Talk:Cross/Archive 1

I've been here before.
One of Cross's frequent coments is "I remember this area", thing is she seems to say it in the oddest places, like vaults that have been abandoned for hundreds of years. A case of bad scripting or past life memmories ?

Karma
When the article says "she will leave if your karma drops down too far for her liking," what is that karma level? Evil? Very Evil? -453 karma? what is it exactly?

its very evil, could someone confirm this?

What's with the pic?
The pic in the article is NOT of Paladin Cross. Paladin Cross is a white girl, not a black dude. 75.6.176.251 01:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Star Paladin Cross is a black girl, not a white girl? The picture's correct as of now, anyways. Perhaps you have a mod running? 74.14.118.127 16:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think she changes, like your father. Though what it's based on, or if it's just random, I don't know. All I know is in my games she's always been a white, blonde girl. Ben506 22:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Dude, you're thinking of Sentinel Lyons.

After dropping some live bottlecap mines in a couple Brotherhood Paladins and looting red ammo boxes and such she opened fire on me, rather than just returning to the citadel. Eshru 12:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

In the middle of a fight she lost the minigun that I gave to her. Then when I switched to Fawkes he lost the laser gatling gun that I gave to him after i left him alone for awhile. What gives? this game is too buggy... They Probably had them shot from their hands. Strike Reyhi 07:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * They do get the weapons shot out of their hands. Its not a good idea to give them named / unique weapons.

I dont know anything about wiki-editing, but right now i have star paladin cross, rl-3, and dogmeat in my party. I assume this is a glitch. I got rl-3 first, then dogmeat, and had good karma the first time i met cross and she joined me.
 * You're using the original release of the game, I'd assume. Glitch. --DarkJeff 05:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

"Regardless of the number of followers?"
In what way is this statement true? I had Charon as a companion and asked Star Paladin to follow me. She refused (even the first time I asked her), "given my current companionionship." I assume she will not "travel with [me] under the brotherhood flag" given that Charon is a Ghoul. So this is much like her refusal with Fawkes. So I am wondering who she will travel with in your party? Jericho? - lol --Sp3lly 21:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I just edited this article significantly and was wondering about that statement as it was. I must admit that included it since I wasn't sure and I myself hadn't verified it. We should probably have someone verify it (I am not in a position to do so anytime soon) and fix it if necessary! MastahMatt 21:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you take the right dialog options she will join no matter who is with you. I have had her join with Fawkes and with Charon and with Clover all on separate occasions.--7h1s 07:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Cross declines better armour
Cross doesn't seem interested in wearing better armour that I place in her inventory. She equips neither Enclave Power Armor nor Tesla Power Armor. Do others experience this and should we edit the article accordingly? (PC)
 * She will wear the T1 B Power Armor from Fort Constantine happily. It seems she has the -second- best armor in the game.

Jarpy 00:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * She's wearing the Tesla armor I picked up on the way to the Citadel, so she's at least wearing the Tesla in my game. (PC) 208.97.121.178 16:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

she will not wear armor with durability that is less than she currently is wearing (i have to repair Tesla armor before she wears them as most Tesla armor you get from enclave are in poor condition)

She, like all NPCs in the game will wear the best DR armor in her inventory. Her base armor that you cannot take from her is identical to |Brotherhood Power Armor in perfect condition that never wears out.(40 DR) --7h1s 07:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

--W00ty32 00:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Her default armour is a perfect condition BoS power armour, so it has 40 DR. the armour you have her must have more than the 40 DR, which not many Fresh-Off-The-Corpse Enclave/Tesla armors have.

Thats weird I gave her Winternized Combat Armour and she equiped it (she looks better in power armour) lol IAwnserFalloutQuestions 17:36, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I had her when I went to Fort Constantine. She readily equipped the T-51 armor without issue. I'm not sure if she will where repaired Hellfire or Telsa armor. I'll try that tonight.Kingclyde 01:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)kingclyde

Not Worth It, IMO
She is okay for taking care of mutant insects when walking across the Wasteland (although even then I have to rescue her from giant mutant scorpians), but she does more harm than good in big fights. She yells out "Show yourself" to Super Mutants while I'm trying to sneak up on them.

