Forum:The Enclave

I would really like the next fallout to have a Enclave that is strong and wins. You would fighting the Enclave that could win because of your actions or lose( like if decide to save an officer, that officer could end up killing you in the end because they still think your scum). There would be multiple endings so no after game dc's becuase what would you rather have, a dc that expands the end or have multiple paths to choose?

The setting could be British Columbia, Canada. British Columbia has a rain forest, Vancover, glaciers, lakes, and mountains. The Enclave has brought over deathclaws, but they some have escaped and expanded. There would be Yang Gou's becuase of the bear population.

Constuctive Critisism Please!!!

Ohnoitsthecopz: yes, yes, and yes i live in that area and love to see it in a post-apocalyptic sense and i love the enclave hope they have a bigger presence in the New Vegas DLC's than was in the main game:(

twitches* Im a fan of the original fallouts... just a word of warning... I dont think the more vocal ones of me will be quiet about not liking this idea... especially since the enclave should have died after the events of fallout 2. I reckon the Enclaves appearance in Fallout: New Vegas was suitable, given the region and the Nazi-esque view they had of the west coast wastelanders. Sorry dude, Canon wise, wouldn't really fit.

Also, the enclave weren't really weak, they just had little numbers and an aforementioned Nazi-esque view of those who were not one of them. Their ideas were evil, and as established in fiction (and sometimes in fact) Good always overcomes evil.5t3v0 10:35, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

SergeantDornan: Why couldn't the Enclave still exist after Fallout 2? I'm a fan of the fallout series as well, having played both 1 and 2. Hell, I still have Fallout 2 on my PC, and I play it regularly. I don't see why they can't still be around. Is it unreasonable to think that the Enclave didn't rebuild after the events of Fallout 2? Maybe they fled somewhere--well apparantly they did flee east, which is why they are in the Capitol Wasteland. Also, there would have been survivors of the oil rig. Depending on how you played the end out, there is at very least a squad of 4 that helps you fight Cragen (sp?), the end boss. Sso I think it is plausible in the Fallout story for the Enclave to still be around. What I don't understand is why so many people are saying they are good, when they clearly have evil ideals.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a Fallout game where you can choose to be a member of the Enclave.THAT would be fun as hell.

Well Im not discounting the events of fallout 3, but I honestly reckon the Enclave has been done to death. Sure their power amour is awesome... but having them as a major faction after suffering 2 defeats at the hands of (at the time) seemingly Nobodies would probably drive morale down so low that everyone would have just given up on the Idea, probably even the higher-ups, and word would have gotten around so they couldnt have hidden his/her existence/

Fallout 4 should be about someone else. Maybe the brotherhood went back to their old management? I dunno. 5t3v0 04:12, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

EnclaveElite: Sorry, I did not know how serious their defeat was in Fallout 2. I've played Fallout 3 and NV, but I never really payed attention to the previous games. Still, I believe that the the game makers should have a great area for Fallout 4 and New Vegas was sort of a blunder in my eyes. EnclaveElite 01:41, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

the enclave should make a comeback, they were the most fun to kill and had the best areas to explore (loot wise). they can fit them in story wise, after all i got the impression that they pulled the story of new vegas out of there ass. how could an average courier basically be the most influential person in new vegas? there could be enclave outcasts? not fussed about the story, just want a good game

SergeantDornan: Well, I DO care about the storyline, and my point has always been that there is no reason having the Enclave return in the future compromises what has been established. SURELY the Enclave have more than just one oil rig, a massive base at navarro, and a bunker at Raven Rock? They are a large group of people with access to incredible pre-war tech, after all. They MUST have other bases, and it has been hinted that they do, even in FO2. So, it wouldn't go against the storyline to have them make a comeback. Plus, they DO need a victory in terms of Morale. It would be refreshing to see a Fallout game end in such a dark and dreary manner, as the Enclave actually winning a battle.

Why is the Courrier's influence reaching? He has influence because of circumstance. He was the lucky one to have the Platinum Chip to be delivered to Mr. House. As such, the courier ends up getting into the lucky 38, which immediatly attracts the attention of the NCR, because no living human being has been inside for decades upon decades. Finally, taking care of Benny (either killing him, or chasing him from the Tops) gets the attention of Ceaser, who sees the potential the Courier has to help his cause. There is nothing reaching about the storyline in FONV. Circumstance had lead alot of people to have much distinction, or even change history. It was due to circumstance that President Lincoln, Kenedy, and General Patton all have the influence and respect that they do. It is because of circumstance that Hitler was able to rise to power and change the world. Circumstance can cause a lot to happen, so it is not surprising that the right circumstances enabled the courier to have such great influence in the Mohave.

