Forum:Who would win capital wasteland bos or west coast

I believe that the east coast Would pwn the West for several reasons 1: advanced power armor ( going by REAL canon stating that it was vastly superior to t51b) and the ability to mass produce it 2: the ability to reproduce plasma weapons 3: ability to reproduce Vertibirds for air support 4: liberty prime (once rebuilt) 5: control over general populace by distibution of fresh water( or lack thereof) *raise troops* 6: tesla cannons 7: possibly orbital missle capabilities( if fixed) 8: control over death claws SUPERSTUDS 03:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)SUPERSTUDS

Liberty Prime. Orbital Missles. Pet Deathclaws. Yeah I think that your right. Yum brahmin 14:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Numbers 1 through 4 as well as 7 and 8? WTF.
 * They aren't reproducing SHIT. They're just taking it off the bodies of Enclave troopers, not making more. 7 is impossible, the warhead salvos are depleted. 8 is unlikely, they just have control over Deathclaws that the Enclave have already TRAINED. It's not just a headset that you slap on a deathclaw, there's a long indoctrination procedure.
 * So, West coast. Pulse weapons and better power armor. Nitty Tok. 14:46, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I read, west coast. These are a bunch of wastelanders in power armor, not much else. Nukey (talk) User blog:AreYouGoingToEatThatNuke? 15:19, July 27, 2010 (UTC) The enclave did not have the plasma weapons in F2 so they had to be made at some time between. They would HAVE to have been MASS produced for the enclave seeing as how 2/3 of the enclave had plasma rifles, the enclave also HAD to have been capable of mass producing ADVANCED POWER ARMOR which not all had in F2. Every BOS soldier in the capital wastes has power armor while not everyone in the west does (brotherhood combat armor remember). The enclave used brain control transmitters to control death claws and in broken steel Scribe Jameson had cracked it. What would stop them from using it to control more for combat purposes?Assuming that the enclave has been completely defeated, they would have better communications because they proboblyhave control over posiedoNet now. The west coast with all it's power armor and pulse weapons could not beat the enclave if it tried, but the east coast did (with the lone wanderer of course).the west coast can't even beat the ncr even with their power armor and training according to the van buren and new Vegas leaks. If they can't beat a larger faction WITHOUT POWER ARMOR how ads they gonna beat a larger faction with BETTER POWER ARMOR and BETTER WEAPONS?72.155.158.58 19:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)SUPERSTUDS
 * You're right that the Enclave didn't have the plasma weapons. They had Gauss and pulse weapons instead, which were better. With the fall of Navarro, all of that cool stuff went straight to the West Brotherhood. The West Brotherhood has much better armor and weapons than the East one. And as for "If they can't beat a larger faction without power armor", the East Brotherhood was never able to defeat the drooling idiot super mutants in DC. Nitty Tok. 19:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Bos aren't a "bunch of wastelanders in power armor" they are the third-closest thing to pure-strain humans behind Vaulties and the Enclave brass. Plus who cares how they got the Deathclaws, they still have them. They do gather the T51b and plasma weaopons, but do make them in extreme limatation, not mass production, that's thier goal. For #7 if they can make plasma weapons they should be able to make warheads. The actual canon does state that it would be superior to T51b armor, like the Prototype Medic Armor. Not the actual armor just that much superior, win some lose some. Yum brahmin 16:16, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are so a bunch of wastelanders in powered armor. East Brotherhood initiates are recruits from the wastes with little to no combat experience. In addition, how're they going to get the warheads into space? With Bloomfield's rockets? Those belong to the West Brotherhood. Nitty Tok. 16:18, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

NAVARRO NEVER FELL!"It's unlikely that the Brotherhood of Steel seized it after the events in Fallout 2, because they didn't have a strong military presence up North at the end of this game. They would have been interested in taking it, however - although they would have suffered serious casualties" <-- the navarro page says this. at navarrro they had better weapons (in limited #s but the main enclave base was blown up AND sank to THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN! raven rock Could be excavated( maybe). neither was the west when fighting off the super mutant army to the west( although those mutants were smarter) in tactics the MIDWEST just kills the leader and the vault dweller just kills the MASTER. the east coast Mutants have NO SUCH LEADER so there is no way a "cut off the head of the snake" type tactic could work there. also now that east coast knows where the mutants are coming from (vault 87) they could go into the vault and collapse it so that the mutants could not reproduce so in the end the mutants could then be exterminated. it is not by lack of tactics or equipment that prevented the east coast from destroying the supermutants, but a lack of knowlege, but now with that knolege there is nothing stopping the CW BoS from exterinating the super mutant threat.
 * Navarro did so fall. There was no way an isolated refueling depot could stay operational. The West BoS also drove off the waves of mutant attacks if the mutant storyline won; they only lost the war because of a traitor. The East BoS have been in the Capital for 19 years. There's no way they couldn't have completely obliterated the mutant forces in 19 years unless they had subpar equipment, soldiers, and leadership, which they did. Nitty Tok. 23:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

@ Bramin i was stating that in F2 enclave power armor MKII ( which is what they have in F3 according to Rothchild.)was superior to t51b. it is also possible that the t51b found in fallout 3 are in the case of the one in the fort an early prototype; and in the case of the winterized it was in pristine condition and had not been tampered with in 200 years and this was why it was superior. the west coast armor has probobly been degraded to some extent beyond the repair capabilities of the brotherhood

its also quite possible that bethesda just raped the history of power armor in f3 too :)72.155.158.58 21:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)SUPERSTUDS 17:21 July 27, 2010
 * Yes. Nitty Tok. 23:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)



