinking about starting a fallout fan fiction wiki as Sturmkrieg project. In that event, I'd be willing to give admin positions to all the original admins, as if it was any other move. Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus Sturmkrieg Sektor (Contributions) (Edit Count) 18:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Untitled

 * Hey Ghost could you hit me up in chat sometime? Thanks.--Kingclyde 05:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

OEI Logo picture
Currently the picture on the page (OEI Motion Pictures) is an entire poster not the logo itself, and I was wondering do you know how to crop it larger?--Ant2242 04:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Projects
Are there any jobs that need to be done? I'll also go check the Community Portal. Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus dem Sturmkrieg Sector (Contributions) (Edit Count) 02:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Missing FEV info
Weston Lesko found the FEV that the super mutants in Fallout 3 were looking for, as evedence in Those!. Shouldn't there be a referance to that on the FEV page, the supermutant page(s), and prodably the EEP page?--Ant2242 18:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Autoblock
I love your autoblock feature, it's great. We should name it! ;) -- GOTW '''User 22:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Like Geoffrey or something (User was blocked by Geoffrey for persistant vandal attempts). It was juts a joke. And thanks for adding those things over there for me :) -- GOTW '''User 20:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Fallout 3 locations project
Since the move has the project's page been updated?--Ant2242 22:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC) Should I put the unmarked locations in the project in italics for an easer identification? Also how would one be included said project?--Ant2242 21:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Offensive-defensive-conflict
I'm sorry GA, but I have to disagree that it was anything other than a defensive movement because China had invaded US soil - thus any attempt to reclaim lost land was purely in defense, so I'd really quite like it to remain that way on the page. "In 2059, the United States establishes a significant military force to protect its oil interests in Alaska, in light of the ever dwindling oil reserves in the world, as well as increasing tensions with China. In the winter of 2066, the Americans' fears become reality as the Chinese military invades Alaska and takes over a significant portion of the land. Alaska becomes a war zone between the United States and China, furthering fears of nuclear apocalypse around the world. On January 10, 2077, the United States finally reclaims Alaska from the Chinese."

- From the Alaska page, clearly saying that it was a defensive action rather than merely a conflict

I know this may seem an over-reaction, but I feel quite stongly about this, as well as somewhat of an insult that you can't trust my judgement to change one word without neutering said word. I'llwait for you to get back to me before I change it back :) -- GOTW '''User 18:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay then. I'll change it to something that flows smoothly then, and you can tell me what you think :) -- GOTW '''User 20:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Will you tell me what you think please GA, I value your opinion. -- GOTW '''User 23:08, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah I see now, thanks a bunch. See you soon bbz ;) -- GOTW '''User 23:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Templates
I'll take care of it. I reverted some changes of mine to the basic "va-table" class which were supposed to prevent the styles "bleeding over" to nested tables since I thought the increased complexity of the CSS rules wasn't worth the gain - guess I was wrong. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

MessagingImprovements gadget
Hmm. That the additional link is displayed when there has only been one change is as designed; the script doesn't actually check the talk page itself. It's a fairly simple script: I'm not sure how the amount of people who left messages and/or the amount of messages could influence either of that; I also haven't run into the problem myself so it's kind of hard to track for me. If/when it happens again, could you check your browser's JS console to see whether there are any error messages? -- Porter21 (talk) 07:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Whenever you visit your talk page, it creates/updates a cookie which contains the current talk page revision's ID.
 * Whenever the "You have new messages" notification is displayed, it creates the additional link based on the cookie and appends it to the notification.


