Talk:Honest Hearts/Archive 1

Out of curiosity, where was is this confirmed?--With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450'  YOU. LOSE.  21:27, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * User blog:Ausir/ZeniMax registers New Vegas DLC trademarks|Here :) --Anon undefined 21:29, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Waste of Time
So although I knew Joshua was most likely burned and tossed into the Grand Canyon away from the Mojave, a 50% chance told me Caesar couldv'e thrown him in right away and thus he would be in the Mojave. I searched the Grand Canyon for hours. Hoping he was in the back of the Deathclaw promatory. He wasn't, obviously.

All of those who searched the Canyon as well, I solute you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.137.203 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Thats the lower Colorado while the grand canyon is on the upper part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.165.25.149 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

Confirmation
Because of this new stupid layout for wikis, I can't figure out how to edit a pre-existing topic. So, relating to my above post, that blog post never said *confirmed* to be related to New Vegas, just likely. In light of that, until we get direct confirmation from the company about this DLC, we shouldn't have this page, because it may not even be related to New Vegas at all. Even if graffiti of any kind hints at this, it still may be purely coincidental.--With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450'  YOU. LOSE.  00:47, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Given the graffitti file name, that would be hell of a coincidence. I think it's safe to say that it's pretty much confirmed. Ausir(talk) 20:27, January 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * None of the graffiti in the picture on the page says anything about "honest hearts". Where do you get that this name has anything to do with what the page says it does?--With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450'  YOU. LOSE.  22:58, January 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * The filename for the graffitti contains the words "honest hearts". Added the relevant info to the page, I think it makes it more clear now. Ausir(talk) 22:29, January 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Gratzia, Ausir.--With care and happiness,  Supermutantslayer450'  YOU. LOSE.  04:18, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the files are called nvhonestheartsdlcgraffiti or something like that, check the GECK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.7.240 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

Burham Springs?
Any chances that Burham Springs will appear in "Honest Hearts"? Would be a likely place for Joshua Graham to hang out. Thematically likely... plus, he would have referenced this place as one for meeting in "Van Buren".

Release Date
I saw today that the release date will be for March 22nd on this site here http://www.play.tm/news/33166/more-fallout-new-vegas-dlc-details-appear/ Seems reliable enough so should we add that?

Nah it was denied xNOKIx 20:55, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? Jdw 22:56, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * See: User blog:Kaminoman/Bethesda_denies_DLC_release_rumors|Bethesda denies DLC release rumors. Ausir(talk) 23:14, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, just wanted to post the same :) xNOKIx 09:10, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

AH I SWEAR TO GOD IM GONNA BLOW MAH BRAINS OUT IF I GOTTA KEEP WAITING! AND NOW I GOTTA WAIT FOR SKYRIM AFTER THEY SHOW SUCH COOL GAMEPLAY VIDEOS!!!!!--208.108.81.38 14:43, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool story bro Jdw 04:05, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

release date is april 19th. as noted here: http://www.trademarkia.com/honest-hearts-85198870.html Sonicthreat 20:44, March 30, 2011 (UTC) my bad. damn page cache. Sonicthreat 21:00, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know that it will be released on April 19th just because of that trademark thing because if you use that same logic for Lonesome Road and Old world Blues, which are also trademarked by zenimax on the same sight, they say their opposition date is April 24th or so and I doubt two more dlc's will come out a few days after honest hearts and on the same day for that matter. I think it will be announced by then but the release date is anyones guess.

from - http://stepstoatrademark.com/publishedforopposition.html What does ‘Published for Opposition’ Mean (or ‘Publication for Opposition’)?

Under 15 U.S.C. §1062(a), a trademark or service mark must be published for opposition before it can be registered on the Principal Register. This Publication and [short] time period (30 days) give a way and a time frame to object to the registration. Not just anyone can object/oppose, only any person who believes that he/she would be damaged by the registration of the mark and can prove both Standing and Grounds. - So I doubt it will be out april 19th, if we are really lucky it will be roughly thirty days after that.

