User talk:AnyLameName

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 * [[Image:Ash_Nuke.jpg]] AshRandom (Talk) 16:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Skillbook pages
First of all, thanks for your efforts on the Fallout 3 books article. However, while you are right that usually breaking the page down in smaller sections would make for easier reading, the whole point of this specific page was to have all books in a single table so people could sort them by location, type etc. Hope you understand why I reverted your edits. // Porter21 U 11:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right, I indeed missed the Talk page, my apologies for that.
 * I agree with your intent to avoid the repetition of content, it's something I find sub-optimal as well. My main gripe with this solution however is that no actual content should be in the template namespace; it is reserved for interface messages, navigational devices etc. Another concern is accessibility.
 * As a compromise, how about moving the location tables to subpages of the original page (e.g. Dean's Electronics/Fallout 3 locations etc). This subpage can be transcluded onto Fallout 3 books and Dean's Electronics (in this example) by using, allowing you to achieve the same thing you wanted without using the template namespace. Adding a notice that the locations are transcluded from Dean's Electronics/Fallout 3 locations on the pages would also remedy the accessibility concerns.
 * Is that ok with you? If so, I'll restore the former templates I deleted and move them to the subpages. // Porter21 U 15:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've already restored your former templates and moved them to subpages - you will find all of them at Category:Fallout 3 book locations. I've also added the transclusion to the individual book pages so basically we're at where we were before I removed your templates, except for the Fallout 3 books article still not using the transcluded tables but an own big one (which is ultimately not what we want). I guess you can now do whatever you wanted to do with the templates to make them able to be integrated into one big table.
 * If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask :-) I know all the wiki speak is not that easy to understand. // Porter21 U 14:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll delete the location subpages, as you already suspected it's something only sysops can do :-) // Porter21 U 21:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a small thing, but the big book table is now missing Paradise Lost (which is basically a Lying, Congressional Style book with a different name). // Porter21 U 21:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I'll just put a line in for it manually.
 * --AnyLameName 21:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tulip is indeed the one who gives you Paradise Lost. When you first meet her she gives you a copy since she has found a whole bunch of them and nobody in Underworld is interested. // Porter21 U 22:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Transclusion Test
I think I have a very good solution for how to do the transclusion. It actually eliminates the need for a third page entirely while still allowing for the location information to be shown in only one place. It also displays the small two-column table on each book's individual page while showing the large three-column table on Fallout 3 books. I used a couple of sandboxes as examples of two individual book pages. See User:AnyLameName/sandbox and User:AnyLameName/sandbox2 for examples of what the individual pages would look like, and then check out how I can transclude those pages to form this aggregate table. All in all, I think it works out pretty cleanly.

The main drawback is that clicking edit on Fallout 3 books' "All skillbooks" section just yields a bunch of transcludes. I think this can be easily dealt with by adding a brief message above that table saying that edits can be made at the individual pages, which are conveniently linked from the small table in the Overview section.


 * Looking good to me. The only potential issue I see is that this won't work anymore if/when another Fallout game is released and we need to add locations for that game as well. However, at that point the book pages will probably have to be split anyway so I don't think it's a major issue.
 * Agreed about adding a notice that the individual pages should be edited, this would've had to be done with any transclusion setup anyway. // Porter21 U 19:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Message from Rubberduck: I am not sure if this is the right place to post, but the list of ALL Fallout-3-skill-books seems to be messed up. In the list are also books from Fallout 2 (with places like gecko, navarro). I hope someone will change this. Thanks. Added by Rubberduck: Some changed the table. Now everythings seems ok again. Thanks.