Forum:Is the NCR good or bad?

Neither. Morality in the Fallout Series is extremely confusing, just like in real life. However, the NCR is (at least in New Vegas) the rough equivalent of the US circa mid 1800's. Rail transportation, established agriculture and industry, and, most importantly, a representative form of government. Yes, they are corrupt, but so was the US from the Industrial Revolution to the start of the Great Depression (I'm not going to open the can of worms that is modern American politics) Does corruption, graft, and "good old boy" politics make a nation bad? No, its part of a growing democratic republic.--NCRandproud123 23:32, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with you to a certain extent on this, but unlike America in the 1800's this is a state that cannot seem to keep it's own roads clear, much less fight a full scale war successfully, frankly the beuracracy and incompetence in the NCR is doing more harm than their good intentions good, until they can control it the NCR is more neutral than good. ---bleep196- 23:58, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

The NCR are very self minded; in most cases they run over small communities and place their control over who they can (Primm, Goodsprings). bleep is right in the sense they are clearly stretched too thin. In the simplest form, the NCR have two real mindsets - control a weaker group and fight (with either force or stealth/stab-in-the-back as seen with House and the Brotherhood) any stronger one.

America couldn't keep it's own roads open in the 1800s. Most of the major roads in that time were still being built, there was indian guerilla warfare to worry about,european interference on the continent, competition from mexico, race riots and the constant (and very real) fear of rebellion by poor blacks, poor whites,radical populist movements,socialists, and anarchists. From the very founding of the country, the government has been struggling to keep things "under control". The NCR (like the us) is building an empire, they absorb smaller and weaker territories into their country through by encouraging settlement in foreign territories and using military force. Even though times are pretty good in the NCR there's always a note of discord in many NCR citizens; many are unable to reconcile the imperialist policies with the idea of democracy and many are resentful of being forced to move into new territories because the brahma barons control all the good land. That discord isn't so different from what the united states was going through in the 1800s and early twentieth century. Hell, there was a strike in colorado in 1914 that nearly led to all-out war between the us gov and all the miners in the state.Brutal times.

The NCR has done some pretty terrible things,but I'd say their probably much less brutal and corrupt than the us was. I'm not an NCR groupie, but in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland- you could do a lot worse.

It would be interesting to see a movement of socialists,anarchists, and radical populists in the NCR (after all it is still california) taking root in the NCR. It seems like the NCR is undergoing an industrial revolution of it's own, so the resurgence of those kind of movements seems pretty logical. It tickles me to think about what post-apocalyptic socialism would be like in a world that was destroyed by capitalism and communism. Then add an irradiated proletariat in for good measure.

--Boredintheusa 09:03, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well to be a nitpicker, the U.S.S.R. and China were both socialist rather than communist. Socialism comes between capitalism and "utopian communism". --GaussRifle 18:33, November 12, 2011 (UTC)