User talk:Ralok29797

Cleared your talkpage
You cleared your talkpage I noticed. You can also archive it, then you will have a totally clean new talkpage like now, but with your former talkpage content safely stored away, accessible by a simple mouseclick. You want me to do that? I'll explain after it how I did it. Jspoel 22:18, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah . . . i dont even want to look at the old talk page . . . to many crap memories ralok 22:27, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Your suggestion
I told you what you need to do about the suggestion: take it to the forum and make a post about it there. If any chat mod asks you to drop a subject in chat, and you don't, that's grounds for a kickban. -- 00:39, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest reading up on The Vault:IRC channel as they also apply to chat. You was not only told by the mods, but also by every other user to drop the topic. You was causing a general disruption to the chat and as such was removed from it. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 00:46, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then you shouldnt have people as chat mods who are unwilling to hear people out, or just outright tell them in a private chat that chats are not the place to suggest change in the wiki structure! As well, you should have them prepared with a link to the rules explaining the use of the chat! Instead of just insulting me like cartman has done several times already . . . . I am here for content, not for the community! But I expect to be treated like a human being, not liked a lobotmized invalid simply because I have different ideas. Yes, I like fallout 3, I like the betehsda era. I have played them thoroughly enough and paid enough attention to the lore to have my own ideas. But it is no reason for me to be treated like I am a child or a retard. Does this wiki even have a rule section explaining how the chat should be used? Probably doesnt, which just allows every mod on the chat to make up rules on the fly to get any person off the chat that doesnt share their opinion with them . . . . Kris, I had a real problem with the legendary creatures, I got yelled at because I was having an issue with it. I was not navigating through the legendary creatures well, and I got yelled at for it. This makes this wiki look very very terrible, and it isnt a terrible wiki! You should put some gears in motion to make sure this doesnt happen again with other users (I refer to standardized chat rules, and system for informing people of the rules, not the legendary thing . . . that is a topic I will take to the forum and will be dropped and not discussed anywhere but there!)
 * Oh and thanks GhostAvatar for linking me to a page full of rules that I DIDNT BREAK, really bro that didnt help in any way at all. I wanst harassing other people, I wasnt being a dick, I wasnt making personal attacks or speaking in leet, I wasnt spamming, or posting external links. I was just trying to have a discussion, if you will tell me which rule I broke, I will admit that I was wrong . . . . I would really hate to have to take this issue to the wikia staff . . . . But I will if I continue to be treated like garbage. ralok 00:54, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * You lost me at "Does this wiki even have a rule section explaining how the chat should be used". I already posted above a link to such a section above. This again is evident of your failure to understand or listen. Simply fact is you tried to hijack the chat for your own means (thereby disrupting it and essentially being a dick, because you and only you wanted to discuss it), to discuss something that chat is not the ideal platform for instead of using the correct channels. Ignorance is not a excuse in the eyes of the law and it is the same here.


 * Oh and by all means, take it to the wikia staff, they have no jurisdiction over each individual wikis policies. wikia:help:Help:Blocking User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 01:12, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt triyng to hijack the chat, dont get lost when I say something. There should be a system! You should have very clear rules on what the chat is for, and how it functions. All chat moderators should be armed with a link to these rules (not the rules posted above as I didnt break any of those rules), which they can provide to the user in a private chat (all the moderators should be instructed how to initiate a private chat. I was yelled at because I was having an issue with the content of the wiki making it hard for me to get the information I desired in an accurate way. I was yelled at for expressing a concern. That is something that should never happen on a wiki ever! ralok 01:21, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

