User talk:Modrzej

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What do you know, filtration through dirt DOES remove radiation from water! http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 23:37, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * My point is that even the most basic of filters can handle basic water filtration and I find it impropable that in two centuries no one has figured out how to filtrate water by evaporation or active filters. Hell, I can't even understand why the Potomac is so horribly polluted, if it's a river and in two centuries most of the pollution would be flushed into the ocean (not taking into account the general stupidity of placing a purifier at the end of a river, rather than its source). http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:52, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * And my point was that there's soluble part of radioactive pollution, which cannot be filtered in simple way. As you said, "basic of filters can handle basic water filtration", basic means not complete. If those chemical species that are not filtered give compounds that might me accumulated in living organisms, then drinking such a water will be progressively worsening one's health. In Fallout 3, animals' meat is radioactive, so there's assumption that such accumulative compounds exist (however, this effect is exaggerated). Let's name it accumulation in foodchain. It's similar stuff to DDT: DDT. "not taking into account the general stupidity of placing a purifier at the end of a river, rather than its source" - placing purifier at the source of a river would be pointless because water there is relatively clean. Waste is disposed in the middle of a river or it permeates through soil, so the further you go, the dirtier water you get. The placement of water purifier in F3 might be dictated by existing infractructure treating municipal waste. Modrzej 11:10, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the effect is exaggerated. EVERYONE outside the Enclave, Brotherhood, Vault dwellers and Vault City is irradiated. From animals through food to humans, everything has a radiation count, so if anything, slightly radiated water and food aren't going to harm a human who already has some kind of radiation tolerance developed.
 * Your assumption doesn't make sense, though - the Capital Wasteland, after 200 years with accumulating radiation, wouldn't have any kind of life, as humans and animals would've long died out due to radiation sickness.
 * Last, do you honestly think that the Jefferson's Memorial is currently a waste treatment plant? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 12:43, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's always certain level of crap I can tolerate. Let's take radiation sickness in F1. In the Glow, if not stuffing myself with RadX, I'd pass away at once. It's pure bullshit because even when exposed to extremely large dose of 50 sieverts I could probably act as healthy for at least a week, please read about walking ghost phase. Still, such a detail doesn't play large role in the overall experience. Of course, we could increase realism to an absurd degree I perceive exaggerated effect of radioactivity in F3 in the same way. For me, it just fits there. Your argument about extinct life due to radiation poisoning is flawed. Radiation may affect lifespan and fertility, so there's rather a extremely poor quality of life what bothers DC denizens. I don't think that there's waste treatment plant in Jefferson's Memorial. Could you provide citation confirming that the aim of Project Purity is cleaning the whole Potomac?
 * Generally, the effects of the radiation in the Glow kick in after a while and death is not instantenous, until you spend really a lot of time there, enough to literally fry you. Radiation in the Capital Wasteland doesn't fit, since it's ever present in totally arbitrarily locations and in a way that doesn't make sense. As I said, if radiation really accumulated, then CW would have no life at all, since everything edible would be horridly irradiated and kill you on the spot.
 * Also, I find it funny that you say "waste treatment plant in Jefferson's Memorial", immediately followed by "Project Purity". Project Purity is a waste treatment plant. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 15:54, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Effects of irradiation in the Glow kick off so early that I cannot play chess with Zax. In Capital Wasteland there seem to be many places contaminated by illegal radioactive waste disposal. Accumulation of radioactive species doesn't mean death of biosphere. It can accumulate waste up to a point of equlibrium. It's rather an educated guess on my side, but in my opinion the whole thing isn't stupid.Modrzej 21:18, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Would you be willing to drink a glass to prove this theory?Norman0025 09:57, February 8, 2010 (UTC)Norman0025

Sure. 12:43, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't push him, Norman, he'll do it :P Ishotamaninnewreno 13:10, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

If it containted radioactive iodine, you would voluntarily increase chance of the thyroid cancer (iodine permeates through sand). I advise to follow your intuition rather than to believe in science you not fully understand.Modrzej 22:58, February 8, 2010 (UTC)