Forum:What's with all the homosexuality?

From playing through the game for hours and reading the different outcomes with some of the companions I was surprised just how "gay" this game is. As a male character I cannot hit on Cass successfully without her being all defensive but I have the option of sounding like a Legion butt pirate. Arcade Gannon is ousted as a homosexual if you have the "Confirmed Bachelor" perk. Veronica was apparently in love with a chick back at her old brotherhood compound, the dude at the Mohave station where you have to get a pardon for that imprisoned powder ganger dude (is gay), and that Cpl. Betsy over at Camp McCarran whose into, "Tall blondes" whom she can "Jump their pants" (she was butt raped by a fiend).

Now it's not that I have anything against homosexuality but I've experienced no opportunities where I could pursue a deeper conversation with any of the games chicks. Some men might find Cass's sharp tongue very appealing. A wondering courier needs some pun to ya'know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.124.154.84 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~ !

Just to throw another one into the mix, if you talk with the Legate, it will come up that he is homosexual too. For me, the gay thing doesn't really interfere with the experience. If you want to get your character laid, then go to the Thorn, do Bleed Me Dry, and get your freak on.--76.231.200.143 08:32, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, and it's something I wondered myself. It's like the game itself screaming "HEY GAY COMMUNITY, LOOK AT ME! I'M REPRESENTING YOU!". Now I'm aware there's at least one gay staff member at Obsidian who worked on this project, but it seems like the incidence of homosexual characters per capita is too high, much higher than in real life. It seems more like pandering than proper representation. -- 10:04, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say so - most characters are still very much heterosexual, even if they don't respond to the Courier's relevant perks. There are as many of those that do respond to perks as for their heterosexual counterparts simply in order to balance out the perks gameplay-wise. However, if you look at the general population of the Mojave Wasteland, most people are definitely straight. Ausir(talk) 10:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the ratio is about right, and reflective of modern society. This does raise a few interesting questions though, would the crumbling (and to a lesser extent, rebuilding) of society have broken down a few of the barriers that cause 'in the closet' folks to hide it? --Johnny Trash (Talk) 11:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think when nuclear war has obliterated almost all infrastructure in the world, it's obvious that 'teh gayz' aren't your real enemies. As a gay man myself, it's nice to play a game where our existence isn't completely denied. Because of society's attitude to non-heterosexuality, people notice when a character is LGBT - it's still a bit of a surprise and it sticks out like a sore thumb, not only in video games but in other forms of media. But inversely, imagine playing a game intended for adults with male and female characters and no reference to any sort of sexual interaction at all. Wouldn't it feel a bit lacking, a bit like you as a player were being ignored? Well that's what it feels like for LGBT people all the time. You aren't forced as a player to explore the LGBT issues in FNV, and that's fair enough, but it's nice for them to be there. A lack of characters of different ethnicities or of women would seem very odd, especially in our current day and age in which equal representation is expected of any forward-thinking game developer like Obsidian who know their audience, young people, who are always the vanguard of social liberalisation. Moreover, I think that representing the personality traits that make characters distinct, 'the spice of life' if you will, fleshes out both the individual characters and the wasteland as a whole. For example in FO3 upon discovery that Flak and Shrapnel shared not only a room but a bed, my own and perhaps your perceptions of the characters changed to a great degree, understanding them as people with a bit of emotional pathos, people who actually had feelings, a relationship, perhaps one which shaped their rather brash personalities instead of merely as cardboard cutouts of rough-and-ready armorers. Sorry for the essay; it's something which I relate to as an individual but which I think also contributes to the character development which I feel Obsidian have done pretty well with, as did Bethesda in the previous game. (unlike, say, fixing physics bugs). 90.194.162.200 12:52, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Its Vegas what happens in vegas stays in vegas.


 * I think that ones perception of the incidence of homosexuality is largely based on where one lives. I grew up in the bible belt, and did not meet a single openly gay person. However, when I moved to California to go to college.... man, what a culture shock! I would say a good 10% of the people I know here are openly gay.

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As has been suggested before, impress Red Lucy by killing countless beasties and bringing back their eggs, and she'll sleep with you whenever you like. She's more interesting than Cass and Veronica put together, in my opinion. Im fact, if I can ever get the damn GECK working I intend to see about making Lucy a companion character as part of my mod idea to add some unique variants of items that didn't get uniques this time around. Schneidend 22:29, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I've been wondering, where can you use Lady Killer? I always get Lady Killer and Confirmed Bachelor perks at level 2 and 3 and have found quite a few Confirmed Bachelor options (Sgt.Knight, Manny Vargas, can't remember the others) but haven't actually found any ones for Lady Killer. Can someone tell me the Lady Killer options? --Silent.Killa78 11:39, October 31, 2010 (UTC)