Talk:9mm pistol (Fallout: New Vegas)/Archive 1

Resemblances
both the 1911 and the FN Hi-power were designed by John Browning. despite a few similarities to the 1911, the Hi-power had to be designed from scratch as to not infringe upon the 1911 patents Browning had sold to Colt a few years earlier. trying to identify this as any one variant would be difficult due to similarities and artist interpretation, but it is beyond a shadow of a doubt a Hi-power of some sort.

Looks like a Browning Hi-Power to me.

It looks like a P220, Hi-Power, or a Mix of both. Mmm, Crispy... 20:52, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, 10mm was standard in FO 3. Why would Bethesda change it to 9mm now? Awfully strange. XXHunterKillerXx 19:23, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Beth may not have changed it. Obsidian could be making that change, - Zac


 * 9mm was the standard caliber for weapons in Van Buren as well. Bethesda has no bearing over what Obsidian does with the nitty-gritty, as long as money is made somewhere. (Unlike with V13 and Interplay. :P) 216.56.36.82 17:43, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

It's a Colt M1911 Pistol! Another reason to get Fallout New Vegas on release day :D
 * Uh, no, it's a Browning HP. If you want to be enthusiastic, then get your facts in order. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 01:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

wow really guys this is obviously a knock-off of a 1911--ONI assassin 97 20:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 1911's a .45 caliber pistol. This is a HiPower derivative. Nitty Tok. 20:51, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

There a number of reasons why this can't be the colt 1911. A lot of people who play call of duty and other console shooters should really stop posting bullshit descriptions for the weapons on this site just because they have no notion of what other guns look like and the only guns that they have any information on are those CoD guns. Least you guys could TRY to do is spend a few seconds on google images or wikipedia, or other sites... And just while on the subject, who's the asshole who posted the Anti-Material Rifle's description as the Intervention as soon as he/she saw the first images of it? Just trying to make a point... Deus Gladiorum 22:28, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

It DOES look like a M1911, although it's a .45. Although more so a Browning HiPower. Just take a look at the hammer. User:Dolten 18:26, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

This is a Browning Hi-Power Pistol, and I know for a fact it is because I have one. - Texas Ranger 02:19, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Here is a picture to prove My Point.

For all we know they could very well have just made up a gun, isn't that exactly what they did for every other gun in the entire series? It may look like something real, but as per the rest of the series it probably isn't really a gun in real life.76.182.48.99 17:02, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the early Fallout games had weapons based on real-life weapons. It was Bethesda that just made up their weapons for Fallout 3. With the original Fallout game designers, I have no doubt that most of the weapons in the game will be based on real-life weapons. - Texas Ranger 23:08, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The M1911 could exist in the fallout universe as it did not diverge from our own until after WWII, so it is possibe that the 1911 will exist in game.
 * The M1911 could exist in the fallout universe as it did not diverge from our own until after WWII, so it is possibe that the 1911 will exist in game.

Why on Earth does the page say it's a 1911? It doesn't even look remotely like one except in the overall basic shape; but it could be any semi-automatic pistol if that's what you're going by.

The pistol is pretty much identical to the 9mm model of the Browning Hi-Power.

CaptFrost 10:56, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * The article has nothing regarding it being a 1911, read before complaining. - RASICTalk 11:05, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * It had a line about it being some type of 1911 pistol, but apparently that was removed about the same time I posted the above. Check history before reprimanding? CaptFrost 03:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It had a line about it being some type of 1911 pistol, but apparently that was removed about the same time I posted the above. Check history before reprimanding? CaptFrost 03:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It had a line about it being some type of 1911 pistol, but apparently that was removed about the same time I posted the above. Check history before reprimanding? CaptFrost 03:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

"No, the early Fallout games had weapons based on real-life weapons. It was Bethesda that just made up their weapons for Fallout 3. With the original Fallout game designers, I have no doubt that most of the weapons in the game will be based on real-life weapons." No, see, that's not quite true, sure, there were real life weapons in Fallout and Fallout 2, but there were made up weapons as well. The 10mm pistol, the Hunting Rifle, the Assault Rifle, the Sniper Rifle, and one of the combat shotguns were all made up. There's probably more that were made up for the games as well. Bethesda wasn't changing anything by designing their own weapons. And even so, they had real weapons too, albeit with different calibers, like a 10mm version of the Mauser C96 and a 5.56 version of the G3.--Resplendant Securitron 05:06, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Browning Hi-Power. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Browning_HP_%28Finnish%29_with_stock.jpg

9mm pistol http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101118235708/fallout/images/thumb/9/95/9mm_Pistol.png/800px-9mm_Pistol.png

Notice the similarities. Minus the stock and the rear sight (it's the Finnish version), it's pretty much a carbon copy. Now that that's taken care of, a message to CoD Fanboys and people who don't know much about 1911's and Hi-Powers: The Browning Hi-Power series follows the same general characteristics of the 1911's (not necessarily Colt), it can be considered as (in restriction to visual characteristics) a 1911 style pistol. Having that said, the common Hi-Power uses a 9x19mm round. Most 1911's and 1911 style pistols use either .45ACP or .40S&W (which is used by some 1911 style pistols as well)

For those who claim that the 9mm Pistol in New Vegas is a Colt 1911, they may be referring to the 1970's series Colt Combat Commando (a variant of the 1911's; some models did use 9x19mm ammunition). http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/Series_70_Combat_Commander_450.jpg Although this similarity proves a good argument, the Browning Hi-Power simply shows much greater similarity than the Colt. --Viper720666 01:29, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick question
How do we know that those are all of the mods for the gun? Cause I remember from a preview that you can have up to 3 mods on your weapon, but that their may be more than 3 mods for that weapon.Shadow 21:27, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

We don't. Those are all the known mods, is all. -- 21:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I know but it says under the picture in the gallery all possible mods, can you change it to say all known mods? Idk how I tried but couldn't find the text.Shadow 21:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Just because that the preview might have said a weapon CAN have 3 mods,doesnt necessary mean that it WILL have 3 mods,just saying.

