Talk:Moira Brown/Archive 1

Moira Brown's ID
Moira's ID is 0002d2bc. --Trithemius 23:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Moira's Computer
Which would be the best page to add the entries from her terminal to? 78.33.94.210 23:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Depending on what those entries relate to you have several options:
 * Moira Brown - if it relates to her background
 * Craterside Supply - if it is just general info and is more connected with the place or activities in the shop
 * Megaton - it the notes relate to town itself or it's inhabitants
 * The Wasteland Survival Guide - if the notes are connected with/useful for the quest
 * Anyways, in the article that is not directly connected with those entries you can always make a note about them and describe them further in more suitable article. RDGST 18:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Repair Skil 100
If you give moria haley's handyman suit, will she be able to get her repair skil up to 100 just like haley? I have heard the glitch comes from the suit, and not from haley himself. User:Tehuberleetmaster

Discount
Anyone know the discount percent that you get at any merchant when they give you a discount? Gob, Moira, anyone? I've yet to see it listed anywhere, and it'd be nice to know.

Moira has lines to greet herself?
If you spawned clones of her, she'll greet her other selves with "Hi, Moira", "Hey there, Moira", or "Hello, Miss Brown". 118.100.127.31 05:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes she does. According to the GECK editor, the conversation tree is inherited from "ConvMegatown". It seems they recorded everyone's voice for everyone in town. So I assume this works for other people in town too. --Voidvector 08:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I find that to be quite wtf, since her voice isn't used for any other NPCs(except for the PC's mother, i think), unlike those generic male/female voiceovers. Wtf, yet so very cute. 118.100.127.31 09:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I knew there was another character who had Moira's voice, but I couldn't remember who it was until I encountered her today: Susie Mack.--Niksilp 02:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Red, in Bigtown.--Kajex Firedrake 22:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * And Nova. You don't notice it when she uses a lower, less-enthusiastic voice, but I believe it's the same voice actor.--Kajex Firedrake 14:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * From IMDB, Karen Carbone ... Catherine (Mother) / Moira Brown / Red / Suzie Mack (voice) . Bllasae 15:37, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * If she didn't have lines to greet herself with chances are it would revert to a default female voice or - god forbid - a default male voice. Theoretically this wouldn't be a problem if you weren't using the console, but it does make for some funny moments. That said, I'm sure if her voice changed to a Male voice it would be quite funny too. --SephyrLlanir 11:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia section removed
I feel like, given the voice and demeanor of Moira Brown, I feel like her character is meant to serve as a parody of Rachael Ray. Anyone else find this fitting?
 * She reminds me more of Sarah Palin as a matter of fact. PlasmaFox 02:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the timeframe within which this was recorded, I find that highly unlikely.

Whne my friend firt saw me talking to her he asked if that was Sarah Palin. But yeah, no way there is a referance.


 * There's an contagious illness on the Fallout wiki where people start seeing references, parodies and homages behind every rock, tree and rusted bicycle. Sometimes a rat in the sewer is just a rat in the sewer and not a deliberate and direct reference to Master Splinter of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Quirky and overenthusiastic women are relatively common in the world.
 * ^QFT. I find it highly unlikely that Bethesda devoted a team of people to making character composite of every cheerful woman in literature and history. I say the trivia section needs to be removed ASAP.

I'd have to agree. some of these "references" are reaching pretty hard to make a conection. "Like omg this guys name is paul and a character in my favorite tv show is named paul and it's clearly not a coincidence sicne both are fictional characters!" -DragonJTSLeave me a message 03:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have taken the liberty of removing the entire Trivia section, as it was only filled with homage gibberish such as the ones listed above. The only plausible reference is actually in the notes section - "Moira's name is a reference to one of the main characters of the book "On the Beach", which is about post-apocolyptia in Australia." ~ Unsigned 17 May 2009

Yeah that section was bogus. I even made up that part about her being an homage to Megan from My Friend Mike which is an 80s sitcom I completely made up on the spot.

I added the reference to "On the Beach" back to the notes section. Given the fact that the Fallout 3 developers seem to have extensive knowledge of science fiction, it seems plausible that they would be inspired by it.
 * I'm removing it again. The two Moira characters share nothing in common but their first names. The rest of the setting is irrelevant.--Gothemasticator 07:07, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Origin
"Moira was born in 2253 in the trading community of Canterbury Commons, but ended up settling down in Megaton[1]." what's the source for this? —Preceding. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * The Fallout 3 Official Game Guide. See bottom of the page, under references. -- Sentinel 101 18:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Mustache
In my PS3 it looks like moira has a mustache. So the PS3 game has wrong settings? DrMGinius 18:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Naah...Settings are fine(She is a geek after all). Given more slack in the PC she finds time to shave it...
 * It's the lighting I think, on my X360 she's got a 5'oclock shadow too haha Killchain 07:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