Actually Dead Money's trademark page http://www.trademarkia.com/fallout-new-vegas-dead-money-85177546.html has the opposition date for it set as April 5th 2011 and it came out ages ago so I don't know that the oppositon date, which is the basis of this belief that Honest Hearts will be out april 19th, means anything at all except the legal date to dispute the trademarked name rights.

News -Fallout New Vegas patch to precede the expansion- http://www.computerandvideogames.com/298041/news/fallout-new-vegas-patch-to-precede-next-dlc-expansion/ Good news it sounds like, but if they still have to go through confirmation with sony and microsoft for the patch it might be about a week before the patch and then probably have the trophies confirm the expansion through that. Soon though :D

-Sheogorath27

May 17th http://bethblog.com/index.php/2011/05/03/details-on-honest-hearts-old-world-blues-and-lonesome-road/ Booyah

-Sheogorath27

Ringo?
I have talked to Ringo at crimson caravan,and he said he was going to california/arizona (?)

But will he be in honest hearts?

No! Ringo said he was heading to New Canaan and it is unknown if he will appear in Honest hearts.

He probably will. Unless you killed him of course.--184.238.66.57 18:07, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Why is Ringo listed under characters when he's not confirmed? I feel that should be taken out until we know for sure but all leave that up to someone else.

Hey, I'm new so I don't know if I'm doing this right, but Honest Hearts would take place in ZNP in Utah which is northeast of Las Vegas, where did Ringo say he was heading?

DLC Merger?
Do you guys think it is possible we may see a Shivering Isles-esque expansion pack instead of all the small DLC's? I mean, the timeline is basically following what happened whit Oblivion, they got a few small releases and then a year later they got Shivering Isles. What do you think?

- no -anonymous -

I don't know that New Vegas would support an add on the size and breadth of shivering Isles simply because they have clearly stated that they will not do any post main game dlc and its hard to picture anything that huge going on at the same time as the main campaign and they will not set it after the main campaign. I suppose it is possible but I just don't think its likely. Don't worry thought all the other dlcs will still be great and add allot, just not Shivering Isles/Dragon Age Awakening allot. But still just my opinon, keep hope alive brother.

-Sheogorath27

I'll assume Sheogorath27 cleaned up the vandal's unintelligible scribbles. --Valoopy

Style?
So what kind of style do you think we will see in this dlc?

Since it seems to be religion based "seems" are we going to see a Israel dessert , garden of Eden or crusader style?

- Being a Mormon myself I'm excited for this as I am curious to see how accurately they portray us. The Van Buren Design doc did have a few discrepencies, but I wonder if they will iron them out.

It will probably have a lot to do with faith, I reckon, and since Joshua Graeme was an ex-member of the church I wonder if it will have something to do with his return? In the V.B design doc there was something about a high-stat "burned man" companion that was like the pariah dog, in a way, great to use in combat but really rotten to have around socially, and he would refuse to enter New Caanan. Thats my theory on what its about, or something like that. I reckon graeme's past will catch up with him, and he is reluctant to let it back in. 5t3v0 10:43, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you believe that a religion wouldn't evolve during the two centuries between the nuclear war and the Courier era, it shows how little you actually understand about religion. A 23rd century post-nuclear Mormon Church identical to 21st peace-era Mormon Church would be nonsensical. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:15, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought about that again and said something of the sort in an earlier post. Reflecting on it more there have been a lot of feforms in the past with the church. I know it wouldnt be identical, and the Van Buren design document does provide explaination as to why the polygamy policy was reinstated at least. But Some things, such as how prophets are chosen were incorrect imo, but could have something to do with the isolation.