She finally got killed when we were clearing Super Mutants out of Roosevel Academy, and I wasn't sorry to see her go. At least I got her Holotags out of it. I was about to head for Lamplight to get back on the main quest and will be picking up Fawkes soon, so she was going anyway. And unlikely that even crappier RL-3 (or whatever), at least she was free.


 * According to the stats NMA has, she has the best stats out of all the companions. At level 20, she has 100 in Big Guns, Energy Weapons, and Small Guns. Are you using her correctly? Most of us give her a flamer and a minigun, and in her power armor she cleans house. Even if she gets detected, you may not be. I tended to have Charon and Dogmeat be useful decoys prior to getting Cross, and scored sneak attacks on things they were fighting against/distracting.
 * NMA's stats are not correct. For example, Clover's agility is 6 instead of "11". Star's Hp is not 510 anyway.

Hmm... I'm a stealth type, I don't have any trouble. She does call out to them, but she also seems to distract them off of me so it doesn't matter. Also, I gave her T-51b, and she's like a walking tank. I gave her 30 Stimpaks when I first recuited her, and now quite a bit of time later, she hasn't had to use any of them.Fiddlesoup 00:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Not worth ? My character is a sneaky one too, and since I used Star Cross as a tank I don't even care of ennemies. I gave her a Tesla Armor, the A3-21 plasma rifle, some grenades and she is able to take care fof all the deathclaws of Old Olney alone while I sit sneaking in the shadow and watch the show. This character is too powerful and unbalanced. It ruins the fun of the game. The only problem with her is she lose her guns quite easily. She had 2 gatling laser shot off her hands, and I could never recover them. She even lost the A3-21 once, but even with her super sledge she is deadly. Now I prefer Clover or Charon because they are strong but not that powerful. Croquignol 19:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why do people always complain about "too powerful" or "unbalanced"? Even if she is a bit awesome, don't we need that from time to time? If you don't like her, don't pick her up. If you prefer to protect someone and slow yourself down, keep Sydney as a permanent follower and stop complaining.--Sigan 23:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I had Jericho as a follower initially but my karma improved so now he sits on his own in Moriaty's (I killed everyone in Megaton so I don't know where he gets all his drinks from!) But I picked up Star Paladin Cross later on at start of Broken Steel DLC. I find her a well balanced character. When I hadn't given her any of my stuff she was dying fairly easily (I play on the very hard setting unless I can't get past a particular point, where I dial it down a bit). Once I had some fully repaired tesla armour and plasma/laser weapons to give her, the improvement was very noticeable.

Like others, I don't find her shouting comments warns enemies of your presence necessarily. Unless you have a very high sneak (I chose other skills instead) then you have to be cautious near enemies anyway, i.e crouching and staying out of their line of vision. Also the time of day can affect drastically what creatures and quantity you meet at given locations. Try changing some of the characters tactics, there are several ways you can have them fight for you. I usually pick "not so close to me" and "ranged weapon" this allows me to then flank the enemy, useful particularly if there are a lot of powerful ones, like Old Olney and the deathclaws!!!! It is usually not a good idea to let your character do all the work either even though they can handle most things. You will lose XP points, they seem to be handed out randomly with a follower??? You don't necessarily get them for every kill as you would on your own. 89.241.244.123 14:20, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Laser Pistol, Plasma Pistol
The comment in the article is misinformed. Really the infinite ammo is related to the default weapon which uses no ammo, rather than them actually having an infinite supply of the relevant type of ammo. --DarkJeff 15:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Its the weapon, not the ammo...  17:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this true for only the specific weapon she starts with or type of weapon? Would a better unique laser pistol also use no ammo given to her?

Only the default weapon has infinite ammo. even if you give her one of the same type she still needs ammo Sheepbiter 12:22, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

It is definitely the case that if you give the follower a weapon other than what they have as default, you will also need to give them a regular supply of ammo. Also remember to repair their weapons and armour as often as you do your own. It's a bit of a bind with the dialogue to do this but it does make for a stronger follower. 89.241.244.123 14:10, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Stats
Posted her stats in my game at level 20, but there are discrepancies with this page. Feel free to verify, especially if you are low level. --Voidvector 16:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Max Hp is not 510, NMA's stats aren't all correct. —Preceding. Please sign your posts with ~ !


