Forum:The Divide?

Me and my friend recently discovered talk about a place called the Divide. As most who've discovered the Canyon Wreckage have seen the spray painted messages and one of them mentions the Divide. Me and my friend took immediate interest in it and tried to find more information on the place. We noticed Johnson Nash mentions it when talking about the original courier who was suppose to deliver the Platinum Chip and said this "Courier 5" canceled then goes on to say "I hope a storm from the Divide skins him alive". We also found Rose Of Sharon Cassidy speaks of the Divide when asked about how she knows how to handle dynamite she says "Some of the twisters out of the Divide can block off a pass in no time so you learn how to handle powder so you don't get trapped somewhere". We believe that the Divide could be a possible future DLC quest involving this mysterious "Courier 5" given the fact the Divide is written close to the other odd messages. We think that maybe the Divide is located in the mid-west area known as "Tornado Valley" due to the talk of storms and twisters. Though we are unsure of that as there is not a lot of info that we can find on this place. If you've seen or heard anything more about this place other than what we've found, please post it here as we are quite interested in this place. Abyssxvii 11:32, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wasn't the Divide confirmed to be the Grand Canyon in the game? Ausir(talk) 11:39, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * But one of Caesar's Legion (Maybe Vulpes, I forget) talked about the Grand Canyon plainly (when talking about the Burned Man). The Divide is a specific area of the canyon? DannyShotgun 18:38, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Now i havent played the game yet, But from what ive heard the Grand canyon isnt in the Actual Map , though it is mentioned , And i think that it probably is Very good DLC material , such as Perhaps : you hear Rumours(hows that spelled? i always get that wrong) About Strange things Happening and then as you near the place you come across a town that tells you of strange Noises and echo's Heard from the Canyon , and some of the people Believe it is something supernatural , but most just think its Animals and such , But you can choose to enter the Canyon and find out what the Noises are , And ... well this is where i have a Multitude of ideas , but my Favourite idea is That when you enter the Canyon you fight Hordes of Young Deathclaws Until you Arrive at a small Village filled With Intelligent Deathclaws Who can Speak and Reason , and you learn of their war with Another group of Tribal Humans Who found Strange Devices that can enslave the Minds of Deathclaws and make them do the bidding of the Humans (Mind control devices) , and then you can either side with the Deathclaw Tribe and help free their Brethren from the human Clutches and drive the humans farther back , OR you can Help the Humans Form a plan to either Slaughter the Remaining Deathclaws or Sacrifice some men to enslave them all , Now either Outcome of the Quest you should be able to get a Deathclaw Companion , if you help the Deathclaws he willingly Joins you But has a different stat setup and you get extra discounts with the tribe and a home there as well as a special deathclaw Horn weapon that does LOADS of Damage , but if you help the humans you get the same follower but with a Higher Perception and Implants for strength But no Horn Weapon ... So what do you think of that idea ?
 * The only thing in the Divide are C.H.U.D.S. Led by the Burned Man.

Abyssxvii: i also found that there are two Backwards six's written with the other messages at the canyon wreckage one at the end of "courier six?" and one in half of a bus near the location. While the "Grand canyon" would make sense for the word divide i dont think that its it due to the Canyon wreckage is on the west of the map going towards California unless its say something along the lines of turn back now. i also have a theory that the courier may have a connection with the Bishop family of New Reno (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bishop_Family) in the north end of Nevada this theory comes from a disscusion with :Bruce Isaac: as the courier can say "didnt i see you preform at the sharks club in new reno" (i apologize if this statement is not accurate cause im doing it from memory)

Or he got in because if a Tribal in leather armor can get in, I'm sure any ol' Waster can too. User: MoonshadowDark

Excuse me for changing subject but can someone explain to me what "C.H.U.D.S." are?--Radiated Raider 00:11, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers.

The Divide- A Battle Beetween two couriers - Mentions Of the Big Empty in the DLC Dead Money.

The Divide is another foreshadowing of future DLC, just like Edler Elijah [Dead Money] & the Burned Man. Captain Taipan 22:52, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

This burned man doesnt really sound like good DLC Material to me, but thats only my opinion ... not that it matters or anything im still gonna get shouted at , Hmph..

Well the Burning Man could be in The Divide if it is the Grand Canyon.