Basically what im trying to say is that yes, things will be different, I just want to see if the differences are accurate, too little, or exaggerated. Watever they go with though isnt going to make me boycott it though. 58.111.201.174 00:23, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I live in utah and am familiar with the LDS church and it seems like the makers of Fallout aren't big fans. The main mormon character, Joshua Graham, was lit on fire and kicked in the Grand Canyon, coincidence? You decide. Also, someone who had respect for a religion wouldn't use one of it's fabled quotes as a title for a violent video game. " Honest Hearts make for honest actions" -Brigham Young. I'm not criticizing them, I think they're awesome, but they almost certainly aren't going to accurately portray the mormons. But that's just my opinion  You are now blinking manually 02:36, April 24, 2011 (UTC)ElGodofmetal666

I don't think they need to really. I live in Utah and I am LDS and I for one like the post apocalyptic satire and political structures they do. I'm not worried about being offended and frankly would think it would silly for anyone to be. Maybe that's just me though. -Sheogorath27

Also let's try and guess the plot points and character factions that are going to appear. joshua grahms going to be there, mormons are going to be there, tribals might be there, caravan companies might be there, ceasar's legion might be there, and the plot might involve the mormons having something that everyone wants, or joshua grahm is a sort of terrorist leader trying others fate, or the local factions are in a sort of war or cold war with each other. these are just gueses since I'm bored, but lets see what obsidian has in store for us

I'm hoping that they'll have the mormon society being kind of secluded and therefore having their own unique weapons and armor. Maybe, what do you guys think? You are now blinking manually 02:36, April 24, 2011 (UTC)ElGodofmetal666

Actually Tagaziel,it wouldn't be that hard to retain a religion over two centuries,even with a nuclear fallout.data survives,as do followers.religions evolve until they have reached a peak,where nothing needs to be changed.as christianity is now.people would just stop changing things and embrace it.of course you will have the odd group of crazies dotted around. -backstabber424 17:15 25/04/2011

Christianity isn't changing? Wow. That's an absurd thing to say. Just check out Bishop Spong and the Episcopalians, or the Roman Catholic approach to other religions, or the evangelical Protestant shift toward nationalism. I think the Mormon community in HH will be done respectfully.

Well, to be honest I'm happy we're in the game at all. In my opinion, the creators of the game do indeed have a lot of respect for the church if they're willing to believe it could survive a nuclear holocaust intact. Sure, I was worried about how accurate it would be (the Van Buren doc doesn't mention a temple- WHERE"S THE TEMPLE!?), but all in all, I believe that if they had enough courage to include our religion in the first place, and give us a pretty important spot in it too, then they're going to make sure we are portrayed in as decent a way as possible. And we are! So rejoice! ~Bananianiown

April 17th?
Yesterday (April 6th) I saw a release date set for the 17th. Excitedly, I texted some of my friends and even set an event on my ipod. Now this date is gone from the page and set to the 19th again. Could someone enlighten me? --Valoopy

Order
I saw an article that implied Old World Blues would be the next dlc out http://www.ps3trophies.com/forums/fallout-new-vegas/58613-new-vegas-dlc-old-world-blues-likely-out-may.html while I am sure it will still be good and look forward to any new fallout dlc I was really looking forward to Honest Hearts coming soon being from Utah and Mormon. I will be happy with any new dlc but I do hope to play honest hearts more then Old world blues.

when is honest hearts trailer coming out Jeremiah&amp;evan

when is honest hearts trailer coming out Jeremiah&amp;evan

Soon?
I've realized that the usual trend isn't happening yet. With all the FO3 downloads,the Vault had explosions of confirmed content straight from Bethesda's mouth the week of or before their supposed release. There is only 6 days until April 19th, and usually the Vault gets dates right early on. My hopes are getting low for a release date soon. I think it's time for some even heavier file digging. Maybe a hacker would be useful right now...--Valoopy

Gold?
The wikipedia article says that "gold" is: "the point where all necessary commercialization activities have been completed and the software has been made available to the general market either via the web or physical media." which makes it seem like it has been released, which it hasn't. Or am i just reading it wrong? Draedon 10:40, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Honest Hearts
think of it how is it going to comme out soon if there is not even a commercial of the dlc. when the commercial comes out you will have the release date. there is always a commercial for a fallout game dlc so were is the Honest Hearts one? they will release it when they whant to come out with the dlc. also dont forget commercial usually have the release date in them.