MB3K-OMFG
Has anybody else noticed that when looting Moira's password off the corpse it says "MB3K-OMFG". I'm not sure about the MB3K but the OMFG could be a reference to the abbreviation "omfg" which means "oh my f%@#&*g God!"
 * ... Really. I had no idea. -.- --Kajex Firedrake 00:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Incase you hadn't realised either the MB3K more than likely means "Moira Brown 3000", so in full it probably means "Moira Brown 3000 - Oh My F***ing God"... The 3K part might mean something else but '3K' would more than likely mean '3000'. --SephyrLlanir 10:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia moved from article
Kingclyde 08:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)kingclyde
 * Her personality and appearance are similar to the character Kaylee from the television series Firefly.
 * Moira Brown may be named after a marine biologist with the same name.
 * She may also be based on Megan from the short lived 80's sitcom My Friend Mike, who was quite cheerful and wore her hair back in a bun as well.
 * She May also be a reference to the American Pie Movie Series As she seems alot like the character Michelle Flaherty played by actor Alyson Hannigan.

Selling
has anyone else had her still sell stuff in underworld after blowing the crap out of megaton? she still has her whole inventory,as well as speech options that make her talk about the Rock-It Launcher,and i found a locker half glitched into the wall next to patchwork that says "Craterside supply, key required --JoeHanSon 03:15, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
A infobox is needed. Edit: Ok, thanks for putting it in. Insane Survivor 20:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible bug 1
Once, I was in Megaton and I was kind of bored, so I saved the game, then I just killed everyone in Megaton (including Moira Brown and the Mercenary in the shop) and then loaded back. When I was taking a look in Craterside Supply, Moira and the Mercenary were dead. Altough, no-one in Megaton was hostile towards me. This was confirmed on the Xbox360.

Possible bug 2
I shoot Moira with the Fatman and the Guard died but his body was frozen in the air. his head was bent down and his legs were blown of. I couldent drag him but the effect stopped when he was blown to ketchup. this glitch happened several times in a row! this was found on Xbox 360

That happend to me with a megaton setteler once on Ps3. He fell down after I shot him with a pistol tho. I dont think its a very big glitch becouse not many people try to kill moira with a fat man. Radraider 23:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

You'd be surprised. I had this happen with a Tracker. Lord Spoonfield III 23:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This is likely a bug in the model reaction handler. I've found that with weapons which kill enemies quickly and through blast radius effects sometimes they end up just standing in the possition they were in when they died until you move the body when they fall, sometimes they will just continue standing there if they're touching a wall or another object.

I also Had a bug... Moria Brown disappeared without warning, and so did her mercanery... It put a stop to her quest, and I cant get S@%T for my House. :(

Ghoulification inconsistency?
When Moira becomes a ghoul after nuking Megaton, this seems to contradict Carol's dialogue about how she became a ghoul. I think she described the process as taking a few months or possibly a year. So for Moira to be a ghoul right away, Carol would have to be wrong about the length of time it takes for the skin to fall off, etc. 24.154.77.206 04:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Bethesda doesn't pay attention to what they do. Carol is correct, Moira is propably just suffering of severe radiation sickness. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/5/5c/Scribe.jpg/15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 13:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Well.. Ghouls become ghouls when they get severe radiation.. And moira survived an atomic blast that may be answer to her FAST GHOULIFICATION

more importantly, it doesn't really matter.

Carol also mentions that it took different lengths of time for different people, if you really listen to what she says.JerichoRCDF 22:16, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * "...moira survived an atomic blast." and "Bethesda doesn't pay attention to what they do." QED--Gothemasticator 22:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of inconsistencies, Carol's story about how Underworld was founded doesn't quite jibe with the maintenance ghoul's (name escapes me) account. He makes Underworld sound like a recent development, while her story would make it 200 years old. -Klaark- Jan. 6, 2010

Her voice
Why does she have the same voice when ghoulified? Icko 10:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No reason other than the fact that it's not Moira without the voice. SteveZombie 21:12, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

As it says in the article, they probably didn't have the time to record her entire script again with the different voice. --193.203.81.185 12:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

umm.. Maybe Ghouls may use that weird voice to mess with humans then they forgot why they were using it.. and it got stuck that way... but.. Moira is a new ghoul that may be why--NightPhoenix 18:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)NightPhoenix

Bug?
I'm not entirely sure I'd consider this a bug, but.. maybe someone else will. I blew up Megaton in February 2009, not sure what month it was in the game, but I assume it was very late August/Early September 2077 (I was at a very low level). Moira moved on to Underworld, BUT, it took her almost a year of game time/6 months of OUR time for her to get there. She finally arrived in Underworld in August 2078 (game)/August 8th(our time). I wasn't expecting her to get there right away, but is it.. normal for her to take this long? After she hadn't appeared by June of this year, I assumed she died or got stuck somewhere. Thoughts? AzureJenna 10:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

more importantly, it doesn't really matter.

