Talk:Glossary of Caesar's Legion terms

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None of this info really seems relevant. Most of these terms are explained in game, and any that aren't can be easily looked up. BILLYOCEAN 02:25, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or even intrawiki linked to either wikipedia or wikitionary. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 02:26, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I made this page, so I'm naturally biased. However, I think it should stay, because the latinglish the Legion uses is an interesting topic and such a page certainly doesn't hurt anyone. Furthermore, the Vault exists for the purpose of looking up Fallout-related stuff, so Billy's point about "looking up terms" is (hopefully) an unintended attempt to detract from the attractiveness of the Vault in favour of various translation sites. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:22, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

couldnt u just delete it or move what ever is on it to the main legion page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.49.237 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

so the wiki is here for everything fallout except the way people speak in game? linking would be good so long as it linked to all the words in the game, not every roman word. should show how you pronounce them though. as far as i can see it, if its in the game, its relevent. also, if being explained in game is reason, then why is wiki even here as EVERYTHING is explained in game at some point.Fallout:terra australis 10:25, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well by your logic, then we should have a page for every English word! Since all of those are in the game as well. This is a wiki, not a dictionary. We are here to log information about the game that differs from the real world, not to duplicate Wikipedia/Wikitionary. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 12:13, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That isn't his point, Ghost. Your interpretation is deliberately malicious in its misunderstanding. The Legion uses latin in a very peculiar way and this page is here to showcase that peculiarity. Furthermore, since a majority of NV players understand English easily, but do not understand latin, they may wish to know what the words used by the Legion mean, this page broadens the Vault's appeal. I, for one, was very surprised to see that profligate and dissolute are terms adopted from latin almost verbatim. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:26, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand there point, what you failed to understand is my point. Which is 1. Why do we need a page for something that doesn't differ from the real world and 2. Can easily be intrawiki linked to for the more obsucre words and there meaning i.e. profligate. We should only be covering things that only exist in the Fallout universe (including words and there usage), for everything else there are wikis for it. The second thing that can be debated, is this really in need of its own page, why cant such a small content be included on the Legion page under the language section. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 15:38, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * So you're saying we should promote the Wiktionary at the expense of the Vault, right? Tell me, what is your problem with having a single page devoted to how a Fallout faction uses existing language to fit their civilization? What is your problem with the Vault being complete? It doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't cost bandwidth, it doesn't take up space, it is relevant to what an NV player might look for. As an administrator you are supposed to take the Vault's interests into account. Any information that might be relevant to Fallout and keep users here, instead of off-site, not only has the right to be here, it should be here. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:48, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

So what you are saying, is that all the links to Wikipedia that are already in place, should be removed and replaced with our own pages! Which brings me back to my original statement, if this stays then we should create a page for all the English terms (especially the obscure one), and then the other languages that are used etc. User Avatar talk.png 15:58, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Argumentum ad absurdum needs some basis to function. Here, there is none. English is a common language known to all players who browse this wiki. Latin is not. Hence, this page has merit, whereas a dictionary of English words does not in the context of the Vault. Furthermore, a precedent already exists for this page, see Fallout 3 world objects. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:28, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

your exaggerating my point alittle, but i think the page is relevant as legion pronounce things different from real world. the page needs to show this, but like all of wiki, it to is under construction.Fallout:terra australis 02:00, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Tagaziel has made convincing arguments about this information's relevance, but I still dispute the idea that it deserves its own page. I would support Ghost's suggestion of adding something like a Language section on the Legion overview page. Users are much more likely to see it there, and it would be easier to find for users who are looking for this information. Also, as a side note, I didn't realize the Vault was in competition with other websites, wiki-related or otherwise. BILLYOCEAN 02:09, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's always a competition, especially in the age of short attention spans. As for the individual section, I made a separate article specifically to avoid bloating the main article, which is quite large as it is. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 06:29, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Of course it was Argumentum ad absurdum. It was intentionally to expose the poor stance of your reasoning behind keeping. This is also evident by you later post by saying that we shouldn't include English words. This is because the majority of the words contained on the page are in fact English and are included in American English dictionary's. Just a few examples Ave (Middle English, first use in the 13th century), Centurion (Middle English, from the Latin centuriō, first use 13th century), Dissolute (Middle English, from the Latin dissolūtus, first used in the 14th century), need I go on? As for the precedent, I think you may linked to the wrong page. Now as for the page merge, the fact that this page is a stub and therefore cant be held up on its own, pretty much says it all. Arguing that the other page is bloated, when the content here only relates to that page, again evident by the fact that is the only page that links here, is also a poor founding for a argument. User Avatar talk.png 19:52, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now you're grabbing at straws. The fact that English adopted Latin words (to be expected, it's a bastard) is irrelevant when the Legion ignores that and reaches for the source. Your claim that it's a stub, so it should be deleted, is also without merit, as we should then delete every stub and unlinked to article across the wiki because "you say so". I really fail to see why it should be deleted. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 20:27, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you are failing to realise that I am arguing 2 separate things. I am playing devils advocate for both deletion and merge. Try re-reading it with everything after the comment "Now as for the page merge", relating to simply merging the page. And secondly, I am not grasping at straws, it would be your reasoning that is grasping at straws, as I am simply proving your statement is actually in favour of removing the majority of the pages content. Since it is English (Centurion being the most obvious one). User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 23:31, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are grasping at straws, trying to twist my words. Just because a certain word was later adopted by English, the Legion uses the original Latin words - or at least their equivalents. As the Anon below shows, at least one other person uses this page for reference, making your demand of deletion shaky. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:02, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

anon here begging for the info to be at least kept in some manner; I've looked at this page for reference numerous times and find it extremely useful. 76.181.76.230 04:10, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I support the idea of ​​Mikael. A background page is always usefull and the Caesar's Legion not always use normal Latin terms but some specific terms like "In hoc signo taurus vinces": under the sign of the bull you will win; an adaptation of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great's motto "In hoc signo vinces" incorporating the symbol of the Caesar's Legion, it is not a normal Latin or English term, just a Legion specific term adapted by itself which is not found elsewhere.


 * For the specific page, we already have a specific page for ranks of the Caesar's Legion, and the Caesar's Legion page is already extremely long like Mikael said. Also, having a language section but directly in the page of the Dead Horses, Sorrows and White Legs (since they are not as big as the Caesar's Legion page) could be nice. Itachou [~talk~] 22:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Format change?
Should we change the format of this page to the one used in Language of the Sorrows?--Ant2242 18:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)