Talk:Toshiro Kago

So in the Japanese version...
So for the Japanese version of fallout, could you just talk to the guy normally? I'm just curious really, it's be funny if you could just talk to him normally in the Jap version like "Hey man, you're in an Alien Spaceship!" and he'd be like "NO WAI!". I'm assuming they're not gonna do something weird like have him speak English in the Jap version. --Clean Up 20:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Huh. Good question.--Doop. 00:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, I never thought about that, good question. 4RM0 01:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing to bet money that in the Japanese version you can talk to him normally, but Paulson will still speak englis.Jose Payne 15:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Japanese players will probably understand him, but the lone wanderer in their game probably wont.123dadas|Guest

But the thing is, the Japanese version even has the entire dialogue dubbed in Japanese. If Toshiro speaks Japanese, obviously he's effectively speaking the same language as the Lone Wanderer AND everyone else. It'd be really weird if he speaks Japanese just like everyone and the player, yet he's the only one that the Japanese-speaking Wanderer can't understand. I'm still curious to know how the Japanese version dealt with this. :Starshade 14:53, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Probably in the same way someone who speaks English in the 21st century and someone who speaks English a thousand years before would have difficulty speaking with each other. The dialect Toshiro speaks is old, though not quite THAT old, but it could only take a small stretch of the imagination to take it to that level. OR they just pretend you can't understand, since it would take place in D.C. anyway (much like in anime or manga that has been dubbed into English, the characters still have difficulty understanding stated English speakers). - Guest; March 21, 2011

Mmm he curiously uses semi-modern japanese despite himself being so ancient. But in the japanese version they make him speak an even older japanese than in the english version. So the player really can't understand him. ...Or rather, isn't supposed to. That was their way of fixing it. Shikari~ 07:44, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

The recurring joke of Mothership Zeta?
Can anyone understand a word he says? They translated Jingwei's dialogue for O:A, why not this guy? Nitty 15:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * +10 Melee Damage for the win! Nitty 15:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He's a samurai. It's Japanese. Samurai were the enemies of Ninja.
 * Nah dude, that's pirates. 90.202.5.253 18:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup,and now the samurai sword does more damage for me,and i still wonder why we didn't get power armor......ah well,we got stuff that was better than PA anyway. The Second Wolf Brother. 15:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The Samurai and the Ninja clans have been at war with eachother for centurys...thought it would be fun to just mention tht, theyre mortal rivals.--Toolazytomakeaaccount 18:17, October 17, 2009 (UTC) how can he be chinese, it's insulting to mix them up..he is Japanese. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~ !

Remember, on Operation: Anchorage is in a simulator. It's reasonable to assume that the translation of Jingwei's dialogue is provided by the sim via the pip-boy. Then again, maybe the Lone Wanderer knows Chinese. Kris (talk) 16:33, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Translate
Can someone with his dialogue files translate what he says? It would be interesting to know. Spoon 20:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm only a third-year student of Japanese, but I managed to translate the captive log with him speaking at least with relative ease (I'm just going to use the in-game romanization used for the subtitles):


 * Nanda kono arisama ha? - "What is this (as in current circumstances or condition)?"
 * Youkaihenge ka? - "A demon apparition?" (if you're familiar with Naruto the jutsu they use to assume the appearance of something else is called henge)
 * Hanase, imasugu! - "Speak, immediately!"
 * Kikoenuka, hanase, ima... - "Am I not heard? Speak, now..." 4RM0 20:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 'Hanase' could be either '話せ' (speak) or '放せ' (release [me] / let [me] go). Given the context and what we know of the aliens, I'm betting strongly that it's the latter. Arechi no majo 08:13, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

When i played i attacked him and none of the other NPCs turned hostile can someone tell me if this has happened to them so i can add it to the wiki Five Star Genral Of The Dead BigDog 21:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah that happened to me too. I did the same with Paulson and nobody cared so I guess the cowboy and samuari aren't very important Lancer AR 21:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Without knowing the Chinese characters for it you can't translate his name.


 * In classical Japanese, "Hanase" means "Free me". "Speak" means "Mouse".