OH ALSO, that is an awesome picture on your page. . . is there other versions of it, did you draw it? Did the artist who drew it have a deviatnart page? Honest to god I want to know because that is an awesome picure. . . I wonder if I could modify it into a desktop background. Skeleton armies are cool, makes me think you were probably very excited when you saw the skeleton astronaut in the old world blues trailer. . . .Seriously, is there a bigger version of that available somewhere. . . just so awesome ralok 01:25, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * You do realise I have a complete log of chat? You was not yelled at for having an issue, you was told to drop it because no-one wanted to listen to it there. Instead you was told to take it to the forum for discussion. You refused and decided to continue on the topic, even after several people told you to leave it out of chat. To me that is hijacking the chat for your own individual means and not that of what the group wanted. You may not want to be part of the community, but this site is still community driven regardless of your own desire and you should respect that. If you can understand that or accept it, that is your problem and there is nothing I can do to help you with that. At the end of the day you was disrupting chat, whether you believe it or not. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 01:36, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I do realize it, but I fail to see how that makes a difference! I was treated unfairly, if there was a proper rule page outlining what purpose the chat was for, and if I had received a private message linking me to that rule page explaining my error. . . I would have dropped it, right there I would have left and caused not problem! But instead this was allowed to become an issue when all I wanted to do was HELP and make something less confusing. Here is an idea, if you want your encyclopedia not built by the community, dont make it a wiki! I was just trying to contribute to help make something that had been an issue for me easier, so it wouldnt be an issue with others. That shouldnt be something I get yelled at and blocked for. If you want to have the chat be solely for community interaction and not for wiki content or design, then put that in a rule, on a rule page. . . . . I dont want to have a fight, I am not here for a fight, I am here for the content, and not the community! Today, the community got in the way of the content being accessible to everyone. . . and that upsets me. . .please work out a better system for how chat, and chat ruels are handled. . . because I dont want what happened with me repeated with other people! I dont want other people to make the same mistake I have made here today, and if they do make that same mistake. . . they need to be quickly and effectively informed of their mistake, instead of being confused massively by the community leaders and reduced into a crying fit because he doesnt understand what the heck happened. . . ralok 01:49, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Seriously, you listen to nothing do you? A fact that several people stated in chat, yet you still didn't listen. I never said that I wanted this site not to built by the community. In fact I stated right above that this site is community driven and you need to accept that, instead of thinking of your own individual desires. Community is about the group and not the individual, simply fact is that you are making this all about yourself and your own needs, instead of being part of the community. The community didn't get in the way, you simply decided to ignore the community on how best to solve this (i.e. by taking it to the forum). You was told several time of this, yet you still continued on the matter. Directing you to any kind of rules would not have made a difference, because you didn't listen in the first place to others already in chat. As for being told about there mistakes.... err Kris stated that right at the top of these messages, but you still wish to object to that and continue on. User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 02:02, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * And FYI you were "banned" for a matter of minutes, boo hoo. It was a necessary reminder that chat isn't all about you, and telling admins they are "abusing their powers" by not doing exactly as you say has no place here. I've already stated in the chat that if every single user got exactly what they wanted, this wiki would fail as a community effort. --233345-cartman1_tiny.gif Avatar talk.png 02:06, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

YES, yes directing me to the rules of the website would have made a difference! That is all I am going too say, if there was a proper rulepage for the chat, and a mod had pulled me aside with the private message system and linked me to that rulepage, I would have shut up right then and there. But at the time I thought I was using a page for wiki discussion, and people were just ganging up on me because of my opinions differing from there. Even if the private chat didnt include a link to the rules, a private chat from a moderator would have shut me up. Instead a hundred people just ganged up and told me I was wrong, not even bothering to explain in more than three words what I was doing wrong. What it looked like to me was that we were having a discussion about something, I tried to outline my reasoning for what I was suggesting. . . that made people more angery. . . it wasnt until very late in the chat I even realized what I had done wrong! Christ alive, this didnt have to be an issue I just needed to be told not too do what I was doing. I had a hard time even figuring out WHAT I was doing wrong!!! I didnt understand, because nobody explained it well! ralok 02:22, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I was just trying to help. . . .that is all I was doing. . . I was just trying to help. . . . . what went wrong. . . I was just trying to help. . . . ralok 02:26, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

My thought was just, heck im having a problem here I should tell someone about the problem ill go on the chat, and then it all just collapsed and you people are treating me like I am some kind of scumbag. . . I JUST WANTED TO HELP I had no malicious intention. . . why is this all happening ralok 02:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem as I see it is that you were told the proper venue to describe your idea in detail and seek the community's approval of it, and instead of taking that advice you continued to disrupt the chat trying to explain your complex idea - which in itself is hard to do in a chat with any degree of success - and promote it, and get what amounts to a significant change in policy implemented through a handful of people in the chat room instead of the proper method. And I told you both in private and in public that you needed to take it to the forum. The only reason I blocked your private messages is that you refused to listen to me in private and I was tired of trying to make you understand. Despite your relatively low edit count you've been around long enough to know how things work better than that. -- 12:32, July 13, 2011 (UTC)