Forum:Brotherhood Ideaology

I see so many people not only in the wasteland but also in this very forum who think the brotherhood is just a bunch of bullies who take tech from people. But there is a much bigger reason than just hoarding tech. What do you think would have happend if Liberty Prime was found by some gearhead pshyco shooting wacko. He gets it up and running. In new vegas you would hear that DC was turned into a crater by a gaint nuke throwing robot. The brotherhood is stopping untrained, unfit people from using technology that can potentially cause harm to so many people. How about this: some guy finds a plasma rifle and suit of power armor. By some miracle he manages to get the power armor to work and figures out how to use the plasma rifle. Goes waltzing into a town wearing his armor and holding his wepon, takes some buffout and wipes out a hole town. The townspeople have 10mm pistols that can't even scrap that armor, and they all end up piles of goo on the floor. The hoarding of that tech has most likely saved more people than the followers. Do you want one person to die, or do you want 30 to die? Weapons of that kind of power should not be allowed for use by untrained, unqualified people who will just get greedy and kill off thier town. Now the brotherhood is not flawless however. People who acually want to use those wepons (exepting specail circumstances of capital wasteland) can't get in because of the crap they use to stop them. They have also probally lost more valuble members who could have cotributed way more than some of the elders do to that seclusion, and that will eventually end them. But there mission is not a bad one, it has saved many. If they would end some of thier seclusion and begin to help other people, they would literally be stronger than the NCR, even maybe having took over it. Please post you commets to this, i bet it would take 3 days for this thing to be longer than the Iphones privacy policy. (sorry about not signing it, and i am naturally inliterate :) Zion115 22:48, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Please sign your posts next time (use four ~'s) and maybe format your sentences a bit better. Its sorta hard to read

Remember that the DC based brotherhood of steel have different Ideals to the main brotherhood of steel. The brotherhood outcasts are a better representation of the brotherhood in Fallout 3, and New Vegas had them spot on.

The thing is, the Brotherhood of Steel take ALL tech of EVERYBODY by force. Remember how if you were wearing outcast power-armour while talking to Casdin he would take it off of you. The brotherhood takes everything off of everyone, whether it benefits them or not.

Another big part of their Problem is sure, they are "Saving the world by taking technology that they can't handle from them" (thats close to their words, not a poke at you) but they are doing very little else to help anyone but themselves. They'd rather stay in their big ol' safe bunker of theirs than help people in need of food and living.

Basically, the Brotherhood dont care, and thats what people do not realise thanks to Fallout 3's "Glorious saviour BoS" 5t3v0 00:24, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you hit it right on the head. They don't care about the people outside of thier group, but yet in thier strange disregard for common wastelanders they might have helped them a lot more than they hurt them. Oh and 3rd person to reply remember they are not perfect, they can step to far. You were not part of the outcasts little club out in DC. They thought you were some stupid wastland idoit who stubled into thier base wearing some armor. And most are. They are not perfect, and they are a little bit terrible about helping people. In new vegas like veronica says if they would be more like the followers in helping people and sharing tech, they would be even stronger than the NCR. They are not perfect, but yet they still are a worthy cause to protect people form that tech, even if they don't no it. Zion115 22:56, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, those 5 paragraphs were all done by me btw. I find it easier to read, but it does make it a little confusing when posts are unsigned (not meant to be a poke at you Zion btw... sorry if it seems that way) 5t3v0 08:56, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

i think the brotherhood has the right idea finder's keepers though if you found it first we will take it by force. the east coast protects the people of the wasteland there are only so many. and they still can fight a full fledged war with the enclave. while the west coast are hidden out in some bunker with a few scout teams here and there getting totaly destroyed by the ncr. with all the tech they steal the better to kick enclave but with. and the reason casdin takes the armor is because he doesenht trust you he thinks your some wastelander who killed some outcasts and took their armor.--75.223.235.19 21:05, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

If he thinks you killed an outcast, why would he just take it rather than executing you for crimes? I still do think that bethesda screwed up power armour balance for everyone thanks to the abundant BoS. And why is T-51 such a rarity in Fallout 3 when it was the only Power Armour for the BoS in the first two games? why must I ask so many questions that I know the answer to? (ala, Bethesda did not do as much research as proper Fallout Fans) 5t3v0 01:49, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

because you can trade him powerful tech that he will use.--75.223.27.8 02:00, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I dont think it works like that... Sure, you can get tech for him... but so can the dozen or so that are supposedly armed better than you that are under his command... I think its just a shoe-in so that people don't go and kill them off quickly by bethesda 5t3v0 08:29, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't always take what a character says at face value. Consider alternate motives for him taking it. Remember that, in the original Brotherhood, only qualified members were allowed to wear power armor. Initiates had to wear vanilla combat armor. Casdin probably wouldn't consider a wastelander worthy of wearing power armor, and "You could have killed an Outcast" is just his way of justifying this. He probably doesn't actually think that you killed an Outcast for their armor; after all, it wouldn't be hard for a wastelander to just happen to come across a dead Outcast in a landscape dotted with deathclaws, sentry bots, and super mutants.


 * As for why T-51b armor is so rare in the Capital Wasteland, I've got a slightly longer theory for that. It's stated in FO1 that the Brotherhood cannot manufacture new suits of power armor, only maintain the old ones. Hence, they have a finite supply of armor (partly explaining their motivation for not expanding). Because of this, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to equip a detachment of soldiers making a trip as long and as dangerous as the Capital Wasteland excursion with too many of their precious few T-51b suits, instead opting for the less valuable T-45d armor. This is reinforced by Ashur's power armor in the Pitt, which is clearly a modified suit of T-45d armor, and is said to have been worn by Ashur when he was a member of the Brotherhood making his way through the Pitt on the way to the Capital Wasteland. If any of the members of the original detachment were wearing T-51b armor (which I think is unlikely, given that it would be much easier from a logistical standpoint to maintain one type of armor) they probably would have quit when they found out that the Pentagon was much better equipped to support the T-45d than the T-51b. Hal10k(Leonard Bernstein!) 20:25, April 27, 2011 (UTC)