 * That makes sense - most JS (including the MessagingImprovements) is run when the DOM has loaded, and AJAX operations (such as reloading parts of the page) do not automatically run the "onload" scripts again. In this case this means the "new messages" div is being reset to its original, non-modified state as soon as AjaxRC reloads the #bodyContent div (since the former is a child of the latter). I'll look into it. -- Porter21 (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Should be fixed now. -- Porter21 (talk) 09:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki links
I think it's a good idea. Personally, I'd use a different, more neutral color (like #CCC or some other shade of grey) though - green is a bit too eye-catching for this purpose in my opinion. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Porter21 (talk) 12:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Having had a few days to evaluate this, I'm starting to think we should simply use the blue icon for these links as well and maybe provide a gadget with the grey icon. I think for most people, especially readers, the difference between an external and an interwiki link is neglible - all they care about is whether it is a link which takes them off-site, and both of these do. Introducing yet another icon seems superfluous from this point of view. What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Person articles
Thanks for all your work on the person articles :) I was doing them piece-meal but with all the other stuff on my plate I'd probably not have been finished until Christmas... -- Porter21 (talk) 07:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I noticed. Truth be told, while doing the conversion I've started to question the relevance of the employment history tables - they're highly inaccurate, mostly just guesswork (because there really isn't a way to track that stuff reliably) and I feel that people's careers outside of the Fallout series (aside from a few highlights) are a bit outside our scope. But for the credits tables the category is definitely handy since I only auto-added the release dates for commonly appearing games. -- Porter21 (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess my previous message didn't make clear what I actually meant. What irks me about the current setup is the following (it's not solely the employment history tables but they're a big part):
 * Too much stuff in tables. Almost all text content on person pages (save for "behind the scenes" tidbits and the lead section) is in tables.
 * Too much repetition. There are "career" sections which are often redundant with "employment history", the lead section is often redundant with "credits". For a reader, it gives the impression that we didn't know what to fill the page with and therefore just repeat what little info we have for "padding".
 * Inaccurate employment history data. While you're right that for some developers you can find out that kind of stuff, for most minor devs you really can't and people have to taken to filling the blanks with (educated) guesses. For instance, for most devs it's near-impossible to determine when exactly they left one company and when they started working for another. Or, in the case of QA people, whether they worked for the publisher or developer (QA is mostly handled by the publisher but developers also employ in-house QA to some extent). Or, in the case of e.g. (sound) artists, whether they actually worked for either company or whether they were contractors. Etc etc etc. So people try to construct employment histories out of game credits (I highly doubt the result of that is actually accurate) or we're left with blanks we can't really expect to ever be filled.
 * So, what I meant is that I'd prefer to ditch the employment history tables and instead have that kind of info (where it's interesting and relevant) in a non-table "career" section. It'd help with all aforementioned issues, and if we figure out how to avoid repetition between lead section, "credits" and "career" we'd end up with a much more sound layout in my opinion. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Keep it up!
Keep up the good work Ghost, you've been everywhere recently! :) -- GOTW '''User 19:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Still, you're doing heaps on this account too, I'm impressed. That 'Jspoelstra' fella has nothing on you ;) -- GOTW '''User 19:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, now that I can see your reasoning I think that it's okay. No-one else will complain I think, and I'm sure it'll grow on me. It's a good compromise if people do complain though to have it as a gadget.
 * Another good point - you've won me over, even if it will take some getting used to ;) In the end though, I think we will benifit :) -- GOTW '''User 22:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * At last, the key to GA's secret editing tactic - I always wondered how some people knew which pages to go to that needed improvement. Thanks, this is great :D -- GOTW '''User 22:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

common.css
Fist I wanted to Thank you for your imput in the matter. Sorry about that by the way. Secondly do you know how to make that common.css backround thing?--Ant2242 20:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC) Yea I want to make my user pages' backround like the older image. -portal-section-header { background-color: #044D22; background-image: url(data:image/jpeg;base64,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); background-image: url(/images/d/d1/Wiki-background.jpg?1) !ie; } Like this?--Ant2242 21:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

So if I changed the css backround for me it would have to be for all the pages I see not just my user page?--Ant2242 21:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Is it under shared backround or general fixes?--Ant2242 22:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The common.css MediaWiki: page, right at the begining.--Ant2242 22:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh so is there a template page? If so what is it?--Ant2242 22:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Tryed that its now gone to a solid gray instead of the backround image.--Ant2242 23:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Where did you find the picture? I still can't find the one that Im looking for.--Ant2242 00:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Wiki-background.jpg