Leaked picture
Is it just me or does the guy in the background of the leaked picture look like a Blackfoot native? Cause obsidians bringing back stuff from Van Buren, and the Blackfoot were going to be in that. And, before anyone says "They were absorbed into Ceaser's legion" well maybe not all of them were. It could also be some other native. What do you think?

Power Bonkers 01:00, April 24, 2011 (UTC)Power Bonkers

I'm not to familiar with the blackfoots and Van Buren but I'd have to think that his current, bandaged look would not show his previous origins. In the photo he's wrapped up so it would be hard to see any details about him. - user:ElGodofmetal666

Not what I meant

No, no, no the picture at the bottom of the page, with one guy attacking another. No the one with just Grahams eyes. Power Bonkers 05:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)Power Bonkers

Oooohhh.... right... I guess I'll just leave this thread and go hide in a corner now. I looked it up though and saw how Caesar and Joshua Graham were once in the blackfoots so you're probably right about the style of clothing. Hopefully, there will be new weapons and armor. user:ElGodofmetal666

I think that it's just The people from the Vault 70, I mean just look at them there half naked and wearing loin clothes not just because their tribals but because of how the Vault jumpsuit extruders where damaged just look at the leaked screenshot.(Anonymous person)

Trophies/Achievements Revealed
In a recent update, if you check the trophy page it now has the new trophies for Honest Hearts listed. We need to make sure we add these to the current list (if it hasn't yet been done) and extract any information we may have obtained from them. --GSix 03:22, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

(The) White Legs
Doesn't it seem silly to have two references to White Legs until we are sure it is a faction or NPC. AVeryNaughtyMan 19:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

check this out my friend: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0094636/

I've seen it but the Trophies/Achievements list refer to the White Legs as a faction AVeryNaughtyMan 21:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think...
That they would have the balls to go dead money on us again???

What do you mean?

I think what OP is trying to ask is: would they dare to push HH onto PC and/or Xbox while the PSN outage is ongoing (i.e. renenge on the commitment to not do the timed exclusive thing like with DM)? It would make sense that the only reason we're still waiting on everything (patch and DLC, in the case of console versions) is because of this pesky turn of events with PSN, whoever the perp or whatever the motivation.

Alternately, the question could mean "Would they dare to make a DLC where we lose our inventory at the start, spend half our time scavenging for basic gear in an exaggeratedly hostile environment, and end by leaving Zion behind, never able to return?" To which one could argue "who really knows yet". I'm going to go ahead and assume the inventory loss is a given, and that the Courier gets to spend at least the first half of HH making do with the local weaponry and apparel. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise - unless the enemies are ridiculously overpowered, a-la Point Lookout (cue swampfolk nightmares).

My money's also on Zion National Park being freely accessible post-DLC-questline, unless they can somehow justify never going back. 50/50 on this one: somehow, the Courier is able to *walk* back from the Sierra Madre (wherever the hell it is, anyway), end up inside the BOS bunker, and completely fail to remember how to retrace his/her footsteps. (That still bugs me, personally - either those bullets to the noggin really screw with the Courier's sense of direction, or there's a massive secret tunnel between the Bunker and the Madre that no one bothered to mention.

I don't think that they will do that again but realistically they want to challenge us, i mean finishing it will be far to easy if we're wearing Remnants power armor, got anti-materiel rifles and over 700 stimpacks, dead money was so fun because it took us out of our comfort zone, if only for a short time. if they let us keep our gear then it is going to be really hard, becasue they know how to exploit the ending of dead money, they made it!Tozzler 12:01, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well since there is an achievement for "Evacuating Zion" i highly doubt you can return there, seems to me they will use some sort of cataclysmic event to justify never returning there... --CyrilTheGreat 22:12, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gamerscore
Is that gamerscore simply someone guessing, or has it been confirmed and if so were? - RASICTalk 17:37, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove the gamerscore until confirmation is shown. - RASICTalk 17:52, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I hope we get to go to New Caanan in the add on as well Zion national park. It seemed that way at first but now with the trophy list and such it seems less likely, that and New Caanan (Ogden) is in Northern Utah and that is forever away from Zion and even more so from the Mojave desert. I was looking forward to maybe seeing post apocalypse Salt lake city and Ogden, I hope its there but I am excited either way.

