Forum:Moderator Request-TwoBearsHigh-Fiving

Hello! I'm TwoBearsHigh-Fiving, also know as Ryan, or as my co-workers like to call me, Fryin' Ryan (a joke that comes from a colorful apron I wear to work). Today I have decided to apply for moderatorship. I will try to make my application as brief as I possiby can so as to not waste your valuable time!

Why?
Ahh, the why of it? 'Tis a good question, no? Well, the main reason that I am going to be applying for this is for the instant power to undo edits. A fair majority of my edits come from undoing bad edits. It becomes quite tedious to undo edits while going through the edit screen everytime. I would also love to work with the chat, I am not a big talker on there, I will not lie and say I am, but if I am granted this status, I will make sure that no trollers or negative nancys will be running the chat on my watch.

Now, why do you want me?
Why would you want me, TwoBears, to become a moderator? If you asked me, I would tell you that I'm honest, and I like to do good work on here. Another plus that would come to having me as a moderator is because I live in the United States. I have noticed that many moderators and administrators live in Europe and abroad. I find myself on at times when authority is not present. I feel this will greatly benefit the wikia to have someone with authority present in this time-zone.

What have I done to deserve this?!
There a couple contributions that I have made on here that I think will make a good example of why I may deserve this:

1. Under the guidance of Jspoelstra, I underwent the extremely long and tedious task of going through the articles of the Boulder City Memorial and removed the Human:Characters category from all of the unknown veterans. This is because the NCR recruited both ghoul and humans. As you could imagine, this took quite awhile.

2. I went through many of the NPC's with the affiliation titled 'himself' and changed that incorrect affiliation to 'none' As you can also imagine, this took quite a bit as well. I am partway done with the 'Herselfs'. I can expect to finish this soon.

3. I have reverted a good many of bad edits. I am also non-discriminating. Just because I see an anon edit does not mean I automatically undo it, I really look at it to decide its validity.

Closing time
Well, that's all I have for you, I really hope you read through this and decide if you feel I am worthy or not for this great position. If not, well, there still is much work I can offer to this site. Thanks, 18:16, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Voting

 * Yes Your post count is close to the line... but you've talked me into a yes vote. Agent c 22:16, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Alright then, it seems like you're doing some good work here. Jol87 22:27, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I have never seen you before. --[[File:Valoopy_sig.jpg]] ☢Valoopy☣ 22:30, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I've never seen you much on chat, nor do we need anymore moderators. Pat  Gif_dancinggir_test.gif for GIR? ;3 22:37, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No You're making great progress, don't get me wrong, but I feel that you haven't made much of an impact on the Wiki, and is lacking some in experience. For example, one of your motivations are that with these new tools you wouldn't have to navigate through the revert window every time you revert. Thing is that rollback is to be used very sparingly, only if you need to revert multiple bad edits in a row. You should still, as much as possible, add a reason for reverts, which cannot be done when an edit is rollbacked. I also don't think that you've made an impact on the community, as I don't see you being part of community discussions, or participating in chat. Keep working and you'll make it sooner or later, I just think you're a tad too inexperienced as it is. Hugs [[file:MadeMan2.png|20px|link=User:Scarface11235]] "Say 'ello to my little friend!"
 * No Though you have certainly hit the editorial requirements for such a position, you have not been active enough in the community; either the blog posts or Vault Chat. Due to this you would be ill suited for a moderator position. Gothic Neko :3 talk 22:38, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Personally, I don't place much faith in raw edit counts, unless there is some way to subtract out reverted/undone changes. I've watched TwoBears for a while and our paths have crossed a few times. I see he produces quality work, save for the very rare "un-do a vandal undo", about which we both had a good laugh. As I've previously mentioned, I don't use Chat but, as a rollbacker and patroller on serveral wikis, I know how much time and trouble can be saved by having those user rights (and, frankly, I wish they were granted separately from the ChatMod rights). I don't believe he'll misuse the tools given him, so I say aye. &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 22:41, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No Sorry. Not enough edits, you're not really a chat regular either. 22:49, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I have never really spoken to you or seen you in chat to warrent you being a chat mod. If you appeared more regularly (and I understand this isn't an option for some people) then my vote would be different. However, considering the above, I must decline "Even In Death May You Be Triumphant" 23:25, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No Though I understand you only want Mod status to revert bad edits, being a Chat Moderator requires some significant time in the Chat room. Even so, keep up the good work and come talk to the other users every so often. Hopefully by then you will qualify for the job. [[file:CaesarLegionSymbol.png|20px|link=User talk:OctaviusoftheNorth]] Pony of the East  [[file:CaesarLegionSymbol.png|20px|link=User talk:OctaviusoftheNorth]]  01:02, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Considering Porter's comment regarding chat moderator status and the cessation of rollback requests, I am no longer voting no, because I understand that to be a moderator is not focused around the live chat. However, I still have not seen enough activity from you in my time here to vote yes, so I am choosing to abstain. Yes Man default.pngUser Avatar talk.png
 * No sorry but i hardly see you on the vault. Aaaaa.jpg Netherealm awaits for you 12:57, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * No Not yet I'm afraid. You meet the requirements by the skin of your teeth (exactly 500 main space edits when you asked Avatar for advice for applying). I like a bigger margin. And you've created some projects for yourself (one mentioning me), but I'd like to see you take on some bigger challenges. Not enough credit at this stage. Jspoel [[file:Speech Jspoel.png|10px|link=User talk:Jspoelstra]] 15:59, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that you're a "bad applicant" for this position, but I do believe that there are others that are slightly more suitable for this position than yourself. Sorry, maybe next time. Butterfly Signature.png ButterflyKiss 3AussieButterfly.png
 * No Richie9999 02:57, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No GarouxBloodline You have done great work from the little I've seen from you. But... notice the little I've seen from you part. Keep improving and I'm sure you will have the future respect of many.