Thank You.--Ant2242 02:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

For some reason my backround image wont come up. Do you know what happened? I think it was moved and I tryed to fix it myself but it didn't work.--Ant2242 18:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--Ant2242 19:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Untitled reply
I was only voicing my concerns, and I apologise if it sounded as if I were "scolding" anyone. And please don't assume that I am posting under my "pseudo-authority" of being an admin at Nukapedia. That is actually untrue since I only brought that up so the comment didn't seem as randomised as it would've without it. I hadn't detected any significant comments of such spreading of distrust on Nukapedia, and I believe you are still participating in debates and whatnot at Nukapedia too. Once again, sorry if I sounded berating or anything, it truly wasn't intended so. -- SigmaDelta54 18:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Spam accounts
Sounds like a good idea. Even though Asirra doesn't seem to be that efficient in blocking the latest wave of spam, it's still worth a try whether it can stop the other spam bots. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Good to hear :) -- Porter21 (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Videos
Just noticed you're playing around with the EmbedVideo extension. In case you're interested, I set up some basic showcases for a thumbnail-like appearance a while back, even though they're not "templatified" (no parameters) yet. -- Porter21 (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Easiest way to do that is probably to wrap it all in an  with left-floated list items (like the image galleries).  would be an alternative, but in IE7 that only works on elements with a natural  . Anyhow, I'll leave you to it ;) -- Porter21 (talk) 14:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Why would you need to use pipe escapes? Should work fine without (see my changes to your sandbox). -- Porter21 (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Example (source) - needs some CSS tweaks but otherwise seems to be working fine. -- Porter21 (talk) 15:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Matter of practice mostly :) I've expanded it & moved it to Video gallery. Feel free to use it, only thing that's missing is the documentation. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've done that a little differently but forgot to add a wrapper div around the video itself. Should be fixed now. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I still haven't figured out why the gap between video gallery items in IE7 is larger than the gap between image gallery items (they're identical in other browsers), but otherwise the CSS seems to be working cross-browser now. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The smaller gap in image galleries seems to have been caused by removing the 2px white borders around gallery items (which I did to make 6 gallery items fit on one row); the gap in video galleries was actually as large as it should be. Fixed that now. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Documentation done. Also expanded the template to 15 items (so we can have 5 rows with 3 videos each at default size). -- Porter21 (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -- Porter21 (talk) 19:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Consumables
I like :) Maybe add a little gap between the second and third column? I think then it'd be easier to see at first glance that it's two sets of two columns rather than one table with 4 columns. Something like this: -- Porter21 (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with Porter; the tables are pretty nifty. For the position in the article, I think it should be a subheading under ==Characteristics== and before ===Crafting=== (if applicable). Maybe have the heading as ===Effects based on Medicine/Survival)=== . Thoughts? --Kastera (talk) 02:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look tomorrow morning. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks good, well done :) I've made a few, mostly stylistic changes so the code is a bit easier to digest, but nothing major. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a heads-up - I've redone the structure of the template. The/my previous method for the column divider caused 1px of the left column's upper border to be "shaved off", and it's been irking me :P -- Porter21 (talk) 11:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm ok, I hadn't thought of that - I've reverted the change. The "1px shave" problem and the browser differences you've observed are caused by va-table's  which is resolved differently in each browser. -- Porter21 (talk) 02:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems to work fine in Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari and IE7/IE8. Good work :) -- Porter21 (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I can feel your pain - the rendering of tables with differently colored borders (and even more so with ) is highly inconsistent between browsers. -- Porter21 (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Header v3
You've probably noticed that a new version of the site header has gone live yesterday. This is basically the "no JS" version, i.e. it works with both JavaScript enabled and disabled. I hope I've also managed to properly resolve any and all z-index issues (hence the extensive re-arrangement of CSS), so the whole "leave user links expanded if JS is disabled" thing I suggested a while back turned out to be unnecessary.

Still working on the JS version of the buttons, but please let me know in case you notice any issues with the current version of the header. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Strange, I'm not seeing any bullets in IE7 or IE8. Which IE version are you using? -- Porter21 (talk) 15:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Better now? I still can't replicate it, but I've made some adjustments which might fix it. And just to be sure, you're talking about the list items in #p-personal, right? -- Porter21 (talk) 16:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Good to hear it's fixed, but once again IE never ceases to "amaze". The bug you ran into with IE9 quirks mode doesn't appear in IE8, IE8 quirks mode or IE7...
 * Regarding the updated header itself, glad you like it. It was fairly easy to do once I had figured out how to resolve the z-index issue with the user links (which was the only reason the buttons were completely JS-based in the first place). Turns out I wouldn't even had to wait for 1.18 for this, but hindsight is 20/20 :P Also got the updated JS version working now, will probably go live later this day.
 * I've also create a crude first version of the "hoverintent" menus; if you want to try it out, simply add this to your common.js:


 * Only affects the main navigation menus (and the toolbox dropdown) right now. I think it improves usability by making moving the mouse over the header less "fiddly" (you don't end up accidentally opening menus as often); what do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 10:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I was planning to apply the hoverIntent to all hover menus eventually; the test script only affected the main nav so it'd be easier to compare hoverIntent with the standard CSS hover ;)

