Forum:Jet

I was just wondering how jet was being synthesised in the capital wasteland.

In Fallout 2 it was extracted from the crap of brahmin which had been fed on a new protein derivative which was created before the war.

Any opinions on the matter? Sheepbiter 10:07, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh god... Not again! Metalfrenchtoast 15:45, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Im not asking how it got to the capital wasteland. Im just asking how they create more of it.... Sheepbiter 11:22, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * They don't. It's an arbitrary placement by Bethesda, without much logic or sense to it. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 12:01, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty Much. Also How does murphys ultrajet work. He says he distills down the ingredients but... jet is a gas not a liquid?!?!?!

The same way people figured out how to synthesize Methamphetamine with rat poison and drain cleaner. Kidnap a chemist and say "MAKE THIS, BITCH!". Metalfrenchtoast 01:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Methamphetamine ain't brahmin gas coming from very specific brahmin. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:38, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, its not, but thats not really the point. I think Metalfrenchtoast (awesome name by the way) is pointing out that there are usually many different ways to make any chemical substance. Ishotamaninnewreno 10:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * But you have to know what it actually is. Only Myron and Mordino aides knew what actually made up Jet and how to mix it in the right proportions. It's similiar to how no one is able to figure out how to forge Coca-Cola or Pepsi, even though everyone knows the ingredients. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 17:02, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I bet it'd be easier to replicate a chemical existent in condensed cow farts (even the special ones) than to replicate a war drug made from an extract of an extract of a plant. All you need is a sample that you can break down into its constituents. The government in the real America is WAY more powerful than the Mordinos or little Myron, and people still manage to make it happen. That's my reasoning behind it. I bet people would be on top of that Coca-Cola/Pepsi business if they were as addictive as Jet. Metalfrenchtoast 17:41, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Coca-Cola and Pepsi are two of the biggest soda manufacturers worldwide and if the formula was crackable, it would've been cracked long ago and Coca-Cola's monopoly broken. And no, a sample is not enough. You still need data on proportions, manufacturing processes, ingredients etc. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 22:27, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

But as I said before, the US government (In reality) is far, far more powerful than any Mordino loser, and people were still able to figure out how to produce Methamphetamine. How to you think little Myron figured out how to make Jet? By accident? It was engineered to some degree (Otherwise why not just smoke Brahmin shit), and could be reverse-engineered by someone just as genius as our growing-mushrooms-in-the-desert-instead-of-cactus Myron. Metalfrenchtoast 04:41, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Methamphetamine is a chemical compound, not a mix of chemicals, so your comparison is invalid. And yes, Myron figured out how to make Jet by accident, when his staff noticed that the slaves were getting high off the fumes in the brahmin vats. Sure, it was later refined, but not by mixing, but by altering the dung composition and mix. You can try analyzing cow farts to get the exact composition of their dung, feel free to do so, but that ain't going to work.
 * I like how you try to discredit Myron's genius. FYI Mordinos grew peyote cacti as source of drugs for sale. However, as Myron points out, peyote doesn't have half the kick of LSD and the trip lasts too long to be a viable commodity. He turned to mushrooms (which were grown thanks to hydroponics and an ample supply of brahmin shit as fertilizer), because other, hardier vegetables could not be grown in the changed climate. The fact that the mushroom endeavour actually worked well enough for his staff to discover Jet is only credit to his genius. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 07:48, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

First off, I'm going to just guess you don't think LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms, or the contents of either, are the same thing... That's a biggy! Next, a chemical compound is, as the dictionary puts it, "A substance formed by chemical union of two or more elements or ingredients in definite proportion by weight". Doesn't that sound like a combination of chemicals? Furthermore, Wikipedia, citing a basic chemisty textbook, states that "A chemical compound is a pure chemical substance consisting of two or more different chemical elements that can be separated into simpler substances by chemical reactions." At any rate, the freakin' Jet page states, "Jet is a powerful methamphetamine that stimulates the central nervous system." I'm guessing they're pretty similar. As far as discrediting Myron's "genius", I'll start a new topic for that. Metalfrenchtoast 06:21, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once you figure out a way to break down brahmin gas into base chemical compounds, then find an ample supply of both, a large batch of subjects for testing various proportions of the development chemicals as you try to figure out the exact recipe and replicate Jet's unique properties of permanent addiction that cannot be broken easily, all in a post-apocalyptic setting, call me. The fact that Dr Troy in Vault City, which has cutting edge medical technology, could not create an antidote for Jet without your or Myron's input is testament to just how hard it is to analyze Jet and do anything with it. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:20, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't care how they make it, I just like to get high. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/5/58/User_AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke%3F_Game_image_4028.gif - Nuke Eater Blab 06:24, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

A question: how do you need more than a sample ? If you run Jet through a mass spectrometer it will tell you exactly what is in said Jet and how much of each substance there is. Also the reason Coca-Cola/Pepsi's monopoly hasn't been broken yet is that they own the right to make all of the sodas they produce it's illegal to make them without permission. And even if you were allowed to make it how hard are you going to try and how much money are you willing to spend for something that costs a couple of bucks at the convienience store ?
 * It's still the end product. Breaking down anything doesn't tell you how the manufacturing process goes or what ingredients are needed. Plus, find me a functional mass spectrometer in post-nuclear America. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:20, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I Think it was magic! no no! The enclave brought it over! No no! It's a plot made by the new supermaster (who is also a magic ninja!).

Really... It should matter not. What else could they have used for a chem that raises APs? After Burner Gum I suppose would be the next best choice or something new altogether. But nope they picked jet. Probably they thought it would be recongisable to old fans but they didn't quite predict a few lore heads going batshit over it.

"liek OMG da morrdeenoz kept it reel secret an da maker diedes it shudnt be on da eest coahst!"

Azzaman 13:37, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a simple matter of consistency and attention to the lore. Bethesda chose time and again to disregard lore, logic and disrespect the Fallout canon. Apparently, you don't care either, so stop trolling. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 16:11, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Im Sorry you can't enjoy FO3 becasue JET IZ ON DA FOOKIN EEST COHST! Deel braker slap in deh fase ect. ect. JET CAHNT Bee on DA EEST COAHST LIKE SHUGA ON FRENCH TOAST! Naa can't be that simple you put on the air of an intelegent person so i'll assume you are. I take it your reasons for not likeing the game are a bit more numreous and indepth then just Jet in D.C. no one would be that picky and retarded. If it was just becasue of Jet I say that's a petty petty reason to hate something but different strokes for different folks. Hate all you want.Azzaman 09:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't even dignify this post with an answer. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 19:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

You're right about the process and full ingredients, as for finding a mass spectrometer it might be possible that there was someone able to salvage parts from several that were broken and get a functional one, plus I can see where it might be a good thing to have in a vault, however that causes problems like breaking in to a vault, which is almost certainly hard. Of course there are other consistency problems like why was it in the locked supply/medical room of vault 112 when Jet was invented after the war.