Forum:Do you really have to destroy the BoS?

The title says it all. With mr house can you avoid destroying them? Like a speech check or something...

189.29.0.103 21:55, June 13, 2011 (UTC)Yakkut

Unfortunately no, but do their quests, and do all the quests in general, then destroy them when your max level, and are more or less ready for the dam ToestheUnwholy 01:11, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's true. Either House dies, or they do. There's no way to keep House alive and the Brotherhood alive too. -- 01:12, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

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House & YesMan both know that the Mojave BoS chapter are always going to be a problem to New Vegas. Even the NCR realise that there will be a final reckoning with the BoS in the future. This whole story is played out in Veronica's companion quest. As you go through it and talk with her, you learn that the West Coast BoS are trapped by their own codex [rules] and are not flexible enough to see that as times change, so must they. I've been going through the BoS histry and its becoming overwhelmingly obvious that although at the start of the series they were a power to behold, they really haven't grown beyond being horders of pre war tech. The mid west chapter and Captial Wasteland chapter are the only orders showing signs of being flexible enough to adapt and change to ensure their survival. Collecting and preserving weapons and tech for that sake alone will not lead to them being the inheritors of the earth. There is also a huge inconsistentcy with the West Coast BoS: they claim that they never allow in outsiders yet the first vault dweller from FO1 was eventually allowed to join but choose not to stay with them. Likewise in the Mojave chapter, they appear to be happy enough to let you in once you've done them a few favours. [double take o.0] Huh? Either you don't let in outsiders at all because you adhere strictly to the codex or you let newcomers in because they are useful chaps who happen to dio you a good turn every now & then and that means the codex is worth about as much as good toilet paper. Really it makes very little sense in a narrative & logical aspect. But [shrug] its just a game after all...

I believe that the writers in FO:NV are saying to us that the BoS are a dying faction. All the major factions vying for control of NV want them out of the way/destroyed. Even when presented with rock solid & compelling arguments as to why they need to change, Elder Macnamarra isn't able to make that final step. So they have self selected themselves for extinction by refusing to adapt. I do think its a pretty cold betrayal of their trust placed in the courier, especially after he's gone & been made a member of the BoS, to then go and wipe them all out because House tells him to do it. Yet House is NV, and for that matter, humanity's best hope to rebuild from the ashes of the apocalypse. The NCR, YesMan and Legion are all more of the same: chaos, incompetence, savagery and ignorance [not in any specific order]. Its only by making very hard speech checks and either going with YesMan or NCR that you can let the BoS chapter survive but if you do that, you are dooming humanity to a much slower recovery. House has calculated that he can have humanity back into the stars in 50 years if he wins. I'd believe him. He may be cold & despotic but he has a plan and the ability to carry it out. He also has a kick arse robot army to back him up and if you are pragmatic enough, a trusty lieutenant to make sure the plan comes off. My hunch is that YesMan is the canon ending but YesMan will be taken over by a sleeper program within Houses mainframe and thus House will take over once again from within and thus the House always wins no matter what! Captain Taipan 05:12, June 15, 2011 (UTC)