I unlocked the roulette achievement while in the Sierra Madre Casino. I checked what acheivements I had left and these five are now on my list as being still unobtained. It's still a couple of days until the DLC is released, so I don't know how this happened. The gamerscore in this wiki reflect what is on my achievement list. I hope this doesn't screw everything up for me when I do purchase the DLC in a couple of days. 15 May 2011, 758pm pacific. Kalroy

PSN makes us wait
Since they want to release it on all platforms simultaneusly we are propably waiting for it because of the PSN hacking wich has the PSN in maintenance mode for over a week now.

DAMN YOU ALL !

With the patch out even for PS3, it also makes me wonder if they are holding the release date due to the PSN fiasco. With the Playstation Store likely being out up to a month after PSN is even available for logging in, playing games and pushing thru an anti-home brew patch I hope this is not accurate. PS3 is my only console, but I cannot see whats to be gained by not allowing Xbox and PC users to play this DLC. It's not as if Bethesda or Obsidian have anything to do with the issue. I would hope my fellow PS3 users who haven't or haven't yet jumped ship would see things this way as well. If I can't play it, I would at least like to read about it and work on my next character build based upon whatever extras it adds. ;) XxSylphxx 21:53, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Return?
I hope that you'll be able to return to HH when you are done with whatever you shall be done with, because i apperntly missed alot of godies in Dead Money, where i also threw away almost all unique Dead Money stuff (Weapons and such) i had to be able to get as many gold bars as possible on the last quest :/. CrossFeast 21:15, April 29, 2011 (UTC)CrossFeast

I think the reason u cant return to dead money is because there are no NPCs therefor no quests and also to stop you taking every gold bar and having a game ruiningly high 99999 caps.

I have all 37 gold bars its only possible to get all of them if you sneak around Father Elijah (Which is nearly impossible and took me many tries)--Gwuag 22:33, May 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah all the quests are completed but you should still be able to return to kill NPCs and gather Dead Money weapons and stuff

New details?
Just wanna ask where did all these new details pop up from? SonsOfSkyrim 16:34, May 3, 2011 (UTC)SonsOfSkyrim
 * Bethesda blog. Ausir(talk) 16:35, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Video?
Any one find a trailer yet? You are now blinking manually 03:13, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

On the issue of new weapons...
I bet we wil see yet again more real world renamed weapons.My guess is Mac-10 appearing as a new smg :D --CyrilTheGreat 21:40, May 7, 2011 (UTC) Or a wooden stocked MP5 :)

Northern Passage leads to Zion?98.148.239.46 21:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

I bet I know everything
I think that you will access the new map area through the Northern Pass, a location in northern Vegas. If anyone else has any other ways you think the Courier will travel to Utah talk to me. Power Bonkers 20:36, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

New Weapons
Yao Guai gauntlet - 0:49 in trailer

Unidentifiable Thrown Weapon (Fire Bomb?) and Yao Guai - 0:56 in trailer

Unique Service rifle w/ Arret! on the stock (Compliance Regular?) - 1:00 in trailer

Tommy Gun/.45 Auto Submachine Gun - 0:39 in trailer (NPC on the left), 1:03 in trailer (Player)

