Forum:Veronica reveals canon ending to F3

I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but since it's Veronica that gives this info it's technically New Vegas related, even though it pertains to the ending of Fallout 3. Veronica states in one of her dialogues that the Brotherhood of Steel takes its isolationism very seriously and doesn't usually go out of its way to directly help the average wastelander, mentioning that a faction out east even had a small civil war over it. This is clearly a reference to the division that took place between the Brotherhood of Steel Capital Wasteland faction and the Brotherhood Outcasts. If you look at the timeline, the major west coast faction ceased all contact with the east coast faction before the Outcasts split off from the Brotherhood. Therefore, the only way the Brotherhood in the Mojave could have known about this is if they re-established contact after the events of Fallout 3. If that is the case, then the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood had to have survived the events of Fallout 3, meaning the Citadel could not have been destroyed and the Mobile Base Crawler was. How else would the West Coast Brotherhood make contact with them if their base was destroyed? The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood would have to have also not been infected by the modified FEV and have a clean source of water to live that long. I believe it is safe to say then that the Lone Wanderer took the path of good, choosing not to infect the water at Project Purity and choosing to destroy the Mobile Base Crawler and NOT the Citadel. Further evidence of the Lone Wanderer choosing the side of good is the fact that there are Wasteland Survival Guides in the Mojave, meaning that Moira clearly had help from the Lone Wanderer to create the most useful guide possible (as I believe she is incapable of doing it on her own). Bottomline, by piecing the right bits together and using a bit of logic, Veronica (from her one bit of info) tells us that the main Brotherhood re-established contact with the east coast faction, meaning the canon ending is Project Purity was activated without the FEV, producing clean water, and that the Citadel was not destroyed. The Lone Wanderer would have followed the path of good, becoming a Knight of the BoS, and the BoS would have eventually wiped out the remaining Enclave forces on the east coast. As of what became of the Outcasts and the super mutants remains debatable.


 * The Capital Wasteland BOS isn't necessarily cut off from communicating with the rest of the Brotherhood. If I recall correctly, they've just stopped recieving supplies and reinforcements from the other branches due to Lyons' decision to focus on the super mutant threat. It would make sense for the Brotherhood to keep close tabs on the one branch that decided to pursue a different ideology, so they might not have had to reestablish communication in the first place. Hal10k(Leonard Bernstein!) 03:45, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I like to think the Outcasts finally returned home and updated the Great Codex. After all, they weren't really outcasts, they just adopted the name given to them by Lyon's supporters out of pure defiance and did promise that Lyon's would eventually be brought to justice. Also, this helps tidy up all the loose ends in the story in my head - LOL (P3dantic) 86.133.52.220 00:28, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

No, It was probaly the OutCasts who linked up with the west coast Brotherhood, because they choose to stick to there primary mission(which was to collect technology) and try to reestablish contact with the West coast BoS. While Elder lyons brotherhood (Capital wasteland Brotherhood)strayed from there primary mission and choose to help the "locals" instead and thus where Shunned and excommunicated. As for your other statment about the "Wasteland survial guide" You could still give here all the bad and untruthful answers and shed still publish it (There is actually a random encounter in fallout 3 where you find a wastelander fighting a molerat and if you where untruthful in helping Moria the wastelander will die(because the book wasnt very helpful), but if you where "good" when helping Moria the wastelander will live and run over to you and tell you that the book(the survail guide) is really helpful. Xxfallout turkeyxx 01:17, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

To answer your statements, I'm pretty sure I remember one of the characters saying that they have had no contact with the west coast since Lyons openly declared he was changing his mission priorities, and no character ever mentions talking to them since then. Also, while the West Coast Brotherhood decided to no longer send Lyons aid or support at the time, the Elders at Lost Hills still recognized him as the true leader of the east coast chapter, despite his decision to divert from the mission. I am aware the Outcasts only adopted that name as a "screw you" to Owen, but its still unclear what became of them. They could have eventually decided to go back to their brothers in the Capital Wasteland Chapter or they could have been hunted down by the same chapter. What would the West Coast Brotherhood think of this desertion? On the one hand, they were choosing to follow the original mission given to them. On the other hand, they were completely defying their Elder, who was still recognized by the West Coast Brotherhood as the official leader, and they were seceding from the east coast chapter, becoming renegades. As for the Wasteland Survival Guide, I am aware there is a possible random encounter of a wastelander dieing to a molerat if the guide turns out crappy, but what I am saying is the canon result must be that the Lone Wanderer helped Moira make a useful and helpful guide. Otherwise, it would not have spread like it did to the Mojave, and a bad guide would not give the Courier extra survival skill points for reading it. You can't learn anything from a guide that would get you killed. 06:15, February 3, 2011 (UTC)