User talk:Trifler500

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If that welcome's late, I apologize, I make a point of welcoming everyone - but sometimes you slip up. :) Tagaziel (talk) 11:21, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow... We're in all the same places. :) --Trifler500 (talk) 23:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Fallout 4
I wanted to thank you personally for all of the hard work that you have been putting into our Fallout 4 articles. I hope that you will be staying with us, as we definitely need the help getting the wiki back up to snuff. :) Happy editing! GarouxBloodline 04:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thx :) --Trifler500 (talk) 04:18, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have been keeping tabs on your work, and again, I wanted to show my appreciation, as we need all of the help that we can get. Although I cannot personally award you with rollback rights, I will be asking Tagaziel once he comes back next week, as I feel that you deserve to have the extra tools at your disposal. Is that something that would interest you? If not, I want to make sure that I am not putting you in an awkward/obligatory position. Until I hear back from you, happy editing! GarouxBloodline 08:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. I haven't seen a need to roll anything back, but I guess it wouldn't hurt. ;) --Trifler500 (talk) 10:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * All in thanks to the wonderful abuse filter we have set up - I have barely had to deal with any trolls since Fallout 4 was released. Hell, if you ever go to the other Fallout wikis, they are being swamped with vandalism right now. But, still, every now and again someone gets through on here, and so it is always great to have dedicated users watching out for the recent changes, and patrolling other users' edits. GarouxBloodline 11:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

FO4 sneak
I like the section you made for Fallout 4's sneak on the sneak skill page, but since it's no longer a skill, I've decided to move the edits you made to its own page as a gameplay article. If you want to add more to it, you can find it at Sneaking. Shadowrunner(stuff) 09:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I think it made more sense where it was, but I'm not against it. If the page was "Sneak skill" then I would agree. My main concern at the moment is how are people going to find the Sneaking page? Nothing significant links to it, and nobody is going to search for "sneaking". Also, you should probably change Skill books on the main menu to "Magazines" then. Anyway, thanks for mentioning it. --Trifler500 (talk) 11:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit undo
Sorry about not making it clear, but I reverted the edit because recommendations like that don't really fit in an encyclopedia format. All content on wiki pages should be written from an objective standpoint, and personal preference (or in this case recommendations) give the page a first person effect/bias that shouldn't be part of a main namespace content page. Brantmeierz (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, the reflex sight on the 10mm pistol isn't too big of a deal, but I would disagree with you that this is an encyclopedic wiki. This is a game wiki, and information on what works better comes part and parcel with that. Others and I have many beneficial recommendations scattered throughout the wiki, so I hope you're not going to try to go remove all of them. --Trifler500 (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You might want to take a look into our editing guideline, where is stated: "In general, content should be written in a style appropriate for an encyclopedia." ;) -- UserCompleCCity Signature1.png -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 10:27, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a reason I put recommendations in their own section and not dispersed throughout. :) I've been editing wikis for many years. I cannot agree with simply not including good solid info that most players would benefit from. That's why they come, after all. Avoiding suggestions that are largely irrelevant I certainly agree with. If anyone wants to help me test the difficult-to-test items on the Protection page so I could remove the "further testing is needed...", I would welcome that. It's not easy to find good situations to observe settlers performing a particular activity in combat. --Trifler500 (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Fallout 4 apparel‎‎
Hi.

If you don't have better things to do (that's not meant ironically), then why not apply this icon to all the Automatron apparel, not only headgear? ;)

I don't have the game, so I can't do this. -- -- You like to talk to me? -- cCContributions -- 10:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, I think the only other thing on the apparel page is the Robot armor set. I'll go do it now. --Trifler500 (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