I'm only up to the Engineering Core part of Mothership Zeta, but I went ahead and translated as much of Toshiro's dialogue (that hadn't already been translated here) as I could. I don't think I made any serious errors, but if I did, feel free to correct. Wiki bullet formatting is apparently even harder than classical Japanese, so do forgive/help out with the few snags. Cheers! - J.H. 24.145.23.15 06:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I played through the Cryo Lab/Storage, had some more dialogue with Toshiro, and added that to the translations. Corrections welcome! The romanized Japanese here plays fast and loose with word spacing and the marking of long vowels. - J.H. Arechi no majo 08:12, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I tried shooting his sword out of his hand with silenced 10mm, and he went into a fighting posture with fists up but didn't turn "red hostile"...he just seemed angry at me and said some things that aren't translated here. I image some of it is something like, "Yo--give me back my sword!" Faran Brygo 19:19, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

disappeared?
After I disabled a couple of generators I couldn't find him anymore and he didn't appear when I went through the teleporter to next part of the ship. I received no notification of his death and I can't find his living or dead body. I really want his armor and sword but I just can't find him.

He can be find in the living quarters after you complete the second quest.He is in a room with other dead aliens.If you can't find him there he will appear at the final quest...so don't worry
 * Yes, this is true. I've reinserted it. --Phiont 17:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm this?
Someone said that Toshiro Kago was following them in the wastes... Is that for real? I dont have the DLC yet.....--BloodOmelet 00:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Those damned names
It is impossible to translate his name without knowing the character(s) used. Kago could very well be written as "carriage (litter)" (駕籠)、but also could be "basket" (籠), or even "blessing" (加護). As a realistic possibility, the "blessing" character comes to mind since it is a fairly common family name in some parts of Japan. As for his first name, it is unclear of where the accent is. Toshiro could be Toushirou or Toshirou, and there are countless combination of characters that could be used so it is impossible to narrow down the possibilities. It is unclear how the author on the Notes section managed to translate Toshiro as "talented/intelligent," but no such adjective exists. It is possible however that s/he mistook "rookie, amateur, green" which is shi-ro-u-to. This shirouto is often slanged and pronounced in a compound fashion as to-u-shi-ro, which sounds like a person's name but in actuality is referring to a person lacking experience.
 * That's because one possible kanji combination for Toshiro can mean talented/intelligent, and is not an adjective in its own right. I removed the name translation bullet from the Notes section for the same reasons described above. 4RM0 18:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone think that his personal name might be a reference (albeit a tenuous one) to the iconic samurai-portraying actor Toshiro Mifune? Arechi no majo 08:27, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Disappear?
Ok, so does he dissapear after This Galaxy Aint Big Enough... or doesn't he? Currently, the article states both. --Sentinel 101 15:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

In my game, he went away after that quest, so I'd assume that is what happened. He dissapeared for others too, and everyone I asked had him disapear so I guess he left! -GaidenGuy123 05:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No, he remains on the ship, but he doesn't initiate dialogue with the Lone Wanderer anymore, so it's best to kill him and get his armor.

What? No Universal Translator©?
I found it very disappointing that there was no "universal translator" to allow you to communicate with Toshiro.

Well, that isn't all I found disappointing with MZ, but it's the only one concerned with this article.

Ditto, made me sad that I couldn't talk to him. Honestly, I think it would'a been cool to take him on as a follower or something, maybe after passing a speech challenge saying that you're a warlord back on Earth so he'd pledge himself to you. Oh well, I released him from his torment aboard the ship, he has nifty armor and I really dig his sword. 96.18.21.198 00:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

umm A universal Translator?? are you guys serious? I Think it makes the Add on more effective with the connections between you and the other characters, the fact that you cant communicate with the man makes it that more intresting to see how his interactions thourought the story pan out. Yes Your language is English, he is from Japan and speaks only japanese.. In other words that fact that you cant speak to him makes it slightly more realistic, in a sci-fi setting which is a nice touch from bethesda. but you all have one common goal in the add on.. where communication is hard but not neccessary to complete your goals. TheRepublicOfDave 15:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