God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 15:58, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The service rifle says "Arret!", not "ARRETI". Arret (with the accent above the e) is french for "Stop!" Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 16:26, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I couldn't tell if it was an "I" or an "!". Thanks. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 17:19, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone translate what's written on the gun at 0:48 in trailer? I believe it's Joshua Graham's Unique M1911A1/.45 Auto Pistol. You see it on him at 0:17 in trailer. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 20:46, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * An anon posted that it meant "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 20:51, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's right. When I translate that back to (I think) Greek, it's too long to fit on the gun. Can someone post here what's on the gun so I can translate it myself? God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 21:29, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it's ancient greek according to another poster. So the conventions may be different. Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 21:30, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The closest I can get is "kai ἦ okotia aὖtδ oὖ kati έλαβεν" but I know that's not right. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 21:33, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * That actually does look pretty close, at least the first part. Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 21:36, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, but when I put it thru Google Translate, it comes up with nothing. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 21:43, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well Google Translate sucks. But supposedly, it's ancient greek... so the wording might've changes over time. Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 21:46, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just found this: On the "Honest Hearts trailer" page, someone named "Cornelius Plautus" said it says, in ancient greek, "And may the darkness not drag you yourself down." God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 21:54, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dunno, that doesn't seem right either. Yuri ( Leave a message! ) 21:56, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. Put it thru Google and you get "Και μπορεί το σκοτάδι να μην σύρετε τον εαυτό σας κάτω". Way too long. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 22:11, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

και η σκοτια αυτο ου κατελαβεν = and darkness was possessed me User Avatar talk.png 22:30, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could mean "And Darkness has possessed me." I'm gonna go with that. It sounds the best to me. God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 22:41, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is as close as I can get: "Καί ή σκοτία αύτό ού κατέλαβεν" But translated: "And Scotland was possessed Procedure" ...Yeah, that's not right. I think a better version is: "Καί ή σκοτάδι αύτό κατέλαβεν" Translated: "And the darkness is possessed" God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 22:39, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cornelius Plautus is propably correct. Stop using Google Translate as an argument, people. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 23:17, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you was a lot closer with Καί ή σκοτία αύτό ού κατέλαβεν than you think. The problem is using a modern Greek translator for something that is much older. Now if you drop the accent on σκοτία to σκοτια, Scotland changes to darkness which is more likely since Scotland was not around at the time (says what the modern Greeks think of the Scots). Now you end up with And the darkness is possessed of Procedure, now of Procedure is the top selection for the translation, but the alternate (if you click of procedure) is ordination which sounds a lot more plausible. Now we end up with And the darkness is possessed ordination, which doesn't sound quick right yet. So if we drop the v on κατέλαβεν as it may have been dropped in modern times, we end up with Kαί ή σκοτια αύτό ού κατέλαβε which translates into And the darkness that conquered ordination which sounds much better. But then there is the issue of that with alternate translations of was, resulting in And the darkness was conquered ordination. Which might sound worse than the translation above, but what bugs me is the of Procedure being translated into ordination. Since it is a modern translation it could very be by ordination. This would result in it meaning And the darkness was conquered by ordination. So they are both equally possible in my books. But if it is Joshua's gun as I suspect, And the darkness was conquered by ordination sounds more plausible. Best thing is to ask Sawyer on Formspring. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 23:32, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn man, you sure know your Greek. That's it. Until Sawyer says otherwise, I'm going with And the darkness was conquered by ordination. Makes a lot more sense then And Darkness has possessed me given that it's likely Joshua's gun. Thanks man! God&#39;s in his Heaven... All&#39;s right with the world 23:53, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, looks like I was way off the mark User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png  21:31, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Before or After Hoover Dam?
It would be nice not to have to load an old save to DLC again. --124.168.110.152 04:45, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's weird, somehow I didn't see this post till after I asked my question below! Ged UK 14:09, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

When does this take place? After Hoover dam?
Do we know when this DLC is set? I've only had one run through of F:NV, and completed the game. I managed to do Sierra Madre before I got to Hoover Dam. Am I going to have to reload an earlier save before I started the Hoover missions, or will this 'carry on' the way that the DLC's did in Fallout 3 after completeing the Water of Life quest (or whatever it was called). I don't fancy starting a brand new character just to do this (and the upcoming) DLCs.

