Forum:Forlorn hope translation

Talk:Camp_Forlorn_Hope

This page has been the source of some controversy, I maintain that the correct (contextual) translation of verloren hoop is lost troop/band/heap (reference: Forlorn_hope) while an anonymous user maintains that it should be translated into lost hope. I think we need to come to some sort of conclusion here. What do you guys think?

From the Wikipedia page: "The Dutch word hoop (in its sense of heap in English) is not cognate with English hope: this is an example of false folk etymology,[5][6][7] supported by the word in modern Dutch also bearing the meaning "hope". --Sheriff G. Spelling 15:41, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is it even being translated since it is a English term? Yes it does have origins based from other cultures, but it is now a English phrase with its own unique meaning and as such impossible to translate from English to English. This is a typical example of the bastardisation and mongrel like nature that is the English language. Honestly most of that content has no bearing on the article and in my view should be moved to the talk page, since the content represents nothing more of a debate on the origins of the word which has no relevance to the usage in game. Only thing of relevance is the English definition, in this context the definition has evolved into to separate meanings. First meaning applies to the first wave of soldiers to storm a well defended position, this term was most notably used during the Napoleonic Wars and has no bearing here. The other definition applies to the forward most exposed defensive position to the enemy's lines, which fits this article perfectly and as such should be the only thing of context used. GhostAvatar 15:14, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course you are correct and this has now been changed (not by me). I was blinded by the fact that it was translated when I first read it and didn't realize then that it would be much better to just remove the translation as it adds nothing to the article. All I can say is mea culpa and thanks for the input.

--Sheriff G. Spelling 15:41, October 30, 2010 (UTC)