Minor Edits
Just corrected some sentence structure. Biggest "edit" was combining the two bullet points about Moira wearing a RobCo jumpsuit and how to increase it. Killchain 07:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

possible bug?
i killed moira's henchman guy, using mister sand man, now im trying to pickpocket her money from the shop and she NEVER sleeps, i mean never, i went into her shop at 12 oclock in game time, by 8 she hadnt slept once, she went to her bed, and stood there, im not sure...maybe shes too scared to sleep with mr quiet dead? either way im not sure this is a bug or not, but im on 360 if it matters.Toolazytomakeaaccount 23:59, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

She's allegedly cracked out on Mentats... -Klaark- Jan. 6, 2010

Insanity
Thinking about her I arrived at an interesting conclusion; she's insane. And not in the way you come to think of on the Internet, she's authentically insane. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/4/4a/Naglowaa_se.gif/11px-Naglowaa_se.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:45, November 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * She's not insane. She's supposedly tripping on Mentats at all times.

BUG
I killed Moira in her shop and her body blew up, the weird thing is that there were 3 legs ( her legs because of the ROBCO pants) and 2 heads both of them equal but one was bold. Then I decided to blow all her body parts up with a missile and on part of her got stuck in the sealing and was shaking and making noise, I wish I had a camera to record that. The most crazy bug I know of.
 * You can kill Moira and 3 legs and 2 heads ( one of them bald ) will appear as if all this parts were parts of her body. ( confirmed on Xbox 360) Moved from article for confirmation.--Gothemasticator 06:39, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

unconfirmed bugs
These need to be confirmed by more than one editor. As they are confirmed please add which platform it was encountered on.


 * Sometimes she will get stuck in the Potomac river on her way to Underworld. When talking to her in the river, occasionally her head will spin 360 degrees, mostly when handing you items.
 * Sometimes, if you kill Moira before blowing up Megaton, you can find her ghoulified body in front of the entrance to Underworld.
 * If you shoot Moira in V.A.T.S with a laser pistol she moves sideways without running but as soon as you exit V.A.T.S she runs as normal.

--Kingclyde 09:53, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

ID
Not that this does anything for me, considering I am on the 360, but do the IDs used for interacting with her via the console change when she gets ghoulified? One way or the other it might be a good idea to note in the article. 208.110.178.19 14:55, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Addict?
I recall her saying in one conversation that she takes a lot of mentats. Could that explain her almost annoying constant chirpy attitude? She's tripping all the time on whole boxes of Mentats?A Pickering 16:56, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Android
I'm starting to think Moira is an android reprogrammed by The Underground. Evidence for: 1) Her one emotion. Just like Harkness seems to only have one mood(a grumpy one) Moira's general attitude (ANNOYINGLY chirpy) never changes for a significant period of time.2) Her voice never changes to that rough gravely tone if she becomes Ghoulified. 3) During the Wasteland Survival Guide quest she will hand you a big book of Science as a reward and comment how she can't get through the section on computers (programemd in so she doesn't accidently trigger hidden memories?) 4) one throwaway comment she has while greeting you; "Did you know a human body can survive without a stomach or spleen?" How does she know this? could she be missing those organs after an accident during some experiment? I don't beleive she found it out while experimenting on a person since she commented that they usually died instead of survived. and 5) Her scatter-brained and clumsy demenour. Possibly due to poor reprogamming? A Pickering 17:05, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Androids don't become ghouls.


 * The things you are complaining about are writing and acting qualities.--Gothemasticator 18:35, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or, rather, lack thereof. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:19, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * But they could have placed organic skin, including skin cells, sweat glands, and ect, over a metal chassis. CheezeWEEPツ 21:38, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Therefore by extension, every human in the Capital Wasteland theoretically could be an android. But that's silly. SteveZombie 22:05, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

glitch
i was playing fallout 3 on the pc and i killed moria and every1 else and then i blew up megaton then after a while i fast travelled to the museum of history and moria was standing infront of me but she randomly exploded into tiny pieces as soon as i got there it wuz so weird Chiefsean16 13:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lol!Tezzla Cannon 13:44, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I can imagine it right now- "Hey There!" BOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM! lol!Tezzla Cannon 13:46, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Pre-War Books for sale by Moira
I just went to Moira to sell some misc. loot and I noticed that she had three Pre-War Books] in her inventory. She was selling them for only 1 cap each! At first I thought they might be the "fake" pre-war books but I turned them in with out any problem.

I don't know what effect (if any) the following has, but here are a few notes about my playthrough that may be related to Moira: Also, I have not gone back to see if her stock resupplied. This was a one time deal but I swear by god she sold me three books. At 3 caps for three books thats a 297 cap profit! (not that I even need any more caps having almost 30,000 with nothing left to buy...lol) DevLcL@comcast.net|Colin 18:06 April 15, 2010
 * Game of the Year edition
 * Main quest line complete,  none  of the add-ons completed
 * Wasteland Survival Guide] quest completed with  all options 
 * Megaton] not destroyed
 * All "House Improvement]" items purchased