I'm guessing, because of teh Burning Man's prescence, that there must be some impact/interaction with the Legion's storyline, so will that effect when it's possible to set it? Ged UK 14:08, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

None of the DLCs will continue after the Hoover Dam battle.--Gmcb007 22:04, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

"Eye for eye"
Is this its real name? --User Avatar talk.png 11:50, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eye for an Eye does sound better, wouldn't it? We'll find out soon enough. JspoelJspoel Vault Boy.png 11:55, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

- Or "Eye for eye" as in "Eye to eye". Who knows, all matter of phrase.

-I made the page, and the Bethesda info says "Eye for Eye". It could possibly be a mistake, of course, but that is the official source. BILLYOCEAN 22:54, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey
I think I saw a shishkenab (flamey sword) in the trailer can somone please confirm it? 216.248.235.1 15:44, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

What difference does it make there are already shishkebabs in New Vegas. Frantruck 23:15, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Regardless, it is in and is used by various White Legs... Tom.kendal 17:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ringo?
Ringo at the Crimson Caravan says he running a Caravan to New Canaan... possible way of starting the DLC?

You meet Jed Masterson at Northern Passage Tom.kendal 17:10, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Time?
Anyone know what time the DLC is going to be released? 71.162.41.150 04:11, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

no clue 2:15pm here still waiting May 17, 2011

downloading honest hearts atm :)

I just downloaded it x-box360 :D - JJ

Anyone know what time it will be available on Steam? Im still waiting ):

This is an outrage! Time to wake up steam, it's may 17th so release it NOAW!!!! I've been waiting since midnight dammit!

VERY GLAD
I'm happy that PS3 is down and we cant get it till later, hopefully by the team we get it then thy would have worked out some of the kinks, i don't want my data  getting corrupted because of some fuck who didn't do his work properly!

I bet Microsoft paid to have this as a timed exclusive just to try and show that they and their Xbots aren't massive failures.

Microsoft didn't pay to have this. Bethesda feels like the software is ready to go now. It's Sony's fault that PSN is down.

SPOILERS

 * SPOILERS **

The unique .45 pistol is called "A Light Shining in darkness"

Hopes for Honest Hearts:
So I know there are gonna be Mormon/Christens in Honest Hearts, so I hope we meet the "preacher" kinda character who has those black priestly robes, so I can wear them and travel the Mojave eliminating evil as the hand of justice or something lol.

Mormons don't wear those robes.

Companion Glitch
"In Honest Hearts, like other DLC's, you are not allowed to take followers with you. However, unlike Dead Money, the game does not force them out of your party, you have to do it yourself. Unfortunately, ED-E can be glitched out of the game entirely. If this happens the game still thinks ED-E is in your party and WILL NOT let you travel to Zion."

Can anyone confirm this? I downloaded the dlc this morning, at work now. I have the glitch with EDE. I have tried waiting 2 weeks in game, checked nash residence, checked lucky 38, tried vault 22 elevator trick, tried having victor force him out of my party at lucky 38, and nothing has seemed to work. From my point of view, my party is empty, but people comment about him, and I can't use rex because it says my party is not empty.

I lost him after dead money, so I can't try this trick. I really don't want to come home and find out that I can't play the dlc. I was only rotating with 10 previous save games, and I can't find him in any of them. I can't really just start a new character either, I've been working on this guy since October. ..

WTF massive glitch????
So I entered Zion and everbody died in the ambush. So I went to get the map and then my quest was updated to return to the Mojave and so I did and an ending was played...so has this happened to anyone else?

the trolls are deleting recently added articals
so be sure to restore it if you see vandalism
 * Examples? Great Mara 20:04, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

the unique .45 pistol has had the picture removed then the article was removed completely, but it seems to be back now


 * There are two different pages because of an oversight, the mods know about this but not sure how it's going to be handled. Both pages are marked with a merge header. Also, please sign your posts with " ~ ". Great Mara 20:17, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the heads up. Decadent Zombie 20:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)Decadent Zombie