 * Check out this screenshot: Image:StarPaladinCrossHealth.png, it is from one of my savegames where I am level 18. At level 20, her HP is 520. --Voidvector 05:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Bugs
for an unknown reason, she may "mutate", during which her hands become black "flippers". / 71.231.69.222
 * Can I be a bit sceptic? /Mirar 07:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds kinda like a bug I had happen to my character once. His hands got all big and weird and looked like alien's hands.Fiddlesoup 00:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember I had her following me, and I visited the Regulator HQ(to sell the fingers I'd acquired), and when I got inside, Cross started firing randomly, which caused Sonora Cruz to flee(although Cross didn't kills Sonora).

Unfortunately, Sonora has yet to return to where she's supposed to be, so I have a bunch of worthless fingers.--97.113.165.196 05:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Console
Is anyone familiar with console commands enough to help me? Cross died in a really stupid way that wasn't my fault and I'm trying to bring her back. I have resurrected her but she's not giving me the dialog option to bring her along with me. Anyone have an idea? Tour86rocker 09:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Update, she follows me, but starts fights with Casdin/Outcasts that doesn't cause them to attack me. Tour86rocker 09:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Equipment Effect Stacking Exploit
''EDIT: I wrote up a description on how to use this exploit on the Fallout 3 followers article. Hopefully it's clear. Dcruze 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)''

Questions and some small notes
Why is her preferred and default weapon the Super Sledge? Her melee weapons skill is very low. It really doesn't make much sense. Also, is there any way to switch companions when you have use the glitch (the one that works with the latest update) to make her join you? For example, is it possible to have Charon, Fawkes and Dogmeat as companions? Oh, and am I the only one who wishes you could remove default equipment? Cross in particular becomes an a lot less attractive companion since her heavy power armor will always take up a lot of weight, even if you just want to change her (rather ugly, honestly) brotherhood power armor into a different version of power armor.--Mehbah 17:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Butch is the only one that you can take default weapons and armour from (un-patched 360, haven`t tried since) - Teh Krush 05:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently (and I can comfirm this on PS3) she wears Winterized Combat Armor over her default power armor, but it will always count against her carrying capacity. 68.192.9.90 02:38, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Army
Hehe, i got both sets of T-51b and gave her the winter one, and Vengeance, then gave Charon the regular T-51b and Eugene, and equipped myself with Colonel A`s uniform and his laser pistol, the result was fun. Running around with the two best human followers equipped with best power armour is real fun. Looked like a lil squad of US soldiers. - Teh Krush 05:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You should give them two pairs of fully repaired Enclave Hellfire Armor and Charon the Precision Gatling Laser instead of Eugene to make them both look more alike, like personal bodygaurds should. Kalalokki 19:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats what i have done... but my army is far more spectacular... i got every companion (save butch, everytime i go to rivet city, my game freezes, fast travel or even walking, anyone know how to get past this point where it freezes would be appreciated) anyways, and charon, clover and jericho all have hellfire armor. I am still using the winter armor from operation anchorage, but i plan to switch over soon. Its fun ripping through the wasteland (i beat the game the right way first). Even on very hard, i ripped through the enclave mobile crawler like it was nothing, and hardly ever fired a shot.--207.255.125.246 19:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I Have her and Fawkes, now fawkes alone is a one man army and i've personally see him take on 3 deathclaws and only lose 2 health but the two of them with me and Dogmeats puppy are practically unstoppable. (Maverick21 00:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC))
 * Old ... but Charon isn't a Human follower Zachariah Zuan 18:56, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
I tried to organize them a bit and added some. Feel free to change it around if you've got a better organization or know the specifics of what causes her to say them. The latter is pretty vague for all followers, not surprisingly.