If you guys are thinking "Wait, how come General Jingwei had a english subtitle?"... I have two theories... First, it was a simulation... Finally, your PiP-boy can translate Mandarin Chinese since you are able to read the skill book about Chinese Ops Stealth... They might have also tried to make it realistic.... After all, they said they wanted to suprise the players right?.... Sorry for bad grammar and confusing paragraph here....--BloodOmelet 23:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was the simulation. After all, it was meant to trains US soldiers, it stands to reason they had been prepared for hte fact that not every soldier could speak chinese. --DragonJTSLeave me a message 02:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The version that the Pip-Boy can translate Mandarin is impossible. In Velvet Curtain quest, on the holotape with bank password, there is a short Chinese sentence "Zhou ni haiyun", which isn't translated. So it's simulation.
 * You don't read the Chinese Ops manual, you watch the pretty pictures. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/thumb/5/5c/Scribe.jpg/15px-Scribe.jpg Tagaziel (call!) 05:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Rothessy 22:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It requires a Pipboy to enter the sim. Although it is said that a Pipboy can properly interact with the sim, it does not deny the fact that ALL Chinese texts can be/are translated. RobCo produced both terminals and the Pipboys. As for the Velvet Curtain, wouldnt it be strange for Chinese spies to simply speak Mandarin on the streets? To draw no attention, they recorded most of the holotapes in English to prevent people from suspecting to hear "chinese babling". It is possible that the holotape was programmed not to have the mandarin part translated? Or that that the pipboy can only translate whole sentenses or holotapes in the same language? --Radnus 81.205.186.16 21:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Can we get more translations from someone who speaks Japanese? =)


 * In particular I'd like to know what he says in his Captive Recording

Well, "Nanda kono arisama ha(ka)?" "Who the hell are you guys?" (no sure, because ari+sama seem weird, but sama in a question is asking about someone's background. And since this is clearly a question I think the it should end with ka.

"Youkaihenge ka?" Youkai=evil/super natural spirit (No, Demon is Akuma, Akurayou or Oni) henge=form adoption, often illusion; therefore "illusion create by evil/super natural spirit(s)?"

"Hanase, imasagu!"="Speak, Right now"

"Kikoenuka, hanase, ima... "="Didn't you heard me, Speak, Righ... " Scarvet 14:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Behind an un-openable door
The page says that he wanders the ship after the main quest is done, but on my game he's behind a "This door is activated elsewhere" door to the right of the bridge's entrance with no apparent method of opening, standing still. Has this happened to anyone else?—Moonraker0 21:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That little girl is supposed to open the door in the middle of the fight with the other MS and say something like "oh it's the samurai man.... jaddajadda", I'm not 100% sure about this but after a whiles travel on wasteland and upon returning to bridge the door could "reset" to the default closed position possibly trapping characters inside it. This never happened to me and from the sound of it your littlehelper didn't even let him in.--85.29.76.50 19:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

list of what Toshiro says in Japanese taken from article and discussion
Just a rough reference to those of you who want to study Japanese through what Kago is saying. Order of list is article top to bottom, then Discussion top to bottom. Hanase はなせ could be speak 話せ, release (e.g. a ball, make distance) 離せ or free 放せ. I chose "free". If Kago was restrained in some manner supposedly in the captive recording (someone please confirm I don't have Mothership Zeta), then it should be "free (me)". I would also like to add some insight to the discussions page regarding some translations. Mouse is a 謙譲語, or a modest way of speech. Mouse is to order someone to state or inform. Koko ga doko nanoka mouse "State where this place is." In classical Japanese, a polite way to start a conversation to someone of higher rank/social status was, "moushi ageru" 申し上げる　meaning "Informing (you)." Casually this could be translated as "Let me tell you (speak to you)." So, mousu 申す　is not exactly to "speak" or "talk." Youkai-henge is youkai (demon, evil spirit, etc) henge (incarnate, incarnation, but literally 'change into'). So 妖怪変化＝devil incarnate, or even "visible evil spirit." arisama 有様＝condition, situation. So 4RM0 was correct on those translations. As I looked at the translation in the Article page, it is pretty accurate. Normally in formal Japanese question marks "?" and exclamation marks "!" aren't used, but to make the list easy to compare with the article and discussion page, I added them in whenever appropriate. There are some inconsistencies with the article, but I thought that some of the exclamation marks were inappropriate to the dialogue spoken so I changed to the normal circular period. Please forgive me for the inconvenience this has caused. I am a Japanese just graduated IU with BA for linguistic anthropology this spring, currently looking for a job lol. Sorry for the long post, didn't mean to spam.