With the enclave destoyed the brotherhood takes control of ALL enclave facillities they take/discover. Eventually the brotherhood would find where the enclave mass produced their war machine (plasma weapons, power armor, vertibirds, photon resonnance feilds,artillery and what not) from there. who's stopping them from improving on the old designs and mass producing those items.this, liberty prime ,tesla cannons, and sheer numbersshould mean they win in an extended conflictSUPERSTUDS 22:55, July 27, 2010 (UTC)SUPERSTUDS 17:54
 * And so would the West BoS. However, the West BoS would get decent APA, Gauss weapons, and pulse weapons, while the East got crappy APA, and plasma and laser weapons. Nitty Tok. 23:04, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * i think nitty has a point, but is any one thinking of number of people on the west and east. befor the war with ncr the west had more people, thay may still have more even with the war and all. MrDot01 23:23, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Number of people is irrelevant in this case; the East BoS does outnumber the West, but the West actually trains their people. Nitty Tok. 23:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Number of people is irrelevant in this case; the East BoS does outnumber the West, but the West actually trains their people. Nitty Tok. 23:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

really i was thinking the west out numbered the east, and the east dose train there people MrDot01 02:56, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

i think that the east coast BOS would win over the west coast because the west coast Bos couldnt crush the NCR even when they JUST started that shows that they would lose and the west coast is very unpopular because they kill people when they try and get the tech they want (their original plan was to collect old/new tech) so their wouldnt be people signing up by the dozens also the west coasts armor would be worse because of how long they have been at war with NCR and because of how long they have existed also the east coast BOS would gain control over the much more advanced technology of the enclave so my bets on the east coast ( i'm also a little bit biased because i live on the east coast. go steelers!) Peters 007 21:10, August 2, 2010 (UTC

im going with the west coast BOS (i live on the east coast and i fucking hate it, PA really sucks dude) and the west coast BOS have stronger fighters because thay train them MrDot01 22:21, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

The West coast would win hands down. All of the power armor they have is the T-51b type, which im pretty sure is supposed to "make the operator able to take on a city and come out without a scratch." Game Over. Hitman (radio) 22:56, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

by the way mrdot have you ever played fallout 3 in the citadel all around are people training and being trained so the east coast bos are trained and you have to understand how small of a impact the west coast BOS have their numbers are also less still because of the war and the public doesnt like them on the other hand the east coast BOS have public support, enclave tech, (assuming you are thinking of them at the end of the game) and they arent waging a war against a much more powerful army (im reffering to the NCR the west coast has to fight the NCR) all they fight aresuper mutants and if you think about what happens outside GNR they fight however many mutants in the school than 5 more in the courtyard then a behemoth and sustain only a handful of casualties where as when the west coast go to war with NCR they get beat 99% of the time and east coast BOS has better tech and armor because they have to fight less and they still have more people ( and plus Pennsylvania does not suck Best deer best football team how many rings do you have thats right less). Peters 007 15:48, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * TL;DR.
 * The east coast does "train" their people, but if you look at any initiate that appears in direct combat, you can see that they fail in a miserable fashion. Pek does not know what the slide on a gun does despite being cleared and ready for combat, Reddin is overconfident and dies for it. Nitty Tok. 16:25, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

yes i played fallout 3 and i loved it, im just saying the west has beter fighters (did you ever play one or two). the west BoS did not lose 99% of the time, hell if you read about it a lot of NCR people were geting pissed because to every 1 BoS knight thay took down thay lost like 12. I dont think public suport has anything to do with this. (if you would stop and think you proble would have seen that i live in PA thats why i said it sucked, and who gives a f^&$ about football it dont mean the state is grate if the teams good.)MrDot01 16:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

now yes maybe they did lose a lot of guys fighting the west BOS but the West BOS has pretty much no influence where they are at this point and if you look into new vegas a little bit you barely meet them in game the NCR is more powerful then them and they dont have power armor or pulse weapons ( pulse weapons maybe but not power armor) so that means that they cant beat the NCR so if they went to war with the east coast BOS they would have 3 fronts the NCR the remenants of the Enclave and The east coast BOS and also initiates are not really troops they are troops but in my opinion most of the BOS in the east that you meet are paladins or Knights so i dont count initiates as troops their pretty much in "boot camp" but their boot camp is on the field so i dont really count them as troops PS. mrdot you might want to look into a dictionary your spelling is terrible. Peters 007 16:52, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

NCR out number them. Ps. take a typeing class or some shit like that, im a bad typer too but hell man MrDot01 17:02, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

East Coast: Fair amount of power armor troops, can fix liberty prime, has a shite-load of enclave armor and weopons. Also could get an army of wastelanders from rivet city and megaton in exchange for water. Pet deathclaws. Could adapt it to radroaches and put grenades on them and send them in kamikaze. Amatuer troops, but lots of them.

West Coast: Badass troops, but not as many. Being squished in by the NCR. So what the west BoS have a 12:1 k/d ratio on them. I bet you the NCR have about 15 times the troops just devoted to the BoS, they're tactical and know they can win. Also NCR wiped thier asses with the BoS at early Hoover Dam, even though the NCR was low on ammo and stims and food.

So, I still think that the East Coast BoS would win, even if it's just because of the NCR. With no disrespect to the west coast fans, Yum brahmin 03:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't have put it better Mr. Peters 17:04, August 10, 2010 (UTC)