Wankem
Shouldn't this be Flank'em??? --84.82.190.130 17:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC) Appeared in subs as Flank'Em! (PC) --84.82.190.130 18:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone confirm she changes race?
Can anyone confirm that she can be caucasian with blonde hair, all the playthorughs for me she's black though Ive only played as a single race thorughout. I doubt she can change race but it would be interesting to know if she could.
 * Maybe people are mistaking her for Sentinel Lyons. 94.3.180.219 15:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Cross is bugged for me.
Whenever I initiate combat and Cross is with me, she'll stay in the back with her arms in a position that one would have when they are holding a missile launcher or a Fat Man. Problem is, she doesn't have either one. She just stays in that position with her imaginary missile launcher the whole fight. Then, when the fight is over, she switches to the Flamer that I gave her. Any suggestions to fixing this?

Location
I haven't done Broken Steel yet, but where is she when you do the thing to the citadel?

Star Cross Stands Still...
Hi, on the 360 version - with all available downloads - I picked up Star Cross at start of the Broken Steel quest and we trekked off happily to the Grisly Diner, on our way to the Old Olney. I asked her to wait as I knew there were mines and while I have the Light Step PERK I've had problems with other companions setting off traps before. After a short scrap with raiders and a bit of collecting goodies I couldn't get her to move again! I've tried every combination of the speech choices but gave up in the end and there she stands... I had to reclaim all the stuff I'd loaded her up with and continue on my own.


 * I've been having a similar problem with her. The solution i got was to fire her, wait for her to return to the Citadel and rehire her. kinda tedious, but it's the only way i know of. -PoopskinTheLiar, who is STILL having problems logging in


 * Same thing happened to me when i had my team (her fakwes and the Pup) wait outside tenpenny tower so i could finish killing the security guards with out them slaying residents like they did to the general store girl. and now she wont move, which i suppose is fine cause she kinda bugged me, i didnt need her with fawkes, she'll go back to the citadel eventually and since all its security guards have had their heads blown off the place could use some defense, especially after i discovered i can get the suite there and my megaton place. man today is just full of useful glitches.(Maverick21 07:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC))

Keeper of the ARM???
what the heck is the ARM?? does anyone have any clue? Not that it matters, but I'm pretty curious.


 * The "ARM" is supposed to be her Super Sledge. It's apparently a relic of western Brotherhood technology, and it was the basis for the Brotherhood's mass-production of other, more inferior Super Sledges. Basically, it's the original Super Sledge. Nitty Tok. 04:50, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Grenades anyone?
Has anyone given her grenades yet? Seen her use 'em in battle? I've seen Sydney use a grenade in battle effectively, and have given some to Charon because of his high Explosives skill and the suggestion to do so on his page, but I can't see here if I should give some to her or not. I'm going to try, but I'd like to hear what other people's experience(s) are with this. Thanks!--Sigan 23:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes she can use grenades, just give them some and she will eventually use them, I don't know about the console version, but it does work on the PC version.

Yes she uses grenades very effectively on the xbox 360.On PS3 she is terrible with grenades often killing herself.If you are bringing sticky to big town her horrible grenade skill will lead to his demise. so there is a massive difference between her skill on the XBOX and PS3.--N&#39;thro Notadee 18:14, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

She is terrible with grenades I was fighting feral ghouls with my shotgun and she picked up a frag threw it crippled my leg (PS3 I have never seen anyone use them well to be honost)Jbsnicket 21:53, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Autoaxe
It says in the article that "she will swing like a hammer instead of using it the correct way". Um, swinging it like a hammer is exactly how you use it in VATS (instead of incinerating their flesh you swing it up and somehow do way more damage then just sawing at their face).Crimmastermind 09:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Lost Cross
I can't find Cross anymore. I had her as a follower, along with Fawkes, Charon, and Dogmeat. I went to my house, and told them all to leave me (You're fired, go to vault 101, we must part ways, etc.). Then I did Vault 87 quest, got the GECK, and moved on. SPC still hasn't returned to the citadel. I'm playing on the 360, any advice?--Sigan 18:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I was going to start the pitt and before entering the tunnrl I told her to wait outside the tunnel when I activated the cart a message appeared saying she had gone back to the citadel. When I finished the pitt she just wasnt at the entrance so I go look for her in the lab and she isnt there. Im really mad because she had my fat man and the t-51b (I use the winterized version). Can anyone help me please??? noodle0007