The new header version is now live, with hoverIntent enabled (i.e. you can remove the script from your personal JS). Still need to adapt the FloatingToolbar hover menu though. As for the delay, I'll look into it; the script does have a config option for a mouseout delay built in but I need to see how it works out in practice. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Been fixing the usual IE7 bugs, added hoverIntent to the FloatingToolbar and also ported all changes to the Wasteland Wiki. As usual, please let me know if you run into any issues. -- Porter21 (talk) 11:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

GHOST
Hey bro, do you mind me doing all the things I've done on Van Buren here too like I did on Nukapedia? ToCxHawK 00:13, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

2 Flooded metros in Fallout 3.
Since there are two seperate locations in game that have the same name, shouldn't that go to a disambiguated page where they divide by the station?--Ant2242 03:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

On the World Map the Arlington/Wasteland Metro is labled Flooded metro, since there is no name to the station would it be better named Flooded metro (Arlington Cemetery-Wasteland metro) or something else? I've tryed to adress this in the Flooded metro page. Whats your take on the subject?--Ant2242 19:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

How did you do your to do list box?
I think that I'll need one sooner or later so my user page isn't unnessesarly long.--Ant2242 20:00, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank You Again--Ant2242 22:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Traps pages
Is it nessessary to have two pages or should the Fallout 3 & Fallout: New Vegas traps pages be merged? Its the same basic information with different versions of the same traps for the different games.--Ant2242 17:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Would it be better to rename the pages Traps (Devices) for the divices page and Traps (Skill) for the Fallout, 2, and tactics page?--Ant2242 22:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
Shouldnt there be some sort of quote referance to the topic to said quote?--Ant2242 00:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

PurgeButton
Interesting. Seems making the toolbar script load jquery.hoverIntent has moved it behind the other gadgets in the load order - the "show message names" toolbox item is duplicated as well. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it, that's quite beneficial actually since it means I no longer have to add those buttons manually. I've removed the duplicates. -- Porter21 (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Moving the fallout fanon wiki
I'd be willing to host and setup the Fallout Fanfiction Wiki since I'm working on setting up gaming related fan fiction wikis.

I'd also give admin and bureaucrat status to all the admins from here and the old fanon wiki, if that's what they want. I thought about setting one up anyway, so it would pretty risk free. Inquisitor Sasha Ehrenstein aus dem Sturmkrieg Sector (Contributions) (Edit Count) 22:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Achievements and trophies images
Sorry, I don't remember where I got these from. All I remember is that they took a while to find, but I doubt that's going to be much help for you :P -- Porter21 (talk) 23:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * However, this site seems to have 240x240px versions of all achievements (including the GRA ones). They're downsized via HTML on that page (just so you don't wonder). -- Porter21 (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Seriously...
Thanks and good job on speaking the truth to those stubborn people on Nukapedia.  Broc    msg   20:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Background
I restored it. Ausir 21:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Should there be a generic King page?
Something like Wastelander or Scribe, I ask because I don't think there is one.--Ant2242 02:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC) Also shouldn't there be a King disambig page? For Ex. The Kings (faction), The King, King (generic), Named Kings etc...--Ant2242 00:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Table classes
Ok, thanks for letting me know. I've added "va-table-float-left" for completeness' sake. -- Porter21 (talk) 08:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I may have figured out a way to do a per-column alignment formatting for tables; e.g. in tables where all cells in the second column should have  and the cells in the fourth column should have , we'd simply be able to add the classes "va-table-col2-right" and "va-table-col4-center" to the table instead of changing the alignment for each cell in those columns manually. If you want to try it out, the CSS is in my common.css and my test page is User:Porter21/sandbox7. It should work up to column 5 right now; we can expand it later.


 * Colspans and rowspans will likely make this fall over, but I think for most of our mixed-alignment-tables it'd be a lot more convenient for editors (and it'd also speed up those pages by reducing the raw page size quite a bit). What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's been bugging me for a while as well. I looked into it a couple of times but never got any further than grumbling about MW's lack of support for colgroups or the lacking cross-browser support for :nth-child - it never occured to me to simply use :first-child in combination with the adjacent sibling selector. Like you said yesterday; sometimes you get so caught up in the advanced stuff that you miss the simple things ;)


 * Thanks for fixing my copy/paste error. I've expanded the CSS to support up to 15 columns and added it to Common.css. Also changed the naming to "va-table-center-col8" etc. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll look into the "paragraphs/lists within tables" thing; you're right, I really hadn't considered that the first block of text in table cells usually is not wrapped in tags. I was trying to get stuff in paragraphs/lists lined up vertically with "non-wrapped" table text content, but I suppose it's better to just scratch that and simply adjust only the top margin for the altered line-height. I'll chnage it accordingly.