Locked?
Why is this locked?

--DJ Idol 19:34, October 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the edit history - too many CoD fanboys can't tell the difference between a Hi-Power and an M1911. Parsecboy 22:35, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comparisons = No.
Seriously, who keeps making these comparisons to real-life guns? Unless the devs stated themselves it is based on the Browning Hi-Power, it's pure speculation. The statement of it being based off of the Browning Hi-Power should be removed.

IncompetentMinion 10:42, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone with a modicum of firearm knowledge can plainly see that the 9mm pistol is identical to a Hi-Power... Parsecboy 12:45, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Unless the devs stated themselves it is based on the Browning Hi-Power, it's pure speculation. IncompetentMinion 13:30, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

By that logic, so is just about everything else in the game. I doubt the devs are just going to accidentally make a gun that is a replica of the Hi-Power. Have they confirmed that super-mutants have skin? Nope, must be speculation. Therefore super-mutants don't have skin. --Dean42bean 13:34, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Did you even read what I said? They didn't say the gun was based on it. So unless sometime in the near future they do say it is based on it, it's just speculation. This doesn't apply to every single thing in the damn game, you fool. IncompetentMinion 18:44, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * ^This is win. 18:47, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

So why the hell does it only apply to one thing in the game then? Why do you need the devs confirmation to prove one thing when so many others can just as easily be proven without developer confirmation? --Dean42bean 19:22, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well see, they could easily come out and say it's not an HP, but rather, an M1911A2 (I know they don't fucking exist) or some shit. 19:25, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

But they haven't said that, have they? If Obsidian have somebody in their ranks that, without ever seeing one, designed a Hi-Power I would eat my hat. It is practically a certainty that it is based on the Browning Hi-Power, it can't be a coincidence that a 9mm pistol, fairly popular in the post-war period looks exactly like a Browning Hi-Power. --Dean42bean 19:54, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * It shares its general shape with many other handguns of the time. Find where any of the devs/in-game records say it's based on the HP, then you may add that into the article. 19:57, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't "share its general shape with many other handguns" - it's exactly identical to a Hi-Power. Do your eyes work? Parsecboy 14:00, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

The rule is, no real-world weapon comparisons. This is not a matter up for discussion. -- 20:17, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

...Then why hasn't the comparison been removed yet? IncompetentMinion 13:49, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Read through the edit history. It gets removed every other day. Removed again.--Gothemasticator 14:24, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Listen, those of us who know that the 9mm Pistol is based on the Browning Hi-Power and etc., are never going to win this. Sure, it's based on a real-life gun, but they will never admit it (they probally never saw a gun except for Call of Duty), and their more stuborn than a damn pack mule. They made the rule "No comparisons to real life weapons" because they could not tell what these guns were because they didn't see it in their crappy Call of Duty games. And by the way, don't come bitch at me for offending you. Thanks. - Texas Ranger 22:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Look, anyone with half a brain can tell you it looks the way it does because this is Fallout, an alternate timeline! I'm sure that by 2077, the designs of the 1911 or the HiPower changed and gave birth to the gun that you see before you. -Malus X 19:48, November 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no change in design - it's identical to the standard Hi-Power. And drop the 1911, it's only similar in appearance in that it is a semi-automatic pistol. There's no beaver-tail safety, the slide is completely different, and there are a number of other significant differences. Parsecboy 17:24, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Damage
Yes, the gun is pretty, but I have an actual question here. Is the damage stat per shot for this correct? I swear in my game (Xbox360) a 50% condition 10mm deals more damage than a 100% condition 9mm. Wiki says 10mm is 15 per, and 9mm is 16 per. --24.155.188.162 17:24, October 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm with you on this, as well as for Maria's damage. Both are high compared to what they say in-game. Shinyd00meyes 03:25, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

DELETED.
Seriously, read the goddamn editing guidelines and stop saying "OMG IS BRWNNG HPOWR!111!!" I had to remove it YET AGAIN. IncompetentMinion 13:54, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok... I don't see that anywhere in the Editing Guidline and while it may be true that the developers haven't said that it's a Browning Hi-Power anyone with eyes can see that it is. --Radloach 05:36, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

...probably a pure coincidence...
But earlier today I was playing Medal of Honor: Airborne, and I noticed the M1911's reload is very similar to that of the HP in NV. Skip to 1:00 for the M1911. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgpMJ6AZClQ&feature=related The similarity is particularly noticable when you have high agility so the reload goes faster. Skip to 1:02. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFbkgpHZs_A The primary difference is the angle at which the weapon is held. 01:35, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you know what a semi-automatic pistol is? Parsecboy 03:09, December 23, 2010 (UTC)