FO4 weapons TOC's
Is there any particular reason you're removing the tables of content from the weapon pages? --Kastera (talk) 23:34, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. They serve no purpose and clutter the page, making it harder for users to use. --Trifler500 (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to throw in that they serve the same purpose as a TOC would on any other page, and they could be particularly useful for jumping to the Modifications or Location section of a weapon article since those would be the primary reasons wiki viewers would be visiting a weapon page. Brantmeierz (talk) 23:41, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What Brantz said; instead of having to scroll down the entire page, users can get to the section they want in the click of a button. --Kastera (talk) 23:44, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * A TOC is only useful if the page is long enough. If you know how to make the TOC not expand the Modification section that might be worth considering for some of the longer ones. So far I've only seen one page that might be long enough. --Trifler500 (talk) 23:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to explicitly remove the TOC though; it is very difficult to navigate a page without using it on mobile, and it isn't detrimental to a page when viewed on a desktop either. Brantmeierz (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * But it is detrimental. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How so? Practically every page on the wiki has one, and they serve the purpose that they are there for. Brantmeierz (talk) 00:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It moves everything down, forming a large blank area, forcing people who don't click on the TOC to scroll further, and generally making the page more messy. Besides, it sounds like Kastera may have a solution. I do admit you have a point about the mobile devices. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. By most wiki conventions, the TOC is automatically displayed if there are three or more sections. I haven't found any wiki markup that forces the TOC to automatically collapse, but there's a "hide" option for a reason; on top of it being useful for most users, those who don't find it useful can always collapse it if they wish. --Kastera (talk) 00:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried using but it didn't work. :( --Trifler500 (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That would be because we don't have a "toclimit" template like Wikipedia does; I can create one and you can replace the NOTOC tags you've put down so far. I'm willing to compromise with that, because TOC's are pretty important for site navigation. --Kastera (talk) 00:08, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Would it be all right if we set the ones on the weapon pages to be hidden by default? Then the user could click on "Show" to open it. That combined with the template would be perfect for everyone IMO. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's the thing; I couldn't find out how to make the TOC be collapsed by default. The closest I could find was this, but it's only for regular tables, not TOCs... --Kastera (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've seen TOC's fully collapsed by default on other wikis, but I don't know how they did it. I'm trying to get the new template you added working now. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:26, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Darn... it's not working. I tried toclimit=2, toclimit=1, Toclimit=1... no change to the TOC. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on... but the TOC is at least collapsed by default now. But it's still better than nothing! So now you can replace all the NOTOC's with the new template and we can choose to have optional clutter! And if it's not too much to ask, take a look at the edit I made on the combat rifle page and put the template between the lead section and the Background section. Placing it at the top of the page causes the TOC to be at the very top of the page, causing even more empty space than before the template. :) --Kastera (talk) 00:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Could we make it TOClimit like the UESP wiki does (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:TOClimit)? That seems slightly more user friendly. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It isn't collapsed by default for me. I think it's just remembering the setting you had it on the last time you opened the page. That will reset after closing the browser. --Trifler500 (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothing is working :( Even the TOC location is the same as it was at the top and not where you said it should be. --Trifler500 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

OK, I've had enough of this, so I'm gonna send out a request for help on Slack from people who know more about this than we do. --Kastera (talk) 01:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool. Glad that is an option. :) --Trifler500 (talk) 01:06, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me know when Bluwyng is done and I'll start updating. I just tested the combat rifle again with no success, so I guess he/she isn't done. --Trifler500 (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It was hiding in plain sight all along. TOC has a parameter that lets you set what heading limit you want; you replace the 's with, and I'll delete the superfluous template we made last night. Check out the example on combat rifle to see how it looks. --Trifler500 (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks for the consideration and all of your help figuring this out. My thanks to the coder(s) who helped as well. --Trifler500 (talk) 23:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Automatron
Ahh, gotcha. I was thinking of the word in more of the general sense, but Automatron is more specific, so I'll revert my edit. And I shall definitely let you know when Bluwyng is finished! --Kastera (talk) 02:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) --Trifler500 (talk) 04:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Re: Space after tag
I have to disagree simply because literally every page that we have (130,000+) is formatted with the maintenance tags set flush to the infobox, which is how our article layout guidelines lay it out. The effort needed to standardize every page to include something so menial isn't worth it. --Kastera (talk) 02:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Changes in site/layout design really should be decided by more than one or two people; I could see about adding you to the Fallout tab on the Gamepedia slack so it can be discussed by other people? --Kastera (talk) 02:13, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Slack is easy; it's pretty much just a chat site. I'll contact Tagaziel and see if he can add you to the Gamepedia channel. --Kastera (talk) 02:21, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Images
I use Nifskope to assemble weapons from components, using the load screen art as reference. :) Also, want an invite to the super secret elite editors club? Tagaziel (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Kastera said it might be helpful, so yes please. --Trifler500 (talk) 09:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Infrastructure damage
Well, I'm inclined to trust you on this because the settlement aspect has usually been on the back burner for me. I could have sworn that each point of water and food needed a point of defense, but I could definitely be wrong. I honestly don't pay much attention to the specific numbers as much as "is this resource in the green or red?" --Kastera (talk) 23:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)