 * Regarding Quotation, it indeed seems like a Chrome exclusive thing/bug which was introduced with the latest patch; it worked fine for me in the unpatched version of Chrome but once the update was applied, it didn't anymore. If  has no adverse effects in other browsers, feel free to go ahead and add it (maybe with a comment indicating that it should be re-checked later). I think Newsquote might be affected as well, but I don't have the time to check right now.


 * Regarding the justified text, I think The Gunny has activated "justify paragraphs" in his preferences and simply forgot about it :) -- Porter21 (talk) 08:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems using  on the quotation template does have adverse effects - it kills the centering of the quote (see e.g. Small Guns). -- Porter21 (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have an idea that might work but it requires a little re-writing of the template and I'm going to have to see how it holds up cross-browser - I'm going to try it out and get back to you. If it doesn't work out, we could dynamically add the  CSS via JS specifically for Chrome - it's not perfect but it seems like the best compromise to me: centering would keep working in other browsers and the overlap would be fixed for Chrome. -- Porter21 (talk) 06:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, seems my idea is working :) Basically I've converted the template to be div/span-based since the issue with Chrome seems to stem from how the browser calculates the table's margins. Downside is that the template likely no longer works in IE6 or IE7/8 quirks mode. I haven't done full cross-browser testing yet but it renders properly in Firefox, Chrome and IE7/IE8. The sample page is at [ User:Porter21/sandbox6], the CSS is in my common.css if you want to take a look yourself.


 * The new version also fixes that parser issue you mentioned in your last message. -- Porter21 (talk) 14:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

This now live. I've also added a new template (Inlinequote) for inline quotes (like those in the various "notable quotes" sections) and re-organized the quote templates a little (moved all of them to Category:Quote templates and created some redirects for easier use). This left me pondering whether "Pullquote" would be a better name for Quotation since it would better describe its purpose and would be more consistent with the names of the other quote templates (Newsquote, Inlinequote). What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 07:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Forum
Yeah, I've noticed the discussion - was going to reply later. The HTML checkmark is an interesting idea, but it looks kind of pixelated on my system. There's also the issue of having yes render differently than, but that should be solvable, of course. I don't think the JS overhead is really something we need to worry about - I'll post more details on this later in the forum thread.

As for alternatives; since we'll only have to do this for a select few images (the checkmarks and the cross), how about using a with   and a background-image? Browsers shouldn't be making a HTTP request for every single background image, so I think it'd be worth a try. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Been testing the bg image alternative a bit; I get the following page load times in FF (with a cold cache):


 * That's with JS tooltips enabled for the "bg image" and "image" versions and JS tooltips disabled for the HTML one. The required CSS for the "bg image" version can be found in my common.css if you want to take a look yourself. -- Porter21 (talk) 16:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know that feeling :) I'll look into integrating the "bg image" solution directly into Icon tomorrow; I'm too tired right now. -- Porter21 (talk) 18:01, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You've likely noticed by now, but this has been live for a few days (just need to finish writing up the "high-use icons" section of the template documentation). I've rewritten Icon using the Variables extension while I was at it; it's now a little more efficient (and it's now easier to add new icons in my opinion). -- Porter21 (talk) 08:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Ending
Thanks a lot. Also some questions. I see there was some minor changes. Where I should click to see all last contributions to the wiki? Current background sucks, very badly. Before that, there was some simple and well looking gray background. You could write how or link me some guide how to change bacground by my own CSS? --Languorous_Maiar 14:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit: Also, quotation from Arroyo (and every loction from FO1/FO2) doesnt work correctly, check that. Edit2: Not only locations, but people too. For example Granite. Factions too.