Comments

 * @bubba He's applying for CHAT MOD, what are you on? Pat  Gif_dancinggir_test.gif for GIR? ;3


 * @Pat I don't believe that's the complete story. Quoting from VA:ADMIN:


 * "Moderator powers are rolling back edits with just one click, banning users from chat and marking edits as patrolled."


 * I believe that means that, in The Vault, the Moderator user role includes the standard MediaWiki userrights of Rollbacker and Patroller, in addition to the Wikia ChatMod privilege.


 * Someone please correct me if I've read the page wrong. Thanks! &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 22:55, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * You read that wrong. He still should be in chat, it's the main power he has for a moderator. Pat  Gif_dancinggir_test.gif for GIR? ;3


 * Really? I don't understand why you're discounting the rolling back edits with just one click and marking edits as patrolled part of the VA:ADMIN doc. Those rights are extremely useful for a recent-changes or anti-vandal patroller.


 * Sorry to disagree with you, but I think I read it right. &mdash; UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 23:06, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

"Well, the main reason that I am going to be applying for this is for the instant power to undo edits. A fair majority of my edits come from undoing bad edits. It becomes quite tedious to undo edits while going through the edit screen everytime." This is what made me decide. Rollback is really only intended to be used when reverting a mass of bad edits in a row, which mostly occurs with vandalism. You would still need to go through the "tedious" process of revertion as when rollbacking you will have no ability to explain the revertion through the edit summary, something vitally important, as there will be no ability to dispute the revert, which interferes with the Wikia "transparency". Hugs <font color= "Purple"> "Say 'ello to my little friend!"


 * ...and I respect your opinion on that--you explained it well.


 * I was responding to someone who implied I was high because I see the rollbacker/patroller user rights as distinct from ChatMod. I find it quite plausible that there are active users of The Vault who never enter the chat rooms, and vice-versa.


 * If I held Moderator status, I would occasionally use the rollbacker and patroller rights but would probably never exercise the ChatMod privilege, because real-time chat just isn't something I do very often. &mdash; Uncl</b>eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 23:38, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's why he should appeal for rollback status, so that he still has access to rollback if he ever needs it but he doesn't have the unnecessary chat moderator status (if he won't be using it) Yes Man default.pngUser Avatar talk.png


 * Didn't know the rollbacker right was given out by itself. VA:ADMIN seems to say it isn't but, hey, docs have been wrong before! (Sigh...) &mdash; Uncl</b>eBubba</b> ( T @ C ) 08:57, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought separate rollback rights went away with the introduction of the new moderator post... Agent c 09:30, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

The whole "moderator" concept is fairly new and still a bit "rough around the edges". In addition, it seems the name (and its similarity to "chat moderator") leads people to believe that the chat mod privileges are central to this "rank", which is a point of view I don't share. This is a wiki, and while I understand that chat is popular, it's still the articles and article-related work which are central to the site. As such, I wouldn't regard regular chat activity as a requirement for either the moderator or admin ranks (and it doesn't say so in the formal requirements either). Naturally, since the "moderator" rank does include chat mod rights, an evaluation of whether the user could be entrusted with these rights is appropriate (i.e. whether he/she behaves himself in chat), but it's not the central criterium for granting the rank - the user's editing conduct is.

Votes like "I've never seen you much on chat, nor do we need anymore moderators" make me cringe a bit - are we to stop adding new rollback/patroller users just because we have enough chat mods? And yes, that is what votes like that equal to since currently we're no longer giving out rollback rights separately. -- Porter21 (talk) 09:35, October 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering this, I've chosen to change my vote to neutral. I was unaware that we no longer allowed rollback rights to be given out separately, and Porter has made me realise that we have chat moderators for a reason. However, I can't say yes because I haven't seen enough activity from TwoBearsHigh-Fiving in order to make a decision. Yes Man default.pngUser Avatar talk.png 05:13, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Result
After consideration and reading some of the comments, also due to the varied and mixed feedback given, the request has been declined. I'm sure if you continue to improve based on the feedback given, you'll do better if you choose to make another request in the future. User Avatar talk.png 21:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)