According to the holy Fallout bible, no. The enclave were not a large group. Their low numbers were the reason why they were supposed to have died out. They were numbered only numbered in the hundreds, probably 1200 of them at best. Navaro was overrun by both the NCR and BoS, and as you know the oil rig was nuked to hell.

Basically, what people have failed to realise with the enclave is that they ARENT massive. They were relatively small with New technology being their only strength, which is proved ingame (Helios one, both defeats by the Chosen one and the lone wanderer) and even in real life (the events in black hawk down, the battle of roberts ridge) that technology is nothing against will power and large manpower.

Though if the enclave won a battle, everyone thats not them will be dead. The true enclave did not care about the wasteland surviving. Only them. Hell, Even Fallout 3 Enclave tried that, with the modified FEV that you could put into the purifier as per J. H. Edens request. For a true enclave victory to be canon, would end the series as we know it. 5t3v0 07:43, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

SergeantDornan: You are equating winning one battle to winning a war. Even had Eden succeeded with his plan in the CW, taht doesn't mean the Enclave would manage to succeed in destroying the REST of the wasteland. Now had the Enclave suceeded out west, things would be drastically different, because there would be no NCR and the BoS would be far worse off then they are. Even then, conquering the west is not complete victory--the US is a huge territory, and they would also have to contend with the Institute, which I highly doubt would welcome the Enclave with open arms. So they could allow the Enclave to win a battle in some part of the wasteland without it meaning ALL of civilization is doomed. So they win a battle, perhaps increase in number (or at least power). They would still have a VERY long way to go.

As they saying goes, you may win the battle, but I will win the war. Enclave victory in one battle does NOT mean winning the entire war.

Well you could say that they have won a battle or 2, such as holding project purity, and probably something in Fallout 2 (havent played much of it yet... havent found time thanks to school). But I reckon losing a battle at the end of a game could be a real let down. Especially if a forced loss. I mean, fallout has always been about you and the effect you have on the area. May sound a little arrogant, but i like the freedom that you get from winning a battle. Any time you die during it and have to reload a save is technically a loss. But luckily they dont count those.

Again, though. The enclave are done. They werent even planned from the start. They were thrown in after the development of fallout. They had to retcon a lot of stuff in, which worked, but they dont really seem to be a long term faction. They seem like the villain that was put in a hero movie sequel, and killed off at the end of said sequel, but for some reason survived for another. Im just saying that there is no place for the enclave. Their 1200(?) members are now probably reduced to 100. They arent the recruiting type, so it would take probably 200 years of good solid mating for them to reproduce enough of their numbers, but over time that goal would probably be lost. As they had small numbers, its not logistically possible for them to return.

Btw SergeantDornan, on a different note, put four tildes (~) to mark your edits. It looks clear IMO Edit: Looks better IMO I mean... 5t3v0 08:28, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

hmmm i think the enclave should be more or less left out of future games, maybe find some of there deserted bases just for the loot info. the chinese should come to america, not the remenants in FO3 but post war chinese. i havnt read the fallout bible and i dont care if there return isnt written down, but they were the reason for the war. war never changes...

I think the Enclave should be included in future FallOut games. Their part of the FallOut world. Now for all we know, maybe not all of them went to the DC wastelands, maybe some of them branched off and went elsewhere.--Ryker6107:09, February 21, 2011 (UTC)~11:08pm 2/20/2011.

Yeah, sure they are. But so is the master. He was a BIG part of "FallOut" but he is only referenced in later games. He has not returned (well... at least unless they are being literal in Fallout online, which is in doubt whether it is happening at this point thanks to all the lawsuits, and fan hate). Honestly, when things die, especially when they die twice, sometimes its best not to beat a dead horse and just leave it dead. But remembering it is fine, as with the Enclave remnants in Fallout New vegas.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, but why cant people just understand that the enclave is dead? 5t3v0 09:32, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think the Enclave should remain part of the FallOut series. I just read the chronological history of the Resource Wars. According to what it says, in March of 2077, the President and the Enclave retreat to remote sections around the globe. So the Oil Rig and Raven Rock can't be the only known Enclave locations. Also if you think about it, when the Enclave retreated eastward after their defeat at the Oil Rig, who's to say that some of them didn't branch off and go else where, while the remaining Enclave forces continued onto the Capital Wasteland. Yes, the Master is part of the FallOut world, but the Master is a single individual. The Enclave is not. The Enclave is made up of numerous individuals. Plus they are the only power armor wearers that you can kill without incurring any negative karma. Again, I say the Enclave should stay. I don't think there should be a FallOut Online. There's no point to it, and it would suck.--Ryker6105:43, March 24, 2011 (UTC)~10:43pm 3/23/2011