 * Yep, im using chrome. Once again, thanks for your prompt assistance. --Languorous_Maiar 22:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Kings
Any Ideas of a better name for generic Kings? Would it be a good idea to change Kings "faction" to The Kings then make the Kings "generic" charicters page?--Ant2242 04:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

News
Figured I'd give you a bit of an advance warning - I'm going to set up Wikilogs properly this week and as part of that, I'll import all the pre-split news items from Wikia. After importing the news items, I'll have my bot make some changes to make them compatible with the extension (rename them, apply other extension-specific fixes) and the usual Wikia->Vault changes (galleries, interwiki links). Finally, I'll delete the post-split news items from Nukapedia - I've tried to weed out the most obvious but more than likely I didn't get all of them. While the conversion is in progress, you'll likely notice the effects on all sorts of maintenance pages (which is the reason for the advance warning :P). -- Porter21 (talk) 09:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If it still were an issue, I would've forgotten about it :P I meant the "widths", "perrow" etc junk. -- Porter21 (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I could also use some feedback regarding the setup. Not sure how familiar you are with Wikilogs, so I'm gonna give a short explanation first:
 * Individual blogs (blog items):
 * On Wikia each blog item is assigned to a specific user (e.g. "User blog:Ausir/Example title").
 * With Wikilogs they are assigned to a blog listing instead (e.g. "Blog:News/Example title"). Simply put, each blog is a sub-page of a blog listing.
 * Blog listings:
 * On Wikia, blog listings (e.g. "Blog:Fallout") work based on (potentially multiple) categories. For example, "Blog:Fallout" pulls all blog items which are in category "Fallout news" etc.
 * With Wikilogs, blog listings simply list all their "sub-pages". For example, "Blog:News/Example" automatically appears on "Blog:News".
 * Embedded blog listings (used on main page etc):
 * Not much difference; they are based on categories both on Wikia and with Wikilogs.


 * The upside of Wikilogs' approach is that we no longer have news items appearing as someone's personal blog URL-wise. The downside is that it's simply not possible to have an article appear on multiple blog listings; each article always belongs to only one blog listing. This is a bit problematic if we want game-specific blog listings since we have quite a few news items (like the Fallout tidbits) which are about more than one game.


 * Another thing to consider is that RSS/Atom feeds are provided per blog, i.e. there are separate feeds for "Blog:News", "Blog:Example" etc. Back at Wikia we occasionally had complaints about wiki news or things like blogs "clogging" the news feed; with Wikilogs, we have the opportunity to address that.


 * So, taking all those things into account, here's what I'm planning:
 * Three main blog listings: "Blog:News" (Fallout-related stuff), "Blog:Wiki" (wiki news like the digests etc), "Blog:Polls" (for the abundance of poll "news items"). Also considering "Blog:Community" for Fallout-community-related stuff (like those "someone build a real-life replica of some Fallout item" things), not sure.
 * Per-game blog listings: Since we can't do "Blog:Fallout 3" etc, I'll create pages like "The Vault:Fallout 3 news" with embedded blog listing to get around the "one article -> one blog" limitation. Fortunately, the embedded listings are category-based like on Wikia. "Blog:News" would feature links to all game-specific listings and vice versa.


 * What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikilog's embedded listings are pretty similar to the embedded listings we had on the main page and other portals prior to the fork, i.e. they're auto-generated and show the last X articles with title, date, a text excerpt and the number of comments (with a link to the comments page). There is an example Wikilog at http://juliano.info/en/Blog:Memory_Leak - this is what the "Blog:" pages look like, and the embedded listings look like that as well unless we customize them.


 * There is a catch however; like on Wikia, embedded listings only show the last X items and no pagination. Hence I'm still pondering whether we really need own pages for the per-game listings - the alternative is to simply provide links to Special:Wikilogs with pre-set categories and blog to pull from. The plan's still a little sketchy on the details :P Guess some things I'll have to figure out along the way. -- Porter21 (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Wondering whether we should really keep the old weekly polls - we can't really import the poll data (question, options and particularly votes), so it seems kind of pointless to me. What do you think? -- Porter21 (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

