Talk:Arroyo

One of the Followers in New Vegas says she comes from Arroyo. I haven't caught any other references to it yet, nor is it clear if Arroyo became part of the NCR.--OvaltinePatrol 22:36, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it's Emily Ortal, she needs your help to spy on Mr. House, we know it became a big city but there not mention Arroyo became part of the NCR. Itachou [~talk~] 23:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Game over if attacking anyone?
I've heard that if player kills/attacks someone or in any other way makes the people of Arroyo being hostile towards him, and then we will wait to the midnight, then we will receive a game over with Hakunin's skull saying that the village has died, and we died too. Is that true? - ZuTheSkunk 02:11, November 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, anybody home? - ZuTheSkunk 17:51, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

New vegas era
it's stated that is now a big city so...maybe some DLC will show it to us :D, aslo what happened to the vault dweller? 120 years have happened so he must be a skeleton... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.167.57.33 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

Itachou edit
There is an edit which is...problematic, specifically this one. I don't want to get into a revert war, so I'll discuss here before making any changes. In short, there is not a single aspect of this edit that I do not have a problem with, but I hope we can discuss it and come to an agreement. --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 19:11, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Firstly, the dates. The dash is not useless, "Chosen One (2242—?)" tells us that the Chosen One was elder from 2242 to an unknown future date, whereas "Chosen One (2242)" simply tells us that the Chosen One was elder in 2242. Similarly, "Arroyan villagers (2167—)" tells us that the Arroyan villagers were a faction in Arroyo from 2167 onwards, whereas "Arroyan villagers (2167)" just tells us that the Arroyan villagers were a faction in Arroyo in 2167. Worst of all is changing "New California Republic (?—present)" to "New California Republic (2281)", as the former tells us that the NCR has been a faction of Arroyo from an unknown date to the present, and that 2281 was considered the present at the time of writing, whereas the latter tells us only that the NCR was a faction in Arroyo in 2281.
 * 2) Secondly, the opening section is more loquacious than suggested in VA:LAYL, as well as inaccurate (Oregon ceased to be a state in the Fallout universe).
 * 3) Finally, the image. I am not sure how I can put this in simpler terms: this is a map, so it should go in the map field of the infobox. This is the most "recent" image of Arroyo, and incidentally the best image we have. Therefore it should go in the image field of the infobox. You opposed this by saying that the map should go in the image field because that is consistent with other FO1 and FO2 pages. However, this is a precedent which has never been discussed, and does not actually apply to all other pages; one long-standing example I can think of is Shady Sands (which I am sure you will go and change now you are aware of it). If we were supposed to use the map as the main infobox image, there wouldn't be a point in having the map field in the infobox at all. I see no advantage to using a long-outdated (in-universe) map image rather than a more recent image of the settlement, as the most prominent image on the page.


 * "Present" is ambiguous, especially if e.g. a future game is released where the NCR is no more. There should be no "present", just "2281" (the last known date).


 * As for the image, it should be one of Arroyo as a tribal village, since that is how it appears in game, and Arroyo as of Fallout 2 is what readers will expect first and foremost. The most recent picture is not necessarily what should always be the main picture, but in this case it is a more notable depiction of Arroyo. Ausir(talk) 19:26, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Agree, present is variable and if we do it in this way, we should change countless pages each times. Nothing to say more for the image.

The guideline for the opening section didn't have a precise size, and I find this of Arroyo relatively short and well written. Also, in the Fallout universe, all people talk by old pre-war states (California, Utah etc.) and I also think it's nice for a reader to know "what state the city is" (otherwise without that, I don't even know that New Reno was already in Nevada - same as New Vegas, the kind of detail that some people appreciate). Itachou [~talk~] 19:44, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, exactly. If a future game is released, then the reader will know that 2281 was considered the present at the last known mention of Arroyo, so that the town of Arroyo was part of NCR until at least that point. Just leaving it as "2281" doesn't tell us much at all...was Arroyo made part of NCR in 2281? Was 2281 the last known point when Arroyo was part of NCR? Readability should be our number one priority. Itachou: the point is that the present is variable, and we will have to change every page whenever its story is "updated" by a future game regardless. If Arroyo is not mentioned in a future game, then "present" can be left as 2281; I know of no better ways of indicating that "Arroyo was part of NCR until at least 2281, possibly further but it is unknown" in such a concise manner.
 * As for the image, I would still argue that as the page is generally written from the point of view of someone in 2281 (background is all in past tense, etc.) that the image used should be the most "recent" one. Regardless, the current image is inappropriate because it isn't even of the village - it's a map. This is acceptable by the standards you have outlined above, but a map? There is a map field in the infobox for precisely this use, so why is it not being utilized as it is on the Shady Sands or Vault 15 page? --Lugiatm (talk · contribs) 00:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

FO3: W. Brandice of Grayditch says he came from Arroyo
W. Brandice, an NPC found dead in Fallout 3 in the tunnels under Grayditch, mentions on his computer terminal that he moved to Grayditch from Arroyo. FO3 is set on the opposite side of the U.S. from Arroyo's location in FO2, but it may very well be the same town. We might want to mention this in the Appearances section. 129.82.96.37 08:00, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * For future reference, the anonymous user putting forth the question was confusing Navarro with Arroyo. GarouxBloodline 19:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)