Talk:Hilltop farm ruins

I could imagine the mentioned travelers were simply Slavers who enslaved the whole bunch, except for the sceleton-fella who served as an example what happens if anyone resists. 77.25.206.37 01:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

From the dialogue of the messages, it seems as if this commune and its people were from right after the war.

Verification required
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 * To the northeast of the farm, past the water tower and over a small ridge, a band of four Raiders can be found standing over the bodies of five Wastelanders. A lack of nearby fast-travel locations makes it almost impossible to intervene in the battle, although a careful approach from the a ridge to the northwest (east-southeast via Relay Tower KX-B8-11) can allow a player with a a sniper scope to view the participants before the battle script activates. Inching slowly closer while doing this can even trigger the battle's closer participants to act while their compatriots remain frozen. Judicious application of a Missile Launcher can even eliminate the Raiders while leaving perhaps one (or more?) Wastelanders alive. Your reward for saving the fortunate citizen is the chance to be told to go away, or other such Wastelander sayings. For most players though, this is likely intended to represent the final stand of the Hilltop Farm's inhabitants, as without some sort of long-range assistance they are totally overmatched and will fail to kill even a single Raider.

Needs verification, I haven't encountered these; plus it seems more like a random encounter to me. -- Porter21 (talk) 05:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I tested it multiple times - but only with one character. Does that make a difference if you use the same character instead of different ones? I will try to get a different character out their to see, since it is my responsibility/edit. - Kamov
 * Okay, it was a random encounter. I apologize for my over-eagerness - it just fit so well with the location that I assumed it was on purpose! Will be more circumpsect in the future. - Kamov
 * No problem. And to answer your question, once triggered, encounters will stay in the same location for a certain character. -- Porter21 (talk) 07:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe it is a random encounter, I also encountered the same bodies and also had a Raider attack me immediately after reading the terminal logs. Seems like it's relevant to me. --98.218.81.113 02:30, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is a random encounter. Probably the "Raiders vs Wastelanders" one. in my Geck this cell is named "farmstead" but it must be under another name on the encounters page [Fallout_3_random_encounters] as I could not find it. Anyway it is a random encounter place (repeatable,Type B).Here is a screenshot of the GECK showing the trigger zones(orange rectangles), the encounter itself (red Xmarkerheadings) and the patrol way (Yellow-Green lines). As shown on the picture the triggering zone is far from the actual encounter itself and the battle will very likely end before the player arrive just to discover the raiders on their patrol package and the wastelanders already dead. . But perhaps the programmers placed this here on purpose, because the odds are quite high for this specific (but totally random)encounter happen hereCroquignol 22:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Raider Ambush at Enclave Camp
Several times recently I've been heading past here on my way up to the Republic of Dave and have went through the canyon to the northeast and found a demolished Enclave camp which when I entered 3-5 raiders appeared on the surrounding cliffs wearing Enclave and Tesla armor (minus the helmets) and weilding the Enclave Soldiers Weapons. Anyone else see this? If it is an actual encounter or something it should be listed in the encounters section. I've only seen this since getting the Game of the Year edition for the Xbox 360.

Former Vault Residents?
Could the people from this place also be former Vault residents? They mention coming into the light, as well as coming out (of some underground place, not some sexual things for you corny folks). I havent found any hatch or door leading to some place underground, so my guess would be that would be that the people traveled to this place from some other place. They also mention what technology has done to them, though this might be more concerning the Abomb droppings. The closest Vault is Vault 92, maybe they have fled from that place. --Radnus 81.205.186.16 11:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

No I don't think that they are former Vault residents. They must've taken shelter in some kind of cave or underground structure when the bombs fell. Masterwho? 01:58, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Chickens and goats? You missread.
I believe that they were referring to the chickens and goats PRE war. They've obviously learnt about them and THEN said. "The chickens and goats may be all gone but the cows don't seem to mind their rugged surroundings" or w/e. They are talking about the cows survival as a species and how chickens and goats didn't survive the war... not how they didn't survive on this farm. So I'm changing it.

Very early post-war survivors
With Edgar saying how everyones nervous about the genorators and technology. What happened is still fresh in their minds.

Miles' experience on the farm, could only be gained pre-war right? Goats and Chickens, stored pre-war?

Irrigation and fertilization has been good? With those radiation barrels right there in their water source? Just some exposure to radiation with those barrels there. Were they not there when they settled?

This seems right to me. About the folks the scout spotted. Too early after the war to be raiders or slavers.

These folks also 'rode' by. Vehicles this early? I think the Enclave and/or Vault-tec have been busy on the surface not just vaults from the very start.

I totally agree. I don't believe they were enslaved or killed, but rather they moved long ago and(just speculation) them or their offsprings founded a city in a more hospitable place. Considering a "city" like Canterbury commons only has 5 citizens and is able to defend itself against raiders and critters, here we have a very important community for the wastelands, 10 people are mentionned in the notes,including an ingenior, a doctor and a scout or guard and there were probably more not mentionned. Or perhaps they became ghouls... But the "fairly certain" in the article is mere speculation. The skeleton could be any passer by or even a previous unlucky player. Who really played the whole game without the main character dying at least once ?Croquignol 23:31, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

The skeleton by the terminal
I was just thinking that the skeleton by the terminal may not be one of the farm residents and instead one of the "Travellers". Who read the terminal and was then shot by one of the residents, or more likely it could simple be someone who inventisgated the terminal much like the Lone Wanderer but then died from dehydratrion, poison or one of the Capital Wastelands many er more temperamental residents.