Well, I'm not sure how to get her back, but in the future it is recommended that you fire followers at the place they return to in order to ensure they make the journey back to their home 68.192.9.90 00:56, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Dropping Over Dead
I never saw anything wierd happen to Cross save for the odd freezing in place until I went to Girdershade one day to complete The Nuka-Cola Challenge. I managed to gather all 30 Quantums beforehand and had Cross hold them. I got them from Cross, took the tour and gave Sierra her Quantums and then I normally exited. I suddenly got a message saying that "Star Paladin Cross has died" even though she was standing. When I said okay to the message she dropped over dead like that. I checked the area and nothing was out of the ordinary as Dogmeat was just standing there panting as usual? Odd glitch or not?--KnightNapier 19:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I gave her seven deathclaw hands and she went off and died on me!I looked around,had Dogmeat sarch an all I found was seven unraided dead Enclave members,three frags lying on the ground,and two o' those damned Talon Co. Members.Then I went back to my house and found Crowley just standing there,hostile.I guess he was trying to raid my house cuz I found my T51-B on his body alongside was two of my stims (He had 13 stims when he left and had 15 when he left my house).S in short I lost the chance to make SEVEN deathclaw gauntles!!ad Day,y'know? HuangLee 22:44, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Cyborg?
I'm hearing things about how she has cybernetic enhancements or something. Wha?

Supposedly, according to the Prima Fallout 3 guide, Cross got pretty shot up at one time (like Murphy from Robocop but not as bad) and was refitted with cybernetic parts to replace the damaged parts. It says that she doesn't eat or sleep so it's possible that the lower chest and head was damaged. She doesn't have any marks on the head but they could've fixed that and you can't take her armor off after she dies (she only drops her holotags) so we may never know...--205.188.116.134 18:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * no follower drops they're base armor... doesn't imply they're all cyborgs Onikage01 16:46, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Vs Charon?
Which in your opinion is better for an unarmed/stealth type build on Very Hard?


 * Well, Charon has Sneak tagged, and Cross is lugging about a heavy suit of Power Armor...


 * Charon. Nitty 01:17, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Blow the hell out of the Citadel
What happens to her? Is she angry with you or something? 68.192.9.90 00:28, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Depends where she is, if shes in the citidel: the obvious. If shes with you: she will likly try and kill you. - RASIC 01:23, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Does this mean that aquiring this crazy awesome gun denies you a follower? A tough choice indeed... 68.192.9.90 22:20, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

I do belive this crazy awesome gun is much better, and why have cross when you can have a Tank instead - RASICTalk 00:11, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

I do love that crazy awesome gun, but I'm still considering blowing the BOS sky high for the other crazy awesome gun. Also, after moving to a different state for a vacation, my IP changed (idky) 98.249.221.165 03:10, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Tesla Cannon or Heavy Incinerator?
Which is she deadlier with? 68.192.9.90 22:40, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Followers tend to not notice the splash damge from the incinerator so tesla cannon (I don't like being set on fire) Jbsnicket 21:58, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

STAR CROSS PALADIN DEAD
So i was walking and out of no where i got attacked by enclave guys they killed her. after i killed them all i went to find her body But it was not there. Does anyone know were she regens or if she regens after she dies?

Cross won't join.
I had Cross before starting The Pitt. Now that it's finished I've gone back to the citadel to get her back in the party. But she's stuck with the dialogue that refuses me on account of having multiple followers. She's the only follower I've had besides Dogmeat, who is now dog meat ); I know it must be a glitch but does anyone have a tip to getting her back? (93.186.23.197 20:18, February 3, 2010 (UTC))

Lost after Broken Steel?
I turned on the Purifier myself, with Dogmeat's Puppy, Charon, Cross, and Fawkes as my followers. When I awoke in the Citadel, Charon, Dogmeat, and Fawkes were waiting for me, but no Cross. I searched all over the Citadel and Jefferson Memorial, but no sign of her anywhere.

Wait Here Bug
The part about her bugged "wait here" function could use a small rewording. You can fire and then immediately rehire her in the same spot to get around it. You don't have to let her get all the way back to the Citadel before rehiring her (thankfully). 97.73.64.155 15:12, April 9, 2010 (UTC)