I'm not so sure that the Grand Canyon is The Divide. After seeing one of Dog's epilogues, where he mentions the battle of the two couriers in "The Great Divide", I ran that name past one of my friends and told me there is a place near the Sierra Madre Range called the "Great Divide Basin" which is mostly made up of sand dunes and is mostly a desolate place. There's also the Interstate 80 that runs through up towards Reno and has been know to be an empty road so that could be this "Lonesome Road". Who knows? I'm probably wrong but it makes sense given the descriptions we've been given correlate to the locations. And I agree on some level with you, I'm not really interested in seeing a DLC surrounded on Joshua. I've gotten hooked on this Divide business. Thedarkscythe 10:59, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

The pages were merged because someone stated that it's said in the game that Joshua Graham was thrown into the Divide and that he was thrown into the Great Canyon. Is it actually stated anywhere? I can't really remember now. Does anyone remember all the characters that mention Graham? Ausir(talk) 12:12, December 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe Lucius is the only one who talks about Graham in depth. Then again, I haven't talked Caesar's ear off yet so I'm not sure if he, or the Legate for that matter, speak of him in detail as well. Vulpes is another I remember talking about Graham. I would check myself but it's currently 7am where I am and I haven't slept yet. Thedarkscythe 12:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I checked all the dialogue about Graham that I could find and there's no mention of the Grand Canyon being the Divide there. Ausir(talk) 03:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

I believe that the Divide is the area which has all those storms and twisters that seperates West from Midwest from what Johnson Nash says about the previous courier who was suppose to make the delivery "first dead beat we hired cancelled the contract, hope a storm from the Divide skins him alive" so that could possibly what the Divide is. GodVsSanta 22:58, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I could have sworn that Johnson Nash says something about courier number five seeing your name next in line a bailed from the job saying that he wished courier number 6 "the best of luck" or something like that and alot of people are also theorizing the courier Dog mentions in his ending in Dead Money is Ulysses.Evidence of this is Ulysses was originally a courier and that Dog also mentions that "he soon heard that two couriers fought under the old world flag and wished the courier would be saved like he saved the new voice" or something like that i'm paraphrasing of course.Scrubsfan06 19:00, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Scrubsfan06 but i am quoting exactly from the game, why else would i put "quotation marks in" and im not disputing what Dog says in Dead Money, all i'm doing is stating what i think the Divide is from what i have heard in the game. so maybe next time you try to dispute what people say get you're facts right first. GodVsSanta 21:24, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry i don't post much, but i was agreeing with you about the Divide and actually i was just saying the courier you mentioned in the divide was Ulysses the canceled companion because it is said that he will return in future dlc. Thats all sorry again for any miss understandings.Scrubsfan06 00:57, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry i didn't realise, it sounded like you were just trying to start an arguement like most people on these forums. Really sorry mate. GodVsSanta 10:22, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

The Divide is not a fictional place. It is one of the many locations in the Fallout world that are actually based on real-life areas. In New Vegas, it is either referring to the Great Basin (which is also referred to as a Divide) and the actual 'Great Divide'. Both of these are in the Southwest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Divide_of_the_Americas Trizzip 02:40, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Both The divide and the courier are also mentioned on the recent Dead money DLC for New Vegas, I won't go into details as i don't want to spoil the story for anyone, but we'll probably ear some more from both in a near future.h3adjunk 02:45, March 1, 2011 (GMT)

___________________________ I'd just like to point out that "The Divide" should not refer to the Grand Canyon. I see how some may think so, seeing as the Grand Canyon is a sort of division among lands, but I am sure that "The Divide" refers to the actual Great Divide. In other words, the Rocky Mountains and it's surrounding areas.

Considering that there is talk about huge, skin peeling storms, I would assume that "The Divide" and it's storms also refer to Tornado Valley, which is located directly East of the actual divide. Maybe from the present day great divide, to the end of present day Tornado Valley, is the in-game divide. That would be a huge, and I mean huge, separation, or DIVISION, of the country. But who knows, the developers may not make it as amazing sounding as I just did......:P


 * What makes you think that after 200 years people will still be using pre-War geographical names? The Divide is most likely the Grand Canyon, not only because it's an actual divide, but also because of the Legion denarius, whose reverse includes a rendition of Caesar, Calhoun and Graham on their expedition to the Grand Canyon, with the words "MAgnum Chasma" (Great Divide in pig latin) encircling it. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/0/08/Personal_Sig_Image.gif Tagaziel (call!) 09:46, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

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Hard to say, after nuclear war might have some effect on the weather. Also notice that the sky on the west coast never really gets clear, it's always grey or brown and overcast - not like the DC area where you can see blue sky.75.67.224.12 08:04, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

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The Divide is a location located in the vicinity of Death Valley which may be Tornado Valley. I'm going to clear this up now, the Divide is not the Grand Canyon as the Divide is a man made area. Supposedly a research area called Big MT was experimenting with weather patterns there which ended in catastrophe AFTER the Great War as it is stated that entire companies of NCR troops were torn apart and cutting off supply lines along Death Valley Road and the Carson Pass Highway, granting Caesar's Legion time to recover after their loss in the First Battle of Hoover Dam. The catastrophe caused a massive rip in the earths crust creating a 'Divide'. The fact that the Big MT was experimenting with weather patterns most likely explains why there are said to be storms there. The Divide is partially inhabited and contains undetonated warheads. It is set to appear in Lonesome Road DLC where the two couriers (Ulysses and the player character) battle beneath the Old World flag.