御主は何者？此処は何処だ？

拙者の剣！拙者の剣は何所だ？

さっぱり解らない. 此処が何処なのか申せ. 拙者の剣はどうした？

拙者の剣は何所だ. 今すぐ返さぬか.

何を言っておるのだ. さっぱり解らん. 何とかしてくれ！

何とかせぬか！拙者の剣は一体何所にあるのか？

何を言っておるのだ. この地に見覚えはない. 一体拙者に何をした？

拙者の剣を今すぐ返すのだ. 早く返さぬか.

御主は一体何者？拙者は何故此処にいる？

拙者の剣はどうなった？ええい、早く返さぬか！

妖怪から身を護るには剣が要る.

何が起こったのか、見当つかぬ.

妖術で拙者を捕らえた妖怪め、このままでは終らぬぞ！

剣を奪われてしまった. 耐えがたき屈辱.

剣をすぐ取り返さねばならぬ！

人を嘲るな！御主の物言いはさっぱり解らん.

拙者を助けたくば、拙者の剣を探し出せ.

何と？何を望んでおるのだ？何故御主の言う事が解らぬのだ？

御主、何故そのように話す？何か所望の物でもあるのか？

おお、拙者の剣！返してもらうとは忝い.

おお、これこそ拙者の剣！忝い！

済まぬが、拙者自らこれから起こる事に備えねばならぬ.

邪魔をするな.

何だこの有様は？

妖怪変化か？

放せ、今すぐ！

聞こえぬか、放せ、今・・・

--71.194.202.59 07:48, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

the door in the observation deck
sally went thru the side of the door but is just standing on the other side. is there a trick to get thru the door or am i missing something?

Samari Sword
I wanted to give Toshiro his sword but couldn't find him in Engineering. Now I have found him in the Living Quarters but there doesn't appear to be any option but to pick pocket it to him - is this a bug or how it's scripted? Plcpress

BAMF
Is it just me, or is this guy pretty much the baddest character in the game? He took on Aliens with those damnable shields and Alien energy weapons with some ancient steel armor and a SWORD! Raymorn 17:33, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hell yeah he is, his armor isn't even steel either. Classic samurai armor was mostly laquered leather. He is pretty sick.Quakingphear 01:43, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah,he looks like he could be gordon freeman of fallout. 90.220.236.208 16:20, July 31, 2010 (UTC)lolnooob

Possible Toshiro Mifune Reference?
The fact that he is a samurai, it's named Toshiro and the way he talks like the japanese actor may be enough to conclude that is a reference to Toshiro Mifune, who played various roles as a samurai in a lot of movies by Akira Kurosawa.

What do you think?

Well, Kurosawa influenced The Magnificent 7, Fist Full of Dollars, and Star Wars with his movies, so why not. Even Toshiro Mifune himself was iconic and his roles inspirational. I actually can't believe I missed that my self. Quakingphear 01:45, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Toshiro is not such an unusual name. Without a full name correspondance, that's nothing to go on. And he's a samurai and he talks the way he does, because that's American pop culture's exposure to the Japanese. Not a reference to Kurosawa, just a caricature informed by samurai movies in general. No reference here.--Gothemasticator 02:13, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much what Gothemasticator said. To be honest the first thing I noticed when I saw Toshiro was his Ieyasu Tokugawa helmet. xD Couldn't help it. Shikari~ 07:46, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Different eyes?
Tosrisho has a more squinted pair of eyes when compared to setting your character to asian. Should this be noted? [IM NOT RACIST] gun_with_utters 15:10, June 3, 2010 (UTC) GatlingBrahmin


 * The Lone Wanderer's mother is canonically African American, and besides which you can make his/her eyes more slanted in the editor (as opposed to using the default Asian characteristics). On that note, yes, you are racist. - Guest; March 21, 2011

8th century?
I'm sorry, but where are people getting this date of abduction from? I have seen no in-game or canonical out of game information that states he is from Japan circa the 900s. Furthermore, I would like to state that samurai didn't even exist until the 12th century, or 11th at the absolute earliest, which is a few centuries later. - Guest; March 21, 2011


 * I'm agree. Theoretically, the only information we have it comes from the symbol of Oda on his armor, dating from the mid-16th century (and again theoretically before the death of Nobunaga Oda in 1582, one of the most powerful man of the Japan in this century). Itachou [~talk~] 15:29, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Confusing wording
Taken from the article:
 * " At the beginning of the Tokugawa shogunate in March 24, 1603, used of "mon" (crests) spread for all classes from peasant to samurai, and are not any more reserved for aristocratic families and clans, so Toshiro took for him and placed the "wood sorrel" mon on his old okegawa dô, a mon popular among the samurai class since the swards are symbol of samurai spirit and three leaves represent compassion, wisdom and virtue."

