Talk:Mr. Bishop

Bruce Isaac said Mr.Bishop was different from other crime bosses and that he knew the wasteland. The inference is that the Mr.Bishop contemporary to New Vegas is the Chosen One's son.--OvaltinePatrol 23:12, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be cool...
It'd be pretty sweet if he made an appearance in F:NV. He won't though. Given that he's the son of the chosen one and the great grandson of the Vault Dweller it'd be nice if he/his son/daughter was a protagonist of a future fallout game, stand-alone expansion, or at least a spinoff...It'd be better than that fallout jrpg.--Ze5ro1 01:31, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

(it won't happen though)

Wrights (vs Van Graffs) and Mr. Bishop
According to Etinne from Westside, it were Wrights who wrestled control of New Reno after conflict with Mordinos, but they are now in conflict with Van Graffs. Bruce Isaac who mentions this Mr. Bishop doesn't say that he is in control of New Reno. We don't know what this Mr. Bisho's relation is to the Bishops of Fallout 2, but all this doesn't suggest that he would be the child that Chosen One can sire.-- VonVince 11:51, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's pretty clear from the dialogue with Bruce Isaac that he is meant to be the son of the Chosen One. It's a clear reference to one of the possible endings. It looks like both the Bishops and the Wrights have a strong position in New Reno, probably having eliminated the other two families. Also, according to FO2 ending, Bishop took control over New Reno when he was 13, which was in 2255. The Wrights could have taken over after that, while Bishop's position is still fairly strong. Ausir(talk) 19:02, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way, the name space should not have been moved to (Fallout: New Vegas) User avatar tag.gif Avatar talk.png 07:23, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

"according to FO2 ending, Bishop took control over New Reno when he was 13" Yes. I listened to audio files of the ending without subtitles, and, well, thirteen/thirty - the close proximity of the way the figures sound caused me to make a mistake at that. "The Wrights could have taken over after that, while Bishop's position is still fairly strong." Clayton Etienne says how it was first the Wrights and Mordinos, and now Wrights and with Van Graffs trying to take a piece of the cake. All that said, it is possible that Mr. Bishop would be the child of the Chosen One, but it would mean that Wrights futures are being combined with that of the Bishop Child ending. -- VonVince 18:35, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It most likely has been combined, yes. Just because the Wrights are in control as of 2281 and before that it was the Mordinos, it doesn't mean that Bishops couldn't have been in charge in 2255. I reverted it back to my version - for me, it's obvious that a Mr. Bishop who knows the Wastes like the back of his hand is a reference to the FO2 ending, and not a coincidence. He might not be "in control" of New Reno, but he is still a powerful man, given Bruce Isaac's dialogue. Ausir(talk) 19:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Look, I know you are a reasonable fellow and you obviously are a huge fan of Fallout (I'm too). I don't think we can assert that Mr. Bishop would be the child of the Chosen One to extent it is done in your version - and I'm not saying this because I would be having some petty edit war grudge with you; not at all. It's not that I wouldn't to large extend agree with you; this is a wiki for Fallout series, but keeping it balanced it good for for the outlook. --VonVince 20:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I do think that the reference is clear enough to conclude that it's the same character as the one mentioned in the FO2 ending. I don't really see how this could NOT be a reference, given Isaac's remark about Bishop's knowledge of the wastes mirroring a similar statement in the ending. Ausir(talk) 08:02, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Given that Chris Avellone, New Reno's father, mother and foster parent, worked on New Vegas, arguing that Isaac's story is not a confirmation of a canon ending is being stubborn, not reasonable or balanced. Furthermore, there's nothing in said confirmation precluding Wrights from dominating New Reno - only in the SAD ending do they violently eliminate other families, while the Bishop family under Chosen One's child is never said, not once, to conquer the entire New Reno. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 08:52, March 29, 2011 (UTC)