NPC reactions to followers
I don't think a random quote format is really the best solution: I've added it to give a summary of people's reactions and I think it's counterintuitive to have them picked randomly. Suppose someone wants to see how Kings react to Cass and the page happens not to have them listed? There's no indication that it's a randomly picked set of quotes, so the enduser doesn't know he simply has to reload the page. I think it'd work better with, say, a collapsible table. Tagaziel 12:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's a brilliant solution. The reason I included them is to give any end user the ability to see the reactivity at a single glance, without having to wade through the GECK or meticulously test the game just to see them. I also think it's a lot more notable than character quotes, since they also provide a bit of information as to how the character is perceived by the environment, which otherwise would have to be translated into article text, losing a lot in the process. Tagaziel 06:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Expandable content/quotes/lines" maybe? Tagaziel 07:09, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Possible Van Burren concept art
Hello. Just want to ask your opinion. I've found some concept art on Robert Nesler's personal site. The image of Hoover Dam is the most interesting. Do you think the art is worth adding it to the wiki? veryblackraven 23:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)\
 * Ok, I'll try to contact with Rob Nesler and ask him. <font face="Segoe Script">veryblackraven 19:59, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! Robert was so kind to answer my question. My first direct contact with a developer so I'm a bit excited. :) I've posted his answer to the forum so we can discuss it and use the post as a reference if needed. <font face="Segoe Script">veryblackraven 19:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Spam
Oh, I see. I misread what it did then, but when some of the filters I imported were off because they were covered by it, I thought t was a spam blocked. And today alone there have been well more than a handful. Porter did loads earlier. But I guess that's to be expected. Why didn't we have this at Wikia? -- <font face="Courier New">GOTW '''User 13:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected about what Porter was deleting. -- <font face="Courier New">GOTW '''User 14:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, though I am unsure about possibility of it, is to also block edit summaries that are gibberish, as they are always produced by the spam bots. You could block something such as two or three caps in a row as one would never use them in genuine editing, or most of the time. We could make exceptions such as ZAX and others, and just makes sure people know. I'm just writing off the top of my head, so tell me what you think but don't be harsh. I am one tired bunny at the moment. Revision has fried my brain. ;) -- <font face="Courier New">GOTW '''User 15:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad I could help for once :). That was a quick turn-around GA, I'm impressed. Let's hope it works :). -- <font face="Courier New">GOTW '''User 17:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Expandable content
Looks fine to me, good work :) I'd have one improvement suggestion though (surprise :P); how about using a custom/remote toggle and placing it below the content? People might not notice the default toggle since it is a bit "out-of-the-way" on the right side of the page, and it doesn't help that it looks somewhat similar to the section edit buttons.

Custom/remote toggle examples can be found on this page - they're not really well-documented unfortunately. Since they need unique class names we'd have to employ the Variables extension to create these (similar to how Infobox creates unique IDs for the infobox). -- Porter21 (talk) 10:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah right - guess it shows I usually only work with collapsible tables, completely forgot that you can place the collapse button anywhere with non-table elements :P I like the third one; was going to suggest to style the toggle like a link, but it seems you already did that (except for the underline on hover) ;)
 * Just a minor thing - if the left margin of the toggle was 1.5em rather than 20px, the button would line up with the list text (1.5em is the margin on the </ul>). Right now it's 1px off (1.5em = 19.2px on my PC). I know, I know... ;) -- Porter21 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's 1.5em for both list variants and 2em for <dl ></dl>. 2em is also what we're using for hatnotes etc - suppose that might be the better number, but I'll leave it up to you.


 * :hover is not link-specific, it works on any page elements :) The only browser which doesn't support it on non-link elements is - take a wild guess - IE6 and below, but MW has a behaviour script built in to address that. And yeah, Common.css is where the template CSS goes. -- Porter21 (talk) 14:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Wood, trees etc :) -- Porter21 (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Combat armor (Fallout)
Someone subst'ed an old version of Location table instead of transcluding it, hence the <includeonly ></includeonly> stuff etc. Seen it a couple of times before. -- Porter21 (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Chris Jones
I've created a forum topic with some thoughts and foundings on Chris Jones. It looks like there actually two of them. :) If you have time, I'd appreciate your opinion on this. <font face="Segoe Script">veryblackraven 23:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Nukapedia Ban
Ghost as you know it has been more than a week since my ban at Nukapedia....since I can't leave you any message there I'll ask that you please lift my ban. Much appreciated thanks.AniMaLiaRaPs 20:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why it shows up at as AnimaliaRaps...but this is Dr. 0.....AniMaLiaRaPs 20:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

News
Hey Ghost. We were talking about me doing some news over here the other week. Should have some non Nukapedia Specific news I can relay over this week, plan is to do a Vault News Digest Pilot and see how things go. Agent c 23:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Catch up with me...
...soon if you can. I got something you're really gonna love.The Gunny 22:40, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood. I'll catch you when I can. I've got something I think you'll really get a kick out of.The Gunny 19:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Images
What happened to them? Also featured articules. --Languorous_Maiar 14:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)