What? Valnatix 16:29, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I edited it a bit for typos and clarity. Take another look and see if it's more understandable. -- 16:38, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. In fact, "mon" (crests in Japan) are only authorized for aristocratic families and clans (Oda, Hojo, Sanada etc) before the Tokugawa shogunate. Samurai and normal families are not allowed to have a personal mon, a symbol for his family. The mon used by Toshiro is never used before the Tokugawa shogunate - so belongs to no family or clan. If he uses it on his armor, he has chosen for his family, so that the Tokugawa shogunate have begin. Itachou [~talk~] 16:42, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much how I read it, but there was at least one typo, some awkward wording, and I replaced the word "mon" after the first usage with the word "crest" for clarity. -- 16:44, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

No good, sorry but it's not crests in fact, it's just a similar thing, even Wikipedia call it "mon". Itachou [~talk~] 16:51, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your dedication to the subject matter, but for this wiki I feel the word "crests" is close enough, and avoids confusion. -- 19:11, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * But crest is incorrect even in western terminology for what we mean. The crest sits atop a coat of arms, which a mon is comparable to, not the crest. I feel that this is less a matter of clarity as respect for the Japanese, who would take this very seriously indeed. A mon is very different to a crest, and to an extent a coat of arms. Furthermore, the mon that he bears shows his loyalty and the fact that he fights for the Oda clan, not even necessarly the Shogunate itself. The article says "mon (crest)" already so there is no need to change the entire article to crest. Lastly, in this period the peasants would most certainly not have had mons, but ji-samurai (similar to small-time feudal lords) may have had a set of armour such as this, but would have still been subject to one of the great clans, hence the Tokugawa mon. This therefore implies that he was a ji-samurai subject to the Oda clan, and is therefore using their mon. Mon is correct, not crest as they are different things entirely. TheGuardianCalligraphy.pngGuardianoftheWastesTag.png 22:07, July 2, 2011 (UTC) Hope this helps to solve your debate :).
 * I revised it again. How's that for accuracy? -- 03:22, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even easier answer for you, get rid of all approximations and just call in "mon", and simply link it out to Wikipedia. So if anyone want to argue what a mon is equivalent to, they can do so over there and we can get on with Fallout stuff here. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 03:32, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Best solution? I agree. -- 03:36, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the history lesson, but that is better now, even if I disagree somewhat with the 'status of all classes' part, but I won't change it because I can't see that anyone else will care particularly. At least that is sorted now, and thanks for taking my opinion into account :). Right, now for Fallout... ;) TheGuardianCalligraphy.pngGuardianoftheWastesTag.png

Kris, the purpose of a Wiki is not to make it more accesible for everyone while destroying the words and cultures, it aims to be accurate in every respect. Just because it's a different culture and different words that we must ignore them and put something similar but alternately wrong.

And also, in the Wood Sorel mon, there is no question of swords but swards, please stop putting swords in place of swards, which is false. The swards in this mon is the symbol of the samurai spirits and the three leaves the values ​​attached to the samurai - compassion, wisdom and virtue, so it became popular among the samurai class in the Tokugawa shogunate.

For the rest, you can trust me, Azuchi–Momoyama period, the beginning of Edo period, Bakumatsu and the Meiji period is something that I know best in my knowledge ;). Itachou [~talk~] 16:40, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Um "crest" IS the most similar word I can think of. English doesn't represent the whole western world. And in various languages crest means more than in a coat of arms. So technically it IS a crest. Because it represents a whole clan or family. I suggest just leaving mon, but putting crest between parenthesis. Okay if you're a history lover, but chances are that there is people who will just be confused with the whole wording. On a side note, I do "translate" words in my language. I dislike using japanese words while speaking english. It plain sounds dumb. Using a replacing word -shouldn't- hurt anyone's feelings. Keimei~ 07:55, August 15, 2011 (UTC)